[02:38]  * m0nkey_ waves
[02:40]  * ball waves back
[02:41] <daftykins> bed for me \o
[02:44] <ball> Goodnight daftykins
[02:51] <ball> What's a good channel for Linux beginners?  34 people have given me endorsements for Linux on LinkedIn and I feel I should probably learn it.
[02:59] <m0nkey_> Here :)
[03:04] <ball> I should have a think this evening about the things about Linux that I would like to learn.
[03:04] <ball> What does it use for software RAID?
[03:12] <m0nkey_> mdadm
[03:13] <m0nkey_> Things to look into if you're using Linux in a business environment: High Availability, Clustering, SELinux (a lot of PCI compliance things need this), Securing linux, etc.
[03:13] <ball> Thanks. Those sound like helpful suggestions.
[03:24]  * ball adds Grub to the list
[08:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning
[09:49] <Guest95749> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy St David's Day! 😃  🐲
[09:52] <davmor2> JamesTait: man you were a guest you really need to sort out your irc mate
[09:52] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBuwC4VJi50 One David that was a Saint :)
[09:58] <JamesTait> Yeah, not sure why it's not identifying me by client certificate. 😏
[09:58] <davmor2> JamesTait: it hates you, only explanation
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> you can blame all bugs/glitches/flamingo ups for next few days on amazon cloud whoopsie :-)
[11:14] <awilkins> Dumb question : using ssh with ProxyCommand - the Hostname has a lookup at the remote end (through the proxycommand) but it only connects when I use the internal IP address of the remote machine, not it's internal DNS name
[11:14] <awilkins> Whut
[11:15] <awilkins> ProxyCommand is executed on your jump host, so surely the dns name should work (since it works fine if you shell into the jump box and then execute the command manually)
[11:21] <awilkins> Apparently someone has invented a Ruby gem for it...
[13:16] <awilkins> Ok, redid the Ruby with shell scripts, jq, and the aws cli
[13:16] <awilkins> Takes ages to connect though, I think because my local SSH client is looking up the domain name and failing
[13:17] <awilkins> Add a nonsense value to /etc/hosts and it works fine
[21:57] <marshmn> anyone else find that the 'settings' option in the Spotify client doesn't do anything?
[21:57] <marshmn> in fact, none of the options on that drop-down appear to work
[21:58]  * zmoylan-pi loves a good ui that requires instructions to use...
[21:58] <marshmn> well, it's not that it needs instructions - it just needs to work...
[21:59] <marshmn> seems to be a bit b0rked
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> or you're pressing the buttons wrong... #apple
[21:59] <daftykins> streaming just isn't for me, although i saw a news piece today claiming they'll offer a lossless quality stream so far - i simply don't and won't have data on a mobile device
[21:59] <daftykins> much rather managing local files :)
[22:00] <marshmn> I wasn't asking about my choice in music services :)
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> i loved the recent announcement from form that they're going to do away with cd player in cars.  and replace it with streaming audio and _video_ options...
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> *from ford that
[22:02] <daftykins> marshmn: i know that, but this is what we call a conversation, where someone doesn't have to reply with what you want - a fascinating thing!
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> out of curiosity, what browser are you using spotify in?
[22:03] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: soon folk will die from hackers disabling their cars
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> won't someone think of the citroens?!
[22:07] <daftykins> oh, they do... and they shun them for their torsion bars
[22:09] <zmoylan-pi> still legends... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën_DS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën_2CV
[22:11] <daftykins> the latter is cut in half and in a restaurant bar here ;)
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> i saw a mint condition 2cv last year... looked so nice compared to modern safe boring models
[22:18] <marshmn> zmoylan-pi: I'm not using it in a browser - I'm using the Linux client
[22:19] <marshmn> daftykins: well, FWIW, I used to think that local files were the way to go; but then one day I tried Spotify and my life felt better :)
[22:19] <zmoylan-pi> ok, weirder that...
[22:20] <daftykins> marshmn: you probably don't listen mobile though? just relies on data services too much which isn't practical for me (most of my portable music listening would be cycling in the past)
[22:21] <marshmn> daftykins: I listen on mobile a lot
[22:21] <marshmn> daftykins: I have lots of albums synced onto my phone
[22:21] <marshmn> so download them on WiFi only, listen on the move without using data
[22:22] <daftykins> yeah that's just not practical to my mind
[22:22] <marshmn> how is it different to having files locally?
[22:23] <daftykins> you're tied to the service to obtain them - what if you're somewhere offline - and as i said mobile data is money so meh
[22:23] <marshmn> they work offline
[22:23] <daftykins> if it works for you, that's fine... but you can't claim it to work for everyone
[22:23] <marshmn> I can put my phone into airplane mode - they still work
[22:23] <daftykins> yes but to obtain more, i can copy files offline fine - can't get more from spotify offline :)
[22:23] <marshmn> ok...
[22:24] <daftykins> i don't think you're really considering this objectively.
[22:24] <marshmn> I just never notice an issue
[22:24] <daftykins> Alistair Dabbs summed it up well on his Reg review :>
[22:25] <daftykins> The Register, that is
[22:25] <marshmn> all I can say is that it has definitely made my life better
[22:25] <marshmn> I listen to more music now than I did before
[22:25] <marshmn> I find more new music now than I did before
[22:25] <marshmn> it's easier to use my favourite music than it was before
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> some of the local phone operators in ireland offer spotify data for free on their plans
[22:25] <marshmn> it's literally made me happier
[22:26] <daftykins> i can see how it'd help casual discovery, but i can only imagine you had a crap setup before then :)
[22:26] <daftykins> mmm those strange approaches that harm net neutrality...
[22:26] <zmoylan-pi> but i totally want local music/audio book/podcast files *PLUS* fm radio
[22:26] <marshmn> I have local music
[22:27] <daftykins> and with the new 3310 you can ;)
[22:27] <marshmn> Spotify downloads it to my phone
[22:27] <marshmn> you don't need to be online
[22:27] <zmoylan-pi> 32gb of local files...
[22:27] <marshmn> you're all living in the past :)
[22:27] <popey> haha
[22:27] <popey> marshmn: I'm with you
[22:27] <popey> spotify all the way
[22:28] <daftykins> no, you're failing to consider other use-cases
[22:28] <marshmn> high five
[22:28] <diddledan> google playdoh!
[22:28] <popey> daftykins: you are the king of that, mr kettle.
[22:28] <daftykins> maybe at times
[22:29] <marshmn> I also don't need to spend time considering which albums to buy
[22:29] <marshmn> I pay my subscription and they are all there
[22:29] <daftykins> but then at least i have exposure to all the sides and comment on them fairly instead of fanboyism :)
[22:29] <marshmn> Elbow album released - listen straight away
[22:29] <popey> stop judging
[22:29] <daftykins> yep and you also get to enjoy losing them when stuff gets pulled
[22:29] <marshmn> no buying it, downloading it
[22:29] <popey> you dont lose what you never had
[22:30] <popey> its just music, not the crown jewels
[22:30] <diddledan> hmm, how did I lose my sanity then?!
[22:30] <daftykins> popey: that's an incredibly stupid statement
[22:30] <popey> thats rude
[22:30] <marshmn> daftykins: so you don't watch Netflix or any other streaming video either?
[22:30] <daftykins> marshmn: nah too much of a quality snob for streaming bitrates
[22:30] <marshmn> lol
[22:30] <marshmn> living in the past
[22:31] <popey> when i die i wont miss not having a pile of cds for someone else to sort out
[22:31] <diddledan> is MWC still ongoing?
[22:31] <daftykins> but i use Kodi with a discless library
[22:31] <popey> diddledan: yeah, last day tomorrow
[22:31] <popey> its madness here
[22:31] <daftykins> marshmn: nope, see you don't know my setup so you can't comment
[22:31] <diddledan> lol
[22:31] <daftykins> just 'cause i don't pay a company to hold my hand :)
[22:31] <popey> these snide responses are very unseemly
[22:32] <daftykins> got a problem?
[22:32] <diddledan> daftykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46_yYR6tGOI
[22:32]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out the hurdygurdy for latest tunes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHmML7bu-iM
[22:32] <popey> haha, thats awesome
[22:32] <diddledan> wtf is a hurdy gurdy?!
[22:33] <popey> how does he have the co-ordination to do that!
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> it's just like patting your head and rubbing your tummy and then switching every few seconds... :-D
[22:33] <popey> hah
[22:37] <daftykins> another angle to the streaming services is for e.g. my clients who nip down to Spain and can't use them due to regional restrictions (for some)
[22:37] <daftykins> that's always a downer
[22:37] <diddledan> daftykins: that's what piracy is for
[22:37] <daftykins> heh
[22:37] <marshmn> so where do you buy your video content?
[22:38] <daftykins> you try and do the right thing though, like their kids amazon tablet with downloaded episodes - but then it pops up asking to go online just briefly to verify you're allowed to play them... madness
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> i wouldn't want to even consider streaming if i lived within 10 miles of a border as roaming would be fun
[22:38] <diddledan> I buy my video on betamax tapes
[22:38] <diddledan> they're gonna be around forever
[22:38] <zmoylan-pi> no laserdisc will around forever as no one has a player anymore... :-P
[22:39] <diddledan> laserdiscs wear out where the pickup scratches the surface
[22:39] <zmoylan-pi> you just need a sharper needle
[22:39] <diddledan> laserdisc on the bbc micro on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYvAcE_yNiQ
[22:40] <zmoylan-pi> the doomsday project thingy?
[22:41] <marshmn> daftykins: if you want to rent a movie to watch, since you don't like Netflix etc., then where do you buy it to rent?
[22:41] <daftykins> not really a film person as it goes
[22:41] <daftykins> i notice you didn't choose to comment on any of the streaming woes tales i've shared?
[22:42] <marshmn> lol
[22:42] <daftykins> sure isn't funny when you're trying to shut up your client's son with a TV episode and it won't play due to DRM XD
[22:42] <marshmn> I never have any issues with streaming
[22:42] <daftykins> right but see above
[22:43] <marshmn> Netflix downloads don't seem to make you go online
[22:43] <marshmn> I was using one on a non-connected tablet the other day on the train
[22:43] <marshmn> but in any case, you've not suggested an alternative...
[22:43] <marshmn> just moaned
[22:44] <daftykins> that's false
[22:44] <marshmn> where should I rent movies from?
[22:45] <daftykins> i just said i don't really watch films so i don't see why my opinion has to be less valid because i am not giving you options for your preferences in life
[22:45] <marshmn> lol
[22:45] <zmoylan-pi> still video shops hanging on. just not a walk away... and doesn't netflix still send out dvds?
[22:45] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of places still don't have decent broadband
[22:45] <marshmn> you can rent DVDs from LoveFilm
[22:45] <daftykins> for my client we hired a kid to rip his whole disc collection 1:1 and have it all on a large file server, at some point i'll duplicate that for down in his Spain place too
[22:45] <daftykins> won't matter when services go down, then
[22:46] <marshmn> OK
[22:46] <marshmn> well, enjoy you're life - I'll enjoy mine :)
[22:46] <diddledan> don't forget your video will never fade with Scotch Video Tapes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4rv81zxBGQ
[22:47] <daftykins> marshmn: i know a lot of folks are enjoying the convenience of streaming services, but they all have to accept sacrifices to do so - claiming it's all bulletproof is being daft really
[22:47] <daftykins> just like how i won't defend having to rip + place files with the right names for Kodi to scrape them isn't without a need for some effort
[22:47] <zmoylan-pi> and there were a lot of channels yesterday complaining when amazons cloud went down as netflix went with it
[22:47] <daftykins> :D
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> cloud is a grand and wonderful fluffy thing but i won't ever depend on it, i'll always aim to have a replacement on standby for when it's not about
[22:49] <daftykins> exactly
[22:49] <marshmn> daftykins: I'm not suggesting that it's perfect; everything in life is a compromise; all I'm saying is that my quality of life has definitely got better by using these things :)
[22:49]  * zmoylan-pi checks to make sure my semaphore flags haven't been gotten at by moths... :-)
[22:49] <daftykins> i suspect it helps i haven't got any kids to ruin my fun...
[22:50] <marshmn> daftykins: maybe your quality of life wouldn't be improved by using these things, but I suspect it would be
[22:50] <marshmn> maybe you should give them a try for 6 months and see whether you go back
[22:51] <daftykins> nah, i saw Amazon Prime on my clients LG OLED 4K TV attempt 4K streaming, looked terrible
[22:51] <marshmn> lol
[22:51]  * diddledan stores zmoylan-pi in the cloud
[22:51] <marshmn> but you're not a film person
[22:51] <daftykins> i see where you're coming from but the thing is i *HAVE* seen these things
[22:51] <marshmn> you've not told us where to get our 4k video from
[22:51] <daftykins> it was TV series streaming, i'm more of a box set rip kinda person
[22:51] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: strange that you're talking on a cloud service telling us you'll never use the cloud :-p
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> i'll never depend _only_ on something like the cloud... whole other world of difference
[22:52] <daftykins> marshmn: you're joking right? seriously standard blurays look better than 4K streaming services
[22:52] <marshmn> but they aren't very convenient
[22:52] <diddledan> cloud [22:52] <marshmn> so I don't think you do that
[22:52] <marshmn> do you even have a 4k TV?
[22:52] <diddledan> wat?
[22:52] <diddledan> 4k?!
[22:52] <ali1234> bro, do you even 4k?
[22:52] <diddledan> who got time for that?!
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> i don't even have a tv :-)
[22:53] <diddledan> all my TVs are unplugged
[22:53] <ali1234> i used to know a guy who had a server full of TV shows and movies and never watched them
[22:53] <daftykins> once it's ripped it's convenient :>
[22:53] <diddledan> I use my puter for video
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> my last one was a 14" colour portable that packed it in 10plus years ago...
[22:53] <daftykins> can't rip the 4K discs yet though, only just launched drives and it'll take some time
[22:53] <ali1234> spending more on electricity than the cost of netflix
[22:53] <diddledan> ali1234: was he me?
[22:53] <marshmn> daftykins: it's not convenient to rip every bluray that you want to rent
[22:53] <ali1234> netflix didn't exist then of course
[22:53] <marshmn> and as you say, you're not doing that anyway
[22:54] <daftykins> i don't believe we're arguing about convenience
[22:54] <marshmn> so it's all bogus
[22:54] <diddledan> wait, 4k blurries need a new player?!
[22:54] <marshmn> convenience is a huge part of it
[22:54] <daftykins> diddledan: yep too many layers
[22:54] <marshmn> do you have a 4k TV?
[22:54] <marshmn> no.
[22:54] <marshmn> so no point making that argument
[22:54] <marshmn> it makes no difference to your life right now
[22:54] <diddledan> I get that they would for the video output phase, but for PC use surely it doesn't make a diff (you'dathunk)
[22:54] <ali1234> for PC it doesn't
[22:55] <daftykins> tbh now i've seen one i don't think 4K has really added that much - although ask me again once i go there another time with new specs that work :(
[22:55] <ali1234> for players, it needs not just 4k output, but also new codecs
[22:55] <daftykins> at a minimum you'd need a drive capable of a given speed and maybe a firmware update for handling the layers... but for whatever reason you have to get new drives for PC right now
[22:56] <marshmn> daftykins: if you don't have 20/20 vision then I'm afraid we can't accept your opinion
[22:56] <daftykins> you also need the SGX feature on intel CPUs for 4K disc
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> my dm about 3months ago was asking if we the gaming group thought it was worthwhile to upgrade his sky subscription to high def for his shiny new huge high res tv... we all wear glasses as does he and none of us could see a difference in quality
[22:56] <diddledan> ali1234: says you do need a special drive on a PC accordin to 25/26jan2017 news articles (just googlified "bluray drive 4k")
[22:56] <daftykins> marshmn: it's fine, i just scoot closer for now ;)
[22:56] <daftykins> major vision problems since getting some new specs the other week though, ugh
[22:56] <ali1234> diddledan: "special" as in "blessed by the MPAA"
[22:57] <ali1234> if you are ripping them on linux (if thats even possible) i doubt it makes any difference
[22:57] <daftykins> i suspect there's nobody in here that can comment on whether the previous drives optics can handle the 4K discs
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> someone in one of my other channels was ripping a lot of blu rays a few months back on linux so it must be possible
[22:57] <daftykins> new DRM on the 4K discs so even with a compatible drive in a Linux machine it's gonna take time
[22:58] <daftykins> there isn't even a software player right now
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> ah, i suppose wait the usual 6-18 months and then it'll be sorted
[22:59] <marshmn> the one thing I DO miss when using online services is that you don't usually get access to the bonus materials from DVDs etc :(
[22:59] <daftykins> might be, using this intel CPU feature could be more cunning than usual 0o
[22:59] <diddledan> makemkv are prolly working on breaking the crypto :-p
[22:59] <ali1234> "ultra HD blu ray is a new disc format"
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> might as well be betamax 2 for all i care :-)
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> each time they chop and change the hardware orphaning old hardware they annoy their customers a little more
[23:00] <ali1234> yeah, and the discs get scratched
[23:01] <ali1234> they should just sell movies on SD cards
[23:01] <daftykins> pretty mad they had to invent a protective layer for BD, mmm
[23:01] <zmoylan-pi> considering the amount of data on them i'm guessing even a tiny scratch will bugger them
[23:01] <daftykins> ali1234: definitely!
[23:01] <daftykins> lovely solid state, nice small units...
[23:01] <ali1234> 64GB micro SD is like $19 now
[23:01] <zmoylan-pi> they should have stuck to using optical disks in caddies like when cd-roms first came along
[23:01] <ali1234> make it read only and mass produced and i am sure it would be cheaper
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> i got a lovely otg 2 header usb, mini usb usb drive 64gb for €30.  great for copying files to tablet phone when out and about
[23:02] <ali1234> of course even if they did that i still wouldn't buy them, because movies suck
[23:03] <daftykins> every single one? :D
[23:03] <zmoylan-pi> the only movies i want to see 90% of the time were made pre 1990
[23:03] <marshmn> wat
[23:03] <ali1234> just the new ones mainly
[23:03] <marshmn> you're watching the wrong films I think
[23:03] <ali1234> what are some good recent movies?
[23:03] <daftykins> i liked 'Arrival' :D
[23:05] <marshmn> here are my top50 movies: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/favorited/?user=marshmn
[23:05] <daftykins> thumbs up to #3 and #5 straight off
[23:05] <zmoylan-pi> it's like when you pick up someone elses mp3 playing device that you discover their awful taste in music... :-D
[23:06] <ali1234> i've seen nearly all of those :)
[23:06] <ali1234> i haven;t seen (or heard of) eastern promises
[23:06] <zmoylan-pi> i do have some of those on dvd... :-)
[23:07] <marshmn> ali1234: it's a David Cronenberg film
[23:07] <ali1234> oh, it's recent
[23:08] <ali1234> most recent cronenberg i saw was existenz
[23:08] <marshmn> I'm not sure what you class as "recent" :)
[23:08] <ali1234> made this century pretty much
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> i thought existenz was made in century of the fruitbat? :-P
[23:09] <ali1234> on your list... i've seen all the movies made before 2002 and none of the ones after, pretty much
[23:09] <marshmn> well now you have some new ones to watch :p
[23:09] <ali1234> yes, thanks :)
[23:10] <diddledan> they're all foreign (the recent ones)
[23:11] <marshmn> there's a few, yeah
[23:11] <diddledan> weird-ass titles that I can't read
[23:11] <marshmn> lol
[23:11] <diddledan> except inception
[23:11] <marshmn> don't dismiss them... the best films made don't just happen to be the English ones ;)
[23:11] <ali1234> oh there's a page two... i didn't notice
[23:12] <marshmn> Oldeuboi (Oldboy) is an amazing foreign film
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> if i had to list my top 5 films not already listed. in no particular order * 2010 * good bad and the ugly * seven samurai * blazing saddles * the longest day
[23:13] <marshmn> they made an English re-make of it a few years back - but nowhere near as good as the original (in Korean)
[23:13] <diddledan> blazing saddles!
[23:13] <ali1234> i used to know a guy who raved about oldboy
[23:13] <diddledan> cat balou was a fun one from ancient times
[23:13] <ali1234> actually it was the same guy with the server with loads of tv shows and movies
[23:13] <marshmn> ali1234: have you seen it? (the original)
[23:13] <ali1234> no
[23:13] <marshmn> really, really worth a watch
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> and it must kill hollywood that they could never do a remake of blazing saddles
[23:14] <marshmn> ali1234: but please watch the original
[23:14] <diddledan> I figure blazing saddles was made in the only time it was ever going to be acceptible to make it
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> yup
[23:14] <ali1234> what, no
[23:15] <ali1234> blazing saddles was way ahead of it's time
[23:15] <diddledan> i.e. not so early that it was blatantly "screw you ******'s". and not so recent that it was racist
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> they offered john wayne the part of taggart the cowboy and he had to turn it down as it would kill his career but said he'd be first in line when it came out
[23:16] <diddledan> it was a case of a two or three year period where it wasn't socially awkward to make it
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> and i still after umpteen times seeing it cannot not laugh at the beans and campfire scene
[23:17] <daftykins> i never got around to Oldboy 'cause i have very little motivation for films to begin with... but once they're subbed only it's a lot of work
[23:18] <marshmn> work?
[23:18] <marshmn> to watch them you mean?
[23:18] <diddledan> if they did it now they'd be strung-up for ridiculing racism and civial rights movement. if they made it before they really did it would have been seen as heretical black sympathising
[23:18] <marshmn> because of having to read the subtitles?
[23:20] <diddledan> yes, reading subtitties is hard
[23:20] <marshmn> wow
[23:20] <daftykins> yeah, i think it's harder these days because of how many distraction sources there are - i probably enjoyed "Arrival" because it was the first time i actually sat down and even ignored my phone for the whole thing XD
[23:20] <diddledan> err
[23:20] <diddledan> sppelign
[23:20] <daftykins> i get really irked by grammatical or spelling errors in them too :P
[23:21] <daftykins> sometimes the timing can be poor so you have to skip back, as well
[23:21] <diddledan> daftykins: whats wrong with gramma and spelling error's?
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> wow i have bad eyesight and i could read subitles of seven samurai on 2nd generation 8bg ipod nano
[23:21] <marshmn> maybe it's best if you stick to your hollywood dross blockbusters :)
[23:21]  * diddledan busts marshmn's block
[23:22] <daftykins> i've really liked some foreign stuff i've seen, but you can't deny it isn't more requiring of effort
[23:22] <daftykins> er, think i put too many negatives in there
[23:22] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: what are BGs? Belly Guffaws?
[23:22] <marshmn> you just get used to it
[23:22] <daftykins> Bee Gees!
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> it's when you store the movie backwards diddledan :-)
[23:22] <diddledan> 8 Belly Gaffaws
[23:23] <marshmn> you kind of forget about the subtitles once you have watched enough of them
[23:23] <marshmn> I never feel like it's going to be 'hard work'
[23:23] <marshmn> I definitely don't choose to watch some other film because xyz has subtitles
[23:23] <daftykins> animé subs though... :D
[23:24] <diddledan> daftykins: I bet you prefer hentai
[23:24] <daftykins> *gasp*
[23:24] <diddledan> you're a sick pervert really, right? :-p
[23:24] <daftykins> i leave all the tentacles alone, as it happens
[23:25] <diddledan> what about the noodly appendage?
[23:25] <diddledan> I've been touched once or twice by that hallowed thing
[23:26] <diddledan> pastafarian teaching should be required reading
[23:26] <ali1234> marshmn: why don't you like beverly hills cop 2?
[23:26] <daftykins> something that strikes me about those 80s classics is how basic a premise the actors and actresses of the time riff on that somehow gained popularity o0
[23:27] <daftykins> like Eddie Murphy and blabbing super fast... or Whoopi Goldberg doing weird little impressions during her chats ;)
[23:27] <zmoylan-pi> noodly appendage this... http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0020.html
[23:28] <marshmn> ali1234: lol
[23:28] <marshmn> sorry, it just missed out on my top50 :p
[23:28] <ali1234> daftykins: bull murray carried on his 80s schtick right up until now
[23:29] <ali1234> or another non 80s example: keanu
[23:29] <marshmn> time for me to hit the sack; night all
[23:29] <ali1234> or owen wilson
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[23:29] <diddledan> wtf, zmoylan-pi ?!
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> order of the stick. great comic for dnd fans
[23:33]  * m0nkey_ appears
[23:35] <diddledan> and on that note, it's bedtime
[23:44] <daftykins> it is!?
[23:44] <daftykins> diddledan: you've gone all - normal on us!
[23:47]  * m0nkey_ has already been spanked.
[23:47] <daftykins> what O_O
[23:48] <m0nkey_> Bad m0nkey_!
[23:48] <m0nkey_> No banana!
[23:49] <daftykins> cor, i think your bedroom antics should stay in those 4 walls! :)