[00:18] <Wayward_Vagabond> How do I go about making a live usb stick from windows?
[00:18] <Wayward_Vagabond> My iso of Xenial just finished downloading
[00:19] <glitchd> Wayward_Vagabond, unetbootin
[00:22] <bazhang> Wayward_Vagabond, rufus
[00:22] <bazhang> unetbootin has some issues
[00:23] <Wayward_Vagabond> glitchd, unetbootin doesn't seem to want to let me set the whole drive to be persistent, it's capping at 9999mb
[00:24] <glitchd> Wayward_Vagabond, what size is the usb?
[00:24] <Wayward_Vagabond> 64gb
[00:24] <bazhang> did he mean usb hdd?
[00:24] <glitchd> Wayward_Vagabond, is it a usb stick or hdd?
[00:25] <glitchd> Wayward_Vagabond, ??
[00:26] <Wayward_Vagabond> Usb 3.0 stick
[00:28] <Wayward_Vagabond> I'd like the drive to be a persistent install I can use for recovery purposes, but still be able to install onto the machine it's plugged into like the live media
[00:28] <glitchd> Wayward_Vagabond, you could try letting it make the 9999 of persistence, then in gparted, extend the persistent partition to the end of the drive?
[00:29] <Wayward_Vagabond> Never done a usb one before though, so I may be misunderstanding what it can do
[00:32] <genii> It might be reserving the 5% for superuser
[00:36] <Wayward_Vagabond> Rufus: The image you have selected is an 'ISOHybrid' image. It can be written is ISO Image (file copy) or DD Image (disk image) mode.
[00:36] <Wayward_Vagabond> Do I want ISO or DD?
[00:44] <ppokojowczyk> Hi, just a seconds ago I removed unused kernels and stuff from /boot because /boot partition ran out of free space
[00:44] <ppokojowczyk> I've never had it with any other distro and I remember that xubuntu shows a lot of *kernel errors after logging to Xfce
[00:45] <ppokojowczyk> By standard and common practice I defined my boot partition as 200 Mb partition
[00:46] <ppokojowczyk> but after 2,3 updated / upgrades I ran out of free space on /boot
[00:47] <ppokojowczyk> I removed all kernels and extras but recent, and everything looks allright
[00:47] <ppokojowczyk> nevertheless I would like to know how to prevent situations like this
[00:48] <ppokojowczyk> any suggestions ?
[00:48] <knome> remove old kernels more often
[00:48] <ppokojowczyk> yeah, but why this problem happens recently?
[00:49] <ppokojowczyk> is 200 MBs too small for /boot partition ?
[00:49] <knome> probably
[00:50] <ppokojowczyk> I've read somewhere that separated /boot partition is good practice  and  most of times it's 200 MBs large .
[00:50] <knome> i don't use a separate boot partition and i've never had problems regarding that
[00:50] <ppokojowczyk> so what do you have ?
[00:50] <ppokojowczyk> root & boot ?
[00:50] <knome> / and /home
[00:51] <knome> (and then some extra partitions in non-standard locations)
[00:51] <ppokojowczyk> and never once ran out of space ?
[00:51] <knome> no
[00:51] <knome> most of my data is outside the standard locations though
[00:52] <knome> but the argument stays; you don't really need a separate /boot partition to run your systems
[00:53] <ppokojowczyk> ok, so get this clear ...
[00:53] <ppokojowczyk> what if I have dual-boot
[00:53] <ppokojowczyk> do I really need separate /boot partition for this ?
[00:53] <ppokojowczyk> is there any good reason for this ?
[00:54] <ppokojowczyk> sorry for my dump questions but I really want to understand this
[00:54] <knome> you don't need a separate /boot partition for that
[00:54] <ppokojowczyk> I've really never seen a difference beetween a /root + /boot partition and separated /boot partition
[00:54] <knome> i don't have any good reasons for using a separate /boot, but i know there are people who do that and they have their own argumentation, which i don't know
[00:54] <ppokojowczyk> but for tutorial - quick guide - good practice reasons - I've always done this
[00:55] <knome> this is just a guess, but there might be some reasons why it has been good practice in the past
[00:55] <ppokojowczyk> so, to sum things up
[00:56] <knome> many installed systems today don't even have a separate /home, and that might be just fine :)
[00:56] <knome> (actually, this installation right here doesn't)
[00:56] <ppokojowczyk> it's good to have /root partition and don't mind about /boot partition, better have all in one
[00:57] <knome> no, you don't need /root
[00:57] <knome> but you definitely need /
[00:57] <knome> ;)
[00:57] <knome> but correct, you don't necessarily need a separate /boot if you don't have a good idea why you would
[00:57] <ppokojowczyk> yeah, my bad, don't keep up to details
[00:58] <knome> having separate /home might be useful if you store a lot of more or less "persistent" personal data on it - helps with recovering
[00:58] <ppokojowczyk> for practical reasons I would keep boot on / to prevent problem I have now ... ran out of space on /boot
[00:58] <knome> yes
[00:58] <knome> that would definitely help with that problem
[00:58] <knome> well at least considering your / partition isn't very small as well
[00:59] <ppokojowczyk> hmmm
[00:59] <ppokojowczyk> ...
[00:59] <ppokojowczyk> i've got 20GB
[00:59] <ppokojowczyk> and 12GB free
[00:59] <knome> that should be ok
[00:59] <ppokojowczyk> I consider up to 1GB for boot and kernels and stuff and shiznit ...
[01:01] <ppokojowczyk> so now I will redirect my MBR to / -> /boot
[01:01] <ppokojowczyk> guess now i don't have a clue what to do with my first 200 mb's of SSD
[01:02] <knome> leave it there for an easter egg ;)
[01:02] <ppokojowczyk> well, more problems, more knowledge ...
[01:03] <knome> indeed
[01:03] <ppokojowczyk> can you tell my from where this ingrown of kernel space came up ?
[01:04] <ppokojowczyk> * grow-up
[01:04] <ppokojowczyk> well, forgive me my poor english ...
[01:04] <knome> i don't have the answer to that, but the kernels do tend to build up
[01:04] <knome> kernel size too
[01:04] <knome> Unit193, who is lurking, will have a better answer to that
[01:04] <Unit193> *Some* of it is supporting more hardware.
[01:05] <knome> and there we go ;)
[01:05] <Unit193> knome: What?  I'm no kernel dude!
[01:05] <ppokojowczyk> ok... three kernels... approx 50-60 MBs one
[01:05] <ppokojowczyk> that eats up my /boot partition
[01:06] <ppokojowczyk> sad that xubuntu doesn't clean all the mess up
[01:07] <Unit193> Apt does decent, but generally keeps last known working kernel + new one.
[01:08] <Unit193> Read /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal for more information.
[01:08] <knome> Unit193 and his fun links
[01:08]  * knome hides
[01:08] <Unit193> knome: Hey!  It's on his system!
[01:10] <ppokojowczyk> i don't get you ... you IRC folks :D
[01:11] <Unit193> Note, I haven't fully been reading scrollback, so may have no idea what's going on.
[01:14] <ppokojowczyk> ohh...
[01:14] <ppokojowczyk> I woke up
[01:14] <Unit193> I didn't.
[01:15] <ppokojowczyk> I red an article that says that separate boot partitions helps keeping dual-boot partitions in consistence
[01:17] <ppokojowczyk> Well... I'm like one of those scarred-up bitches ... afraid of keeping up separated partitions ...
[01:27] <knome> ppokojowczyk, please remember this is a family-friendly channel
[01:28] <ppokojowczyk> ohh... pls, forgive my, my bad
[01:28] <Unit193> A partition for /boot can be more fun if you start making use of grml-rescueboot. >_>
[01:31] <ppokojowczyk> I know nothing about grml-rescueboot... what's that ?
[01:32] <Unit193> Allows one to place ISOs in /boot/grml/ and have them show up in grub's boot menu.
[01:36] <ppokojowczyk> well, ISO is probably gonna eat more space than regular kernel image ...
[01:38] <ppokojowczyk> i've checked that kernel eats up 37-38MBs
[01:46] <knome> yes, but is more useful in case you are in the situation where you need "rescueboot" anyway ,)
[01:47] <Unit193> knome: Or, lazy and want to boot an iso. :P
[01:47] <knome> that's an option as well
[01:55] <ppokojowczyk> nooo
[01:55] <knome> anyway, time to sleep
[01:55] <knome> good night!
[01:55] <ppokojowczyk> no rescueboot and left "iso" boot ...
[01:56] <ppokojowczyk> my teeth falls off ...