[01:21] <prophet> hi
[05:26] <terry_> hi
[05:26] <terry_> bro
[08:24] <mate|42168> What defrent ver 16 and 17
[08:24] <alkisg> !lts
[08:25] <alkisg> 16 is LTS, better use that one
[08:25] <alkisg> 16.04
[08:25] <mate|42168> I need for fast..
[08:26] <alkisg> It's fast
[08:26] <mate|42168> Min resource memory
[08:26] <alkisg> OK
[08:26] <mate|42168> 17 or 16 tls
[08:26] <alkisg> 16 lts
[08:27] <mate|42168> Oke thx
[08:27] <alkisg> np
[12:52] <finexbeer> hi
[12:52] <finexbeer> is the pentium p6100 good for programming in ubuntu mate??
[12:54] <alkisg> Again, yes
[12:54] <alkisg> Stop asking :)
[15:52] <joem86> Hi, I have a very strange issue that is inconsistent. I use the Colemak keyboard layout as my primary, and Qwerty as my secondary. When I minimize certain GTK apps (pluma, disks, intellij idea) it automatically changes my keyboard layout to the secondary one. Very frustrating. Have any of you run into this?
[15:53] <joem86> I just noticed it doesn't happen when I click the "_" button on the toolbar, but if I hit the window name on the window list it'll happen.
[15:54] <joem86> I'm starting to think it may be related to MATE panel
[15:55] <alkisg> joem86: there's an option to use a different layout per window
[15:55] <alkisg> Have you enabled that one?
[15:55] <joem86> I can see if it affect the behavior. It's not a feature I would normally desire though. I'll give it a shot.
[15:55] <alkisg> Right click on the language icon, if you have it, and select preferences
[15:56] <alkisg> Then go to layouts tab and see if it's [v] checked
[15:56] <joem86> Yep, I see it. It wasn't checked before. It is now.
[15:56] <alkisg> Nooo
[15:56] <joem86> I'll leave it un-checked
[15:56] <alkisg> I was just saying if it was laready, uncheck it :
[15:57] <alkisg> Are you using ibus or fcitx or something? Or just plain gnome kbd handling?
[15:57] <joem86> Gotcha. Yeah it's been unchecked.
[15:57] <alkisg> ps aux|grep ibus, ps aux|grep fcitx
[15:57] <joem86> I'm not sure. It's likely whatever was enabled by default. How can I check?
[15:57] <joem86> cool, one sec
[15:58] <joem86> Neither of those commands returned any running processes (besides the grep process)
[15:58] <alkisg> OK, then it's plain gnome
[15:58] <alkisg> Output of setxkbmap -query?
[15:59] <joem86> What's the protocol for command output here? pastebin?
[15:59] <alkisg> Yeah, or setxkbmap -query | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:59] <alkisg> This puts it to termbin and gives the URL
[15:59] <Menzador> joem86: Ubuntu pastebin or dpaste are probably the best
[15:59] <joem86> hia, nice
[15:59] <joem86> http://termbin.com/ylr8
[16:00] <joem86> TIL
[16:00] <Menzador> Why are we using evdev and not libinput?
[16:01] <alkisg> I think it's just a matter of time, for more software to adopt it
[16:01] <joem86> Good question. I installed Ubuntu MATE 14.04 and have been upgrading to each new version. Currently at 16.10
[16:01] <alkisg> joem86: and if you press win+space, and run setxkbmap -query again, does it produce different output?
[16:01] <alkisg> (i.e. if you do change the variant
[16:01] <joem86> http://termbin.com/sqe2
[16:01] <joem86> it does not seem to change the output
[16:02] <alkisg> OK so it appears it's actually handled by xorg and not gnome
[16:02] <joem86> It would seem that there are competing strategies for alternate keyboard layouts
[16:03] <alkisg> Does setxkbmap -query change if you change the variant from the panel icon?
[16:03] <alkisg> instead of win+space?
[16:03] <joem86> It does not
[16:03] <joem86> I can try with one of my TTYs as well
[16:03] <alkisg> cat /etc/default/keyboard | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:04] <joem86> http://termbin.com/klxf
[16:04] <alkisg> OK, this one will be harder...
[16:04] <joem86> FWIW the panel icon has no effect on other TTYs
[16:05] <alkisg> You mean VTs? Like, Alt+Ctrl+F1?
[16:05] <joem86> exactly
[16:05] <alkisg> Those are not managed by xorg nor gnome
[16:05] <alkisg> Ignore them
[16:05] <joem86> Got it. I'm with you so far
[16:05] <alkisg> OK, this one will be harder, don't run them before I finish,
[16:05] <joem86> sure thing
[16:05] <alkisg> sudo service lightdm stop
[16:05] <alkisg> This will stop xorg and get you to a tty
[16:05] <alkisg> Login from vt1, then run sudo xinit
[16:06] <alkisg> This will get you a plain xterm
[16:06] <alkisg> Move the mouse over it, and see if your variants work as you expect them,
[16:06] <alkisg> then type exit, then sudo service lightdm start
[16:06] <alkisg> This will show us if xorg manages the layouts properly, or if it needs to be reconfigured with sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[16:07] <joem86> Cool, I'll give it a shot. One second, I'll switch to weechat in TTY2 just in case (I'm on hexchat now)
[16:07] <alkisg> OK :)
[16:11] <joem86_> It looks like only my main variant is there
[16:11] <alkisg> joem86_: ok, before restarting lightdm,
[16:11] <alkisg> exit from xterm, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, try to select whatever suits you,
[16:11] <alkisg> run sudo xinit again, and see if you can make it work with plain xorg
[16:12] <joem86_> sure thing. One thing I forgot to mention is that I may not have 2 keyboard layouts for the root user, only my regular user
[16:12] <alkisg> If yes, then you can just let xorg manage your keyboard and tell all desktop environments not to touch your configuration
[16:12] <alkisg>  /etc/default/keyboard affects all users
[16:15] <joem86_> hmmm, that only gives me the option for 1 keyboard layout.
[16:16] <alkisg> I have us,gr from there
[16:16] <joem86_> I want coworkers to be able to assist at my workstation using the Qwerty layout, so being able to switch it easily would be nice
[16:16] <joem86_> maybe I missed something in dpkg-reconfigure
[16:16] <joem86_> I'll try again
[16:16] <alkisg> I'm not sure if qwerty is a layout or a variant
[16:16] <alkisg> It might not support multiple variants there
[16:17] <joem86> Interesting. So I think I'm still at the point where I would like Gnome/MATE to manage the keyboard variants for me, but minimizing some things in the MATE panel will switch to variant 2.
[16:18] <joem86> It behaves as if I click the language indicator
[16:19] <alkisg> That was the extend of my knowledge on the subject, sorry :)
[16:19] <joem86> No problemo, thanks for checking. At least gives me something to explore.
[16:24] <joem86> This is interesting. I selected a different keyboard during dpkg-reconfigure (since I don't think I have an international keyboard), and the strange behaviors don't seem to happen anymore since restarting lightdm.
[21:26] <finexbeer> hi
[21:43] <CrimsonSunrise> I'm having an issue with Steam on Ubuntu MATE 16.04.2. Steam will install and update, but opening will not draw the window on the screen. The only way to close Steam is to kill the process.