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OerHeksnom nom nom04:35
daftykins\o04:36
OerHeksjust got a cookie, don t touch  !!04:36
Bashing-omJust an acknowledgement of " hard to find indeed " . Someone should show some appreciation for all your efforts :P04:36
OerHeksThank you Bashing-om :-)04:37
daftykinsprogress with the phone systems guys!04:55
daftykinsi got the proper model voice gateway today and now have incoming calls and outgoing calls working04:55
lotuspsychjegood morning to all04:59
daftykinshello!04:59
lotuspsychjehey there daftykins05:00
lotuspsychjeall ok?05:00
OerHekshi lotus05:00
lotuspsychjehey OerHeks :p05:00
Bashing-omPicture of " mad scientist" taking over the island pops up  .05:00
daftykinsyeah not too shabby thanks, been working on my phone system today :D05:00
lotuspsychjeand hi Bashing-om05:01
lotuspsychjefull house here lol05:01
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Is back .. means a good day for lotuspsychje ! ( any day that starts here can not be all bad )05:01
OerHeksOh it is going to get better today ...05:02
lotuspsychjelol, 4 days off yihaaa05:02
OerHeksVault7 release https://twitter.com/wikileaks05:02
Bashing-omthis I gots to read !05:02
lotuspsychjeme 205:03
OerHeks"YearZero in political terms means event so big that u have a complete reset."05:03
OerHeks:-D05:03
OerHeksmaybe there is no more internet tomorrow ..05:03
lotuspsychjelolll05:04
lotuspsychjedownloading 500mb year zero05:05
lotuspsychjelets c whats inside05:05
OerHekscrack it for us please .. otherwise we must wait untill 9.00 am .. whenever that is05:07
lotuspsychjeoh its encrypted05:08
lotuspsychjeyep needs a pass with 7z05:18
lotuspsychjehttp://heavy.com/news/2017/03/what-is-wikileaks-vault-7-photos-clues-theories/05:20
OerHeks#wikileaks & #vault7 go bonkers, but do not appear in the top 1005:35
daftykinso005:36
daftykinsaaah i'm really pleased with this phone setup :)05:40
daftykinsonce it's some sane day time hours i can call someone to test it out better :D05:41
Bashing-omEyes are crossing - gotta cease and desist, G nite .06:15
ducassemorning06:55
daftykinshi sir \o06:56
daftykinsjust about to stroll down to the cafe that does an english breakfast :> back shortly06:56
lotuspsychjehey ducasse06:57
ducassemorning lotuspsychje, work today?07:02
lotuspsychjeducasse: 4 days off mate :p07:04
ducassegood for you :) what are you spending them on?07:05
lotuspsychjea bit working around the house07:07
ducassesounds like a plan. i'm rearranging some furniture today, other than that no big plans.07:09
lotuspsychjeducasse: always good to have a fresh angle in house07:10
ducassei want to put the tb somewhere different, now that spring/summer is coming. i get glare on the screen from light through the windows, which is annoying.07:12
ducasse*tv07:12
lotuspsychjeducasse: we bought some rolling curtains aswell07:17
lotuspsychjeto block sunlight07:18
lotuspsychjeand windows are always annoying lol07:21
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/gnome-recipes-app-now-available-install-ubuntu-17-0407:22
lotuspsychjebbl breakfast07:25
daftykinsmmmm fry-up :D07:46
daftykinsthat wasn't too bad for £6 odd07:46
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/iuhpmzhjj91orxo/IMG_20170307_060018.jpg?dl=007:47
ducassesounds tempting :)07:47
daftykinsducasse: got my fancy voice gateway device :>07:48
daftykinscan see it there on top of my switch... now i've got my landline phone # all hooked up to voicemail from FreePBX etc07:48
daftykinscan call out over it from a soft phone on android/Windows07:48
ducassenice :) i was thinking of playing with something like that myself, but i have so little need for phone at all. how much did the gateway cost?07:50
daftykins£35 on ebay07:50
daftykinsyeah, i would normally be the same - but as my internet connection is VDSL2 i'm forced to have the line07:51
daftykinsfor my business cards i'd find it more professional to show a landline # than just a mobile, in a way07:51
daftykinshttp://imgur.com/a/yxf7L07:53
daftykinsslowly brightening up :)07:53
ducassemaybe you're right. my isp offers voip, maybe i'll take them up on it :)07:54
daftykinsthat's the thing, out of the picture there i've got a handset plugged into the Linksys gateway now too, which can either SIP call or call out over the PSTN line07:55
ducasseregular landlines are dead to me :)07:56
daftykinsi could either VPN into home when away, or open ports on the router and have myself the ability to call out over the 'net from anywhere in the world at local prices :D07:56
lotuspsychjehi pp_cz07:59
ducassedaftykins: that's really nice, if you are away from home a lot.07:59
lotuspsychjedaftykins: wow at your cables lol08:00
pp_czhello there, lotuspsychje08:00
daftykinsducasse: i just kinda did this as a test, if i could get site-to-site working then it'd be neat to say to my client "hey, how about you have one phone in the Spain place and one in Guernsey, then you can call for free!"08:00
lotuspsychjepp_cz: welcome in our discuss room08:00
daftykinslotuspsychje: :D 6 down to the lounge alone :)08:00
pp_czlotuspsychje, thank you08:01
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: got a password yet?08:02
ducasselotuspsychje: if you think those cables are messy, you should see mine ;)08:04
lotuspsychjeducasse: lol08:04
daftykins:D08:05
daftykinswasn't too long ago i bought that table to tidy it up ;)08:05
daftykinsit was on the floor before...08:05
lotuspsychjehi BobbyJr08:05
BobbyJrHello08:05
lotuspsychje!info firefox08:06
ubot5firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 51.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 (xenial), package size 47187 kB, installed size 113516 kB08:06
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/firefox-52-0-released-as-esr-branch-will-receive-security-updates-until-2018-513620.shtml08:06
daftykinsstill on 51.0.1 here in Windows land, so it might be early yet :>08:07
lotuspsychjeyeah08:07
lordievaderGood morning.08:10
daftykinshey \o08:11
lotuspsychjehey there lordievader08:12
lordievaderHey daftykins and lotuspsychje08:13
lordievaderHow are you two?08:13
lotuspsychjegreat here tnx08:13
daftykinsgood cheers yep :) and you?08:14
lordievaderCoffee is in the making ;)08:15
daftykinsthat's what i like to hear!08:15
lotuspsychjewith a piece of fudge :p08:16
daftykins:D08:16
daftykinslotuspsychje: you must be all out by now? :)08:16
lotuspsychjeyep im broke :p08:16
daftykinsd'aww08:16
ducasselotuspsychje: you don't have fudge in .be? ;)08:21
daftykinsi was shocked when he said he'd never had any, made me post him a Guernsey sample immediately!08:21
ducassei see :) so, all they have is chocolate?08:23
lordievaderChocolate and beer, what more do you want?08:23
* lordievader slides everyone a cup of coffee08:23
lotuspsychjebelgium is all chocolats and wafles indeed08:24
ducassewell, lotus obviously wants fudge :)08:24
daftykinsooh ty \o/08:24
* daftykins handles the steaming mug with a Tux oven glove08:24
lotuspsychjelol08:24
daftykinsi'm kidding... i wish i had a Tux oven glove08:26
lotuspsychjedaftykins: think most ppl need this one lol : http://media.techeblog.com/images/facebook_like_button.jpg08:30
ducassethat's just perverse08:31
lotuspsychjehaha08:31
daftykins:D08:31
daftykinshey it's double-featured too, as you can simply rotate it 180 degrees when your meal is terrible08:31
lotuspsychjelol08:32
lotuspsychjebbl guys have a nice one08:37
daftykinsi'm just gonna put this link here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kvT40umKL808:38
lordievaderO god, that is just torment.08:38
ducasseyeah, that was *bound* to work well!08:41
daftykinsyou say that, but there are volunteers who kept insisting such an age machine was still fine for use08:43
daftykinseven with 512MB RAM that would be the same painful venture :)08:43
ducasseexpecting to run videos from youtube on such an old machine is idiocy.08:44
daftykinsi think even having the OS on is mad :D08:50
ducasseif it's 17 years old, absolutely.08:51
daftykinshttps://youtu.be/Cb-srOfRqNc wow this is bad08:53
ducassehilarious!08:55
ducasseso many artifacts, great for epileptics...08:57
daftykinsblows my mind that they're trying to claim dead or stuck pixels are normal and that users can't return them09:00
ducassewhat?! that's insane, can they even get away with that under law?09:02
ducassejust got there...09:02
daftykinssure hope not09:02
daftykinsafter enough people get it and make a fuss, they'll change their minds i'm sure09:02
daftykinsapparently they did the same with the 3DS09:02
ducassei wasn't getting one before but i'm _definitely_ not getting one now.09:08
daftykins*nod*09:08
ducassewhen a company goes straight out and says they're screwing customers, i kind of lose interest...09:09
ducassebtw daftykins, what kind of gateway did you get, exactly? would be good to know what to look for if i suddenly decide i need voip.09:17
daftykinsLinksys SPA3102 - but i only required that model for the PSTN line socket for my real landline09:21
daftykinsif you wanted an ATA which lets you plug normal handsets into a box and turns them into SIP phones, the first one i got would be more appropriate - that's a Linksys PAP2T09:22
daftykinspicked that up for £14 on ebay :>09:22
ducassethat's pretty cheap :) i'll have to think about what makes most sense, a physical landline is most likely something i don't need.09:25
ducasseare you familiar with the older thinkpads? t420 etc?09:28
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daftykinsnah never looked into them09:34
daftykinsi know a guy who's not awake right now but who knows a lot about them though09:34
ducassei remember someone mentioning they were good, stable linux machines, and i can get one pretty cheap.09:35
daftykinsyeah, does seem to be a lot of folks' opinions, probably depends on model for the most part09:35
daftykinsare you thinking of doing more stuff on the go, or just prefer laptops?09:36
ducassethe laptop i have now is a pos, and i need _something_ for bringing with me when i'm out. i've started helping a local charity with it stuff, and need a machine of my own for tracking down issues etc.09:37
daftykinsah very good09:38
BluesKajHowdy folks12:22
lotuspsychjegood afternoon to all12:45
daftykinswb \o12:45
lotuspsychjedaftykins: still playing with the voip :p12:45
daftykinsnah :D been all solidly working since this morning!12:46
daftykinsother than making an amusing voicemail message i think i'm set12:46
lotuspsychjenice nice12:46
lotuspsychjedaftykins: now you can do some business support calls free?12:46
lotuspsychjedaftykins: or you have another purpose?12:47
daftykinswell nah it's only set up with my landline right now so that would cost clients to call, but if i did set things up for remote access then i could almost install a red SIP phone at a clients and call it their batphone!12:47
daftykinsonly it'd be to me and not Batman ;D12:47
lotuspsychjelol12:48
ducassedaftykins: get a batsuit ;)12:48
lotuspsychjejingle bells, batman smells12:48
lotuspsychjerobin lays an egg12:48
daftykinsi think Mischief already has one on!12:49
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: !!! got a passphrase yet?12:49
daftykinssecret? :O12:51
lotuspsychjeOerHeks pointed us to the nex vault7 wikileaks file12:51
lotuspsychje*new12:52
daftykinsoh yessss12:52
lotuspsychjebut its encrypted12:52
lotuspsychje!zesty12:58
ubot5Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) will be the 26th release of Ubuntu.  It is due to be released in April 2017. Discussion in #ubuntu+112:58
daftykinsand so comes the end of the alphabet12:59
lotuspsychjenew lts to bug out heavyly13:00
lotuspsychjeone month to go13:00
daftykinshmm? no LTS 'til 18.04 surely13:00
lotuspsychjeoh right13:02
lotuspsychjedaftykins: can you still join #ubuntu+1 ?13:03
daftykinsthink so13:03
lotuspsychjei got in guys13:17
lotuspsychjepassphrase= SplinterItIntoAThousandPiecesAndScatterItIntoTheWinds13:18
lotuspsychjehttps://twitter.com/wikileaks13:18
lotuspsychjenow lets c whats inside OerHeks :p13:20
daftykinsit's Drabber chasing a lady dog13:20
daftykins8D13:20
lotuspsychjelol13:21
lotuspsychjelooks like a huge fbi/cia exploit database13:25
daftykinstime for me to head off, later all \o13:28
lotuspsychjelaters mate13:29
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: check this out: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/#PRESS14:12
EriC^^checking14:13
EriC^^hmm firefox won't open nor chrome wth14:14
EriC^^i hope i didn't mess the pc up, i was trying something out14:14
EriC^^let me reboot14:14
ducasseEriC^^: you've been pwned by the nsa! ;)14:15
lotuspsychjelolll14:15
lotuspsychjensa skype is old news ducasse :p14:15
lotuspsychjeprism rip, vault7 born14:16
lotuspsychjewb14:24
EriC^^all good now14:24
EriC^^thanks14:24
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: join the squoo.sh14:24
EriC^^what's the link again? it's not showing in the logs above even14:24
EriC^^(had to run fsck to fix the install)14:24
lotuspsychjecheck your invite14:25
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/#PRESS14:28
EriC^^lotuspsychje: what's the link again?14:37
ducasse https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/#PRESS14:38
EriC^^ducasse: thanks14:38
EriC^^damn, we have a samsung tv14:40
EriC^^so we should be expecting a flood of 0day patches now eh? :D14:41
ducassemine has no smart crap, and if i ever get one that does it will never be connected to a network...14:41
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: crazy isnt it?14:42
EriC^^lotuspsychje: yeah it is14:42
EriC^^it's not shocking though, pretty expected they'd have all that stuff14:43
lotuspsychjei think after PRISM, its rather big reveal14:44
ducasse_that's_ what's shocking, that this is expected and doesn't upset people. c'mon, this is _insane_!14:44
EriC^^heh they have a bunch of stuff about uefi14:46
EriC^^maybe some day we'll wake up in a cell with lights14:47
EriC^^and the guys from here are there, and they're like 'can you get our uefi install working?'14:47
ducasseor in a pod full of embryonic fluid, connected to cables ;)14:47
EriC^^we should decide from now on a word we'll say before we head for the door together14:48
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: checkout that HIVE technique, about linux14:48
lotuspsychjehttps://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf14:48
EriC^^ducasse: it is insane, and unethical, but it's the cia, if they did the iran 0day virus thing sure they'd have stuff like this going on14:49
EriC^^the scary part is what else do they have, this is the tip of the iceberg i'd think14:50
EriC^^this is basically just stuff some hackers were able to get and has been circulating in the black market for a while, they probably have insane stuff somewhere very hard to get access to14:50
ducassealso, this is the cia, not the nsa.14:50
EriC^^holy uefi heaven14:50
lotuspsychjelol14:51
EriC^^https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UEFI%202_5.pdf14:51
EriC^^2600 page pdf14:51
lotuspsychjethat will take some time to read oO14:51
EriC^^they've hacked the shit out of uefi14:52
EriC^^flash unlocks and payloads to the firmware and some crazy ass stuff14:52
EriC^^xD14:53
EriC^^yeah i saw the size and thought "i didn't really like uefi THAT much really"14:53
EriC^^haha14:53
lotuspsychjelol14:53
EriC^^anyways this is good for the general public, lots of cool stuff might come out of these14:54
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: keep refreshing their twitter, its insane14:54
EriC^^that guy from wikileaks has some balls14:54
lotuspsychjezero day flaws on android and IOs14:54
EriC^^i think he was last in some embassy living like 3 years inside it cause they want him so badly14:55
lotuspsychjeits payback time for him14:55
ducassenicaraguan one in london, i think.14:55
lotuspsychjesnowden still in russia14:55
EriC^^lol, at least they have a sense of humor about it https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_21561431.html14:56
EriC^^or is that a wikileaks under construction picture?14:56
ducassehehe, trump is going to go crazy over this leak :)14:58
lotuspsychjeducasse: lol15:00
ducasseit will be interesting to see just how many press outfits will dare to take this on.15:02
lotuspsychjethis is world news ducasse15:02
lotuspsychjeby tomorrow, the whole net will have articles15:03
ducassei know, but for how long will there be interest?15:04
ducassemaybe i'm too pessimistic. i just wonder if the general public will care much, and if big media will push down their throats why they absolutely should.15:06
lotuspsychjeits got too big to ignore15:07
lotuspsychjeducasse: but im sure many ppl will not care even15:07
ducassesnowden was too big to ignore, but the vast majority of people did.15:07
lotuspsychjetrue15:07
lotuspsychjeducasse: but then, all those who do care, is an improvement for humanity15:08
lotuspsychjethe other 75% still sleeping on their smartphones :p15:09
ducassehttp://www.moviefanatic.com/quotes/wanting-people-to-listen-you-cant-just-tap-them-on-the-shoulder/15:10
lotuspsychjelol15:10
ducassein my opinion snowden was that sledgehammer, but it seems not.15:11
EriC^^lotuspsychje: hive is a trojan?15:11
ducasselooks like an exploit platform or something15:12
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: think its like a centralized app yeah15:12
lotuspsychjesomething like metasploit15:12
lotuspsychjethe whole vault has tons of techniques15:13
ducasse"yeah, guys, _of course_ you need all this to fight terr'ism"15:15
EriC^^i love how their tutorials and how-to's are so concise and to the point15:15
EriC^^looking at this one under "linux" https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_16384684.html15:16
lotuspsychjessh15:18
lotuspsychjeHIVE is a multi-platform CIA malware suite and its associated control software. The project provides customizable implants for Windows, Solaris, MikroTik (used in internet routers) and Linux platforms and a Listening Post (LP)/Command and Control (C2) infrastructure to communicate with these implants.15:19
WirehunterDoes it come with Ubuntu by default? :P15:22
lotuspsychjelol15:23
EriC^^ubuntu 007-edition15:23
Wirehuntersudo apt remove hive15:23
lotuspsychjethe ubuntu-hardened guys will have a lot of work again15:24
lotuspsychjeOerHeks will have a lot to read when he comes home15:26
lotuspsychjecool how that smarttv stuff is handled https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_12353643.html15:34
EriC^^there's using some cool tool for data recovery to show how it's better to securedelete a file i wonder what it is15:38
EriC^^https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/image2015-5-6%2014:40:34.png15:38
lotuspsychjelets c15:39
EriC^^"Some say i'm a dreamer, but i am not.."15:39
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: under wich category did you find that15:39
EriC^^their mindset is pretty funny, they think they're doing "cool stuff" and they have every right15:40
ducassethe us has zero qualms about kidnapping people in sovereign nations, after all, so why care about spying on them?15:41
EriC^^they say stuff like "while obfuscating stuff, if it's 'too cool for school' then make sure it's been obfuscated and won't be readable by malicious software detectors"15:41
EriC^^"we're doing cool stuff here, we don't want to get caught on something silly"15:42
EriC^^lotuspsychje: it was under "forensics"15:42
ducassetechs often think like that, sadly. common among people who work for spammers etc.15:43
lotuspsychjeducasse: spying on people, in their eyes is to control and gather powers15:43
ducasselotuspsychje: i know, i'm just saying they think they can do as they please because nobody can stand up to them. they're in for a rude awakening in the next ten-twenty years.15:45
lotuspsychjeso true15:46
lotuspsychjeat least the linux guys are comming for them :p15:46
lotuspsychjehacking the hackers lol15:46
lotuspsychjebrb doing dishes15:47
EriC^^lotuspsychje: ducasse did you guys see the research mit did on the vibrations from chips bag and such?15:57
ducasseEriC^^: no?15:57
EriC^^ducasse: they wrote an algorithm that converts vibrations off of random objects in the room to sound, like in the movie eagle eye, when the supercomputer knows what they're saying from the waves in the coffee cup15:58
EriC^^it's the same thing, except they did it using a bag of chips, and a plant i think15:58
naccthat was a while backc, right?15:59
EriC^^it's pretty freaking crazy, the sound is audible and you can make out what they're saying, anyways it's also been used with keyboards, apparently the key stroke of every key in the laptop is slightly different than the others15:59
EriC^^yeah i tis15:59
naccyeah, it's nuts15:59
EriC^^so they can use a plant in the room to figure out the password somebody writes on his keyboard from the sound of the keys15:59
ducassethe keyboard thing i knew about, but not this.15:59
* ducasse is sad now :(16:00
EriC^^there's also a pretty crazy invention i saw16:00
EriC^^inner speech usually lets the larynx have tiny movements16:01
EriC^^so when you usually say something in your head, the larynx actually moves ever so slightly16:01
OerHekscareful with your hdd-led, too!16:02
EriC^^they made a band you place around your neck, which can pick up on these muscle movements and it says what you're thinking16:02
EriC^^it's supposed to be a "hands-free, talking-free" cellphone of the future16:02
EriC^^lol16:02
naccyes, because it's a short-circuit in the brain16:02
EriC^^like you just say the stuff in your head, and it sends them to whoever you're talking on the phone with16:03
EriC^^xD16:03
naccyeah, the problem is it says stuff you aren't yet saying16:03
naccpre-speech :)16:03
EriC^^"honey are you still at work?" - "shit i have to lie" - "what?" xD16:03
ducassethat's bound to go down well :)16:04
EriC^^if they make the receiver super super better16:04
EriC^^they could possibly make a device that you point at someone, and know what they're saying16:04
EriC^^that'd be pretty nuts as a spying tool16:05
EriC^^like mel gibson's movie when he can tell what women are thinking xD16:05
EriC^^take it to dates with you, and *bam*16:06
naccwe would have known aobut his anti-Semitism much earlier :)16:06
EriC^^lol16:07
ducassei can't take mel gibson seriously after south park finished with him :)16:12
naccducasse: s/after.*//16:13
ducasse:)16:13
EriC^^it just hit me these cia/nsa guys could easily be in freenode, a lot of their material comes from stackoverflow and places like that16:17
EriC^^https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14588102.html16:18
ducasse"Handles are being stolen, files are being corrupted, its all good! ... We were trashing data.  It was awesome."16:20
lotuspsychjearticles are starting to spread mainstream https://twitter.com/wikileaks16:20
EriC^^lol they made a gif for kicks and giggles https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/makeitrain.gif16:25
OerHeksThis is all planned, wikileaks = trump16:25
ducasse"notably absent is any reference to extremists or transnational criminals"16:26
OerHeksDoes anyone of you, opened the file itself?....16:30
OerHekstime to reinstall :-D16:30
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: me16:31
ducassei didn't even grab the .torrent :)16:31
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: it holds same stuff thats online now16:31
lotuspsychjehtml links to browser16:32
lotuspsychjehttps://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/83915458297033523216:53
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: ive read snapd can be installed on 14.04 now, would that let users install libreoffice for 14.04 or latest libreoffice?18:22
ducasselatest, in theory.18:22
lotuspsychjethat could be interesting right18:22
lotuspsychjerunning isolated snaps on an older ubuntu version without ppa conflicts?18:23
OerHeksthat is the beauty of snap18:23
ducasselotuspsychje: have you tried searching the snap index for 'test' or 'hello world' snaps?18:25
lotuspsychjeducasse: no, why?18:26
lotuspsychjebig list already woot18:26
lotuspsychjelotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ snap find libreoffice18:27
lotuspsychjeName         Version  Developer  Notes  Summary18:27
lotuspsychjelibreoffice  5.3.0.3  canonical  -      LibreOffice is a powerful office suite including word processing and creation of spreadsheets, slideshows and databases18:27
lotuspsychje!info libreoffice xenial18:27
ubot5libreoffice (source: libreoffice): office productivity suite (metapackage). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:5.1.6~rc2-0ubuntu1~xenial1 (xenial), package size 3 kB, installed size 17 kB18:27
lotuspsychjepretty nice18:27
EriC^^OerHeks: how often do you have to take the dog to the vet18:31
EriC^^?18:31
lotuspsychjedrabber sick?18:32
EriC^^no i'm wondering about getting a dog18:32
OerHeksEriC^^, once a year, april prefferably, 1 big cocktail shot any 3 years=€122, and the other years small =€6518:32
OerHeksand i do his nails myself, else you need to go any 2 months @ €7,5018:33
EriC^^OerHeks: do you have to do the worm cleaning stuff?18:33
OerHeks3 dogs, ²7,50 .. and toe clipper costs €10 :-D18:33
lotuspsychjeand every day doggy walk18:33
OerHeksEriC^^, yes, besides vet visit, i do flee dups any month, and wurms any 2 months.18:34
EriC^^oh ok18:34
OerHeksflee drups = €20 / 4 months, anti wurmy stuff =€1518:34
EriC^^the flee dups and worms, you can do them from home? like it's a product you buy?18:34
OerHeksso besides his €8 on food, i pay about  €8 for treatment stuff18:35
OerHeksyes, local pet shop18:35
EriC^^oh ok awesome, thanks!18:35
* ducasse is glad to hear drabber is well cared for18:35
OerHeksbut Drabber eats small portions, so a big dog might be more expensive, larger flee drups and such18:36
ducasse!cookie | OerHeks18:36
ubot5OerHeks: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!18:36
EriC^^just have to sort of convince my grandma still18:36
lotuspsychjelol18:36
OerHeksand if you don't give him humanoid cookies, and foood with salt/sugar, you don't need the dentist :-D18:36
EriC^^it's tricky, she doesn't like dogs but i'm sure if we get a very tiny infant one she'll like him/her18:37
OerHeksChoose a girl .. much cleaner18:37
ducasseEriC^^: or get a big rottweiler that will just eat grandma ;)18:38
EriC^^OerHeks: how so?18:38
OerHeksonly yes, 2x a year she can get puppies18:38
OerHeksGirls are cleaner, more attention to the owner.18:38
ducasseis that true for any breed?18:38
OerHeksoh, if you have horses ..18:39
OerHeks.. you don get flees :-D18:39
OerHeksfunny factoid, but it is true.18:39
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: this something for you? http://img.funnytab.net/gallery/misc/Killer_Dog.jpg18:39
EriC^^lotuspsychje: lol that's the one18:40
lotuspsychjehehe18:40
EriC^^i can sneak him in my jeans pocket til she gets used to the idea18:40
EriC^^i'll just have to pretend to have a bad cold for a while18:40
OerHeksducasse, drabber is not just a dog, he is a helping dog too ( he can break my ptss downs)18:40
OerHeksso if €80 food is better for him, i would buy it.18:40
ducasseOerHeks: my point was just that far too many don't care for their dogs at all18:41
OerHeksEriC^^, about food: check expensive food ingredients against 'cheap' brands, there is almost no difference, just the smell for the owner. dog wants dirty anyway18:42
OerHeksducasse, true, most of the times they don't listen to the dog.18:42
EriC^^i read that dogs are so accustomed to humans, that an infant dog is like a baby human and learns human gestures and stuff, like they are able to get even an eye movement what it means by the owner18:42
EriC^^pretty nuts that evolution of dogs and human breeding of them changed them in such a short time18:43
OerHeksEriC^^, true, drabber knows perfectly how to get attention. but he won't fake it.18:43
OerHeksdogś don't lie18:43
OerHeksoke, they borrow food from other dogs ...18:43
ducasselotuspsychje: careful with CrazyTux/CrazyPenguin, he's notorious for wasting our time by asking the same dumb questions over and over and...18:56
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah rings a bell18:56
naccindeed18:56
ducassetold him earlier today that others reported problems with that chipset but i couldn't find a definitive fix, now he's back and "waiting for solution"18:58
lotuspsychjehttps://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/83918702579430195219:04
lotuspsychjelol19:04
OerHeksThat is why i keep logs, http://pastebin.com/raw/5fRwumGa19:07
OerHeks🎶lonely people19:08
ducasse...and now try CrazyPenguin as well...19:08
OerHekssame person?19:09
ducasseyep19:10
OerHeksoh i see, same intel 5500 ..19:11
OerHekssame skills tell me wikileaks = trump :-D19:12
* OerHeks makes coffee19:12
* ducasse offers OerHeks tea instead, it's late19:12
naccstill before noon here!19:13
* nacc runs to the kitchen19:13
ducasselotuspsychje: you still digging through the stink-pile of docs?19:26
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ducasseOerHeks: geez, that got my pulse up :)20:29
OerHeks:-D20:30
OerHeks>> MediocreN, CrazyTux is a daily guest, he is playing with you20:30
ducassei saw it. did you see "21:26 <CrazyTux> is Mate better and more advanced than Xubuntu?" ?20:31
ducassehow many times is he going to ask this, install one desktop, remove another, reinstall a third time and complain that stuff breaks?20:32
OerHeksintel 5500 .. should work fine. or he is impatient something..20:33
ducasseeither he's trolling, or he is unusually thick. the worst is the constant skipping between channels and repeating questions.20:33
ducassehe must think we're lying to him.20:34
OerHeksit happens in linux and debian channels too..20:34
ducasseyes, i've noticed.20:34
OerHeksThough it is good to investigate, his questions hide knowledge20:35
ducassehe's wasting people's time.20:35
ducasseit's ok to asl, but don't ask the same question a hundred times in several different channels.20:36
ducasse*ask20:36
OerHeksLets see, how many servers and desktops i have wrecked with my support ...20:36
OerHeks1 every month, that would be 96 \0/20:37
ducasseeh, they get what they pay for ;-)20:38
ducassegreetings, Bashing-om !20:56
Bashing-omGood day ducasse . Getting settled in .. see what the day brings .20:58
ducasseBashing-om: i'll soon be signing off, had enough fun for one day :)21:05
Bashing-omducasse: " had enough fun for one day " seems to happen on a regular basis around here . I try and hand it back to you in the same shape you left ( all squared away and running ) .21:09
ducasseBashing-om: ah, a guy with mysql problems after upgrade - that's my cue to leave :)21:22
ducassesleepytime.21:22
OerHeks:-)21:23

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