[07:53] <knightwise> Morning peeps
[08:08] <diplo> Morning all
[08:20] <popey> Morning
[08:22] <SuperMatt> ning
[08:53] <foobarry> left my spotify streaming sebadoh  all night. think of all the royalties i gave them
[08:58] <SuperMatt> listen to this to make up for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J94Xb6j8-U
[09:00] <foobarry> popey: got any dashcam recommendations pls?
[09:00] <foobarry> my wife is bugging me for one
[09:01] <foobarry> i recall u showing a video of yours
[09:02] <popey> http://www.techmoan.com/guide-to-dashcams/ is the best place to learn
[09:03] <popey> mine is 2 years old now, he reviewed loads
[09:03] <popey> http://www.techmoan.com/what-is-the-best-dashcam/ specifically
[09:05] <foobarry> thanks. did u leave yours in the car all the time?
[09:12] <foobarry> #centos has an annoying mode where they kick you into an unregistered channel if you are not registered. except i am
[09:12] <popey> foobarry: I do
[09:13] <diplo> Yeah, tis why I left the channel foobarry - also never found the channel helpful
[09:13] <popey> foobarry: yeah, happens in other channels too if you get disconnected during a netsplit
[09:13] <foobarry> people seem to be talking about rear view mirror cams a bit now
[09:14] <popey> yeah, not sure why
[09:14] <SuperMatt> I guess you'd want one in case someone goes in to the back of you
[09:14] <popey> why?
[09:14] <SuperMatt> though by law that's always their fault
[09:14] <popey> right, not a lot point unless you live in russia
[09:14] <foobarry> no, they fix onto your rear view mirror
[09:14] <SuperMatt> I guess it could be so that you can show you weren't brake checking
[09:14] <popey> some dont
[09:14] <SuperMatt> oh right
[09:15] <foobarry> you can rotate in 180 deg though
[09:15] <foobarry> it allows better interaction with the cam
[09:15] <foobarry> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Falcon-Zero-HD-Accident-Dual-Camera/dp/B00E56WY18 e.g.
[09:16] <foobarry> "mirrorcam"
[09:18] <foobarry> not sure if my car allows the auto start/stop
[09:35] <popey> that looks way too bulky for my liking
[09:35] <popey> most cars do auto start/stop with the aux socket
[09:36] <foobarry> I'm trying to figure out how to wire up a dashcam to my Mk2.5(?) Focus (08 plate). I'm aware that cigar lighter and 12v aux socket are both permanent live and looking for a solution to getting ignition live.
[09:38] <foobarry> ^^ looks like my focus is "special"
[09:39] <popey> ah, so you need to run a wire to the fuse box I guess
[09:39] <foobarry> thats annoying
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Care Giver Appreciation Day! 😃 ❤
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:13] <SuperMatt> good morning mr brobostigon
[10:14] <brobostigon> morning Mr SuperMatt
[11:11] <foobarry> would it be an issue if a dashcam can't read number plates?
[11:11] <foobarry> seems like a lot of cheaper HD ones can't
[11:11] <foobarry> and most would struggle at night
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> i think most plod expect the driver to be able to read and remember the licence plate of the plonker who did x
[11:12] <diplo> Depends on you really doesn't it. From what I've heard most people use it as a backup to insurance claims/police and the people are still there
[11:13] <diplo> If you want to be able to catch someone you'll need to spend more :)
[11:13] <foobarry> as in "X was driving on wrong side of the road when the incident occurred"
[11:13] <foobarry> "X says he wasn't"
[11:13] <foobarry> "Y produces footage"
[11:14] <foobarry> the lack of "ignition on" is a pain, costs extra £40 for a kit to go straight to my fuse box
[11:14] <diplo> yeah, the cheap one would cover you fine on that I'd say. But if someone did a hit and run is where you want to spend more
[11:14] <diplo> But it's a one off cost and you can move it from car to car ?
[11:15] <foobarry> its still extra munneh i hadn't expected
[11:24] <foobarry> in light of recent phone rules in cars, can anyone recommend a phone dock?
[11:24] <popey> foobarry: being able to read numberplates seems like a minimum requirement
[11:25] <foobarry> i'll check on youtube. amazon video files suck
[11:26] <popey> foobarry: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B015VSA21C/ i have that one
[11:26] <foobarry> ta
[11:27] <popey> foobarry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWQ5GAr02A that was the video i previously shared showing video quality
[11:27] <popey> (note that youtube compressed it a bit)
[11:27] <foobarry> which cam was that?
[11:28] <popey> freeze frame 31 seconds you can clearly read the van numberplate
[11:28] <popey> which I'm passing at a bit of speed
[11:28] <popey> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00IPDD59W that one
[11:28] <popey>  29 June 2014  was when i ordered it, so getting on a bit now
[11:32] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM5IvetD0Gg doesn't quite get the number plates
[11:33] <popey> i see them at 8s
[11:34] <foobarry> almost
[11:34] <foobarry> not enough to read though?
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Phone in pocket & ignored. Safest way.
[11:35] <TwistedLucidity> Although I do sometimes Bluetooth it to the radio for listening to podcasts. Could do handsfree calling, but I rarely do.
[11:39] <diplo> ahah I just read back through the logs and was about to same the same as TwistedLucidity :)
[11:39] <diplo> I'm at the point now that I try not to answer it straight on purpose at anytime just because it's expected now.
[11:40] <TwistedLucidity> If a call is important, then it's worth your time to pull over and do it safely.
[11:41] <diplo> yep, or in my case I just get my eldest to answer it, but more often than not now I just don't bother until I reach where I am going
[11:54] <Laney> have the thing on silent then you won't even know
[11:55] <foobarry> sometimes on the motorway its important to receive or make a call
[11:55] <foobarry> my car has bluetooth integration for voice calls
[11:55] <foobarry> and "ok google, call my wife " works
[12:05] <popey> Before we had phones it wasn't important to receive or make calls in the car. Also, the hard shoulder is a thing.
[12:07] <diplo> That's how I feel now too
[12:13] <foobarry> also google navigation is much better than tomtom
[12:13] <foobarry> ok google, whats the traffic like
[12:13] <foobarry> "traffic is light, you should reach your destination in 30 minutes"
[12:14] <SuperMatt> Problem with google maps is that it still doesn't know my address, and my building has existed for a year and a half
[12:14] <diplo> Yeah I don't mind google maps so much as you don't need to interact with it, talking on a phone is different even in a holder imo but that's all it is my opinion :)
[12:14] <foobarry> well the phone is routing through my stereo
[12:15] <diplo> haha SuperMatt, hope you don't need a map to get home.
[12:15] <foobarry> so if you are needing a quick call to say you won't make the meeting because there's traffic..
[12:16] <foobarry> you aren't even allowed to touch the phone in stationary traffic any more
[12:16] <SuperMatt> That's fair though
[12:16] <SuperMatt> because I've seen people fiddling with their phone at the lights
[12:16] <SuperMatt> then they see the car in front move forward slightly so they start moving while still looking at their phone
[12:17] <foobarry> i hate that
[12:17] <foobarry> people do whatsapp when there's a 2s pause
[12:17] <foobarry> things are ridiculous now
[12:17] <foobarry> waiting for a bus on the A10 you see every type of behaviour in 5 mins
[12:18] <foobarry> kids jumping around in the back of the car without seatbelts
[12:18] <SuperMatt> I think what people need to start doing, if they have a modern android phone, is put it in to "do not disturb" mode when they get in to a car
[12:18] <SuperMatt> then you don't get vibrations from the messages
[12:18] <diplo> foobarry: If I was in that position I'd find somewhere to pull over to make the call, as I say that's me though, seen 2 accidents with people using their phones as the cause and a friend injured from someone not concentrating
[12:18] <foobarry> using their phones, or having a hands free conversation?
[12:18] <Dave> people need to just realise they're driving and the nofifications aren't that important.
[12:19] <diplo> My kids have never taken their belts off, I think most of our issues now adays are parenting issues
[12:19] <foobarry> not that i do hands free calls often
[12:19] <foobarry> sometimes its kinda necessary and need to be able to do it safely
[12:19] <diplo> Both afaik, one was in a meeting in the car
[12:20] <foobarry> yeah i think "having a meeting/chat" is liekly to cause lack of concentration
[12:20] <foobarry> i got a server with 6 gpu in it. but missing the specific power cables :(
[12:21] <diplo> Unstandard cables ?
[12:21] <foobarry> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-pcs-6-PIN-TO-6-PIN-PCIE-graphic-card-POWER-CABLE-CCBL-146H-9-ORIGINAL-/222373205521?hash=item33c679d611:g:lucAAOSwrklU7pje
[12:21] <foobarry> GPU power cables
[12:22] <diplo> ah right, I forget about stuff like that, not had new hardware in soooooo long
[12:22] <foobarry> they are kinda standard i think but not in our spares box
[12:23] <diplo> Matalan near you ?
[12:24] <foobarry> maplin?
[12:24] <diplo> What happened with your job hunting foobarry ? any luck ?
[12:24] <diplo> ahahahah yeah maplin, I'm tired sorry :)
[12:24] <foobarry> went for internal promotion
[12:24] <foobarry> waiting to hear
[12:26] <diplo> Good luck!
[12:58] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: TomTom doesn't have live traffic? Strange, our Garmin does
[13:01] <TwistedLucidity> Hands-free use of a mobile is also unsafe. Situation will change when we have fully autonomous cars though.
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> then you'll just have to worry about your gaining sentience and wanting to kill you
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> *your car
[13:10] <TwistedLucidity> Never name your robo car "Christine"
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> you'd rather be killed by herbie?
[13:16] <DJones> TwistedLucidity: My TomTom has live traffic, but needs to be connected to a mobile phone by bluetooth to get the live traffic info
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> they tried updates by pigeons but drivers just complained about all the extra pigeon packets all over their cars :-P
[13:25] <TwistedLucidity> DJones: Huh, our Garmin just seems to do it. Must be tied in with Trafficmaster or something
[13:27] <DJones> Could be I guess, My TomTom needs the use of mobile data
[14:14] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wmIyD1fM4M looks like a good dual function dash cam /action cam
[14:14] <foobarry> better reg plate footage
[14:15] <foobarry> good night footage
[14:15] <foobarry> think i'm gonna get this
[14:17] <foobarry> argh there's a windows only app to change settings
[14:20] <foobarry> ah, it dumps a config.txt file you can change settings on linux
[14:27] <diddledan> lol @ config.txt - why don't people build devices with real configuration file formats?!
[14:27] <diddledan> even ini would be better than txt
[14:27] <diddledan> yaml seems to be the new hotness right now
[14:30] <zmoylan-pi> no... it needs a registry that you have to edit live... :-P
[14:30] <diddledan> :-o
[14:31]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how you update the firmware without the windows software...
[14:33]  * zmoylan-pi loves a good ini file... there's often documentation in there that lets you find hidden features
[15:17] <TwistedLucidity> Well, supporting Windows gets them 90+% percent of the market. Can't really blame them.
[15:18] <TwistedLucidity> (I had to use Windows to transfer new firmware to a printer - total pain)
[15:19] <TwistedLucidity> And it was a total pain because the firmware installer didn't work, so hackery was involved (thanks, HP)
[15:20] <diddledan> speaking of which, wasn't there a vulnerability in pretty much every wifi printer a while back?
[15:20] <diddledan> I forgot to check whether mine was affected and now I can't remember the specifics to google for it
[15:20] <TwistedLucidity> Can't recall, never see the point of a WiFi printer
[15:21] <foobarry> so you can print from your laptop
[15:21] <foobarry> to a printer under your bed
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> it's so you can count script kiddies in your area who print rude/weird things on your insecure printer :-P
[15:21] <foobarry> at least thats where my printer is. it magically spits out pages from under the bed
[15:22] <knightwise> foobarry: lol
[15:22] <diddledan> looks like mine stopped getting updates - the most recent firmware is 2014 :-(
[15:22] <knightwise> Since i'm using a laptop 99 percent of the time , printing via wifi/over the network is mandatory
[15:23] <TwistedLucidity> If I want a WiFi printer, I can just wire the thing to the LAN
[15:23] <TwistedLucidity> Or USB it to a RasPi
[15:23] <daftykins> cables \o/
[15:23] <zmoylan-pi> with scrap value when brexit goes wrong... :-P
[15:23] <diddledan> wifi isn't the draw of a wifi printer, it's the networking itself - most wifi printers come with an ethernet rj45
[15:24] <TwistedLucidity> And don't forget to block the printer's access to WAN
[15:24] <diddledan> then you can't print from google
[15:25] <TwistedLucidity> Why on Earth would I ever want to do that?
[15:25] <knightwise> I use google print a lot. I get an invoice in my mailbox at work , press print and boom , i have it printed out at home
[15:25] <foobarry> why on google earth?
[15:25] <knightwise> Its extremely convenient when you need to keep track of your invoices
[15:25] <diddledan> yeah google cloud print is handy
[15:26] <TwistedLucidity> The invoice is electronic; why not just use the PC to keep track of it?
[15:26] <diddledan> at a client site you can prod a button on your smartphone and get a print-out for when you get home
[15:26] <popey> foobarry: amusingly I just grabbed the sd card out of my car to look at the footage from it...
[15:26] <foobarry> ..
[15:26] <popey> I put the car in long term parking at gatwick this week
[15:26] <diddledan> popey: did you crash?
[15:26] <knightwise> Its odd , but Mint runs better in a VM on my XPS13 runnign windows 10 then it did natively on the machine
[15:26] <popey> was fun watching the video from the guy moving the car in the car park
[15:26] <foobarry> was he singing
[15:26] <foobarry> i thought your cam broke?
[15:27] <popey> no, but when reversing he did mutter "Can't see a fscking thing!"
[15:27] <diddledan> lol
[15:27] <diddledan> you need to clean your windows? :-p
[15:27] <popey> it was 6am and raining
[15:27] <daftykins> knightwise: not a surprise :) no idea why anyone touches that distro anymore
[15:27] <diddledan> aaah
[15:28] <diddledan> I don't like mint
[15:28] <diddledan> they recompile _some_ things and break other things in the ubuntu repo which are supposed to be compatible
[15:29] <daftykins> yip
[15:29] <foobarry> popey: was the cam u linked to your old one?
[15:29] <daftykins> think they hold back security fixes too?
[15:29] <diddledan> I mean they recompile things and put in THEIR repo with a higher priority than the buntu repo and then when you install a supposedly compatible thing which comes from the buntu repo it just fails
[15:29] <foobarry> i thought it fell ovff and smashed
[15:29] <ali1234> all distributions break things
[15:29] <popey> ooh, i think they looked in my boot!
[15:30] <daftykins> well even if they do, there's no good reason to run Mint
[15:30] <ali1234> i don't believe it is possible to make the perfect distribution where everything works the way upstream intended
[15:30] <diddledan> popey: good job you moved the body!
[15:30] <foobarry> mint is ubuntu + cinnamon innit?
[15:31] <TwistedLucidity> Mint has flavours
[15:31] <foobarry> i ran it for a while during the DE wilderness caused by gnome3 and unity
[15:31] <daftykins> yeah in the early days folk went to it for that desktop, but there's no good reason to now
[15:31] <foobarry> even in those days i tried ubuntu with cinnamon ppa
[15:32] <daftykins> they do have their own repos for some things though so it's not truly Ubuntu at the base, like diddledan said
[15:32] <daftykins> doesn't stop them coming into Ubuntu channels begging for help :)
[15:32] <m0nkey_> For the IRCCloud users: comic sans
[15:32] <diddledan> m0nkey_: grr
[15:33] <daftykins> XD
[16:16] <Azelphur> just as I was about to buy a shiny AMD Ryzen rig, IOMMU groups are silly on all the boards apparently
[16:16] <Azelphur> :<
[16:17] <daftykins> as exciting as it is that AMD no longer suck and trail behind, being an early invester before the motherboard makers undoubtedly iron out a load of bugs would be a pretty unwise move
[16:17] <diddledan> hmm?
[16:17] <daftykins> especially for you as a Linux user...
[16:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: waiting for level1tech to test it out, they are very Linuxy :)
[16:18] <daftykins> only kernel 4.10 released the other day even got good support added :>
[16:18] <daftykins> what, the data centre folk?
[16:18] <diddledan> youtube
[16:18] <daftykins> oh i'm thinking of level3, heh
[16:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: youtube channel, ran by a guy called wendel, but he's very good.
[16:19] <Azelphur> knows his stuff :)
[16:19] <daftykins> still, you'd get anecdotal evidence about only the boards looked at
[16:19] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, but he's in a position to be like "Send review boards kthx" and then he'll be testing IOMMU and PCI passthrough
[16:19] <Azelphur> so, just waiting for him to go "Yep, this one"
[16:20] <daftykins> mmhmm
[16:20] <daftykins> ah well, you seem to enjoy purchase risk ;)
[16:20] <Azelphur> daftykins: I shall have you know that I have purchased multiple expensive hardware devices on the basis of no support.
[16:20] <Azelphur> I'm persistant :)
[16:33] <daftykins> hah
[16:34] <daftykins> i just bought a Linksys SPA-3102 that i'm hoping to mess about with the distro FreePBX, hooking up my landline to IP phones via said distro and so on
[16:34] <daftykins> should be a bit of fun / hair tearing out
[16:36] <Azelphur> daftykins: I'm gonna start playing with asterisk and such for the first time soon I think
[16:36] <Azelphur> want to make a smart doorbell from a pi, so have it video calling out
[16:36] <daftykins> yarr same thing then essentially
[16:36] <daftykins> also got a Cisco IP phone on the way for the desk
[16:36] <Azelphur> fun :)
[16:37] <Azelphur> dunno whether asterisk is over kill, all I really want is the doorbell to be able to ring a bunch of people, and the first one to answer it gets the call
[16:37] <daftykins> what would they be getting the calls on?
[16:37] <Azelphur> SIP clients, phones and desktops
[16:38] <Azelphur> they have to be video devices, so nothing like a cisco phone
[16:39] <daftykins> so far i haven't even been able to get a softphone connecting to the PBX XD
[16:40] <daftykins> doesn't help that the little blighter has fail2ban and firewalling as default, so you try to log in too fast and ban yourself...
[16:41] <Azelphur> ah
[17:38] <diddledan_> netsplit?
[17:39] <daftykins> not that i see
[17:39] <diddledan_> why I clone then?
[17:40] <daftykins> guess we'll see your other self ping timeout in a moment
[17:41] <diddledan_> I presume so, yeah
[17:44] <diddledan> t'were a netsplit
[17:46] <daftykins> ah har
[17:46] <daftykins> tbh you should've known directly from being able to chat but being very lonely :D
[17:48] <diddledan> I wasn't lonely prior - I just reconnected randomly, so I surmised the server had died
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[18:52] <diddledan> tis funny
[18:53] <diddledan> the funny bit is when the little girl wins
[19:59] <foobarry> anyone got a pi zero wifi yet?
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> wouldn't they be busy playing with their new toy if they had... :-)
[20:11] <diddledan> lightning?!
[20:11] <diddledan> wtf??
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> you've angered thor diddledan, what did you do?!
[20:13] <diddledan> I have no idea
[20:14] <diddledan> I was just sat here minding my own business and then all moo broke loose
[20:53] <diddledan> someone hasn't heard of semver: https://twitter.com/ag_dubs/status/837767825322348547
[20:57] <diddledan> so who misses lookout express?
[20:57] <diddledan> and what about the active desktop from IE4???
[20:58] <diddledan> I want my widgets!
[21:00] <daftykins> i've recently been fighting folks away from even Thunderbird since it's such a Tuxawful mess
[21:01] <diddledan> gmail ftw?
[21:02] <diddledan> I think we need a new law "anything that can be moved to the web/html-app will be moved to the web"
[21:03] <diddledan> I shall call it the diddletheorem or diddle's razor
[21:05] <m0nkey_> How to annoy the diddledan .. comic sans :-D
[21:06] <diddledan> grr
[21:06] <diddledan> my to-smite list might be gaining a new entry :-p
[21:06] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah i did move one guy to gmail, then his brother (my main client) teased him about privacy and all that rubbish
[21:06] <daftykins> and it's like, heh yeah he totally needs to be safe emailing his kids
[21:06] <diddledan> privacy is not important
[21:07] <diddledan> who cares if google+gchq know I'm into midgets
[21:07] <diddledan> as long as they don't tell anyone..
[21:07] <m0nkey_> I moved away from Gmail
[21:08] <diddledan> I try others but keep going back
[21:08] <m0nkey_> fastmail
[21:09] <diddledan> fastmail, because email needs to be FAST!
[21:09] <m0nkey_> I'm serious, these  guys are good.
[21:09] <diddledan> "we deliver your email within 10 seconds of you hitting send. unless we don't, but it is still fast at not getting sent!"
[21:09] <m0nkey_> I got a 10% off discount if you want it
[21:10] <diddledan> I'm only trollin :-p
[21:10] <diddledan> trollin trollin trollin, keep them dawgies movin, rawhide!
[21:10] <m0nkey_> Don't make me comic sans you again.
[21:10] <diddledan> grr
[21:11] <m0nkey_> Anywho.. 10% off Fastmail if anyone is interested.. https://www.fastmail.com/?STKI=16650625
[21:13] <m0nkey_> Wow, this guy bought a Rolex while he was in the Army for just over $100 USD. It has been appraised at over $65,000 USD .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0mRLcGbU8&feature=youtu.be
[21:15] <diddledan> cookies: https://twitter.com/ICSandwichGuy/status/837773368464191489
[22:22] <marshmn> +1 for FastMail
[22:23] <daftykins> m0nkey_: crikey
[22:23] <marshmn> not only for the email, but also for the calendars & contacts syncing etc...
[22:23] <marshmn> sync nicely with Thunderbird and my phone at least
[22:24] <daftykins> i'm ok with G Suite (google apps), syncing from my android phone(s) and relying on the web interface
[22:24] <daftykins> not really fussed by having a client
[22:24] <marshmn> fair enough
[22:24] <daftykins> i've got a client in finance who can't have anything hosted outside of the UK though
[22:25] <daftykins> i went with hosted MS Exchange for him from simplymailsolutions.com - but those guys can be pretty poor at times
[22:25] <daftykins> oh - on the completely different topic of UK mobile telcos, is anyone with Three in the London and Manchester area and know how the coverage is compared with O2?
[22:26] <m0nkey_> I switched to FM late last year. Transition wasn't easy and had to get used to a new work flow.  But it's all good now :-)
[22:26] <daftykins> i'm thinking of switching a client to Three from O2 as they have quite good rates for using your data + call allowances when in the US, Spain, and here in Guernsey
[22:26] <m0nkey_> I still use Google for calendar and contacts
[22:26] <daftykins> ah right
[22:27] <m0nkey_> I plan to deactivate the Gmail in my Google account middle of April.  Everything of mine should be migrated to the new address by then.