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lotuspsychjegood morning to all03:29
lotuspsychjecoffee & working day here03:29
daftykinshey hey!03:30
daftykinshow's Saturday looking?03:30
lotuspsychjehey daftykins03:30
lotuspsychjeearly shift todat03:30
daftykinsooh :>03:30
lotuspsychjetomorrow off, soo great03:30
daftykins\o/03:31
daftykinsbrb i need some water03:31
lotuspsychjekk03:31
daftykinslotuspsychje: oh man i've been having so much fun with that PBX server stuff03:37
daftykinsi got a client for my android phone, a software client for my desktop PC and also plugged a real phone into a special box that converts it to LAN - so all 3 are extensions on my test server :D03:38
daftykinsthen this week i get the box so that my real phone line is put onto it and i receive calls and call out over it :D03:38
lotuspsychjecool03:39
daftykinsthat means i could even receive and make local landline calls over the internet from wherever in the world03:39
lotuspsychjewow03:41
daftykins:D :D03:41
daftykins*and* offer clients free calls to home03:42
lotuspsychjefree, will be gold in their ears03:42
daftykins=]03:42
daftykinsseems you can install this PBX on a Raspberry Pi too03:43
lotuspsychjenice03:43
lotuspsychjedaftykins: did you see my link about entroware?03:43
daftykinsah no sir03:43
lotuspsychjeholdon03:44
lotuspsychje<lotuspsychje> daftykins: whats your opinion on the entroware machines? https://www.entroware.com/store/index.php?route=common/home03:45
daftykinsoh my bad i remember you asking now, didn't mean to not reply - must've been distracted!03:46
daftykinswow that looks like a good source03:47
lotuspsychjedaftykins: ive emailed them, and they say they can provide me as a reseller03:47
daftykins\o/ they weren't fussed about your location too? given the countries listed on there03:48
lotuspsychjedaftykins: yep, they said they could deliver to belgium also, but asked me the details of company03:49
lotuspsychjenot sure yet they will send one by one machines03:49
daftykinswow at those prices!03:49
lotuspsychjebig/low?03:50
daftykinsnice and low, i configured a kaby lake i5 with 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD for £616 excluding tax03:50
daftykinsthat's GBP03:50
lotuspsychjegreat!03:50
daftykinsoop £645 now i put a 1080p screen on03:50
daftykinshmm 7 day dead pixel warranty is a bit funky XD03:51
daftykins1 year is the highest warranty on the list too03:51
lotuspsychjewarranty 1 year is the least of my concerns03:51
daftykins:>03:51
lotuspsychjethe belgian keyboard i need and No OS, No hd03:51
lotuspsychjenot sure they can do this for me03:52
daftykinsi see no OS on the 'Aether' i'm configuring03:52
lotuspsychjeyep thats already good03:52
daftykinspretty good prices on SSDs though, depending which they are03:52
lotuspsychjebut all configs have a HD by default right03:52
daftykinsin a way you could pick mechanical then put it in an enclosure for clients :D03:52
lotuspsychjealso good idea, but if some customer have an enclosure already03:53
lotuspsychjewould rather have the choice you see03:53
daftykinsdefinitely03:54
daftykinsevery currency unit counts!03:54
lotuspsychjeglad you like the prices03:54
lotuspsychjedont have many choice for barebone machines03:54
lotuspsychjeand i also like they fact, they love ubuntu :p03:55
daftykinsindeed! means their machines may even work with it too ;)03:55
daftykinsbe pretty good if you didn't have to reinstall once they arrive03:55
lotuspsychjewell i also rather wanna instal fresh myself in dutch right03:56
daftykinswonder if they come up with an out of box experience (OOBE) wizard though that lets you pick language o0 never seen preinstalled 'buntu03:56
lotuspsychjeoh that would be cool indeed03:57
lotuspsychjeperhaps system76 got it also03:58
lotuspsychjeso im excited to get a mail back...04:00
Bashing-omBeddie bye for me . Good nite :)04:02
lotuspsychjenite Bashing-om04:02
daftykinsyep time for me to check out too04:03
daftykinscya lotus have a good weekend \o04:03
lotuspsychjebyebye04:04
aelsilmarehi what's everyone's fav WM?04:13
aelsilmareI like Fluxbox and Afterstep but eager to hear all your opinions04:14
daftykinsexplorer04:17
aelsilmarelol Windows dude? I can't say I like it04:17
daftykins:)04:18
aelsilmarewindows is ok if you like viruses04:18
daftykinsvery 90s comment, that04:19
aelsilmare90s? d00d my windows machine just got a virus like a month ago!04:19
daftykinsmalware maybe, but not a true virus no04:20
daftykinsthe only sane approach is the person that accepts all OSs have problems - and an IT professional, which is the area i work in, deals with them all04:20
aelsilmareof course I know viruses dont really exist today but yeah I got a serious piece of malware and I had to download malwarebytes on my linux machine and install it from a USB key04:20
daftykinsi think we both know how that could've come about04:21
daftykinsanyway yeah my paid work is on Windows mostly - but i run services from Linux servers :)04:22
daftykinsthe one i really extend my middle finger to are the Macs though04:22
aelsilmarewell the malware hit my hosts file...no internet access04:22
daftykinssingle file edit.04:22
aelsilmarebut yeah malwarebytes kicks ass04:23
daftykinsmmm usually use it on folks machines04:25
aelsilmareyea its great software...it's just windows yknow it's so insecure by default04:26
aelsilmareubuntu never had anyh kind of malware for me04:26
daftykinsmost stuff attacks by accounts and browsers, so i'd say your comments are a bit too anecdotal and not platform agnostic04:27
aelsilmareplatform agnostic??04:28
lotuspsychjealot of security holes on linux also04:29
lotuspsychje!usn04:29
ubot5Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about recent Ubuntu security updates.04:29
daftykins^ lotus speaks the truth04:30
aelsilmarebuntu never had anthat fixes them right?04:30
aelsilmarei just apt-get upgrade04:30
daftykinslisten, if you want to be taken seriously in life you have to drop the fanboy angle and see that everything gets problems04:31
daftykinsok really off \o04:31
aelsilmareof course...i know linux isnt the answer to everything04:31
lotuspsychjethe owner's mind does everything to a machine04:32
lotuspsychjeon whatever Os04:32
lotuspsychjealways need to be carefull04:33
aelsilmarevery int insight lotus04:33
lotuspsychje!info lynis | aelsilmare04:35
ubot5aelsilmare: lynis (source: lynis): security auditing tool for Unix based systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.1-1 (xenial), package size 126 kB, installed size 935 kB04:35
lotuspsychjecheck this nice tool04:35
lotuspsychjebbl working, have a nice one guys04:49
ducassemorning all07:21
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BluesKajHiyas all12:31
ducasseBluesKaj: good morning!12:34
BluesKajhey ducasse, what's up today ?12:36
ducassenot much, really. nothing on the schedule today, so i'm doing Important Stuff like fiddling with desktop and terminal colors :)12:39
BluesKajthis is interesting https://www.linux.com/learn/intro-to-linux/2017/3/try-raspberry-pixel-platform-your-desktop12:51
BluesKajthere's pixelos for the desktop/laptop too and apparently it's very fast on intel cpus, but it's still 32 bit12:53
BluesKajit's still in the live media stage, there's no insraller12:55
ducassecool, good that there's still activity on 'light' desktops.12:56
BluesKajyeah, for sure12:57
ducassegiven how many ask for them in #ubuntu, there is clearly a market.13:00
BluesKajlots of users trying to resurrect older machines that are still working, but with lower specs13:06
ducasseyep, and i understand why. they can still be used for a lot of stuff, even if you might not be able to decode (u)hd video etc.13:21
BluesKajyeah , the seniors center here are using a couple old HPs with celeron cpus on lubuntu on them, mostly for surfing the net and email etc13:34
BluesKajok , bbl13:34
lotuspsychjegood afternoon to all13:47
BluesKajHi lotuspsychje13:48
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj13:49
ducassehi lotus!13:55
lotuspsychjehey ducasse13:55
ducasseno work today?13:56
lotuspsychjeyeah im done early13:56
ducasseah, goodie. plans for the evening?13:57
lotuspsychjemovie marathon with gf :p13:57
ducasse'movie', suuuure.13:57
ducasse;)fontforge-extras13:57
ducassesoeey about paste there :)13:58
ducasse*sorry13:58
lotuspsychjelol13:58
ducasseargh, this keyboard is so crap :(13:58
lotuspsychjewich one is it13:58
ducassea hp laptop, i'm not at my desk atm13:59
ducasse_old_ hp laptop :)13:59
lotuspsychjekk14:00
lotuspsychjeducasse: we use our mede8er mediaplayer to watch some :p14:00
ducasseright, you linked that once. i still use the rpi2, works for me. not ideal, but Good Enough.14:01
lotuspsychjeplays every codec in the book :p14:02
ducasseh.265 as well?14:02
lotuspsychjeyep14:03
lotuspsychjehey baizon14:04
baizonhi hi lotuspsychje14:08
lotuspsychjebbl movie :p14:29
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ducasseevening/morning Bashing-om18:24
OerHekshappy weekend \0/18:25
Bashing-omducasse: Thankee .. Been "settled" on main ?18:25
ducasseBashing-om: been quiet today, from what i've seen18:26
daftykins\o18:27
ducasseOerHeks: how is drabber? :)18:27
Bashing-omducasse: Here lately the week-ends have been slow . 'buntu is stable and user friendly ! Are we - volunteers - phasing out too ?18:27
daftykinsdrabber \o/18:27
ducasseevening, daftykins18:28
daftykinsfinishing up some CD ripping here18:29
ducassewhat does "I already got swap size greater than RAM twice and my swap not if btfu" mean?18:30
Bashing-omdaftykins: Has been PBX'n .. a whole new world .18:30
daftykinsi think the last 3 'words' ruin it, but is it someone saying they're filling swap o018:31
daftykinsyep! got myself an android app (Voiperbeta), desktop app (X-Lite) and also an old analog phone connecting to a VM of 'FreePBX' :D18:31
daftykinsjust awaiting my voice gateway to show up so i can configure my real landline to join the party18:31
Bashing-omducasse: got me with the " btfu" too .18:31
daftykinsbut the whole voicemail sending me emails is amazing18:32
ducasseeverything from 'and' on was on a separate line, if that helps :)18:32
daftykins(.wav attachments)18:32
daftykinshaha oh it's one of THOSE18:32
ducasseBashing-om: 'back the f up', the internet says18:32
daftykinssounds like we need to see a 'free -m'18:33
daftykinsbe quite funny if the swap was there but off...18:33
Bashing-omducasse: Then he has a "failure to communicate" properly :)18:33
ducassefreakyy: he's trying to hibernate18:33
ducassedaftykins: ^^18:33
daftykinsaaaah so not enough space left to enter18:34
ducassebad tab there18:34
daftykinsyep still could do with a 'free -m' :)18:34
ducassehe's gone now anyway. that's another thing, people don't understand answers can take a few minutes :)18:35
daftykinsnot quick enough ducasse! FASTER!18:36
daftykins:>18:36
ducassei'll take as much time as i damn well please, thank you. ;)18:37
OerHekswait a minute ...18:38
Bashing-omWe who have done so much, for so long - with so little - are now qualified to to anything with nothing .18:39
OerHeksproceed18:39
ducasseOerHeks: :)18:39
ducasseanyone seen this? https://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20170301-tg.htm18:42
ducasseon new github t&c18:42
daftykinsugh i'm sorting tagging in huge 60+ track compilation albums to try and undo the mess a client had created by iTunes usage18:45
daftykinsthat program needs to be destroyed...18:46
ducassedaftykins: can't beets or something do this?18:47
daftykinsit's one of those situations where the artist of each individual track has been set as the artist, but as they are compilations they need to be moved into the title so that the artist can be 'Various Artists'18:48
daftykinsbig mess18:48
ducassedaftykins: not to be cruel, but that doesn't sound like the ideal saturday night :-/18:51
Bashing-omducasse: Nope ! Was not aware there was a Github licenseing controversy . Ouch . change is in the forecast .18:51
daftykins:D18:51
daftykinsjust want to get it finished so i can take them up when i go for a shower in a moment (since mine is still broken)18:51
ducassehehe - mark, copy, cut, paste, edit, repeat ;)18:52
daftykinsyep ;_;18:53
daftykins493 files omg18:56
daftykinsparents, talk to your children about tagging... oh wait they all use streaming services... :)18:56
ducasse'ls -1R FLAC/ | wc -l' = 1232818:58
daftykinsoh they're not even FLAC, that's what's cringe too18:58
daftykinsthis is trying to organise the guy's wifes nasty iTunes organised collection in order to tear it away from Apple fail :)18:58
daftykinsnot sure she has the original CDs to just do it over which'd be quicker XD18:59
ducassei'm betting the music is crap, too18:59
ducasse"various artists" sort of suggest that18:59
daftykinsjust did a couple of Christmas compilations... D:19:00
ducasseoh god.19:00
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/c9lrhmg0unr3ekd/tagging.PNG?dl=019:04
daftykinsthe ones without 'Various Artists' are still yet to be done19:04
ducasse"80s groove masters"19:05
ducasserotfl19:05
ducassedaftykins: btw - good site for transferring files - https://transfer.sh/19:07
daftykinshrmm19:08
daftykinsaww ducasse you want me to zip half of them and let you help? ;)19:08
ducassesuuure :)19:09
ducassedone any soldering lately?19:10
Bashing-omA friend in deed ^ :P19:10
daftykins:D19:10
daftykinssadly no :( no uses for soldering of late, the PBX plans have taken over19:10
daftykinsit's ok guys, only 232 files left19:27
daftykinseww someone just threw up outside19:27
ducasseyuck19:28
Bashing-omAn early start ^^ on his Saturday night ? ( I do not miss them days !)19:31
daftykinsindeed :S19:31
daftykinsaaaaah done at last19:49
* alkisg wonders if it would be possible to ask the sysadmins to implement `nc paste.ubuntu.com 9999` instead of instructing people to run `nc termbin.com 9999`....19:49
daftykinsalkisg: why?19:49
alkisgWell, to be more #ubuntu specific :)19:50
daftykinsand when you say implement... do you mean 'use' when giving advice, or...? because the package 'pastebinit' exists19:50
daftykinsit doesn't matter what is used to get the job done19:50
alkisgWell, suppose that someone has a live cd or a broken apt19:50
alkisgpastebinit isn't preinstalled19:50
daftykinsyeah, in which case we'll use whatever service comes to mind19:50
alkisgSo I `nc` is handy in many cases19:50
daftykinsyep preaching to the choir there19:50
ducassealkisg: it is installed on 16.04?19:50
alkisgAnd, I just thought it would be better to have support for it in paste.ubuntu.com too, it shouldn't be hard...19:51
daftykins"support" ?19:51
alkisgducasse: I don't have it in my ubuntu-mate 16.0419:51
alkisgI don't know about the unity cd19:51
daftykinsso you came in to tell people that help others to use a given service over another because you think the name matches up nicer?19:51
daftykinsthere's not anything else to it? :)19:52
alkisgdaftykins: support => in the web server at paste.ubuntu.com, there should be something implemented to listed on the 9999 port19:52
alkisgFor nc posts, not http POSTs19:52
daftykinssorry can't follow what you just said19:52
alkisgI wondered if it would be a good idea to implement a service in paste.ubuntu.com, that is similar to termbin.com19:53
daftykinsaaaah so what you really mean is that you don't *know* if paste.ubuntu.com supports netcat piping?19:53
alkisgThat is, receive pastes though netcat instead of HTTP POSTs19:53
alkisgI believe it doesn't19:54
alkisgAnd it wouldn't be hard to implement19:54
daftykinsright, now we arrive at your real meaning :)19:54
alkisgAnd I'm asking if others find it a good idea19:54
alkisgIf yes, then we could see who maintains this etc19:54
daftykinsdon't see any benefit or disadvantage, you just have to track down who runs it19:54
alkisgIf you don't see any benefits, there's no reason to track down who runs it...19:55
alkisgThat's why I came to ask, if it's not a good idea no reason to try and implement it19:55
daftykinsoh no i'm not going to do it :)19:56
daftykinsthis 'ticket' is your baby :D19:56
alkisgI'm not requesting that you do it19:56
daftykinsyeah i know19:56
alkisgI was just asking if people thought it would be a good idea19:56
daftykinswouldn't hurt, i used to forget termbin from time to time19:56
daftykinsit also went down once for a few weeks19:56
Bashing-omAway for a spell - Be back somewhat later ;)21:17
Bashing-omI am back to where I can pay attention :)23:56
daftykins\o/23:56
daftykinsLouis is also back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGNOGHXhpbQ23:56
daftykinsyay repair!23:56
Bashing-omdaftykins: No audio on this work station :) - ( and no intention of change )23:57
daftykinsooh, how come?23:58
Bashing-omI can not hear anyway .. and most things I hear I do not want to hear anyway :) just a distraction .23:59

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