[00:03] <Perigee> Ok it doesnt like my wireless keyboard when I hit Esc. But a generic wired one is fine. *shrug*
[00:06] <loula> hi
[00:06] <Perigee> loula: Howdy
[00:07] <loula> hey, how can you know a problem is software or hardware-related?
[00:08] <loula> my computer makes me crazy
[00:08] <Perigee> What kind of problem?
[00:08] <loula> it wont connect to the network
[00:09] <loula> well, it did, and it just stopped
[00:09] <Perigee> Wired or wifi?
[00:10] <loula> i've had wifi issues last week, whenever i connected the network via wifi and a dongle the sydtem freezed and went unuseable until i hard-rebooted it
[00:10] <loula> i then used wired connection, went fine from last saturday until now
[00:10] <loula> now it just wont connect
[00:12] <Perigee> Have you tried booting the Xubuntu installer and run it in "Try Xubuntu" mode? If it works with that, I would point towards an OS issue on your system. If it doesn't work, I'd point towards hardware. Especially if it worked in the past.
[00:12] <loula> ill try that
[00:12] <loula> the wifi issue persisted through a formatting
[00:13] <Unit193> A different OS/kernel version might be useful for testing.
[00:14] <Perigee> Could be flaky drivers for the wifi dongle too. Depends on the chip (and in my experience always one of the biggest issues in Linux). For examply my laptop right now has a Broadcom chip that is supposed to work... but doesn't. Both with the "wl" or "b43" drivers. Go figure.
[00:14] <loula> i dont understand much
[00:14] <loula> i have no other to test
[00:15] <Unit193> Perigee: That's fun.  I presume you looked at the Ubuntu wiki on b43 and the different versions?
[00:16] <Perigee> Unit193: Yeah, it's not an Ubuntu thing 'cause I had the same problems with other distros. The chip activates, makes an interface, but never shows any networks when you scan, nor allows you to manually enter one. I submitted a bug/plea to the b43 devel list so far, but no response.
[00:17] <Unit193> Fun indeed then.  I have an older one, other than needing to get drivers not really had much issue with it (at least, the issues I had I doubt are firmware/drivers. :P )
[00:18] <Perigee> Unit193: And even weirder the proprietary "wl" drivers from Broadcom do the same thing.
[00:18] <Perigee> So I use a USB dongle. Bleh.
[00:18] <Unit193> loula: If you're using Yakkety, then I'd try Xenial though typically if you have newer hardware, you want to go newer for "better" support.
[00:19] <Perigee> loula: I'd try booting with the "Try Xubuntu" like I mentioned, or even try another distro's live CD method as well, and report back
[00:19] <loula> i tryed with xu16.10 live usb
[00:19] <loula> gives me the same thing
[00:19] <loula> i have no other live os to test
[00:20] <loula> im on a phone right now
[00:20] <Perigee> Ah
[00:20] <Perigee> Can you load a different distro on the live usb?
[00:20] <Perigee> Or a different version like 16.04
[00:21] <loula> without internet on the computer it seems difficult
[00:22] <Perigee> Can you run "dmesg | grep fail" and look for any results?
[00:23] <loula> im rebooting, i tell you that
[00:23] <Perigee> brb
[00:27] <loula> it says : " [   0.504520] acpi PNP0A03:00: _OSC failed (AE_NOT_FOUND); disabling ASPM"
[00:33] <loula> wtf
[00:33] <loula> ah no
[00:33] <knome> please remember this is a family-friendly channel (:
[00:33] <loula> sorry
[00:37] <loula> thunar started acting weird
[00:37] <loula> but it stopped
[00:50] <loula> im downloading a xubuntu16.04 image on my phone, lets see how it goes
[00:50] <Unit193> Not gonna lie, that sounds a bit painful.
[00:51] <knome> a bit?
[00:51] <Unit193> I lied, it sounds very painful.
[00:51] <loula> tbh the most painful part is connecting my phone to my computer
[00:51] <loula> it doesnt plug well
[00:52] <loula> (yeah i dream of well-working stuff)
[00:52] <loula> (maybe next life)
[00:52] <knome> just fall back to a dumbphone so you don't have to worry about connectivity!
[00:53] <knome> hmm, the exclamation point made it sound like a joke...
[00:55] <loula> i would have no way to connect to internet when my computerhgates me
[00:55] <loula> when my computer hates me*
[00:56] <Perigee> loula you sound plagued with issues :(
[00:56] <knome> well.. then you have no internet worries either :)
[00:57] <loula> Perigee, i think i inherited my grandma's curse with all technological thing
[00:58] <knome> loula, btw, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for general chatter;)
[00:58] <loula> and knome yeah, that's true
[00:59] <loula> (the internet worries)
[00:59] <loula> on-topic, i now have a xubuntu 16.04 on the machine
[01:01] <Unit193> grml-rescueboot and he can just drop the iso in /boot/grml/ and update grub.
[01:09] <loula> how does one upgrade grub?
[01:09] <Unit193> `sudo update-grub`
[01:15] <loula> i dont seem to have any grml-rescueboot package installed
[01:28] <loula> is there a partitionning program coming with xubuntu?
[01:29] <loula> doing the same kind of thing than gparted
[01:37] <loula> i'm looking to formatting a usb stick to make it a xubuntu live usb
[01:37] <loula> but i cant find a program that does that
[01:37] <loula> without an internet connection at least
[01:40] <bazhang> do you have the live usb
[01:41] <bazhang> what OS are you currently using to get on irc
[01:42] <loula> im on my phone, my computer doesnt connect to the network
[01:43] <bazhang> so there are not any networked computers anywhere in your home
[01:44] <loula> i have a usb stick i want to format to make it a live usb using a xubuntu16.04 iso file i downloaded using my phone, transferred to my computer (running xubuntu 16.10)
[01:44] <loula> no
[01:45] <bazhang> how were you planning to do that, from your phone
[01:45] <loula> im doing the usb stick just to test if network connexion works or not, if the issue is software or hardware-related
[01:45] <loula> no
[01:45] <bazhang> 'how'
[01:45] <loula> i just got the iso file from my phone and put it on my computer
[01:46] <bazhang> and you currently have a xubuntu install on that computer
[01:46] <loula> yes
[01:46] <bazhang> and that computer has never been on the network
[01:47] <loula> it was
[01:47] <loula> but it stopped working
[01:47] <bazhang> what did you do, that it stopped working
[01:47] <loula> nothing in particular
[01:48] <loula> im just searching for the cause
[01:48] <bazhang> added some outside software?
[01:49] <loula> nothing i didnt use before
[01:49] <loula> for months
[01:49] <bazhang> from which source
[01:50] <loula> official websites, or ppa mentionned on official websites
[01:50] <loula> nothing weird
[01:52] <loula> wifi started failing last week, it totally freezed my computer when connecting. i used wire connection since then. it worked well until tonight when it started having difficulties to connect, until it stopped connecting at all
[01:53] <loula> the wifi connection freeze probkem persidted after a OS reinstall
[01:54] <bazhang> PPA are never recommended on official websites
[01:54] <bazhang> PPA are at your own risk entirely
[01:57] <loula> https://framapic.org/NlyTswbBBMNP/0IbEiOsKkGlw.png
[01:57] <bazhang> what is that loula
[01:58] <loula> a screenshot
[01:58] <bazhang> telling us what
[01:58] <loula> from inkscape'official website
[01:58] <loula> and a link to its ppa
[01:58] <bazhang> inkscape is not ubuntu official
[01:59] <loula> how can i format a usb stick?
[02:00] <loula> i can't find a way to do that without installing some package, which i cant
[02:00] <bazhang> without any software?
[02:01] <bazhang> you have a lower version iso, you want to replace 16.10 with
[02:02] <bazhang> the iso is already on the 16.10 machine, and you have a blank usb stick, or one you can use to completely overwrite it for the iso
[02:02] <loula> yes
[02:03] <loula> the stick isnt blank, thats why i want to format it
[02:03] <bazhang> do you see the software called 'disks' already on that xubuntu install
[02:05] <loula> there is no 'disks' program :(
[02:06] <bazhang> was that xubuntu install ever networked, or it was until you added some outside sources PPA and the like, and then the wifi failed
[02:08] <loula> wifi worked and failed
[02:08] <bazhang> is this your home wifi
[02:08] <loula> yes
[02:09] <bazhang> and thats from a router
[02:09] <loula> yes
[02:09] <loula> wifi works, computer doesnt
[02:09] <bazhang> and that router has cables for the other computers in your house
[02:09] <loula> no
[02:10] <loula> only mine since wifi made the computer freeze
[02:10] <bazhang> every commercial router out there has cable ethernet support
[02:11] <loula> yes, and it worked until tonight
[02:12] <loula> now my computer fails to connect the network
[02:12] <bazhang> sounds like a router issue
[02:13] <bazhang> in order to set up the router, you have to first use ethernet to connect to it
[02:14] <bazhang> thats a cable
[02:15] <bazhang> you installed the 16.10 with a live usb
[02:15] <loula> im using a wire connection since last week
[02:15] <bazhang> great
[02:15] <loula> it worked well
[02:16] <loula> until tonight
[02:16] <bazhang> this is an easy fix then
[02:16] <Menzador> So the Ethernet no longer works?
[02:16] <bazhang> the ethernet stopped working all of a sudden
[02:16] <Menzador> How the heck...
[02:17] <bazhang> dns
[02:17] <bazhang> you can get in irc, but not the www
[02:17] <loula> im on irc from my phone
[02:17] <bazhang> Menzador, common thing
[02:18] <Menzador> Ah. So simply an improper DNS or port config
[02:18] <loula> i can browse websites from my phone
[02:18] <bazhang> loula, is the computer still attached to the ethernet, and on
[02:18] <loula> my phone uses home's network via wifi
[02:18] <loula> and yes, my computer is on and plugged
[02:19] <Menzador> into the router?
[02:19] <bazhang> loula, can you open a terminal, on the xubuntu machine
[02:19] <loula> yes
[02:19] <bazhang> please do
[02:19] <loula> its done
[02:20] <bazhang> loula, and if you type ifconfig -a  what do you seen listed
[02:20] <bazhang> eth0 wlan0 lo or any of those three
[02:21] <loula> there are 2 blocks: first is enp9s0, second is lo
[02:21] <loula> (sith a lot of text for each one)
[02:21] <loula> with*
[02:21] <bazhang> ok
[02:22] <bazhang> loula, so what happens when you sudo ifdown enp9so
[02:22] <bazhang> s0
[02:22] <Menzador> Why are we using net-tools? We should be using the ip suite?
[02:22] <bazhang> Menzador, are you taking this over from me
[02:22] <bazhang> go for it
[02:23] <loula> it tells me "unknown interface enp9s0"
[02:35] <loula> is that all?
[02:35] <bazhang> hang on
[02:35] <loula> ok :)
[02:40] <bazhang> loula, reinstalling the OS is not really needed when networking has some fluke
[02:40] <bazhang> we simply need to renew the lease on the current ethernet, then get that wifi back and going
[02:41] <loula> someone suggested to try with another version with a live os, to see if it coyld be hardware-related
[02:41] <bazhang> loula, you initially installed the 16.10 with a live usb?
[02:42] <loula> yes
[02:42] <bazhang> and you still have that 16.10 usb stick
[02:43] <loula> yeah
[02:44] <bazhang> so you can boot the computer, with the ethernet cable in using the usb stick
[02:44] <loula> i did that yes
[02:44] <bazhang> and is it in that situation presently
[02:46] <loula> no, it acted the same as with a regular boot so i came back to my regular session
[02:49] <bazhang> loula, well we will need to get back into that live session again
[02:50] <loula> im going there
[02:50] <bazhang> loula, I currently will have some other  things outside of irc I need to handle, so you can repeat your issue, or I will return a bit later to help out
[02:50] <loula> ok!
[02:51] <loula> see you then
[02:51] <bazhang> :)
[03:19] <loula> hmm and after rebooting the router it works again ._.
[03:20] <loula> i dont understand at all
[05:06] <AHemlocksLie> I recently installed Xubuntu on my friend's laptop because it's on the low end and Windows was a little too bulky for it. He's not super computer savvy, but after tweaking the occasional problem he runs into in his first couple weeks, he should be fine. As an Arch user, though, I'm not 100% familiar with exact names of things he needs, and remote viewing his desktop would help a lot. What's the best setup so I can watch him and guide him thro
[05:06] <AHemlocksLie> ugh things when he has problems?
[05:08] <AHemlocksLie> Just screen viewing will help a lot so he can still go through the motions himself and learn. Control when necessary might be a nice cherry on top but not really necessary
[05:11] <AHemlocksLie> I'm slightly unsure of things like RDP vs remote X sessions, but if my understanding is correct, I don't really want a remote X session because that's more like my own login on his machine instead of watching his login
[05:13] <loula> i heard gitso was an easy solution
[05:14] <loula> it lets you take control but your friend still sees what you do
[05:14] <loula> (never tried it though)
[05:15] <AHemlocksLie> I assume he can still do things if he wants? So like I *could* control and lend a hand if need be, but he can still do things
[09:28] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:28] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:29] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:31] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:33] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:33] <xubuntu85d> I am using Voyager 16.04 LTS and after 1st upgrade my Desktop PC not start and Num Lock and scroll lock lights are blinking?  Can any one help me!
[09:33] <Unit193> xubuntu85d: Dude, seriously stop repeating yourself.  Also seek voyager support for help with Voyager.
[10:50] <RadiantNova> hello
[10:50] <RadiantNova> i am reading the terminal documentation here http://docs.xfce.org/apps/terminal/command-line
[10:51] <RadiantNova> but all of the commands are coming back as "command not found"
[10:52] <diogenes_> RadiantNova, whar command?
[10:53] <RadiantNova> -h
[10:53] <RadiantNova> -v
[10:53] <RadiantNova> --help
[10:53] <RadiantNova> i am new to linux
[10:53] <diogenes_> this is not a command
[10:53] <RadiantNova> oh
[10:54] <diogenes_> this is just an argument for a command
[10:54] <Unit193> That's talking about xfce4-terminal --help
[10:54] <RadiantNova> i am migrating from windows
[10:55] <diogenes_> haha is windows still alive?
[10:55] <RadiantNova> and would like to learn how to perform various actions through the command line
[10:55] <RadiantNova> just basic ones to start with
[10:56] <diogenes_> RadiantNova, linux gets more and more user friendly so for and everage user there's no even need to touvh the terminal anymire
[10:56] <RadiantNova> im sick of the new versions of windows
[10:58] <RadiantNova> id like to learn to navigate the system in terminal, i want to well versed enough to try on archlinux or gentoo some day
[10:59] <RadiantNova> so say i use cd /home
[10:59] <RadiantNova> i can then run a program from that directory?
[10:59] <diogenes_> RadiantNova, then you have to put on your reading glasses, buy a lot of coffee and read a lot of stuff
[11:00] <RadiantNova> check check check
[11:36] <xubuntu07w> Hi, I have installed xfce4 on my intel chromebook. I am now stuck on xscreensaver 5.15 local host. I can't cchanchage user to root or any other user as my current directory is /home/Daniel it won't accept my password for Daniel. The power button is no responding so I can't even re-boot to . Entire laptop is currently useless
[11:43] <RadiantNova> same here
[11:43] <RadiantNova> im having this problem as well
[11:44] <RadiantNova> the root part i mean
[11:51] <RadiantNova> alright guys
[11:51] <RadiantNova> i successfully learned how to change directory
[11:52] <RadiantNova> now i would like to learn how to find out, in terminal, all of the files listed within that directory
[11:52] <RadiantNova> i cannot find the command to do this in documentation
[11:53] <xubuntu68w> Help. Completely stuck on xscreensaver
[11:54] <RadiantNova> xubuntu68w, what is xscreensaver?
[11:57] <xubuntu68w> I installed Linux crouton on my chromebook, and now it is stuck on the xscreensaver 5.15 it doesn't accept my password and I can't change user either. Laptop won't power down either totally stuck
[11:58] <RadiantNova> remove battery?
[11:59] <xubuntu68w> No battery access, only little screws on back
[12:00] <RadiantNova> unplug it?
[12:04] <xubuntu68w> The Linux system doesn't use much power, it's already been a couple days and is chrome  would have have emptied the battery already b
[12:05] <xubuntu68w> Chrome Os would finished the battery by now, Linux doesn't need much battery I could be waiting a long time and after that it still might be stuck on it
[12:08] <RadiantNova> wow really?
[12:08] <RadiantNova> i didnt know that
[12:08] <RadiantNova> phew
[12:08] <RadiantNova> well
[12:08] <RadiantNova> there has to be a battery in that thing
[12:08] <RadiantNova> im sure it would take you less than a couple days to pop a few screws out
[12:08] <RadiantNova> come on now
[12:10] <xubuntu68w> Is there any other way other than unplugging the battery, which in my case would probably invalidate my warranty
[12:12] <xubuntu68w> Alright, I'll unscrew and see. As this chromebook is completely dead until this is resolved
[12:13] <JuJUBee> I have been using the glmatrix screensaver lately but it stopped working and I cannot figure out why.  Any help?
[12:14] <Bagira79> Hello there!
[12:16] <Bagira79> I've just installed Xubuntu before and Win7 next. Now Grub doesn't appear at bootup, so I can't use Xubuntu. What can I do?
[12:16] <Unit193> I'd boot live, chroot into the Xubuntu system, install and update grub, reboot.
[12:20] <Bagira79_> Re
[12:21] <Bagira79_> Did anyone react to my question?
[12:22] <Unit193> I did, but not sure if it's useful to you: [07:16:50] < Unit193> I'd boot live, chroot into the Xubuntu system, install and update grub, reboot.    Generally speaking, you want to install Linux second.
[12:22] <JuJUBee> Bagira79_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/83771/recovering-grub-after-installing-windows-7
[12:23] <Bagira79_> Ok, thx. What should I type in Terminal?
[12:23] <xubuntu20w> Hi
[12:24] <RadiantNova> forget your warranty
[12:24] <xubuntu20w> Volume control is missing in my xubuntu.How can I restore it?
[12:24] <Unit193> JuJUBee: There's likely something in the log at ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log, or you can try to launch it directly from the terminal and see what issue it gives.
[12:24] <JuJUBee> Unit193, when I run from cli I get : xscreensaver: 07:18:33: already running on display :0.0 (window 0x2601e47) from process 2654
[12:25] <Unit193> JuJUBee: I meant glmatrix, /usr/lib/xscreensaver/glmatrix  Good to know xscreensaver is actually running though.
[12:26] <JuJUBee> Unit193, glmatrix: couldn't create GL context for visual 0x24.
[12:27] <Unit193> I'd tell you to restart X/lightdm, but not sure that helps you.  Any mesa or other X updates recently?
[12:28] <Unit193> At least you know more precisely the issue is.
[12:29] <JuJUBee> Unit193, no, just some gtk stuff.  Was trying to install "draw on screen" app
[12:30] <JuJUBee> Unit193, think I am gonna restart, just reinstalled xscreensaver and glmatrix
[12:32] <xubuntu76w> Hi
[12:34] <Unit193> xubuntu76w: Howdy.  If indicator-sound and xfce4-indicator-plugin are installed, and the panel has the indicator plugin added, then perhaps restart the panel (Alt+F2 → xfce4-panel -r)
[12:34] <JuJUBee> Unit193, that seems to have done it... working now
[12:35] <Unit193> JuJUBee: I hit some glx crap like that, glxgears also didn't work, etc.  Only thing I knew for it was restarting Xorg.  Good that you got it working again. :)
[12:35] <RadiantNova> howcome alt+f2 doesnt work on mine?
[12:35] <RadiantNova> is it the keyboard?
[12:36] <xubuntu76w> I've accidentaly removed indicator from the panel
[12:36] <Unit193> Check keyboard shortcuts, it's a default one but can change.  It's supposed to open up xfce4-appfinder -c
[12:37] <Unit193> xubuntu76w: Ctrl+right click → Panel → Panel preferences
[12:37] <xubuntu76w> I cannot control volume power now.
[12:37] <xubuntu76w> what next?
[12:37] <Unit193> Items, then make sure 'indicator plugin' is in the list.
[12:42] <xubuntu76w> thanks for your help,guys.
[12:45] <xubuntu76w> one more question.Is there a quick way to download all language packs into a files/files so I can install them offline after format?
[13:11] <xubuntu94w> Hi is there anyone around with experience of xfce and xscreensaver?  Thanks
[13:15] <xubuntu94w> Xscreensaver doesn't accept my password and does not allow me to change user to root or any user. It says says couldn't excite gdmflexiserver no such file or directory current directory is /home/danie
[13:20] <Unit193> You can likely still get to a TTY and login there, but if your password is wrong that won't let you in either.
[13:21] <Unit193> That is also why we should always use  the wrapper for starting it, /usr/share/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-wrapper.sh
[13:24] <Unit193> Yakkety and above use it, at least xfce4-session should.
[17:55] <dmt420> how do i fix this error
[17:55] <dmt420> https://i.imgur.com/9QJw727.png
[18:00] <flocculant> dmt420: I'd first try using a windows machine to fix whatever that finds wrong with it
[18:12] <dmt420> i have
[18:12] <dmt420> doesnt work
[18:15] <flocculant> dmt420: so what else have you tried?
[18:16] <flocculant> is it supposed to have data on it?
[18:34] <dmt420> yes
[19:40] <triode132> does gparted show the volume and formatting details?
[19:41] <digbychicken> triode132, yes.
[19:55] <triode132> ime, ive never been able to fix recognizing formatting signatures without backing up the contents, wiping the drive and reformatting.
[19:56] <triode132> *fix errors
[20:30] <NeoTiger13> Xubuntu is amazeballs. ;o
[20:32] <NeoTiger13>  /msg NickServ SETPASS NeoTiger13 lgpdwubibnuh Gre.merlin.13!!
[20:33] <NeoTiger13>  /msg NickServ SETPASS NeoTiger13 lgpdwubibnuh Gre.merlin.13!!
[21:00] <nsh> kk
[21:11] <xubuntu41w> hi guys, just a little help, what cmd to find out what version of linux i have
[21:11] <diogenes_> uname -a
[21:13] <xubuntu41w> sorry, just new at it, trying to download a software but not sure which version to download
[21:14] <diogenes_> xubuntu41w, there are more that one way to install software
[21:14] <xubuntu41w> 4.4.0-64-generic  does that mean 64 bit? thanks
[21:15] <knome> xubuntu41w, no, that is just the kernel version
[21:15] <diogenes_> 1. to look in synaptic or software center 2. to go to the software official site and look for available package for linux 3. look github for source
[21:15] <knome> xubuntu41w, what does "uname -i" say?
[21:16] <xubuntu41w> i686
[21:16] <knome> xubuntu41w, but for installing software, you'll want to use the software center
[21:16] <diogenes_> xubuntu41w, it means you have 32 bit version
[21:16] <diogenes_> so you have to install 32 bit
[21:16] <diogenes_> software
[21:17] <xubuntu41w> aprciate guys, just start in a new software course and im following the instructions, thanks
[21:19] <xubuntu41w> i have two options of a software to download, first says x86/x64 the second says ARM, not sure which one
[21:20] <xubuntu41w> have you guys heard of nodejs
[21:29] <xubuntu41w> Errors were encountered while processing:  runit  git-daemon-run E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) just thought i did but got that, any ideas
[21:34] <xubuntu09w> Errors were encountered while processing:  runit  git-daemon-run E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:34] <xubuntu09w> any ideas
[21:36] <xubuntu09w> please
[21:40] <xubuntu09w> trying to install nodejs