[04:40] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:44] <Bashing-om> Hiya lotuspsychje :) .. Good help has arrived .
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om cuppa coffee and going to throw in
[04:46] <Bashing-om> We keep the lid in .. Most has now settled out .
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows where dax hides these days? or did he change nick again
[04:49] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Ouch ! I had not noted the dax absence . shame on me .
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> morning OerHeks
[06:11] <OerHeks> hello lotuspsychje
[06:27] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje OerHeks
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[06:28] <EriC^^> where is TJ- btw?
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> didnt see him for long time
[06:29] <EriC^^> how come?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> think someone said he got some work now
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> not sure of the details
[06:30] <OerHeks> guys, centos server on vmware, hurry hurry dali dali
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> hurry what?
[06:43] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: ah ok
[07:08] <ducasse> morning all
[07:10] <Bashing-om> See ducasse :) We kept it for ya .
[07:14] <ducasse> hey Bashing-om - still hanging on? looks quiet atm...
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[07:15] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[07:16] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Uh huh .. too quiet to hold my attention . Goig to do that sleep thing .
[07:17] <ducasse> Bashing-om: you do that, it's usually quiet for a couple more hours
[07:19] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: work today?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: day off :p
[07:19] <ducasse> nice :)
[07:19] <Bashing-om> Night nite all .. see yall on my flip .
[07:19] <ducasse> nigh!
[07:20] <ducasse> *night!
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: still got that ip i joined with the other day?
[07:47] <ducasse> give me a sec...
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> sure
[07:48] <ducasse> 80.200.254.174
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[07:49] <ducasse> np :)
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> gonna nmap it, curious what service are running
[07:51] <ducasse> hehe, work ip?
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> yep they run cyberaom firewall
[08:18] <OerHeks> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/02/28/canonical-wins-orange-award-for-converged-computing-at-mwc-17/
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> oh
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/mwc-2017-dell-s-new-edge-gateway-3000-series-are-powered-by-ubuntu-core-16-513377.shtml
[09:00] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: how
[09:00] <EriC^^> how's the shop coming together? any prospects for the pc brand?
[10:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:30] <EriC^^> morning lordievader
[10:30] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^, how are you?
[10:30] <EriC^^> o/
[10:31] <EriC^^> good thanks! you?
[10:52] <lordievader> Doing good here too, updated my blog finally ;)
[10:52] <EriC^^> great!
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[19:44] <ducasse> BluesKaj: are these two-three (noisy) guys regulars, or just drop-ins?
[19:45] <BluesKaj> who stoned ? he's all over the place
[19:45] <ducasse> intense, scottjl primarily
[19:46] <ducasse> 20:41 <intense> sudo rm -rf / && apt-get install ramdoubler
[19:47] <BluesKaj> scottiji , not sure about him
[20:55] <nicomachus> hey, I finally got ncmpcpp to work
[20:56] <nicomachus> ducasse: anyone saying rm -rf should be !ops'd
[20:56] <nicomachus> also, there's !danger
[20:56] <nicomachus> just in case
[20:56] <nicomachus> !danger
[21:38] <ducasse> nicomachus: iirc, the context was that two or three semi-trolls were ranting to each other, it wasn't an answer to someone asking a question. if it was i would have !ops'ed them.
[21:38] <ducasse> now - sleepytime.
[21:39] <daftykins> nn :>
[21:49] <nicomachus> hmmmm.... do I have to source the ncmpcpp file or something to get it to affect the changes?
[21:49] <nicomachus> oh wait, I'm an idiot
[21:54] <nicomachus> it really helps if you remember to uncomment the lines you change in a config file, you know?
[21:55] <daftykins> :D i write personal notes in
[21:55] <daftykins> # lul future dafty this will never work, stop kidding yourself
[22:00] <nicomachus> lol
[22:00] <nicomachus> I just had to change the atrocious stock colors that ncmpcpp comes with.
[22:00] <nicomachus> much better now.
[22:01] <daftykins> i don't even have a clue what that is? :)
[22:01] <nicomachus> ncurses music player.
[22:01] <daftykins> ah i do spy mpc in there now ;D
[22:01] <Bashing-om> Me,in my early days I learned the value of dicumentation in any file I change . who, what - when - where and WHY > I have a real short memory ( and I keep a change log file ) .
[22:01] <nicomachus> https://i.imgur.com/SROSJH2.jpg
[22:01] <nacc> i always put my nick and keep the old line in comments
[22:01] <nacc> ideally with a brief why :)
[22:02] <daftykins> i'm gonna try and play with a Cisco IP phone, Linksys voice gateway for my landline service and the FreePBX distro soon :>
[22:02] <daftykins> nacc: :D
[22:02] <nacc> i really wish we extended conffiles to include the ones installed by package runtimes
[22:02] <nacc> then you'd see what might break due to your local config on every update
[22:04] <daftykins> it'd be pretty neat, definitely when commands and functions change through deprecation too...
[22:06] <nacc> yeah, what we have now doesn't feel very desktop-friendly
[22:06] <nacc> or multi-user, maybe, more accurately
[22:07] <nacc> really helps root / system-wide config
[22:07] <nacc> but then again, i wonder how desktop infra specific the config file stuff is too
[22:07] <nacc> i would hope it's not, and everyone is now using .config or .local or whatever
[22:08] <daftykins> i think the whole GNU/Linux thing of having software that doesn't always have configs accessible via a GUI tool goes a long way to new user problems
[22:08] <nicomachus> si
[22:09] <nacc> daftykins: absolutely -- it's not self-documenting at all
[22:10] <daftykins> the fact that so much screws up even from using the GUI software updater, that us with experience prefer to use the CLI every time... pretty telling too
[22:10] <nacc> yes, i have a longstanding bug to fix in php land because the GUI updaters don't trigger something with debconf (sometimes) and upgrades fail
[22:11] <nacc> then work fine from terminal with apt
[22:11] <daftykins> :S
[22:17] <nacc> yeah, super annoying -- and debconf spits out random perl messages :)
[22:18] <daftykins> D:
[22:18] <daftykins> my basic installer bug got ignored for 4+ years, i got to see how good FOSS was that time
[22:19] <nacc> daftykins: was that the one i looked at a while back?
[22:19] <daftykins> could be yeah, Guernsey and Jersey getting US keyboard layout by default
[22:19] <daftykins> think it just ended up getting fixed in upstream instead
[22:20] <nacc> daftykins: yeah it's a tough balance
[22:20] <nacc> and i will admit the whole desktop side is scary to me
[22:20] <nacc> as the chance of regression is so much higher
[22:20] <nacc> because X is so fragile :)
[22:20] <nacc> X + ever DE out there
[22:49] <nicomachus> whoa, who does PMs through DCC instead of /query?
[22:50] <nicomachus> or does it always give that status update and I just never noticed?
[22:50] <nicomachus> 16:44 DCC CHAT from  [172.20.10.2 port 57689]
[22:50] <daftykins> i've only ever seen helpees demanding answers / trolling you try DCC chats
[22:50] <nicomachus> he was just saying thanks for the link I sent him
[22:50] <nicomachus> which I sent in the channel... but oh well
[23:46] <nacc> Bashing-om: makes sense, they are a hardware company after all :)
[23:46] <nacc> (re: amdgpu only supporting newest cards well so far)
[23:46] <OerHeks> still, it should play hd video better than my old 5450
[23:47] <OerHeks> i even use wobbly windows :-D
[23:47] <daftykins> XD
[23:47] <OerHeks> but if this AMD 6870 is in a laptop ..
[23:48] <daftykins> the mobile chips are usually worse
[23:48] <nacc> OerHeks: :)
[23:50] <Bashing-om> nacc: I can see AMD's position . Putting their efforts in newer cards in this time of translation to open source support .
[23:50] <daftykins> yeah, you couldn't go back to an old architecture (series of cards + chips) this late in the day
[23:51] <nacc> Bashing-om: yeah, it's just an unfortunate transition
[23:52] <nacc> hopefully by 18.04 it's a lot better
[23:54] <Bashing-om> We can hope for the trickle down effect in the case of older ATI cards . but do not hold the breath as there be compatibility issues . The carrot is still dangling for older ATI cards .
[23:54] <nacc> yep
[23:56] <Bashing-om> nacc: The list I tend to believe : http://theleftcoastgeek.net/index.php/categories/12-possible-amdgpu-pro-supported-gpus-by-the-end .
[23:57] <Bashing-om> nacc: QIII ^^ has been working close with AMD and our developers in testing and what not .
[23:57] <nacc> Bashing-om: nice