| cmaloney | Thank you | 00:26 |
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| gamerchick02 | you're welcome! | 01:06 |
| jrwren | crazy: http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm#e20170301-tg_wlog-10 | 01:56 |
| greg-g | jrwren: yeah, it's been going around, I emailed our WMF Legal team, no response yet | 04:18 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 14:21 |
| cmaloney | let me guess: the Github terms of service? | 14:21 |
| brousch__ | hm? | 14:26 |
| SneakyPh1l | brousch__: github changed their TOS to be far less friendly to copy-left licensed projects | 14:27 |
| cmaloney | It uses language that tends to be used for sites that host projects | 14:28 |
| cmaloney | eg: you can't make it so we can't do our work licenses | 14:28 |
| cmaloney | but they can be read as interfering with Creative Commons and GPL licenses. | 14:28 |
| cmaloney | especially for atribution and sharing | 14:29 |
| Zimdale | Soooo move everything to gitlabs? | 14:29 |
| brousch__ | I'm sure it's not intentionally hostile | 14:29 |
| SneakyPh1l | the best would be to host it yourself | 14:29 |
| cmaloney | brousch__: That's how I'm reading it | 14:29 |
| === SneakyPh1l is now known as SneakyPhil | ||
| brousch__ | Community will complain, they'll fix the wording, life will go on | 14:30 |
| cmaloney | But yeah, it's caused an internet kerfluffle | 14:30 |
| brousch__ | Any kerfluffle is a respite from Trump, I guess | 14:30 |
| cmaloney | respite. distraction. take your pick | 14:30 |
| SneakyPhil | illuminati confirmed | 14:31 |
| Zimdale | Awe they added the minimap to vscode! | 15:18 |
| Zimdale | sublime's got nothin' now | 15:18 |
| brousch__ | I've been using Atom a lot lately | 15:37 |
| Zimdale | Atom failed me when I worked on a big repo so I switched | 15:46 |
| _stink_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=457nGTf4fsQ | 15:47 |
| Zimdale | hahaha | 15:47 |
| Zimdale | vscode won me over huge when writing golang so I just can't go back | 15:48 |
| Zimdale | brand loyalty or some shit | 15:48 |
| greg-g | while there are two FOSS lawyers (Richard Fontana and Aaron Williamson) who I respect who said to not worry about the new Github TOS, Joey isn't convinced still: https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/what_I_would_ask_my_lawyers_about_the_new_Github_TOS/ | 19:56 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I think there's a lot of folks who are just looking for an excuse to get folks off og github | 19:58 |
| cmaloney | and this is the smoking gun they want | 19:58 |
| cmaloney | even though it's cold | 19:58 |
| cmaloney | Zimdale: Had an interview with the consulting firm. Thanks, but they're looking for more polyglot programmers. :) | 19:59 |
| cmaloney | and Perl isn't exactly lighting up the boards. | 19:59 |
| greg-g | I'm of two minds: 1) sure, *probably* not a big deal and 2) but what about those hypotheticals? | 19:59 |
| greg-g | in the end, it's a cost/benefit analysis. Joey's went one way, many others went the other. I'm still not using Github for any of my personal repos :) | 20:00 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: Oh I know. It's the same thing that everyone said about Mono | 20:00 |
| cmaloney | hypothetically Microsoft was going to be evil about it | 20:00 |
| cmaloney | reality: Microsoft wasn't nearly as evil as Oracle was about Java | 20:00 |
| jrwren | all the while, MSFT was suing tomtom for using the fat file system. | 20:00 |
| jrwren | so MSFT was evil, just not the specific evil people thought they'd be. | 20:01 |
| greg-g | jrwren: indeed! :) | 20:01 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: do you smell something burning or is it just me? ;) | 20:01 |
| greg-g | corporations aren't inherently evil (or good, or even "not not evil"), but the people who make decisions in them sure can make some weird ones | 20:01 |
| jrwren | i agree entirely. I love me some corporations. | 20:02 |
| cmaloney | Corps have different motivations than people | 20:02 |
| cmaloney | corps eat money and shit profits | 20:02 |
| greg-g | don't get me started :) | 20:02 |
| jrwren | ha! if they are lucky. | 20:02 |
| cmaloney | Well, sometimes they shit negative profits | 20:02 |
| cmaloney | so they need money to keep shitting profits | 20:03 |
| greg-g | cmaloney: and it's actually, they eat labor and shit profits | 20:03 |
| jrwren | like TWTR, SNAP and TEAM? :) | 20:03 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: Labor is the bacteria that helps them shit profits | 20:03 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Which stock symbol is "TEAM"? | 20:04 |
| cmaloney | Oh, Atlassian | 20:05 |
| cmaloney | They took "TEAM"? Puke. | 20:05 |
| cmaloney | But even so, we use stocks to measure the health of corporations | 20:05 |
| cmaloney | so they look at that number as the end-all, be all for their health. | 20:05 |
| cmaloney | kind of like people measuring their health by their weight | 20:06 |
| cmaloney | and not their BMI or other factors | 20:06 |
| jrwren | i disagree that we use stocks to measure the health of a corproation. | 20:09 |
| jrwren | most corporations are not publicly traded | 20:09 |
| cmaloney | right, and not everyone weighs themselves | 20:10 |
| greg-g | analogies: they're like suspend on linux laptops, they never work. | 20:11 |
| cmaloney | ;) | 20:12 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:12 |
| cmaloney | thry're like rube goldberg machines: an awful lot of work tk amke a little point | 20:12 |
| greg-g | that's.... very apt! | 20:12 |
| cmaloney | ;) | 20:13 |
| jrwren | lol | 20:13 |
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