[00:26] Thank you [01:06] you're welcome! [01:56] crazy: http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm#e20170301-tg_wlog-10 [04:18] jrwren: yeah, it's been going around, I emailed our WMF Legal team, no response yet [14:21] Good morning [14:21] let me guess: the Github terms of service? [14:26] hm? [14:27] brousch__: github changed their TOS to be far less friendly to copy-left licensed projects [14:28] It uses language that tends to be used for sites that host projects [14:28] eg: you can't make it so we can't do our work licenses [14:28] but they can be read as interfering with Creative Commons and GPL licenses. [14:29] especially for atribution and sharing [14:29] Soooo move everything to gitlabs? [14:29] I'm sure it's not intentionally hostile [14:29] the best would be to host it yourself [14:29] brousch__: That's how I'm reading it === SneakyPh1l is now known as SneakyPhil [14:30] Community will complain, they'll fix the wording, life will go on [14:30] But yeah, it's caused an internet kerfluffle [14:30] Any kerfluffle is a respite from Trump, I guess [14:30] respite. distraction. take your pick [14:31] illuminati confirmed [15:18] Awe they added the minimap to vscode! [15:18] sublime's got nothin' now [15:37] I've been using Atom a lot lately [15:46] Atom failed me when I worked on a big repo so I switched [15:47] <_stink_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=457nGTf4fsQ [15:47] hahaha [15:48] vscode won me over huge when writing golang so I just can't go back [15:48] brand loyalty or some shit [19:56] while there are two FOSS lawyers (Richard Fontana and Aaron Williamson) who I respect who said to not worry about the new Github TOS, Joey isn't convinced still: https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/what_I_would_ask_my_lawyers_about_the_new_Github_TOS/ [19:58] Yeah, I think there's a lot of folks who are just looking for an excuse to get folks off og github [19:58] and this is the smoking gun they want [19:58] even though it's cold [19:59] Zimdale: Had an interview with the consulting firm. Thanks, but they're looking for more polyglot programmers. :) [19:59] and Perl isn't exactly lighting up the boards. [19:59] I'm of two minds: 1) sure, *probably* not a big deal and 2) but what about those hypotheticals? [20:00] in the end, it's a cost/benefit analysis. Joey's went one way, many others went the other. I'm still not using Github for any of my personal repos :) [20:00] greg-g: Oh I know. It's the same thing that everyone said about Mono [20:00] hypothetically Microsoft was going to be evil about it [20:00] reality: Microsoft wasn't nearly as evil as Oracle was about Java [20:00] all the while, MSFT was suing tomtom for using the fat file system. [20:01] so MSFT was evil, just not the specific evil people thought they'd be. [20:01] jrwren: indeed! :) [20:01] jrwren: do you smell something burning or is it just me? ;) [20:01] corporations aren't inherently evil (or good, or even "not not evil"), but the people who make decisions in them sure can make some weird ones [20:02] i agree entirely. I love me some corporations. [20:02] Corps have different motivations than people [20:02] corps eat money and shit profits [20:02] don't get me started :) [20:02] ha! if they are lucky. [20:02] Well, sometimes they shit negative profits [20:03] so they need money to keep shitting profits [20:03] cmaloney: and it's actually, they eat labor and shit profits [20:03] like TWTR, SNAP and TEAM? :) [20:03] greg-g: Labor is the bacteria that helps them shit profits [20:04] jrwren: Which stock symbol is "TEAM"? [20:05] Oh, Atlassian [20:05] They took "TEAM"? Puke. [20:05] But even so, we use stocks to measure the health of corporations [20:05] so they look at that number as the end-all, be all for their health. [20:06] kind of like people measuring their health by their weight [20:06] and not their BMI or other factors [20:09] i disagree that we use stocks to measure the health of a corproation. [20:09] most corporations are not publicly traded [20:10] right, and not everyone weighs themselves [20:11] analogies: they're like suspend on linux laptops, they never work. [20:12] ;) [20:12] :) [20:12] thry're like rube goldberg machines: an awful lot of work tk amke a little point [20:12] that's.... very apt! [20:13] ;) [20:13] lol