[05:33] <hikiko> hi
[05:41] <chatter29> hey guys
[05:41] <chatter29> allah is doing
[05:41] <chatter29> sun is not doing allah is doing
[05:41] <chatter29> to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
[07:20] <desrt> hikiko: good morning
[07:21] <desrt> hikiko: peace be upon you
[07:27] <hikiko> hi desrt :)
[07:28] <hikiko> LOL
[07:29] <hikiko> peace be upon you too desrt
[07:29]  * desrt feels an odd calm pass over her
[07:29] <desrt> ...probably just the coffee buzz levelling out
[07:31] <hikiko> maybe it
[07:32] <hikiko> maybe it's just the buzz of a message arriving
[07:32] <hikiko> do you feel also like a messenger?
[07:59] <desrt> lol
[07:59] <desrt> no.  not today :p
[09:02] <willcooke> morning all
[09:02] <willcooke> Spring has sprung today
[09:02] <Laney> morning
[09:02] <Laney> it's mooooonday
[09:03]  * Sweet5hark-windo is still undercover in enemy territory.
[09:03] <willcooke> Sweet5hark-windo,good luck in there!
[09:05] <davmor2> morning all
[09:05] <davmor2> Laney: thanks for that dude re disks
[09:06] <davmor2> Laney: to close to end of week and I was right I had forgotten about it :D
[09:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning seb128
[09:08] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney davmor2
[09:08] <flexiondotorg> Morning seb128 davmor2 willcooke Laney desrt hikiko
[09:08] <davmor2> morning johnboy erm flexiondotorg
[09:08] <hikiko> morning *
[09:08] <flexiondotorg> willcooke "brutal" was an insufficient description BTW.
[09:08] <desrt> hey Laney seb128 willcooke !
[09:09] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, :) welcome back!
[09:09] <desrt> happy monday, all
[09:09] <davmor2> flexiondotorg: he told you to wear comfy shoes too
[09:09] <flexiondotorg> davmor2 The are not shoes that can be that comfy.
[09:10] <Laney> davmor2: np
[09:10] <Laney> you get this kind of fun when you update to the unstable series ...
[09:10] <Laney> hey seb128 flexiondotorg desrt!
[09:10] <willcooke> reboot
[09:10] <seb128> did everyone have a good w.e?
[09:11] <desrt> no more carnival :( :(
[09:12] <desrt> seb128: what did you do this weekend?
[09:12] <davmor2> seb128: was down with a cold on friday started getting better saturday.  Sunday built some more of my millenium falcon as you do
[09:13] <seb128> desrt, went to the spa, did some shopping, played tennis and spent sunday relaxing with familly ... you?
[09:15] <davmor2> seb128: https://goo.gl/photos/pu1KrLrPwMVDB8YG6
[09:15] <desrt> on saturday had a visitor from a neighbouring country, spent a day in the city.  on sunday went for a nice hike in the woods around a lake near the refugee shelter where mascha first stayed in germany
[09:16] <desrt> also sunday: spent a lot of time dealing with mascha having had her cellphone/wallet/etc. stolen on saturday night :(
[09:16] <seb128> nice, did you have good weather?
[09:16] <flexiondotorg> I slept this weekend. Lots of sleeping.
[09:16] <seb128> it has been mostly raining here yesterday
[09:16] <seb128> flexiondotorg, that's a good w.e activity :-)
[09:16] <desrt> yes.  awesome weather all the time.  it rained for like 1 hour on sunday and it corresponded almost perfectly to the time we went into a cafe to get a tea
[09:16] <seb128> desrt, oh, things stollen, that's less nice :-(
[09:16] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[09:16] <flexiondotorg> seb128 Was required because there was very little sleeping during MWC.
[09:16] <seb128> oh, right mwc
[09:16] <flexiondotorg> TheMuso o/
[09:17] <seb128> did you enjoy it?
[09:17] <seb128> hey TheMuso
[09:17] <desrt> ya.  it really did a number on her, i think.  there was a lot of work-related stuff in there that is extremely difficult to replace/fix... plus all the usual photos/contacts/etc. problems
[09:17] <desrt> in the phone, i mean
[09:17] <flexiondotorg> seb128 Yes, MWC was great fun and completely exhausting in equal measure.
[09:17] <flexiondotorg> Lots of very good conversations.
[09:17] <seb128> nice
[09:17] <seb128> desrt, :-(
[09:17] <TheMuso> Anybody here have enough of an understanding of systemd user session stuff to help me work out why systemctl --user status at-spi-dbus-bus shows an inactive/dead service? I'm trying to work out why at-spi doesn't load for unity-panel-service, and also similar problem with the MATE panel.
[09:18] <TheMuso> Everything else is accessible by the time the session loads, but for whatever reason that user systemd service is inactive/dead.
[09:18] <seb128> TheMuso, can you pastebin the status output?
[09:18] <seb128> is there any log with it?
[09:18] <TheMuso> Sec.
[09:19] <TheMuso> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24123768/
[09:19] <seb128> davmor2, just looked at the phone, nice work!
[09:21] <TheMuso> I also have this in syslog: Mar  6 12:40:02 buffalo unity-panel-ser[3436]: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-6n1bOochIC: Connection refused
[09:22] <seb128> TheMuso, if you "systemctl start at-spi-dbus-bus.service" does it work?
[09:23] <TheMuso> seb128: Will try it, but at-spi is running, because everything else in my session, with the exception of the panel-service is accessible with Orca.
[09:23] <seb128> TheMuso, it could be dbus activated?
[09:23] <seb128> or spawned by something else?
[09:24] <TheMuso> seb128: Now I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24123782/
[09:24] <TheMuso> Well the service file in the usr/lib/systemd/user directory shows that it is for dbus activation.
[09:24] <TheMuso> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24123784/
[09:24] <TheMuso> Is the service file.
[09:26] <TheMuso> So starting the service works, but there is no point, because not everything is accessible in the first place, unless I kill it.
[09:26] <TheMuso> And at-spi still gets started up.
[09:26] <TheMuso> It shoudl also be worth noting that the way debian/ubuntu package at-spi2-core is no different from other distros re the service file, and this seems to work fine on other distros, baring in mind that I get the same problem with MATE panel when running a MATE session.
[09:30] <seb128> TheMuso, do you have a corresponding .service in /usr/share/dbus-1/services ?
[09:31] <seb128> TheMuso, you can also look in the ps output what started your unit
[09:35] <TheMuso> seb128: Yes, /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.a11y.Bus.service
[09:35] <TheMuso> What argument to ps to look up what executed a process?
[09:35] <TheMuso> Urm, oh the unit
[09:35] <TheMuso> Well the unit doesn't get started by default.
[09:35] <TheMuso> As shown earlier, its inactive/dead.
[09:36] <seb128> TheMuso, you can "ps aufx" and see what at-spi is a subprocess of in the list
[09:38] <TheMuso> seb128: Seems gnome-session... /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.a11y.Bus.service
[09:39] <TheMuso> Whoops wrong line.
[09:39] <TheMuso> /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-binary --session=ubuntu
[09:39] <TheMuso> Which starts it via xdg-autostart
[09:39] <TheMuso> /etc/xdg/autostart/at-/etc/xdg/autostart/at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop
[09:43] <Laney> hey TheMuso - you just reminded me that I've not replied to you yet - sorry, will do that soon
[09:44] <Laney> and yeah, if there's nothing to bus activate because the thing is already running then that would explain why the unit didn't get started
[09:50] <seb128> TheMuso, there you go
[09:50] <Laney> ah man, just got a text reminding me of a dentist appointment at 08:50 on wednesday
[09:50] <Laney> WHYYYYYYYYYYYY
[09:50] <seb128> TheMuso, I guess that autostart is ubuntu specific which is why other distros don't have the issue?
[09:51] <Laney> I guess that most normal people expect to be somewhere by 08:50 every day of the week
[09:51]  * Laney coughs
[09:55] <TheMuso> seb128: No its not.
[09:55] <TheMuso> Other distros also have that file.
[09:55] <TheMuso> But Debian does modify it such that it does run everywhere.
[09:55] <TheMuso> Laney, seb128, tomorrow I'll do some more digging. It may be a matter of reversing Debian's modifications and seeing how things go.
[09:55] <seb128> TheMuso, well try without if that makes things better, that file is useful for most distro/desktop which don't use sytemd user session
[09:55] <TheMuso> Laney: And no worries no rush.
[09:56] <seb128> right
[09:56] <TheMuso> Right I know.
[09:56] <TheMuso> TIme for bed. Laters.
[09:56] <willcooke> night TheMuso
[09:57] <TheMuso> Night willcooke.
[09:59] <seb128> night TheMuso
[10:01] <Laney> nn
[10:03]  * didrocks hellos while doing bisecting
[10:07] <desrt> attente: found something nice at /proc/self/attr/current
[10:08] <desrt> aka 'really really quick way to find out if i'm a snap or not'
[10:08] <Laney> hey didrocks
[10:08] <Laney> good bad good good bad?
[10:09] <didrocks> Laney: I'm good, thanks! Couldn't go out at all for the week-end due to weather, but ok otherwise :)
[10:09] <Laney> you're like a caged animal
[10:09] <Laney> grrrrar
[10:14] <didrocks> ahah
[10:14] <didrocks> not untrue :)
[10:14] <Laney> was quite moist here too
[10:20] <didrocks> yeah, I guess it's this time of the year
[10:20] <didrocks> but soon, sun, out, nice weather :)
[10:20] <Laney> \o/
[10:22] <Laney> things are happening
[10:22] <Laney> my daffodils have been in flower for a week or so now
[10:22] <Laney> the trees look like they are going to get leaves soon
[10:23] <Laney> the wild garlic is coming up
[10:47] <willcooke> back
[10:47] <willcooke> looks like my WAN ip changed and so all my routes broke
[11:32] <Laney> jbicha: thx for doing those kylin reviews
[11:37] <attente> desrt: cool
[11:37] <desrt> attente: good morning :D
[11:38] <attente> good afternoon :)
[11:38] <Laney> what's going on here
[11:38] <desrt> attente is here!
[11:38] <desrt> ...is what's going on
[11:39] <Laney> ROLLEYES
[11:39]  * Laney searches for them
[11:39] <Laney> wish I hadn't rolled them away now
[11:45] <davmor2> Laney: that's what you get for not using an eyerolling box I've told you before :D
[14:16] <qengho> Hrm. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/5xics8/a_big_problem_with_joysticks_in_linux_right_now/?st=izy6vtng&sh=2c9c62ca
[14:17] <qengho> Summary: 1) evdev isn't as good as deprecated joydev, misses features. 2) Joystick callibration is lost when you unplug.
[14:24] <dobey> qengho: i can't even get steam to recognize my steam controller, so uh...
[17:12] <jbicha> Laney: ukui-menu uses python2; at this point is that ok since the Ubuntu desktop still has some parts using python2, if Kylin promises to fix that for 17.10? or is this something we should be firm about?
[17:15] <Laney> jbicha: I wouldn't want to add any more to Ubuntu desktop if we can help it but if they don't care for their flavour then I struggle to work myself up to bothering either
[17:26] <tedg> In Zesty, I'm getting failures with g-ir-scanner not finding a library. Have there been any changes there that anyone knows about? Failing for weird reasons.
[17:42] <Laney> tedg: not seen anything like that myself
[17:43] <Laney> got some output?
[17:44] <tedg> Laney: I do, but it's not super useful: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/309868665/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-amd64.ubuntu-app-launch_0.10+17.04.20170306-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[17:45] <tedg> I thought it was some recursive dep thing with all the stuff stuck in proposed, but that cleared on Saturday.
[17:46] <tedg> I think that dobey noticed that it built right before updates. So I think I'm going to track those down now to confirm :-/
[17:46] <jbicha> tedg: I did see something similar today
[17:46] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meson/0.39.0-1/+build/12090452
[17:47] <jbicha> meson builds fine on sid but it gets the same failure when built with glib2.0 2.51.2
[17:48] <dobey> ugh most of the changes in this gir release are all just visual studio junk changed
[18:00] <dobey> oh
[18:01] <bregma> that sounds hopeful?
[18:01] <dobey> maybe, we'll see
[18:04] <dobey> yay
[18:05] <dobey> jbicha: you removed laney's patch that wasn't upstreamed; re-applying fixes the problem
[18:05] <dobey> -support-non-gobject-libraries.patch
[18:05] <dobey> that one
[18:06] <dobey> (the upstream bug it links to, is still open, fwiw)
[18:07] <dobey> jbicha, Laney: so can we get that patch added back and a new upload, for gobject-introspection?
[18:07] <dobey> (not sure if the other two patches are still valid or not, didn't check them)
[18:10] <bregma> ah, that patch
[18:11] <bregma> I remember running in to that problem several times
[18:11] <jbicha> dobey: oh :( I mistakenly thought gobject-introspection was in sync with Debian, that's why the changelog doesn't mention sync or merge or dropped patches
[18:11] <jbicha> I'll fix that now
[18:14] <tedg> Cool, thanks dobey, thanks jbicha
[18:15] <jbicha> dobey: thanks for figuring that out!
[18:17] <jbicha> Laney: we don't need these 2 patches any more apparently?
[18:17] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gobject-introspection/1.50.0-1ubuntu2
[18:35] <Sweet5hark> https://biterrant.io/ <- ah, so much for the "SHA1 collision? but that is just a theoretical issue ..."
[18:36] <willcooke> dinner time, night all
[18:37] <jbicha> willcooke is not one for long goodbyes
[18:40] <sarnold> Sweet5hark: it's more fun to ignore their capitalization and read it instead as 'ermagerd bitterrant'  :)
[18:41] <Sweet5hark> sarnold: ;)
[20:16] <jbicha> tedg: the new g-i fixed the meson build
[20:17] <tedg> jbicha: Cool, locally or is it in the archive?
[20:20] <jbicha> both g-i and meson are in zesty-proposed
[20:27] <dobey> tedg: the ual silo already rebuilding fwiw
[20:28] <Laney> jbicha: I don't see why we wouldn't need them
[20:28] <tedg> Yup, it is looking good.
[20:29] <Laney> I got excited when I saw ual, but it is a silo for something else apparently
[20:30] <dobey> Laney: as opposed to?
[20:30] <tedg> Laney: That's next, this was an emergency request
[20:30] <tedg> dobey: Removing Upstart
[20:31] <dobey> oh