=== pavlushka is now known as whizzkid === whizzkid is now known as pavlushka [07:53] Morning peeps [08:08] Morning all [08:20] Morning [08:22] ning [08:53] left my spotify streaming sebadoh all night. think of all the royalties i gave them [08:58] listen to this to make up for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J94Xb6j8-U [09:00] popey: got any dashcam recommendations pls? [09:00] my wife is bugging me for one [09:01] i recall u showing a video of yours [09:02] http://www.techmoan.com/guide-to-dashcams/ is the best place to learn [09:03] mine is 2 years old now, he reviewed loads [09:03] http://www.techmoan.com/what-is-the-best-dashcam/ specifically [09:05] thanks. did u leave yours in the car all the time? [09:12] #centos has an annoying mode where they kick you into an unregistered channel if you are not registered. except i am [09:12] foobarry: I do [09:13] Yeah, tis why I left the channel foobarry - also never found the channel helpful [09:13] foobarry: yeah, happens in other channels too if you get disconnected during a netsplit [09:13] people seem to be talking about rear view mirror cams a bit now [09:14] yeah, not sure why [09:14] I guess you'd want one in case someone goes in to the back of you [09:14] why? [09:14] though by law that's always their fault [09:14] right, not a lot point unless you live in russia [09:14] no, they fix onto your rear view mirror [09:14] I guess it could be so that you can show you weren't brake checking [09:14] some dont [09:14] oh right [09:15] you can rotate in 180 deg though [09:15] it allows better interaction with the cam [09:15] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Falcon-Zero-HD-Accident-Dual-Camera/dp/B00E56WY18 e.g. [09:16] "mirrorcam" [09:18] not sure if my car allows the auto start/stop [09:35] that looks way too bulky for my liking [09:35] most cars do auto start/stop with the aux socket [09:36] I'm trying to figure out how to wire up a dashcam to my Mk2.5(?) Focus (08 plate). I'm aware that cigar lighter and 12v aux socket are both permanent live and looking for a solution to getting ignition live. === JamesTait is now known as Guest5139 === Guest5139 is now known as JamesTait [09:38] ^^ looks like my focus is "special" [09:39] ah, so you need to run a wire to the fuse box I guess [09:39] thats annoying [09:46] Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Care Giver Appreciation Day! 😃 ❤ [10:10] morning boys and girls. [10:13] good morning mr brobostigon [10:14] morning Mr SuperMatt [11:11] would it be an issue if a dashcam can't read number plates? [11:11] seems like a lot of cheaper HD ones can't [11:11] and most would struggle at night [11:12] i think most plod expect the driver to be able to read and remember the licence plate of the plonker who did x [11:12] Depends on you really doesn't it. From what I've heard most people use it as a backup to insurance claims/police and the people are still there [11:13] If you want to be able to catch someone you'll need to spend more :) [11:13] as in "X was driving on wrong side of the road when the incident occurred" [11:13] "X says he wasn't" [11:13] "Y produces footage" [11:14] the lack of "ignition on" is a pain, costs extra £40 for a kit to go straight to my fuse box [11:14] yeah, the cheap one would cover you fine on that I'd say. But if someone did a hit and run is where you want to spend more [11:14] But it's a one off cost and you can move it from car to car ? [11:15] its still extra munneh i hadn't expected [11:24] in light of recent phone rules in cars, can anyone recommend a phone dock? [11:24] foobarry: being able to read numberplates seems like a minimum requirement [11:25] i'll check on youtube. amazon video files suck [11:26] foobarry: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B015VSA21C/ i have that one [11:26] ta [11:27] foobarry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWQ5GAr02A that was the video i previously shared showing video quality [11:27] (note that youtube compressed it a bit) [11:27] which cam was that? [11:28] freeze frame 31 seconds you can clearly read the van numberplate [11:28] which I'm passing at a bit of speed [11:28] https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00IPDD59W that one [11:28] 29 June 2014 was when i ordered it, so getting on a bit now [11:32] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM5IvetD0Gg doesn't quite get the number plates [11:33] i see them at 8s [11:34] almost [11:34] not enough to read though? [11:35] foobarry: Phone in pocket & ignored. Safest way. [11:35] Although I do sometimes Bluetooth it to the radio for listening to podcasts. Could do handsfree calling, but I rarely do. [11:39] ahah I just read back through the logs and was about to same the same as TwistedLucidity :) [11:39] I'm at the point now that I try not to answer it straight on purpose at anytime just because it's expected now. [11:40] If a call is important, then it's worth your time to pull over and do it safely. [11:41] yep, or in my case I just get my eldest to answer it, but more often than not now I just don't bother until I reach where I am going [11:54] have the thing on silent then you won't even know [11:55] sometimes on the motorway its important to receive or make a call [11:55] my car has bluetooth integration for voice calls [11:55] and "ok google, call my wife " works [12:05] Before we had phones it wasn't important to receive or make calls in the car. Also, the hard shoulder is a thing. [12:07] That's how I feel now too [12:13] also google navigation is much better than tomtom [12:13] ok google, whats the traffic like [12:13] "traffic is light, you should reach your destination in 30 minutes" [12:14] Problem with google maps is that it still doesn't know my address, and my building has existed for a year and a half [12:14] Yeah I don't mind google maps so much as you don't need to interact with it, talking on a phone is different even in a holder imo but that's all it is my opinion :) [12:14] well the phone is routing through my stereo [12:15] haha SuperMatt, hope you don't need a map to get home. [12:15] so if you are needing a quick call to say you won't make the meeting because there's traffic.. [12:16] you aren't even allowed to touch the phone in stationary traffic any more [12:16] That's fair though [12:16] because I've seen people fiddling with their phone at the lights [12:16] then they see the car in front move forward slightly so they start moving while still looking at their phone [12:17] i hate that [12:17] people do whatsapp when there's a 2s pause [12:17] things are ridiculous now [12:17] waiting for a bus on the A10 you see every type of behaviour in 5 mins [12:18] kids jumping around in the back of the car without seatbelts [12:18] I think what people need to start doing, if they have a modern android phone, is put it in to "do not disturb" mode when they get in to a car [12:18] then you don't get vibrations from the messages [12:18] foobarry: If I was in that position I'd find somewhere to pull over to make the call, as I say that's me though, seen 2 accidents with people using their phones as the cause and a friend injured from someone not concentrating [12:18] using their phones, or having a hands free conversation? [12:18] people need to just realise they're driving and the nofifications aren't that important. [12:19] My kids have never taken their belts off, I think most of our issues now adays are parenting issues [12:19] not that i do hands free calls often [12:19] sometimes its kinda necessary and need to be able to do it safely [12:19] Both afaik, one was in a meeting in the car [12:20] yeah i think "having a meeting/chat" is liekly to cause lack of concentration [12:20] i got a server with 6 gpu in it. but missing the specific power cables :( [12:21] Unstandard cables ? [12:21] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-pcs-6-PIN-TO-6-PIN-PCIE-graphic-card-POWER-CABLE-CCBL-146H-9-ORIGINAL-/222373205521?hash=item33c679d611:g:lucAAOSwrklU7pje [12:21] GPU power cables [12:22] ah right, I forget about stuff like that, not had new hardware in soooooo long [12:22] they are kinda standard i think but not in our spares box [12:23] Matalan near you ? [12:24] maplin? [12:24] What happened with your job hunting foobarry ? any luck ? [12:24] ahahahah yeah maplin, I'm tired sorry :) [12:24] went for internal promotion [12:24] waiting to hear [12:26] Good luck! [12:58] foobarry: TomTom doesn't have live traffic? Strange, our Garmin does [13:01] Hands-free use of a mobile is also unsafe. Situation will change when we have fully autonomous cars though. [13:09] then you'll just have to worry about your gaining sentience and wanting to kill you [13:09] *your car [13:10] Never name your robo car "Christine" [13:13] you'd rather be killed by herbie? [13:16] TwistedLucidity: My TomTom has live traffic, but needs to be connected to a mobile phone by bluetooth to get the live traffic info [13:20] they tried updates by pigeons but drivers just complained about all the extra pigeon packets all over their cars :-P [13:25] DJones: Huh, our Garmin just seems to do it. Must be tied in with Trafficmaster or something [13:27] Could be I guess, My TomTom needs the use of mobile data [14:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wmIyD1fM4M looks like a good dual function dash cam /action cam [14:14] better reg plate footage [14:15] good night footage [14:15] think i'm gonna get this [14:17] argh there's a windows only app to change settings [14:20] ah, it dumps a config.txt file you can change settings on linux [14:27] lol @ config.txt - why don't people build devices with real configuration file formats?! [14:27] even ini would be better than txt [14:27] yaml seems to be the new hotness right now [14:30] no... it needs a registry that you have to edit live... :-P [14:30] :-o [14:31] * zmoylan-pi wonders how you update the firmware without the windows software... [14:33] * zmoylan-pi loves a good ini file... there's often documentation in there that lets you find hidden features [15:17] Well, supporting Windows gets them 90+% percent of the market. Can't really blame them. [15:18] (I had to use Windows to transfer new firmware to a printer - total pain) [15:19] And it was a total pain because the firmware installer didn't work, so hackery was involved (thanks, HP) [15:20] speaking of which, wasn't there a vulnerability in pretty much every wifi printer a while back? [15:20] I forgot to check whether mine was affected and now I can't remember the specifics to google for it [15:20] Can't recall, never see the point of a WiFi printer [15:21] so you can print from your laptop [15:21] to a printer under your bed [15:21] it's so you can count script kiddies in your area who print rude/weird things on your insecure printer :-P [15:21] at least thats where my printer is. it magically spits out pages from under the bed [15:22] foobarry: lol [15:22] looks like mine stopped getting updates - the most recent firmware is 2014 :-( [15:22] Since i'm using a laptop 99 percent of the time , printing via wifi/over the network is mandatory [15:23] If I want a WiFi printer, I can just wire the thing to the LAN [15:23] Or USB it to a RasPi [15:23] cables \o/ [15:23] with scrap value when brexit goes wrong... :-P [15:23] wifi isn't the draw of a wifi printer, it's the networking itself - most wifi printers come with an ethernet rj45 [15:24] And don't forget to block the printer's access to WAN [15:24] then you can't print from google [15:25] Why on Earth would I ever want to do that? [15:25] I use google print a lot. I get an invoice in my mailbox at work , press print and boom , i have it printed out at home [15:25] why on google earth? [15:25] Its extremely convenient when you need to keep track of your invoices [15:25] yeah google cloud print is handy [15:26] The invoice is electronic; why not just use the PC to keep track of it? [15:26] at a client site you can prod a button on your smartphone and get a print-out for when you get home [15:26] foobarry: amusingly I just grabbed the sd card out of my car to look at the footage from it... [15:26] .. [15:26] I put the car in long term parking at gatwick this week [15:26] popey: did you crash? [15:26] Its odd , but Mint runs better in a VM on my XPS13 runnign windows 10 then it did natively on the machine [15:26] was fun watching the video from the guy moving the car in the car park [15:26] was he singing [15:26] i thought your cam broke? [15:27] no, but when reversing he did mutter "Can't see a fscking thing!" [15:27] lol [15:27] you need to clean your windows? :-p [15:27] it was 6am and raining [15:27] knightwise: not a surprise :) no idea why anyone touches that distro anymore [15:27] aaah [15:28] I don't like mint [15:28] they recompile _some_ things and break other things in the ubuntu repo which are supposed to be compatible [15:29] yip [15:29] popey: was the cam u linked to your old one? [15:29] think they hold back security fixes too? [15:29] I mean they recompile things and put in THEIR repo with a higher priority than the buntu repo and then when you install a supposedly compatible thing which comes from the buntu repo it just fails [15:29] i thought it fell ovff and smashed [15:29] all distributions break things [15:29] ooh, i think they looked in my boot! [15:30] well even if they do, there's no good reason to run Mint [15:30] i don't believe it is possible to make the perfect distribution where everything works the way upstream intended [15:30] popey: good job you moved the body! [15:30] mint is ubuntu + cinnamon innit? [15:31] Mint has flavours [15:31] i ran it for a while during the DE wilderness caused by gnome3 and unity [15:31] yeah in the early days folk went to it for that desktop, but there's no good reason to now [15:31] even in those days i tried ubuntu with cinnamon ppa [15:32] they do have their own repos for some things though so it's not truly Ubuntu at the base, like diddledan said [15:32] doesn't stop them coming into Ubuntu channels begging for help :) [15:32] For the IRCCloud users: comic sans [15:32] m0nkey_: grr [15:33] XD [16:16] just as I was about to buy a shiny AMD Ryzen rig, IOMMU groups are silly on all the boards apparently [16:16] :< [16:17] as exciting as it is that AMD no longer suck and trail behind, being an early invester before the motherboard makers undoubtedly iron out a load of bugs would be a pretty unwise move [16:17] hmm? [16:17] especially for you as a Linux user... [16:18] daftykins: waiting for level1tech to test it out, they are very Linuxy :) [16:18] only kernel 4.10 released the other day even got good support added :> [16:18] what, the data centre folk? [16:18] youtube [16:18] oh i'm thinking of level3, heh [16:18] daftykins: youtube channel, ran by a guy called wendel, but he's very good. [16:19] knows his stuff :) [16:19] still, you'd get anecdotal evidence about only the boards looked at [16:19] daftykins: yea, but he's in a position to be like "Send review boards kthx" and then he'll be testing IOMMU and PCI passthrough [16:19] so, just waiting for him to go "Yep, this one" [16:20] mmhmm [16:20] ah well, you seem to enjoy purchase risk ;) [16:20] daftykins: I shall have you know that I have purchased multiple expensive hardware devices on the basis of no support. [16:20] I'm persistant :) [16:33] hah [16:34] i just bought a Linksys SPA-3102 that i'm hoping to mess about with the distro FreePBX, hooking up my landline to IP phones via said distro and so on [16:34] should be a bit of fun / hair tearing out [16:36] daftykins: I'm gonna start playing with asterisk and such for the first time soon I think [16:36] want to make a smart doorbell from a pi, so have it video calling out [16:36] yarr same thing then essentially [16:36] also got a Cisco IP phone on the way for the desk [16:36] fun :) [16:37] dunno whether asterisk is over kill, all I really want is the doorbell to be able to ring a bunch of people, and the first one to answer it gets the call [16:37] what would they be getting the calls on? [16:37] SIP clients, phones and desktops [16:38] they have to be video devices, so nothing like a cisco phone [16:39] so far i haven't even been able to get a softphone connecting to the PBX XD [16:40] doesn't help that the little blighter has fail2ban and firewalling as default, so you try to log in too fast and ban yourself... [16:41] ah [17:38] netsplit? [17:39] not that i see [17:39] why I clone then? [17:40] guess we'll see your other self ping timeout in a moment [17:41] I presume so, yeah === diddledan_ is now known as diddledan [17:44] t'were a netsplit [17:46] ah har [17:46] tbh you should've known directly from being able to chat but being very lonely :D [17:48] I wasn't lonely prior - I just reconnected randomly, so I surmised the server had died [18:52] https://twitter.com/Brexitannia2017/status/837736903575236608 [18:52] tis funny [18:53] the funny bit is when the little girl wins [19:59] anyone got a pi zero wifi yet? [19:59] wouldn't they be busy playing with their new toy if they had... :-) [20:11] lightning?! [20:11] wtf?? [20:13] you've angered thor diddledan, what did you do?! [20:13] I have no idea [20:14] I was just sat here minding my own business and then all moo broke loose [20:53] someone hasn't heard of semver: https://twitter.com/ag_dubs/status/837767825322348547 [20:57] so who misses lookout express? [20:57] and what about the active desktop from IE4??? [20:58] I want my widgets! [21:00] i've recently been fighting folks away from even Thunderbird since it's such a Tuxawful mess [21:01] gmail ftw? [21:02] I think we need a new law "anything that can be moved to the web/html-app will be moved to the web" [21:03] I shall call it the diddletheorem or diddle's razor [21:05] How to annoy the diddledan .. comic sans :-D [21:06] grr [21:06] my to-smite list might be gaining a new entry :-p [21:06] diddledan: yeah i did move one guy to gmail, then his brother (my main client) teased him about privacy and all that rubbish [21:06] and it's like, heh yeah he totally needs to be safe emailing his kids [21:06] privacy is not important [21:07] who cares if google+gchq know I'm into midgets [21:07] as long as they don't tell anyone.. [21:07] I moved away from Gmail [21:08] I try others but keep going back [21:08] fastmail [21:09] fastmail, because email needs to be FAST! [21:09] I'm serious, these guys are good. [21:09] "we deliver your email within 10 seconds of you hitting send. unless we don't, but it is still fast at not getting sent!" [21:09] I got a 10% off discount if you want it [21:10] I'm only trollin :-p [21:10] trollin trollin trollin, keep them dawgies movin, rawhide! [21:10] Don't make me comic sans you again. [21:10] grr [21:11] Anywho.. 10% off Fastmail if anyone is interested.. https://www.fastmail.com/?STKI=16650625 [21:13] Wow, this guy bought a Rolex while he was in the Army for just over $100 USD. It has been appraised at over $65,000 USD .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0mRLcGbU8&feature=youtu.be [21:15] cookies: https://twitter.com/ICSandwichGuy/status/837773368464191489 [22:22] +1 for FastMail [22:23] m0nkey_: crikey [22:23] not only for the email, but also for the calendars & contacts syncing etc... [22:23] sync nicely with Thunderbird and my phone at least [22:24] i'm ok with G Suite (google apps), syncing from my android phone(s) and relying on the web interface [22:24] not really fussed by having a client [22:24] fair enough [22:24] i've got a client in finance who can't have anything hosted outside of the UK though [22:25] i went with hosted MS Exchange for him from simplymailsolutions.com - but those guys can be pretty poor at times [22:25] oh - on the completely different topic of UK mobile telcos, is anyone with Three in the London and Manchester area and know how the coverage is compared with O2? [22:26] I switched to FM late last year. Transition wasn't easy and had to get used to a new work flow. But it's all good now :-) [22:26] i'm thinking of switching a client to Three from O2 as they have quite good rates for using your data + call allowances when in the US, Spain, and here in Guernsey [22:26] I still use Google for calendar and contacts [22:26] ah right [22:27] I plan to deactivate the Gmail in my Google account middle of April. Everything of mine should be migrated to the new address by then.