| bluesabre | Unit193, look good to you? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1668821 | 02:12 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1668821 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "[FFe] xfce4-notifyd 0.3.5 for zesty" [Undecided,New] | 02:12 |
| Unit193 | Sure, perhaps get someone from studio to ACK. | 02:23 |
| bluesabre | Seemingly lubuntu as well | 02:28 |
| Unit193 | Eh.. | 02:28 |
| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [shimmer-themes-debian] r18 Update packaging for Numix theme (by Sean Davis) | 02:28 | |
| bluesabre | Who are our normal contacts for those now? | 02:29 |
| Unit193 | wxl, krytarik, sakrecoer: ↑ | 02:29 |
| bluesabre | thanks | 02:31 |
| bluesabre | going to wander off for a bit now | 02:31 |
| Unit193 | Cool, have fun. | 02:31 |
| flocculant | ochosi: built gtk3 panel in vm - using default panel location I *do* see the panel flicker you talk of - but I need to be almost out of the top of the panel to trigger it - also confirm there not being able to move plugins | 08:07 |
| * flocculant normally has panel in bottom left corner - shrunk down to 1 pixel auto resize | 08:09 | |
| flocculant | you must have wondered how I wasn't see something so pronounced ;) | 08:26 |
| ochosi | flocculant: ok, it's just one more (minor) thing i have to fix | 09:22 |
| Unit193 | cyphermox: I don't suppose you'll be doing a late devscripts merge? :> Some delta has been fixed upstream. | 10:12 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, akxwi-dave, wxl, sakrecoer, if you would like to review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1668821 and potentially ack it for zesty :) | 12:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1668821 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "[FFe] xfce4-notifyd 0.3.5 for zesty" [Undecided,New] | 12:20 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: done by me | 12:22 |
| bluesabre | suppose I'll go ahead and sub -release | 12:23 |
| flocculant | best to I guess :) | 12:23 |
| bluesabre | oh | 12:24 |
| bluesabre | Unit193 already did | 12:24 |
| flocculant | sneaky :p | 12:24 |
| flocculant | you only look a bit silly :) | 12:24 |
| * bluesabre is happy with his dev team | 12:24 | |
| flocculant | :D | 12:24 |
| * flocculant thinks he should install any gtk3 stuffs in the vm | 12:29 | |
| Perigee | Hi everyone, I would like to help out with Xubuntu development. I'm thinking QA testing to start. Could someone help get me setup to do so? | 14:47 |
| slickymasterWork | hello Perigee, the best place for you to start is to have a read at the QA section of the Xubuntu contributors documentation: http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-tester.html | 14:49 |
| flocculant | hi Perigee - quick first question | 14:49 |
| Perigee | flocculant: Shoot | 14:49 |
| flocculant | Perigee: can you test on hardware - running the dev version (which is pretty much completely stable now) or do you intend to test thing in a vm? | 14:50 |
| flocculant | this late in the cycle - I'd prefer people who are brave enough to do some real world testing :) | 14:51 |
| Perigee | I can do either. I have a few different laptops I can test on, and at least one desktop, maybe two | 14:51 |
| flocculant | awesome | 14:51 |
| flocculant | so best way to start is grab the daily and install that - we have a few official ppa's we use to | 14:52 |
| Perigee | ok, what do I need to do about the ppa's? | 14:53 |
| flocculant | for a bit more detail - you can look at the dev docs which slickymasterWork posted (there are actually 3 'tester' chapters - first one deals with setting up | 14:53 |
| Perigee | Ok will do | 14:53 |
| flocculant | http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/ chapters - 4 to 6 | 14:53 |
| flocculant | I'm pretty much around for a few hours now - akxwi-dave is the other qa lead - so either of us will be able to help with specifics - anyone is likely to help with less specific stuff | 14:54 |
| Perigee | Great, I'll read through that and get the basics setup. | 14:55 |
| flocculant | okey doke | 14:55 |
| flocculant | Perigee: dual booting is a useful half-way - I kind of do that - if dual booting can be used to describe having 6 options :D | 14:58 |
| Perigee | flocculant: Been there myself with the hexabooting at times. :) I remember back in my Gentoo days (2004 era or so) I had a huge list... just trying to get things to work | 15:00 |
| flocculant | :) | 15:01 |
| flocculant | good choice of word there too :D | 15:01 |
| cyphermox | Unit193: what would it bring us? I'm not sure it's that big of a deal... | 15:09 |
| cyphermox | Unit193: tbf, before looking at the merge, we should fix that issue with the autopkgtests not passing on some architectures | 15:11 |
| cyphermox | (because otherwise it wouldn't transition anyway) | 15:11 |
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| flocculant | knome akxwi-dave - updating of http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa at https://xubuntu.org/?p=4279&preview=true | 16:27 |
| flocculant | knome: 5 attempts to login today before I had more than my profile - really must talk to IS about that :p | 16:28 |
| knome | hmmh | 16:33 |
| knome | right | 16:33 |
| knome | that's weirdish | 16:34 |
| knome | i'll try to debug it with you later today to see if $something helps | 16:34 |
| flocculant | aah ok | 16:34 |
| knome | but it's not "much" i can do | 16:34 |
| knome | and i believe there's not much more IS can do... | 16:35 |
| flocculant | well | 16:35 |
| flocculant | it worked first time before | 16:35 |
| flocculant | so 'something' has changed :D | 16:35 |
| knome | heh | 16:36 |
| knome | maybe | 16:36 |
| knome | anyway, coffee time, bbl | 16:36 |
| flocculant | :) | 16:36 |
| Perigee | flocculant: I've gone through the doc chapters, signed up for the various resources. I just got a VM running the daily ISO + PPA's. Is there a rigid testing regimen that needs to happen each day/week and be reported somewhere as success/failure? I understand the bug reporting aspect. | 16:54 |
| genii | mmm coffee | 16:54 |
| flocculant | Perigee: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/369/builds alphabetical - right at the bottom | 16:59 |
| flocculant | the only thing we do specifically is iso testing this cycle | 17:00 |
| flocculant | sometimes we do package testing - mostly when dev wants something testing or it's lts cycle | 17:00 |
| flocculant | hi genii :) | 17:01 |
| Perigee | flocculant: Ok I see now. Is that what I should focus on then? Running those test procedures for the various ISO's and reporting via the tracker there? (On various hardware of course) | 17:03 |
| genii | flocculant: Salutations | 17:03 |
| flocculant | Perigee: to be honest - the greatest value for 'me' is people that run the dev version daily in use | 17:04 |
| flocculant | much of the iso stuff is common - so if there's an issue - it would be *buntu not just us | 17:04 |
| flocculant | particular things like lock breaking are issues we keep seeing - but that's not likely to break again this cycle | 17:05 |
| Perigee | flocculant: Got it, and doing that throughout my day would be reported just with bug reports if any are found, right? | 17:05 |
| flocculant | yup - though check for dupes first | 17:05 |
| Perigee | flocculant: Ok then, makes sense. | 17:05 |
| flocculant | Perigee: and check upstream https://bugzilla.xfce.org/ too | 17:05 |
| flocculant | could be it's reported there and not on lp | 17:06 |
| flocculant | I tend to find issues just doing what I do normally ... 'mmm that didn't do that last week' | 17:07 |
| Perigee | Ok, I'll certainly get my main laptop running the daily | 17:07 |
| flocculant | Perigee: that would be great :) | 17:08 |
| flocculant | Perigee: this late in the cycle little is going to change - and oops moments are unlikely | 17:11 |
| Perigee | flocculant: Ok, you should see me on the Launchpad team and elsewhere in Ubuntu-land as "crouthamela / Andrew Crouthamel". | 17:11 |
| flocculant | if you stick around (which I hope) starting using the dev cycle on release+ 1 day like I do can see a few hiccups - hence the multi-boot scenario but rarely am I more than a short while outside | 17:12 |
| flocculant | ok cool - nice to meet you :) | 17:12 |
| Perigee | :) | 17:13 |
| flocculant | but to be honest - the times that packages landing completely breaking are few now - changes in the way packages land and testing by canonical are different than they were I believe | 17:14 |
| Perigee | So they're more careful now? | 17:14 |
| flocculant | seems so | 17:14 |
| knome | there have been several instances where uploading after freezes have been made much "harder" (for justified reasons), and i think this has started paying off | 17:15 |
| flocculant | well - not perhaps careful, but proposed is usually disabled - you could break your system more often by using that repo if you wanted too | 17:15 |
| flocculant | knome: ack | 17:15 |
| knome | so developers aren't maybe any more careful, but the archive admins and release team are more cautious about late uploads ;) | 17:15 |
| Perigee | ahh | 17:16 |
| flocculant | I think in the last couple of cycles - lock has been problematic - but not unusable | 17:16 |
| flocculant | more likely to see issues actually during install than anything else | 17:16 |
| knome | flocculant, around? | 19:29 |
| knome | slickymaster, around? | 19:33 |
| flocculant | knome: yea | 19:36 |
| flocculant | for a while - then bbl | 19:36 |
| knome | oh | 19:36 |
| knome | give me 5 mins | 19:36 |
| flocculant | actually - bbl later noq, was waiting for M to return :) | 19:37 |
| chatter29 | hey guys | 19:37 |
| knome | heh | 19:37 |
| knome | hello chatter29 | 19:37 |
| chatter29 | allah is doing | 19:38 |
| knome | flocculant, ok, so look at https://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/contributor-docs/contributor/C/ | 19:38 |
| knome | flocculant, does the QA ToC structure make sense like this? | 19:38 |
| knome | flocculant, and: would you rather see even more subsection titles there (under testing infra etc.) or is this good enough? | 19:39 |
| akxwi-dave | :-) that looks good knome | 19:45 |
| knome | oh obviously akxwi-dave needs to ack too | 19:46 |
| knome | ok, i'll look into getting things sorted so that the different subsections can still have their own pages but appear as subitems like this | 19:46 |
| akxwi-dave | actually it | 19:46 |
| knome | it what? :) | 19:46 |
| akxwi-dave | looks really good | 19:47 |
| knome | heh, ok, good good | 19:47 |
| knome | i'm planning to land some more stuff on documentation, likely also subsections, so need to do this in order to keep things clean | 19:47 |
| akxwi-dave | and evenin | 19:47 |
| knome | hullo hullo! | 19:47 |
| knome | ahh great, incremental config for contributors <3 | 19:51 |
| flocculant | knome: yea - as akxwi-dave says looks good | 21:24 |
| knome | now to beat docbook as long as it does what i want... | 21:31 |
| * flocculant hands knome the beating stick | 21:31 | |
| knome | i have my hammer out... | 21:31 |
| flocculant | possibbly too much :p | 21:31 |
| knome | nah | 21:32 |
| knome | i might need bigger tools | 21:32 |
| Unit193 | cyphermox: And ah fun. Didn't see anything that'd fix the gpg2 fun. | 21:36 |
| flocculant | knome: as far as subsections goes - the fewer the better imo | 21:38 |
| knome | mhm | 21:40 |
| knome | i've almost got what i want... | 21:40 |
| knome | but not quite | 21:40 |
| flocculant | :) | 21:41 |
| knome | hmph. | 21:43 |
| knome | now i'm at least getting the subsections i want printed | 21:43 |
| knome | (and nothing more) | 21:44 |
| knome | how important do you think it is to be able to get the subsections into separate pages? | 21:47 |
| flocculant | to print? | 21:47 |
| knome | like, http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-testing.html | 21:48 |
| flocculant | oh you mean like when dev finishes and docs starts? I'd ay quite | 21:48 |
| knome | nope, the subsections of *qa* | 21:48 |
| knome | i understand this will be quite a long page if they are all in one... | 21:49 |
| knome | basically, whole qa stuff would appear on one html page | 21:49 |
| flocculant | mmm - better if they do - but *I* would be more likely to print the whole of it - others maybe not | 21:49 |
| knome | i'll look into it then | 21:49 |
| slickymaster | am now, knome :) | 21:55 |
| slickymaster | evening all | 21:55 |
| knome | oki | 21:55 |
| knome | so basically see the discussion with flocculant aboce | 21:55 |
| knome | above too | 21:55 |
| slickymaster | already saw | 21:55 |
| slickymaster | and I do agree with flocculant | 21:56 |
| knome | above too | 21:56 |
| knome | hmm, oops | 21:56 |
| slickymaster | regarding avoiding large html pages | 21:56 |
| slickymaster | and do +1 your subsections idea, knome | 21:57 |
| knome | hmm, so every sect1 should be a chunk... | 21:59 |
| slickymaster | not sure I understand what you mean, knome | 22:00 |
| slickymaster | to what do you refer by sect1? | 22:01 |
| knome | you don't have to | 22:01 |
| knome | i'm just saying it aloud for my personal reference later :P | 22:01 |
| slickymaster | lol | 22:01 |
| flocculant | knome: not sure how the sub-sectioning is working but Dispute Resolution on strategy should be a section - not sub-section of development | 22:02 |
| flocculant | unless we think dev cause all the issues :p | 22:02 |
| knome | well that's a content issue, not a technical one | 22:02 |
| knome | i'm mostly poking the technical stuff today | 22:03 |
| flocculant | assumed as much - just making sure now rather than in 6 months :D | 22:03 |
| knome | actually i think the issue is just that "Development" is a clumsy section title; it should be more like "contributing" or sth | 22:04 |
| knome | because if you look at the content/context, it all is general for everything, not just code contributions | 22:04 |
| flocculant | or communication - cos that's what the majority is about - then sub-section comms would need another name | 22:06 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: did I say that seek in parole was a bit broken? | 22:07 |
| flocculant | knome: next time I'm trying to login to x.org I'll grab utc time too - then I'll go see IS and report it - having an actual time should help | 22:10 |
| flocculant | in the meantime - I'm off - night all | 22:10 |
| slickymaster | night flocculant | 22:10 |
| cyphermox | Unit193: if there's something you need though, it's a different story | 22:24 |
| knome | because if you look at the content/context, it all is general for everything, not just code contributions | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | cyphermox: Better handling of buildinfo files (for when one is building Debian packages) and git-deborig looked interesting, but not enough for you to drop everything else for 'em. | 22:34 |
| knome | oops again | 22:35 |
| knome | i'll move the irc window elsewhere... | 22:35 |
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