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* m0nkey_ waves02:38
* ball waves back02:40
daftykinsbed for me \o02:41
ballGoodnight daftykins02:44
ballWhat's a good channel for Linux beginners?  34 people have given me endorsements for Linux on LinkedIn and I feel I should probably learn it.02:51
m0nkey_Here :)02:59
ballI should have a think this evening about the things about Linux that I would like to learn.03:04
ballWhat does it use for software RAID?03:04
m0nkey_mdadm03:12
m0nkey_Things to look into if you're using Linux in a business environment: High Availability, Clustering, SELinux (a lot of PCI compliance things need this), Securing linux, etc.03:13
ballThanks. Those sound like helpful suggestions.03:13
* ball adds Grub to the list03:24
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:49
davmor2Morning all08:59
brobostigonmorning09:00
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Guest95749Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy St David's Day! 😃  🐲09:49
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davmor2JamesTait: man you were a guest you really need to sort out your irc mate09:52
davmor2JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBuwC4VJi50 One David that was a Saint :)09:52
JamesTaitYeah, not sure why it's not identifying me by client certificate. 😏09:58
davmor2JamesTait: it hates you, only explanation09:58
zmoylan-piyou can blame all bugs/glitches/flamingo ups for next few days on amazon cloud whoopsie :-)10:00
awilkinsDumb question : using ssh with ProxyCommand - the Hostname has a lookup at the remote end (through the proxycommand) but it only connects when I use the internal IP address of the remote machine, not it's internal DNS name11:14
awilkinsWhut11:14
awilkinsProxyCommand is executed on your jump host, so surely the dns name should work (since it works fine if you shell into the jump box and then execute the command manually)11:15
awilkinsApparently someone has invented a Ruby gem for it...11:21
awilkinsOk, redid the Ruby with shell scripts, jq, and the aws cli13:16
awilkinsTakes ages to connect though, I think because my local SSH client is looking up the domain name and failing13:16
awilkinsAdd a nonsense value to /etc/hosts and it works fine13:17
marshmnanyone else find that the 'settings' option in the Spotify client doesn't do anything?21:57
marshmnin fact, none of the options on that drop-down appear to work21:57
* zmoylan-pi loves a good ui that requires instructions to use...21:58
marshmnwell, it's not that it needs instructions - it just needs to work...21:58
marshmnseems to be a bit b0rked21:59
zmoylan-pior you're pressing the buttons wrong... #apple21:59
daftykinsstreaming just isn't for me, although i saw a news piece today claiming they'll offer a lossless quality stream so far - i simply don't and won't have data on a mobile device21:59
daftykinsmuch rather managing local files :)21:59
marshmnI wasn't asking about my choice in music services :)22:00
zmoylan-pii loved the recent announcement from form that they're going to do away with cd player in cars.  and replace it with streaming audio and _video_ options...22:00
zmoylan-pi*from ford that22:00
daftykinsmarshmn: i know that, but this is what we call a conversation, where someone doesn't have to reply with what you want - a fascinating thing!22:02
zmoylan-piout of curiosity, what browser are you using spotify in?22:03
daftykinszmoylan-pi: soon folk will die from hackers disabling their cars22:03
zmoylan-piwon't someone think of the citroens?!22:04
daftykinsoh, they do... and they shun them for their torsion bars22:07
zmoylan-pistill legends... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën_DS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën_2CV22:09
daftykinsthe latter is cut in half and in a restaurant bar here ;)22:11
zmoylan-pii saw a mint condition 2cv last year... looked so nice compared to modern safe boring models22:12
marshmnzmoylan-pi: I'm not using it in a browser - I'm using the Linux client22:18
marshmndaftykins: well, FWIW, I used to think that local files were the way to go; but then one day I tried Spotify and my life felt better :)22:19
zmoylan-piok, weirder that...22:19
daftykinsmarshmn: you probably don't listen mobile though? just relies on data services too much which isn't practical for me (most of my portable music listening would be cycling in the past)22:20
marshmndaftykins: I listen on mobile a lot22:21
marshmndaftykins: I have lots of albums synced onto my phone22:21
marshmnso download them on WiFi only, listen on the move without using data22:21
daftykinsyeah that's just not practical to my mind22:22
marshmnhow is it different to having files locally?22:22
daftykinsyou're tied to the service to obtain them - what if you're somewhere offline - and as i said mobile data is money so meh22:23
marshmnthey work offline22:23
daftykinsif it works for you, that's fine... but you can't claim it to work for everyone22:23
marshmnI can put my phone into airplane mode - they still work22:23
daftykinsyes but to obtain more, i can copy files offline fine - can't get more from spotify offline :)22:23
marshmnok...22:23
daftykinsi don't think you're really considering this objectively.22:24
marshmnI just never notice an issue22:24
daftykinsAlistair Dabbs summed it up well on his Reg review :>22:24
daftykinsThe Register, that is22:25
marshmnall I can say is that it has definitely made my life better22:25
marshmnI listen to more music now than I did before22:25
marshmnI find more new music now than I did before22:25
marshmnit's easier to use my favourite music than it was before22:25
zmoylan-pisome of the local phone operators in ireland offer spotify data for free on their plans22:25
marshmnit's literally made me happier22:25
daftykinsi can see how it'd help casual discovery, but i can only imagine you had a crap setup before then :)22:26
daftykinsmmm those strange approaches that harm net neutrality...22:26
zmoylan-pibut i totally want local music/audio book/podcast files *PLUS* fm radio22:26
marshmnI have local music22:26
daftykinsand with the new 3310 you can ;)22:27
marshmnSpotify downloads it to my phone22:27
marshmnyou don't need to be online22:27
zmoylan-pi32gb of local files...22:27
marshmnyou're all living in the past :)22:27
popeyhaha22:27
popeymarshmn: I'm with you22:27
popeyspotify all the way22:27
daftykinsno, you're failing to consider other use-cases22:28
marshmnhigh five22:28
diddledangoogle playdoh!22:28
popeydaftykins: you are the king of that, mr kettle.22:28
daftykinsmaybe at times22:28
marshmnI also don't need to spend time considering which albums to buy22:29
marshmnI pay my subscription and they are all there22:29
daftykinsbut then at least i have exposure to all the sides and comment on them fairly instead of fanboyism :)22:29
marshmnElbow album released - listen straight away22:29
popeystop judging22:29
daftykinsyep and you also get to enjoy losing them when stuff gets pulled22:29
marshmnno buying it, downloading it22:29
popeyyou dont lose what you never had22:29
popeyits just music, not the crown jewels22:30
diddledanhmm, how did I lose my sanity then?!22:30
daftykinspopey: that's an incredibly stupid statement22:30
popeythats rude22:30
marshmndaftykins: so you don't watch Netflix or any other streaming video either?22:30
daftykinsmarshmn: nah too much of a quality snob for streaming bitrates22:30
marshmnlol22:30
marshmnliving in the past22:30
popeywhen i die i wont miss not having a pile of cds for someone else to sort out22:31
diddledanis MWC still ongoing?22:31
daftykinsbut i use Kodi with a discless library22:31
popeydiddledan: yeah, last day tomorrow22:31
popeyits madness here22:31
daftykinsmarshmn: nope, see you don't know my setup so you can't comment22:31
diddledanlol22:31
daftykinsjust 'cause i don't pay a company to hold my hand :)22:31
popeythese snide responses are very unseemly22:31
daftykinsgot a problem?22:32
diddledandaftykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46_yYR6tGOI22:32
* zmoylan-pi breaks out the hurdygurdy for latest tunes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHmML7bu-iM22:32
popeyhaha, thats awesome22:32
diddledanwtf is a hurdy gurdy?!22:32
popeyhow does he have the co-ordination to do that!22:33
zmoylan-piit's just like patting your head and rubbing your tummy and then switching every few seconds... :-D22:33
popeyhah22:33
daftykinsanother angle to the streaming services is for e.g. my clients who nip down to Spain and can't use them due to regional restrictions (for some)22:37
daftykinsthat's always a downer22:37
diddledandaftykins: that's what piracy is for22:37
daftykinsheh22:37
marshmnso where do you buy your video content?22:37
daftykinsyou try and do the right thing though, like their kids amazon tablet with downloaded episodes - but then it pops up asking to go online just briefly to verify you're allowed to play them... madness22:38
zmoylan-pii wouldn't want to even consider streaming if i lived within 10 miles of a border as roaming would be fun22:38
diddledanI buy my video on betamax tapes22:38
diddledanthey're gonna be around forever22:38
zmoylan-pino laserdisc will around forever as no one has a player anymore... :-P22:38
diddledanlaserdiscs wear out where the pickup scratches the surface22:39
zmoylan-piyou just need a sharper needle22:39
diddledanlaserdisc on the bbc micro on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYvAcE_yNiQ22:39
zmoylan-pithe doomsday project thingy?22:40
marshmndaftykins: if you want to rent a movie to watch, since you don't like Netflix etc., then where do you buy it to rent?22:41
daftykinsnot really a film person as it goes22:41
daftykinsi notice you didn't choose to comment on any of the streaming woes tales i've shared?22:41
marshmnlol22:42
daftykinssure isn't funny when you're trying to shut up your client's son with a TV episode and it won't play due to DRM XD22:42
marshmnI never have any issues with streaming22:42
daftykinsright but see above22:42
marshmnNetflix downloads don't seem to make you go online22:43
marshmnI was using one on a non-connected tablet the other day on the train22:43
marshmnbut in any case, you've not suggested an alternative...22:43
marshmnjust moaned22:43
daftykinsthat's false22:44
marshmnwhere should I rent movies from?22:44
daftykinsi just said i don't really watch films so i don't see why my opinion has to be less valid because i am not giving you options for your preferences in life22:45
marshmnlol22:45
zmoylan-pistill video shops hanging on. just not a walk away... and doesn't netflix still send out dvds?22:45
zmoylan-pia lot of places still don't have decent broadband22:45
marshmnyou can rent DVDs from LoveFilm22:45
daftykinsfor my client we hired a kid to rip his whole disc collection 1:1 and have it all on a large file server, at some point i'll duplicate that for down in his Spain place too22:45
daftykinswon't matter when services go down, then22:45
marshmnOK22:46
marshmnwell, enjoy you're life - I'll enjoy mine :)22:46
diddledandon't forget your video will never fade with Scotch Video Tapes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4rv81zxBGQ22:46
daftykinsmarshmn: i know a lot of folks are enjoying the convenience of streaming services, but they all have to accept sacrifices to do so - claiming it's all bulletproof is being daft really22:47
daftykinsjust like how i won't defend having to rip + place files with the right names for Kodi to scrape them isn't without a need for some effort22:47
zmoylan-piand there were a lot of channels yesterday complaining when amazons cloud went down as netflix went with it22:47
daftykins:D22:47
zmoylan-picloud is a grand and wonderful fluffy thing but i won't ever depend on it, i'll always aim to have a replacement on standby for when it's not about22:48
daftykinsexactly22:49
marshmndaftykins: I'm not suggesting that it's perfect; everything in life is a compromise; all I'm saying is that my quality of life has definitely got better by using these things :)22:49
* zmoylan-pi checks to make sure my semaphore flags haven't been gotten at by moths... :-)22:49
daftykinsi suspect it helps i haven't got any kids to ruin my fun...22:49
marshmndaftykins: maybe your quality of life wouldn't be improved by using these things, but I suspect it would be22:50
marshmnmaybe you should give them a try for 6 months and see whether you go back22:50
daftykinsnah, i saw Amazon Prime on my clients LG OLED 4K TV attempt 4K streaming, looked terrible22:51
marshmnlol22:51
* diddledan stores zmoylan-pi in the cloud22:51
marshmnbut you're not a film person22:51
daftykinsi see where you're coming from but the thing is i *HAVE* seen these things22:51
marshmnyou've not told us where to get our 4k video from22:51
daftykinsit was TV series streaming, i'm more of a box set rip kinda person22:51
diddledanzmoylan-pi: strange that you're talking on a cloud service telling us you'll never use the cloud :-p22:51
zmoylan-pii'll never depend _only_ on something like the cloud... whole other world of difference22:52
daftykinsmarshmn: you're joking right? seriously standard blurays look better than 4K streaming services22:52
marshmnbut they aren't very convenient22:52
diddledancloud ========= internet (many more than three = signs because I wanted to be very sure to prove that they're really the exact same thing beyond value and type)22:52
marshmnso I don't think you do that22:52
marshmndo you even have a 4k TV?22:52
diddledanwat?22:52
diddledan4k?!22:52
ali1234bro, do you even 4k?22:52
diddledanwho got time for that?!22:52
zmoylan-pii don't even have a tv :-)22:53
diddledanall my TVs are unplugged22:53
ali1234i used to know a guy who had a server full of TV shows and movies and never watched them22:53
daftykinsonce it's ripped it's convenient :>22:53
diddledanI use my puter for video22:53
zmoylan-pimy last one was a 14" colour portable that packed it in 10plus years ago...22:53
daftykinscan't rip the 4K discs yet though, only just launched drives and it'll take some time22:53
ali1234spending more on electricity than the cost of netflix22:53
diddledanali1234: was he me?22:53
marshmndaftykins: it's not convenient to rip every bluray that you want to rent22:53
ali1234netflix didn't exist then of course22:53
marshmnand as you say, you're not doing that anyway22:53
daftykinsi don't believe we're arguing about convenience22:54
marshmnso it's all bogus22:54
diddledanwait, 4k blurries need a new player?!22:54
marshmnconvenience is a huge part of it22:54
daftykinsdiddledan: yep too many layers22:54
marshmndo you have a 4k TV?22:54
marshmnno.22:54
marshmnso no point making that argument22:54
marshmnit makes no difference to your life right now22:54
diddledanI get that they would for the video output phase, but for PC use surely it doesn't make a diff (you'dathunk)22:54
ali1234for PC it doesn't22:54
daftykinstbh now i've seen one i don't think 4K has really added that much - although ask me again once i go there another time with new specs that work :(22:55
ali1234for players, it needs not just 4k output, but also new codecs22:55
daftykinsat a minimum you'd need a drive capable of a given speed and maybe a firmware update for handling the layers... but for whatever reason you have to get new drives for PC right now22:55
marshmndaftykins: if you don't have 20/20 vision then I'm afraid we can't accept your opinion22:56
daftykinsyou also need the SGX feature on intel CPUs for 4K disc22:56
zmoylan-pimy dm about 3months ago was asking if we the gaming group thought it was worthwhile to upgrade his sky subscription to high def for his shiny new huge high res tv... we all wear glasses as does he and none of us could see a difference in quality22:56
diddledanali1234: says you do need a special drive on a PC accordin to 25/26jan2017 news articles (just googlified "bluray drive 4k")22:56
daftykinsmarshmn: it's fine, i just scoot closer for now ;)22:56
daftykinsmajor vision problems since getting some new specs the other week though, ugh22:56
ali1234diddledan: "special" as in "blessed by the MPAA"22:56
ali1234if you are ripping them on linux (if thats even possible) i doubt it makes any difference22:57
daftykinsi suspect there's nobody in here that can comment on whether the previous drives optics can handle the 4K discs22:57
zmoylan-pisomeone in one of my other channels was ripping a lot of blu rays a few months back on linux so it must be possible22:57
daftykinsnew DRM on the 4K discs so even with a compatible drive in a Linux machine it's gonna take time22:57
daftykinsthere isn't even a software player right now22:58
zmoylan-piah, i suppose wait the usual 6-18 months and then it'll be sorted22:58
marshmnthe one thing I DO miss when using online services is that you don't usually get access to the bonus materials from DVDs etc :(22:59
daftykinsmight be, using this intel CPU feature could be more cunning than usual 0o22:59
diddledanmakemkv are prolly working on breaking the crypto :-p22:59
ali1234"ultra HD blu ray is a new disc format"22:59
zmoylan-pimight as well be betamax 2 for all i care :-)22:59
zmoylan-pieach time they chop and change the hardware orphaning old hardware they annoy their customers a little more23:00
ali1234yeah, and the discs get scratched23:00
ali1234they should just sell movies on SD cards23:01
daftykinspretty mad they had to invent a protective layer for BD, mmm23:01
zmoylan-piconsidering the amount of data on them i'm guessing even a tiny scratch will bugger them23:01
daftykinsali1234: definitely!23:01
daftykinslovely solid state, nice small units...23:01
ali123464GB micro SD is like $19 now23:01
zmoylan-pithey should have stuck to using optical disks in caddies like when cd-roms first came along23:01
ali1234make it read only and mass produced and i am sure it would be cheaper23:01
zmoylan-pii got a lovely otg 2 header usb, mini usb usb drive 64gb for €30.  great for copying files to tablet phone when out and about23:02
ali1234of course even if they did that i still wouldn't buy them, because movies suck23:02
daftykinsevery single one? :D23:03
zmoylan-pithe only movies i want to see 90% of the time were made pre 199023:03
marshmnwat23:03
ali1234just the new ones mainly23:03
marshmnyou're watching the wrong films I think23:03
ali1234what are some good recent movies?23:03
daftykinsi liked 'Arrival' :D23:03
marshmnhere are my top50 movies: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/favorited/?user=marshmn23:05
daftykinsthumbs up to #3 and #5 straight off23:05
zmoylan-piit's like when you pick up someone elses mp3 playing device that you discover their awful taste in music... :-D23:05
ali1234i've seen nearly all of those :)23:06
ali1234i haven;t seen (or heard of) eastern promises23:06
zmoylan-pii do have some of those on dvd... :-)23:06
marshmnali1234: it's a David Cronenberg film23:07
ali1234oh, it's recent23:07
ali1234most recent cronenberg i saw was existenz23:08
marshmnI'm not sure what you class as "recent" :)23:08
ali1234made this century pretty much23:08
zmoylan-pii thought existenz was made in century of the fruitbat? :-P23:08
ali1234on your list... i've seen all the movies made before 2002 and none of the ones after, pretty much23:09
marshmnwell now you have some new ones to watch :p23:09
ali1234yes, thanks :)23:09
diddledanthey're all foreign (the recent ones)23:10
marshmnthere's a few, yeah23:11
diddledanweird-ass titles that I can't read23:11
marshmnlol23:11
diddledanexcept inception23:11
marshmndon't dismiss them... the best films made don't just happen to be the English ones ;)23:11
ali1234oh there's a page two... i didn't notice23:11
marshmnOldeuboi (Oldboy) is an amazing foreign film23:12
zmoylan-piif i had to list my top 5 films not already listed. in no particular order * 2010 * good bad and the ugly * seven samurai * blazing saddles * the longest day23:12
marshmnthey made an English re-make of it a few years back - but nowhere near as good as the original (in Korean)23:13
diddledanblazing saddles!23:13
ali1234i used to know a guy who raved about oldboy23:13
diddledancat balou was a fun one from ancient times23:13
ali1234actually it was the same guy with the server with loads of tv shows and movies23:13
marshmnali1234: have you seen it? (the original)23:13
ali1234no23:13
marshmnreally, really worth a watch23:13
zmoylan-piand it must kill hollywood that they could never do a remake of blazing saddles23:13
marshmnali1234: but please watch the original23:14
diddledanI figure blazing saddles was made in the only time it was ever going to be acceptible to make it23:14
zmoylan-piyup23:14
ali1234what, no23:14
ali1234blazing saddles was way ahead of it's time23:15
diddledani.e. not so early that it was blatantly "screw you ******'s". and not so recent that it was racist23:15
zmoylan-pithey offered john wayne the part of taggart the cowboy and he had to turn it down as it would kill his career but said he'd be first in line when it came out23:15
diddledanit was a case of a two or three year period where it wasn't socially awkward to make it23:16
zmoylan-piand i still after umpteen times seeing it cannot not laugh at the beans and campfire scene23:16
daftykinsi never got around to Oldboy 'cause i have very little motivation for films to begin with... but once they're subbed only it's a lot of work23:17
marshmnwork?23:18
marshmnto watch them you mean?23:18
diddledanif they did it now they'd be strung-up for ridiculing racism and civial rights movement. if they made it before they really did it would have been seen as heretical black sympathising23:18
marshmnbecause of having to read the subtitles?23:18
diddledanyes, reading subtitties is hard23:20
marshmnwow23:20
daftykinsyeah, i think it's harder these days because of how many distraction sources there are - i probably enjoyed "Arrival" because it was the first time i actually sat down and even ignored my phone for the whole thing XD23:20
diddledanerr23:20
diddledansppelign23:20
daftykinsi get really irked by grammatical or spelling errors in them too :P23:20
daftykinssometimes the timing can be poor so you have to skip back, as well23:21
diddledandaftykins: whats wrong with gramma and spelling error's?23:21
zmoylan-piwow i have bad eyesight and i could read subitles of seven samurai on 2nd generation 8bg ipod nano23:21
marshmnmaybe it's best if you stick to your hollywood dross blockbusters :)23:21
* diddledan busts marshmn's block23:21
daftykinsi've really liked some foreign stuff i've seen, but you can't deny it isn't more requiring of effort23:22
daftykinser, think i put too many negatives in there23:22
diddledanzmoylan-pi: what are BGs? Belly Guffaws?23:22
marshmnyou just get used to it23:22
daftykinsBee Gees!23:22
zmoylan-piit's when you store the movie backwards diddledan :-)23:22
diddledan8 Belly Gaffaws23:22
marshmnyou kind of forget about the subtitles once you have watched enough of them23:23
marshmnI never feel like it's going to be 'hard work'23:23
marshmnI definitely don't choose to watch some other film because xyz has subtitles23:23
daftykinsanimé subs though... :D23:23
diddledandaftykins: I bet you prefer hentai23:24
daftykins*gasp*23:24
diddledanyou're a sick pervert really, right? :-p23:24
daftykinsi leave all the tentacles alone, as it happens23:24
diddledanwhat about the noodly appendage?23:25
diddledanI've been touched once or twice by that hallowed thing23:25
diddledanpastafarian teaching should be required reading23:26
ali1234marshmn: why don't you like beverly hills cop 2?23:26
daftykinssomething that strikes me about those 80s classics is how basic a premise the actors and actresses of the time riff on that somehow gained popularity o023:26
daftykinslike Eddie Murphy and blabbing super fast... or Whoopi Goldberg doing weird little impressions during her chats ;)23:27
zmoylan-pinoodly appendage this... http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0020.html23:27
marshmnali1234: lol23:28
marshmnsorry, it just missed out on my top50 :p23:28
ali1234daftykins: bull murray carried on his 80s schtick right up until now23:28
ali1234or another non 80s example: keanu23:29
marshmntime for me to hit the sack; night all23:29
ali1234or owen wilson23:29
zmoylan-pio/23:29
diddledanwtf, zmoylan-pi ?!23:29
zmoylan-piorder of the stick. great comic for dnd fans23:29
* m0nkey_ appears23:33
diddledanand on that note, it's bedtime23:35
daftykinsit is!?23:44
daftykinsdiddledan: you've gone all - normal on us!23:44
* m0nkey_ has already been spanked.23:47
daftykinswhat O_O23:47
m0nkey_Bad m0nkey_!23:48
m0nkey_No banana!23:48
daftykinscor, i think your bedroom antics should stay in those 4 walls! :)23:49

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