[00:26] <cmaloney> Thank you
[01:06] <gamerchick02> you're welcome!
[01:56] <jrwren> crazy: http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm#e20170301-tg_wlog-10
[04:18] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, it's been going around, I emailed our WMF Legal team, no response yet
[14:21] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:21] <cmaloney> let me guess: the Github terms of service?
[14:26] <brousch__> hm?
[14:27] <SneakyPh1l> brousch__: github changed their TOS to be far less friendly to copy-left licensed projects
[14:28] <cmaloney> It uses language that tends to be used for sites that host projects
[14:28] <cmaloney> eg: you can't make it so we can't do our work licenses
[14:28] <cmaloney> but they can be read as interfering with Creative Commons and GPL licenses.
[14:29] <cmaloney> especially for atribution and sharing
[14:29] <Zimdale> Soooo move everything to gitlabs?
[14:29] <brousch__> I'm sure it's not intentionally hostile
[14:29] <SneakyPh1l> the best would be to host it yourself
[14:29] <cmaloney> brousch__: That's how I'm reading it
[14:30] <brousch__> Community will complain, they'll fix the wording, life will go on
[14:30] <cmaloney> But yeah, it's caused an internet kerfluffle
[14:30] <brousch__> Any kerfluffle is a respite from Trump, I guess
[14:30] <cmaloney> respite. distraction. take your pick
[14:31] <SneakyPhil> illuminati confirmed
[15:18] <Zimdale> Awe they added the minimap to vscode!
[15:18] <Zimdale> sublime's got nothin' now
[15:37] <brousch__> I've been using Atom a lot lately
[15:46] <Zimdale> Atom failed me when I worked on a big repo so I switched
[15:47] <_stink_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=457nGTf4fsQ
[15:47] <Zimdale> hahaha
[15:48] <Zimdale> vscode won me over huge when writing golang so I just can't go back
[15:48] <Zimdale> brand loyalty or some shit
[19:56] <greg-g> while there are two FOSS lawyers (Richard Fontana and Aaron Williamson) who I respect who said to not worry about the new Github TOS, Joey isn't convinced still: https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/what_I_would_ask_my_lawyers_about_the_new_Github_TOS/
[19:58] <cmaloney> Yeah, I think there's a lot of folks who are just looking for an excuse to get folks off og github
[19:58] <cmaloney> and this is the smoking gun they want
[19:58] <cmaloney> even though it's cold
[19:59] <cmaloney> Zimdale: Had an interview with the consulting firm. Thanks, but they're looking for more polyglot programmers. :)
[19:59] <cmaloney> and Perl isn't exactly lighting up the boards.
[19:59] <greg-g> I'm of two minds: 1) sure, *probably* not a big deal and 2) but what about those hypotheticals?
[20:00] <greg-g> in the end, it's a cost/benefit analysis. Joey's went one way, many others went the other. I'm still not using Github for any of my personal repos :)
[20:00] <cmaloney> greg-g: Oh I know. It's the same thing that everyone said about Mono
[20:00] <cmaloney> hypothetically Microsoft was going to be evil about it
[20:00] <cmaloney> reality: Microsoft wasn't nearly as evil as Oracle was about Java
[20:00] <jrwren> all the while, MSFT was suing tomtom for using the fat file system.
[20:01] <jrwren> so MSFT was evil, just not the specific evil people thought they'd be.
[20:01] <greg-g> jrwren: indeed! :)
[20:01] <cmaloney> jrwren: do you smell something burning or is it just me? ;)
[20:01] <greg-g> corporations aren't inherently evil (or good, or even "not not evil"), but the people who make decisions in them sure can make some weird ones
[20:02] <jrwren> i agree entirely. I love me some corporations.
[20:02] <cmaloney> Corps have different motivations than people
[20:02] <cmaloney> corps eat money and shit profits
[20:02] <greg-g> don't get me started :)
[20:02] <jrwren> ha! if they are lucky.
[20:02] <cmaloney> Well, sometimes they shit negative profits
[20:03] <cmaloney> so they need money to keep shitting profits
[20:03] <greg-g> cmaloney: and it's actually, they eat labor and shit profits
[20:03] <jrwren> like TWTR, SNAP and TEAM?  :)
[20:03] <cmaloney> greg-g: Labor is the bacteria that helps them shit profits
[20:04] <cmaloney> jrwren: Which stock symbol is "TEAM"?
[20:05] <cmaloney> Oh, Atlassian
[20:05] <cmaloney> They took "TEAM"? Puke.
[20:05] <cmaloney> But even so, we use stocks to measure the health of corporations
[20:05] <cmaloney> so they look at that number as the end-all, be all for their health.
[20:06] <cmaloney> kind of like people measuring their health by their weight
[20:06] <cmaloney> and not their BMI or other factors
[20:09] <jrwren> i disagree that we use stocks to measure the health of a corproation.
[20:09] <jrwren> most corporations are not publicly traded
[20:10] <cmaloney> right, and not everyone weighs themselves
[20:11] <greg-g> analogies: they're like suspend on linux laptops, they never work.
[20:12] <cmaloney> ;)
[20:12] <greg-g> :)
[20:12] <cmaloney> thry're like rube goldberg machines: an awful lot of work tk amke a little point
[20:12] <greg-g> that's.... very apt!
[20:13] <cmaloney> ;)
[20:13] <jrwren> lol