[00:00] <kangaroo73> not yet - will switch to notebook with virt-manager ...
[00:00] <nacc> kangaroo73: i just edited the page to make it a lot clearer -- can you refresh and see if it is clearer?
[00:01] <kangaroo73> that's okay ... thanks
[00:02] <nacc> kangaroo73: does that mean it's clearer now?
[00:02] <kangaroo73> yiha
[00:02] <kangaroo73> that was a big mistake by me, nacc
[00:02] <nacc> kangaroo73: that's what i was getting so frustrated myself, as it seemed very clear to me
[00:03] <nacc> but the font is not very distinguished and i think the indent helps a lot
[00:07] <kangaroo73> hmmm
[00:07] <kangaroo73> the old problem
[00:07] <kangaroo73> my Windows-10-Guest gets no IPv4-Address
[00:09] <kangaroo73> nacc: is there a special kvm-network-config?
[00:09] <kangaroo73> I've selected br0 as source, and virtio as model
[00:10] <nacc> kangaroo73: i would first see if an ubuntu guest gets an ip addreess to make sure it's all working
[00:10] <kangaroo73> yep - I can log in to ssh and ping external addresses
[00:10] <kangaroo73> oh wait
[00:10] <kangaroo73> an guest?
[00:10] <nacc> kangaroo73: yes
[00:11] <kangaroo73> I only have one guest "w10"
[00:11] <kangaroo73> hmm
[00:11] <Zythyr> Need help. I want to display my desired image file in full screen mode. I prefered display file format is SVG. How can I display it in full screen mode. I used Fbi (framebuffer image viewer). However it doesn't seem to respect the viewBox paramters of the SVG file.
[00:11] <kangaroo73> I can set one up
[00:11] <kangaroo73> but not today
[00:11] <kangaroo73> Let me say thank you again for your great help
[00:12] <nacc> kangaroo73: np -- i have never tried to run a windows guest
[00:12] <kangaroo73> I've learned again something - especially more to concentrate!!!!
[00:12] <kangaroo73> It worked like a charme before ....
[00:12] <nacc> kangaroo73: so i would try to run linux as a guest, which is a known to work and easy thing to test
[00:12] <kangaroo73> suddenly dead - maybe an update or something
[00:13] <kangaroo73> I will test - if it works, I'll come back and report ....
[00:13] <kangaroo73> cya
[00:19] <kangaroo73> I can't remember of this message: Libvirt did not detect any UEFI/OVMF firmware image installed on the host." before ...
[00:19] <kangaroo73> is there an package in Ubuntu-Repos?
[00:24] <kangaroo73> got it ;-)
[00:26] <davido_> I seem to have deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial partner in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xenial-partner.list, and the same line in /etc/apt/sources.list. Which one should be preserved and which should be removed?
[00:27] <tim> You can't do 2 video cards and 4 monitors on unity?
[00:28] <davido_> tim: What led to that conclusion?
[00:29] <davido_> I'm running three monitors, and occasionally four. The 4th is a usb3 monitor running through displaylink.
[00:29] <tim> davido_, I bought 4 monitors and 2 nvidia gtx 1050's. It seems not to work
[00:29] <kangaroo73> nacc: One question please ... I made screenshots from the old guest ... the emulator is there "/us/bin/qemu-system-x86_64" - When setting up an new guest, the emulator is/usr/bin/kvm-spice - can you tell me something 'bout that?
[00:30] <kangaroo73> or is it, because I was connected via SSH -X for this shots??
[00:30] <tim> davido_, if I do multiple x screens only the first one works. the others just have a black screen and the mouse turns into an X when I go across it
[00:31] <davido_> If you back off to two monitors and a single card, no problem? And similarly, if you back off to two monitors on two cards, again no problem?
[00:32] <davido_> (just trying to uncover whether it's two cards that are proving difficult, or multiple monitors)
[00:32] <davido_> Anyway, sorry I've got to run.
[00:33] <tim> If I back off to 2 monitors on 1 card, i still can't do 2 x screens through the nvidia settings manager.
[00:37] <nacc> kangaroo73: you must have configured the guest to use spice
[00:37] <hdon> hi all :) why when i autoremove a bunch of older kernels does grub reinstall between every kernel? :C :C :C
[00:39] <kangaroo73> ok - and before I could select in cpu "host-passthrough" isn't it available anymore?
[00:39] <nacc> hdon: because each package removal is its own step
[00:39] <nacc> hdon: it is not 'reinstall'ing grub, it's just updating the config
[00:39] <nacc> kangaroo73: i don't know
[00:39] <kangaroo73> or is it now "host-model"
[00:40] <kangaroo73> sounds similar ..
[00:42] <hdon> nacc, it's not doing grub-install? it really better be. i want grub to give me the list of kernels i actually have installed
[00:43] <hdon> but i would prefer if it waited until after all the kernel packages were done being removed/installed
[00:43] <OerHeks> hdon, the tool rescans your kernels, and removes one at the time
[00:43] <OerHeks> just be patient
[00:43] <dar_> on an upgrade to Ubuntu_16.04, it froze at 3/4 install. after about 1:30 hours I did a hard re-boot! now 16.04 only starts IN Terminal, no desktop :( How can I fix this ???
[00:44] <OerHeks> dartry: Sudo dpkg --configure -a ### and after that: run update -f
[00:44] <OerHeks> dar_, ^^
[00:44] <dar_> yes
[00:45] <nacc> hdon: you don't need to do grub-install for that to be the case
[00:45] <phormat> hi. where (url) i can find a list of fonts installed on Ubuntu 16.04?
[00:46] <phormat> (by default)
[00:46] <hdon> nacc, oh, really? where does it store the boot configurations if not in the mbr? i thought that's what grub-install wrote
[00:47] <phormat> where (url) i can find a list of fonts installed on Ubuntu 16.04 by default (on a new system)?
[00:47] <nacc> hdon: grub-install is for installing grub to a device that's only done once
[00:47] <nacc> hdon: update-grub writes a config file in /boot that grub is able to read
[00:47] <nacc> hdon: that's my understanding
[00:47] <dar_> OerHeks: is that the repair ?
[00:48] <OerHeks> dar_, yes.
[00:49] <dar_> OK was confused :P thanks ... will try
[00:50] <phormat> OerHeks: where (url) i can find a list of fonts installed on Ubuntu 16.04 by default?
[00:51] <OerHeks> phormat, i am looking, but there seems to be no such list
[00:52] <phormat> i googled unsuccessfully, that's why i am asking here.
[00:52] <OerHeks> phormat, after install, with 'fc-list' you can see all installed fonts though
[00:52] <phormat> i know
[00:54] <phormat> i wanna move all the fonts i have installed to /home/.fonts and leave the default fonts in /usr/share/fonts
[00:54] <OerHeks> This list is *all* the fonts available, http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fonts/ but that is no help
[01:02] <S0bait1> Hello
[01:03] <S0bait1> Does DD copy an entire USb stick even if most of it's empty ? I ran the command for a microsd which is 32 gb but not completely full. Just wondering if the output will be only of the contents.. noob question.. I know.
[01:04] <kk4ewt> depends on what you are dding
[01:09] <phormat> OerHeks: isn't there some kinda source package for the whole Ubuntu 16.04 where i can see the contents of usr/share/fonts?
[01:10] <OerHeks> phormat, nope, if it was, i would have found it. maybe someone else has a better clue?
[01:11] <descript> I have Ubuntu on my laptop, but have limited SSD space. I want to put Java & Eclipse on a USB and run them from there. Is that possible?
[01:15] <nacc> phormat: OerHeks: something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/24128088/
[01:16] <nacc> phormat: OerHeks: `apt-file search /usr/share/fonts | awk -F':' '{print $2;}' | sort | uniq`
[01:16] <nacc> that's from 17.04, but you get the idea, ithink
[01:18] <ceecee> How good is Ubuntu/Linux at handling programs that work on WIndows now?
[01:18] <nacc> ceecee: natively, ubuntu does not run programs that are windows based
[01:18] <ceecee> I haven't touched Ubuntu in years and I'm wondering if I should just go Ubuntu or keep figuring out my crap with win10
[01:19] <nacc> ceecee: but there are alternatives, you can run under wine, and you can use a VM
[01:19] <ceecee> how are those?
[01:19] <ceecee> stable? work well?
[01:19] <nacc> YMMV :)
[01:19] <ceecee> ?
[01:19] <nacc> Your Mileage May Vary
[01:19] <ceecee> hmm
[01:19] <nacc> I think a VM is the most stable, but then you need a windows installation media to get the VM going
[01:20] <nacc> ceecee: but it seems like if you really have windows based programs, then you should use windows unless you're willing to put the effort into getting them working under Linux
[01:20] <ceecee> I really just use Adobe suite stuff occasionally and use Dolphin emulator for smash
[01:20] <ceecee> oh well steam games too, crap
[01:22] <ceecee> is Linux fine with skylake CPU's? I've had to upgrade hardware and windows just because of this damn CPU
[01:22] <nacc> ceecee: i'm on a skylake just fine
[01:22] <ceecee> oh yay
[01:22] <phormat> nacc: looks like the solution i'm looking for. trying this now...
[01:22] <nacc> ceecee: steam is supported under linux, but the games may not ber
[01:22] <nacc> *be
[01:23] <ceecee> I figured as much. I don't imagine games running well in a VM
[01:24] <ceecee> so looks like I might have to stick to Win10 if I can get it working
[01:24] <S0bait1> kk4ewt: ubuntu installed on my sd card
[01:24] <ceecee> and if not im just gonna put off major computer use until I get a legal copy
[01:44] <phormat> nacc: does this list include the fonts available to install on demand? it looks like this list is not limited to the fonts installed by default...
[01:46] <hhee> morn. how can i install ubuntu terminal in xfce env?
[01:46] <ningu> why would the resolvconf service not be correcting generating /etc/resolv.conf?
[01:46] <ningu> it's empty, with just a comment at the top
[01:47] <Bashing-om> hhee: xfce4 has xterm by default .
[01:47] <hhee> Bashing-om, yep. but i want terminal from usual ubuntu, :) not only xfce4-terminal.
[01:52] <Bashing-om> hhee: Right off hand I do not know what terminal unity has installed .
[01:52] <hhee> Bashing-om, got it. thx a lot anyway for your always great support.
[01:53] <Bashing-om> hhee: gnome-terminal ??
[01:53] <hhee> Bashing-om, maybe. thx
[01:55] <hhee> Bashing-om, that's it! thx!
[01:57] <Bashing-om> hhee: Only if you say so .. I not run unity, so I did not "know" for sure . :)
[01:57] <hhee> :)
[01:58] <hhee> Bashing-om, im running xfce currently :) and got gnome-terminal :)
[01:58] <hhee> Bashing-om, maybe it is unix way - to built my own workspace :)
[01:59] <wyseguy> is mint a version of ubuntu? or another version of debian?
[01:59] <tgm4883> !mint | wyseguy
[01:59] <Bashing-om> hhee: Full support from me for " roll your own " . I like it !
[01:59] <cfhowlett> wyseguy, mint is not ubuntu.
[01:59] <wyseguy> got it thanks
[02:02] <phormat> nacc: can i boot into the install on bootable flash memory and save a list of fonts using fc-list?
[02:02] <hh2010__> hello.  i recently screwed up the iptables on my Amazon EC2 instance somehow by making AMI images and attaching/detaching volumes
[02:02] <hh2010__> i am now able to connect to all the public IP addresses on my server, but not getting any traffic from the applications
[02:02] <hh2010__> web server, znc, openvpn
[02:03] <hh2010__> what should i be looking for in IPTables to figure out what is holding them up? Again, I make TCP/IP connection but no data gets transferred
[02:17] <tatertots> hh2010__: do you know what ports AND protocols should be open? have you done any testing to determine if those ports are open?
[02:17] <hh2010__> yeah i do
[02:17] <hh2010__> whats weird is i never personally changed any of the rules
[02:18] <hh2010__> something got screwed up while switching volumes/instances
[02:18] <hh2010__> so all the rules actually look the same to me as they were before
[02:18] <tatertots> hh2010__: that was a two part question...so i'll ask the one you didn't answer again
[02:18] <hh2010__> but yeahi know the ports and protocols... and in IPTables it looks like they are open
[02:18] <tatertots> hh2010__: have you done any testing to determine if the ports are open?
[02:18] <hh2010__> well i am able to connect to my openvpn for example
[02:18] <rangergord> Is there a way to make open apps stand out more in the launcher? That tiny arrow and a minor change in color is not enough for me. It's requiring more visual effort than it deserves.
[02:18] <hh2010__> so it looks like that one is open
[02:19] <hh2010__> and i was able to "wget" a file from web server
[02:19] <hh2010__> from terminal
[02:19] <hh2010__> within instance
[02:19] <hh2010__> but not from outside of it
[02:21] <hh2010__> crap i have to run to catch train... dont even have znc to keep track of convo for me lol
[02:21] <hh2010__> will keep poking around and come back later if the problme persists.  thanks anyway for your help
[02:33] <hiexpo> the only thing it canbe is port blocking
[02:37] <tonyt> can anyone tell me the command to fix the log on screen? i installed lxde but no option to switch to it
[02:39] <Bashing-om> tonyt: In the login box upper right corner . click on the icon, do you not get a dropdown choice of the DE to load ?
[02:44] <hannibal> hello everyone hopw are you all?
[02:45] <semitones> gud gud, guing well -- how's your ubuntu?
 it doesnt show up there
[02:57] <tonyt> no choices at all
[02:59] <dar_> OerHeks: is that the repair ? :D YES IT IS !!!! I Have Ubuntu 16.04 up & running LIKE it Should ...  didn't Loose A Thing , Thanks A LOT !!!
[03:01] <Bashing-om> tonyt: I then would question the state of the lxde install . what shows ' dpkg -l lxde ' ?
[03:02] <tonyt> sec
[03:02] <dar_> nite all & Thanks
[03:02] <tonyt> ony@tony:~$ dpkg -l lxde
[03:02] <tonyt> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[03:02] <tonyt> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[03:02] <tonyt> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[03:02] <tonyt> ||/ Name             Version       Architecture  Description
[03:02] <tonyt> +++-[03:02] <tonyt> ii  lxde             7ubuntu1      all           Metapackage for LXDE
[03:03] <Bashing-om> !paste | tonyt
[03:06] <Ricardus> Gimp is up to 2.8.20 or so now, as of Feb. Any idea when that will hit the repos?
[03:07] <Bashing-om> !latest | Ricardus
[03:08] <Ricardus> thats the latest stable version. It has a bug fix I need, thats for sure.  :-)
[03:10] <hiexpo> Ricardus, you can download the tar and compile yourself
[03:12] <hiexpo> usually there are many packages that have updated you will have to install and may not work out
[03:28] <Zythyr> Need help. I am trying to build fbida (framebuffer image viewer) on Ubuntu 16 LTS. I am getting error. https://github.com/wware/fbida/issues/1#issuecomment-284045385
[03:32] <elisa871> please have a look and if possible answer over there http://askubuntu.com/questions/890362/grabbing-specific-columns-of-a-csv
[03:33] <jon-mac> anyone have any guesses as to what would cause all operations on a file to give permission denied, even when the permissions are clearly right? even things like lsattr are giving permission denied -- I thought maybe corrupt fs but it seemed to happen again on a new file on a separate hard drive even :/
[03:39] <Guy1524> hey guys, is it possible to intercept opengl calls?
[03:40] <Guy1524> it looks very complicated from what I have seen so far
[03:42] <sriniwas> Hi Everyone, My audio isn't working I've tried different distros but the same result and I don't have any hardware problem 'cause it worked in XP
[03:43] <OerHeks> Zythyr, years old project, ask the maintainer?
[03:44] <jon-mac> is it documented anywhere what OEMs do with Ubuntu installs? I upgraded a dell install of 14.04 to 16.04 and things just seems a bit jacked up, but am not sure what dell did exactly
[03:44] <tatertots> sriniwas: open terminal
[03:44] <Zythyr> OerHeks I emailed the creator but no response. The project was recently updated since the latest release was feb 2017
[03:44] <Zythyr> OerHeks https://www.kraxel.org/releases/fbida/
[03:47] <tatertots> sriniwas: if your audio doesn't work across multiple linux distributions then you don't have a ubuntu problem either
[03:51] <OerHeks> Zythyr, not sure, maybe you want the FBI package, Linux frame buffer image viewer?? http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/fbi comes from fbida too
[03:51] <OerHeks> !info fbi
[03:52] <Zythyr> OerHeks Yes, I want Fbi. But when I install Fbi from ubuntu, its outdated. The version it installs is v2.09. Thats why I am trying to build from source
[03:54] <sriniwas> Hi Everyone, My audio isn't working I've tried different distros but the same result and I don't have any hardware problem 'cause it worked on XP.
[03:55] <sriniwas> and I'm currently on Solus OS.
[03:55] <BlueProtoman> Is there a tool I can use to record and play back mouse and keyboard input?
[03:57] <OerHeks> BlueProtoman, Gnee and Xmacro can do that
[03:57] <OerHeks> !info gnee
[03:57] <OerHeks> !inf xmacro
[03:57] <OerHeks> !info xmacro
[03:58] <BlueProtoman> OerHeks: Awesome, thanks!
[03:58] <OerHeks> sriniwas, this is ubuntu support only, no derivates.
[03:58] <OerHeks> .. and how do you tell sound is not working?
[04:00] <Zythyr> I just posted a question on StackExchange. If anyone has insights, please feel free to help: https://superuser.com/questions/1186005/unable-to-use-make-when-building-fbida-fbi-from-source
[04:00] <sriniwas> OerHeks, I had the same problem on in ubuntu also, I mean absolutely no sound my volume is full and everything
[04:01] <OerHeks> sriniwas, without ubuntu, this wiki is of no use for you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[04:02] <sriniwas> Ok, Thanks :)
[04:21] <acidchild> anyone know where the gpgkey2ssh binary/package went on xenial?
[04:21] <acidchild> ccccccevnjvbcneejgjfggtrrfekrcegegllveuglnbd
[04:25] <OerHeks> acidchild, it used to be in gnupg-agent ..
[04:26] <OerHeks> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/gnupg-agent/filelist
[04:27] <acidchild> I saw that, I'm wondering where it has gone to now? :)
[04:27] <acidchild> dpkg -L $PKG shows no gpgkey2ssh :(
[04:28] <Zythyr> Need help. My /dev/fb0 device disppears after installing NVIDIA graphic drivers. https://askubuntu.com/questions/890300/framebuffer-device-dev-fb0-missing-after-installing-nvidia-graphics-drivers
[04:30] <OerHeks> acidchild, >> The new command --export-ssh-key makes it easy to export an ssh public key in the format used for ssh’s authorized_keys file. By default the command exports the newest subkey with an authorization usage flags. A special syntax can be used to export other subkeys. This command is available since 2.1.11 and replaces the former debug utility gpgkey2ssh.
[04:30] <OerHeks> https://www.gnupg.org/faq/whats-new-in-2.1.html
[04:32] <acidchild> oh wonderful OerHeks thank you so much!
[04:32] <acidchild> what a rock star ;)
[04:33] <OerHeks> acidchild, it was hard to find indeed..
[04:34] <Bashing-om> !cookie | OerHeks
[04:35]  * acidchild gives OerHeks a humbug
[04:36] <OerHeks> acidchild, so you are playing with yubikey?
[04:37] <jinliang> hi
[04:39] <acidchild> OerHeks: yeah? you noticed me adjust my laptop and dump a OTP? :P
[04:39] <acidchild> disabled that now! irritating :)
[04:40] <acidchild> OerHeks: have one?
[04:42] <OerHeks> acidchild, yes, old versions before 2.x
[04:45] <utsav> how can we hack a wifi through ubuntu mate
[04:45] <cc_2> Hi everyone
[04:45] <utsav> how can we hack a wifi through ubuntu mate
[04:46] <cc_2> hackawifi.exe
[04:47] <utsav> can we make ubuntu as our base os instead of wimdows
[04:48] <utsav> can we make ubuntu as our base os instead of windows
[04:48] <OerHeks> utsav, hacking is beyond the scope of this channel.
[04:48] <utsav> ok
[04:58] <utsav> hi what is the topic
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[05:04] <Zythyr> Need help writing a bash script. I want execute teh following command for each file located in the argument director "inkscaope -z *.svg -e *.svg". The * is the name of the file. How do I write it? I trying doing for i in (ls *.svg); echo.... But it doesn't work
[05:24] <hypermist> the moment you need 3.5.3
[05:24] <hypermist> of python
[05:38] <elricsfate> How can I force the reinstall of config files with apt-get???
[05:40] <elricsfate> Nevermind, think I got it
[06:00] <zamba> i have a problem with the unattended automatic security updates filling up my /boot with old kernels
[06:03] <hypermist> i just removed python3.5.2 from my system
[06:03] <hypermist> and it still says it installed
[06:03] <hypermist> xD
[06:03] <hypermist> how
[06:04] <Bashing-om> zamba: One has to set unattended-upgrades to "autoremove" : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2343732 ; https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2339387 .
[06:05] <toeshred> is it possible to install gcc-5-base in 14.04? Running into a dependency hell with libstdc++6 requiring gcc-5-base (and there is no gcc-5-base installation candidate).
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> !latest | toeshred
[06:09] <toeshred> lotuspsychje: i understand the latest isn't the best. but this situation requires gcc-5-base in ordedr to even regain my apt-get upgrade functionality back to the system.
[06:09] <toeshred> either that or i have to remove ppa's, which will uninstall half my system if i do that.
[06:10] <toeshred> or just format and reinstall ubuntu from scratch.
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> toeshred: we dont support ppa's mate
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> toeshred: you first will need to ppapurge to clean system
[06:11] <toeshred> would like to try ppa-purge, but i can't install anything from my package manager at the moment.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | toeshred
[06:24] <toeshred> lotuspsychje: i fixed the problem by manually downloading libstdc++6 for 14.04 and installing it with dpkg.
[06:24] <anddam> Zta: no it's fine, I was still waiting on that question
[06:25] <anddam> btw my deja-dup process exited with error since ssh process died (likely I closed the laptop) while it was backing up
[06:25] <anddam> one there's the automatically scheduled backup I don't see a way to trigger a manual one in Settings > Backup
[06:25] <anddam> what's the proper approach to complete or redo the failed backup?
[06:26] <hypermist> how can i isntall python 3.5.3 on ubuntu ?
[06:28] <anddam> note to self: deja-dup --backup CLI, apparently
[06:28] <anddam> hypermist: is it in repository?
[06:28] <hypermist> well typign sudo apt-get install python3.5 install 3.5.2
[06:31] <anddam> so that's it
[07:06] <Zythyr> Need help. I this simple bash script, I am grabbing all files with .svg extension from a given argument directory. However, the issue is that all files with a space in the file name get ignored. How can I fix this issue? http://pastebin.com/SQ2FLm96
[07:13] <ducasse> Zythyr: quote your expansions
[07:13] <Zythyr> ducasse sorry I didn't understand
[07:14] <ducasse> Zythyr: "$variable", not $variable.
[07:14] <Zythyr> ducasse Which line do i do it to
[07:15] <ducasse> Zythyr: all of them.
[07:18] <Zythyr> ducasse Okay I got it work but then the basenmae doesn't work
[07:39] <miccchael> e
[07:40] <gaurav42> Hi i am from windows user. How to install java and dotnet in ubuntu
[07:43] <gaurav42> I have one website on windows that need environment of java and dotnet so i need to work that site in ubuntu
[07:45] <ducasse> !java | gaurav42
[07:46] <ducasse> gaurav42: the .net implementation is called mono
[07:46] <elias_a> Firefox on Ubuntu 16.04 does not file association for .doc files. How does one create one? Ubuntu itself has association to Libreoffice but that has no impact on Firefox.
[07:48] <gaurav42> ducasse, mono is same like dot net ?
[07:49] <ikevin> gaurav42, mono is .net
[07:49] <ducasse> gaurav42: it is a .net implementation
[07:50] <gaurav42> Ok and can i run extension .application in firefox becsuse that site download and instsll that plugin for secure logine of that site
[07:52] <ducasse> gaurav42: try asking in ##mono
[08:07] <jink> Ubuntu 16.10 / QEMU VPS: I bound my postfix to specific IPs (both ipv4 and ipv6) and it fails to start during boot, because the interfaces aren't ready, yet.  ("no local interface found for ...")  What should I do?
[08:08] <ikevin> jink, how does interfaces are configured?
[08:08] <jink> ikevin: Through /etc/network/interfaces
[08:09] <ikevin> jink, ok, can you pastebin the systemd unit of postfix?
[08:10] <jink> ikevin: This one? http://apaste.info/MA2gd
[08:10] <jink> ikevin: The additions below are mine, they didn't help. :)
[08:11] <ikevin> jink, is it normal you have "ExecStart=/bin/true" ?
[08:11] <jink> ikevin: Not a clue, I didn't change it.
[08:12] <Memelord> yo
[08:12] <Memelord> anyjuan online?
[08:12] <ikevin> jink, ok, your network settings use statics one or dhcp?
[08:12] <jink> ikevin: Static.
[08:12] <Memelord> ?
[08:13] <Memelord> what are you trying to do
[08:13] <Memelord> anyone want a virus?
[08:13] <Memelord> its free
[08:13] <Wulf> Memelord: yes please
[08:13] <Memelord> lol
[08:13] <Memelord> how do i send you it
[08:14] <Wulf> Memelord: deploy it on the web, it will eventually reach me
[08:14] <Memelord> Wulf: do you know Kali Linux
[08:14] <Memelord> Wulf: alright
[08:14] <Memelord> one sec
[08:14] <ikevin> jink, strange ! does systemd-analyze show you the good boot order?
[08:15] <Memelord> Wulf: ill put it on mega
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> Memelord: stop that please
[08:15] <Wulf> Memelord: great.
[08:15] <Memelord> fine
[08:15] <Memelord> Wulf: im trying to learn with Kali Linux
[08:15] <Memelord> its dank
[08:15] <jink> ikevin: I'm not sure how systemd-analyze works.  What options do I need?
[08:15] <ducasse> !kali | Memelord
[08:15] <Memelord> oh ok
[08:16] <Memelord> how do i go on one of those
[08:16] <ikevin> jink, try: systemd-analyze plot > plot.svg
[08:16] <Memelord> #kali-linux
[08:16] <ducasse> Memelord: /join #kali-linux
[08:19] <jink> ikevin: I'm thinking postfix.service requires postfix@-.service which does that actual work.  Maybe I should change that instead?
[08:27] <jink> ikevin: http://apaste.info/Fu4NH
[08:32] <TomyWork> has anyone here ever had this weird issue: sometimes after changing my monitor setup (in response to a new display being connected that i had briefly disconnected), some of my windows wont update anymore
[08:32] <TomyWork> they will still receive input and act accordingly, but they wont update until i resize them
[08:32] <TomyWork> and even then, they stop updating again right away
[08:32] <TomyWork> sometimes it's fixed when i drag it to the other monitor
[08:36] <TomyWork> this is on a dell precision m4800 with a 1920x1080 internal display and an external 1920x1200 samsung syncmaster 2443 connected via VGA. It's kubuntu 14.04 with nvidia-370 in power-saving mode where it only uses the on-cpu intel chip
[08:40] <FMan> hi
[08:40] <ikevin> jink, this look like systemd wait for network before starting postfix
[08:41] <ikevin> jink, can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[08:42] <jink> ikevin: http://apaste.info/SaWia
[08:43] <jink> ikevin: I'm trying to bind to .109 and ::25
[08:44] <jink> ikevin: After a boot, I can just "service postfix start" and it'll work.
[08:45] <ikevin> jink, what is the exact postfix error?
[08:45] <dami_> does anyone know about autorotation? i have a tablet/laptop thing and the rotation is offset by by 90 degrees
[08:45] <jink> ikevin: Mar  7 09:22:19 vps1 postmulti[729]: fatal: parameter inet_interfaces: no local interface found for 37.97.249.109
[08:46] <jink> And then 3 more for ipv6.
[08:46] <ikevin> jink, ok, if you can try, try to setup the first ip defined on interfaces to see if it work
[08:48] <jink> ikevin: It's rebooting, and I didn't bind ipv6
[08:48] <ikevin> jink, ok, just to know, do you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d ?
[08:49] <jink> It's empty
[08:49] <ikevin> ok
[08:50] <jink> ikevin: So, it didn't start postfix, but there's no error in mail.err either.
[08:51] <jink> ikevin: "service postfix start" just starts it on the other ip.
[08:51] <ikevin> jink, postfix service is always enabled?
[08:52] <jink> ikevin: I imagine it is, how do I check?
[08:52] <ikevin> jink, what doest systemctl status say?
[08:54] <jink> ikevin: Hmmm, postfix.service isn't in there, just system-postfix.slice and postfix@-.service
[08:55] <jink> Oh, meh, meeting in 5. :(
[08:55] <jink> ikevin: bbl
[08:55] <jink> Thanks, so far. :)
[08:55] <ikevin> you welcome, see you later
[09:20] <manish_> how to install chrome in ubuntu ?
[09:21] <ducasse> manish_: download it from google and install it
[09:22] <manish_> How to download ?
[09:23] <manish_> thank god i can watch porn to-night, thank you  for saving my life mr.ducasse
[09:30] <Guest40361> username
[09:30] <Guest40361> guest40361
[09:30] <Guest40361> logout
[09:31] <Guest40361> logout all
[09:31] <Guest40361> guest logout
[09:31] <guest> Wat
[09:36] <donttrustem> Hi,  I have been try to workout why a cronjob will not run for 3 days now and now lost the plot.   I can run the script with php -f from the cli and it works … the cronjob runs but does not work :(  */5 * * * * www-data /usr/bin/php /var/www/support/api/cron.php
[09:36] <donttrustem> Can anyone tell me how to debug this please
[09:37] <donttrustem> I am using 16.04
[09:39] <ducasse> donttrustem: which file did you add this to?
[09:39] <ppf> donttrustem: look at /var/log/syslog
[09:39] <donttrustem> ppf: I can see it runs in the syslog
[09:39] <ppf> but tldr: the fileformat is that of /etc/cron.d
[09:39] <ppf> is that where this cronjob is defined?
[09:40] <donttrustem> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24129981/
[09:40] <donttrustem> ppf it is using crontab
[09:41] <ppf> check your mail then
[09:41] <ducasse> donttrustem: then the syntax is invalid, 'man 5 crontab'
[09:41] <ppf> it'll tell you the error
[09:41] <donttrustem> ducasse: really
[09:41] <dami0> hi, can someone help me with a udev rule?
[09:42] <dami0> i'm trying to change "/sys/bus/iio/devices/iio:devices0/in_accel_mount_matrix"
[09:43] <ppf> donttrustem: yes
[09:43] <donttrustem> ppf: which bit :S
[09:43] <ppf> mail to see the error, man 5 crontab to learn how to write the rule correctly
[09:47] <jink> ikevin: Back!  Fortunately, the meeting took just 40 minutes, instead of the planned 2 hours. :D
[09:48] <zamba> anyone know of a FOSS inventory system?
[09:48] <zamba> web based
[09:49] <zamba> we need to keep track of some equipment used by a local sports team.. so we also need to know about what equipment is currently lended out as well
[09:50] <razvan_> hy guys
[09:50] <razvan_> i have a question
[09:50] <razvan_> how safe are ppa:  for ubuntu themes ???
[09:50] <razvan_> :D
[09:50] <cfhowlett> !ppa
[09:51] <razvan_> yes :D
[09:52] <donttrustem> ppf: Thanks for the pointer … www-data is the issue
[09:52] <donttrustem> runing as that user
[09:52] <ppf> yes
[09:52] <ppf> as i said, that's how you write a rule for /etc/cron.d, not a user's crontab
[09:53] <razvan_> for example  this theme  :
[09:53] <razvan_> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:noobslab/themes
[09:53] <razvan_> sudo apt-get update
[09:53] <razvan_> sudo apt-get install arc-theme
[09:53] <razvan_> how safe it is  ?
[09:54] <razvan_> just from curiosity
[09:54] <cfhowlett> razvan_, they are unsupported.  you use it, you break it, you fix it.
[09:55] <razvan_> :))
[09:55] <razvan_> yes
[09:55] <ducasse> razvan_: arc-theme is in the repos, you don't need a ppa
[09:55] <razvan_> thx for answares  :D
[10:11] <GandalfDerBlaue> Hi! Anyone here?
[10:12] <ikevin> GandalfDerBlaue, perhaps yes ;)
[10:25] <Olanzapin> Hello everyone. I got an issue running K3B. What i did was running the application using sudo first to be able to customize settings etc remove splash and user theme. Problem is that i'm not able to run K3B using normal procedure. Application crashes even if i remove it using sudo apt-get purge k3b and after that sudo apt-get autoremove. Plz help me with this one i have also submitted to ubuntu dev the crash log but i hope this
[10:25] <Olanzapin> will solve the problem faster :-D
[10:26] <ducasse> Olanzapin: if you ran it with sudo it likely saved something in your homedir with root ownership that is making problems now.
[10:29] <Olanzapin> And yes i don't want to use brasero because i'm into audio and realy hates that it don't show size on cd etc
[10:30] <Olanzapin> using 16.04 netinst yesterday
[10:32] <alkisg> Olanzapin: what's the output of this command? find ~ ! -uid $(id -u)
[10:34] <Olanzapin> ~$ find ~ ! -uid $(id -u)
[10:34] <Olanzapin> find: ‘/home/jonas/.cache/dconf’: Permission denied
[10:35] <alkisg> Olanzapin: that's the problem, that you don't have access there because you didn't use sudo
[10:35] <Olanzapin> find: ‘/home/jonas/.gvfs’: Permission denied
[10:35] <Olanzapin> find: ‘/home/jonas/.kde’: Permission denied
[10:35] <Olanzapin> find: ‘/home/jonas/.dbus’: Permission denied
[10:35] <alkisg> Eeesh
[10:35] <alkisg> All of those were created as root?!
[10:35] <alkisg> Don't use sudo again :D
[10:35] <Olanzapin> find: ‘/home/jonas/.cache/dconf’: Permission denied
[10:36] <Olanzapin> find: ‘/home/jonas/.gvfs’: Permission denied
[10:36] <Olanzapin> find: ‘/home/jonas/.kde’: Permission denied
[10:36] <Olanzapin> find: ‘/home/jonas/.dbus’: Permission denied
[10:36] <alkisg> ok ok stop now
[10:36] <Olanzapin> hmm
[10:36] <Olanzapin> installed from ubuntu software
[10:36] <alkisg> The problem is that you run k3b with sudo
[10:36] <AtuM> Olanzapin: probably something wrong with the profile's permissions or the profile itself. Try to change ownership of those folders to the user it belongs to.
[10:36] <Olanzapin> I open it using sudo first in terminal because of to ability to edit settings
[10:36] <alkisg> Why, as the user you can't edit the settings?
[10:37] <ducasse> Olanzapin: you shouldn't need to be root to do that
[10:37] <alkisg> You're not supposed to run graphicala programs as root
[10:37] <Olanzapin> i have removed the program using all things possible it still crashes after reinstakllation
[10:37] <alkisg> *graphical
[10:37] <alkisg> Yes because you messed up your home dir
[10:37] <AtuM> Olanzapin: user's settings are not "root"/"system's default" settings
[10:37] <Olanzapin> okie
[10:37] <alkisg> Delete the user, not the program :)
[10:37] <Olanzapin> haha
[10:37] <alkisg> Seriously
[10:37] <ducasse> Olanzapin: 'sudo chown -R $USER $HOME'
[10:37] <alkisg> Create another user and delete that one because god knows how many things in your home now point to /root
[10:38] <alkisg> And they might keep crashing even if you chown it
[10:38] <Olanzapin> hmm why chown it changes my credentials
[10:38] <Olanzapin> well here we go
[10:38] <AtuM> alkisg: if it crashes, he may delete some profile settings.. he does not need to delete his whole profile
[10:38] <ducasse> Olanzapin: it changes ownership of everything in your homedir back to you
[10:39] <alkisg> AtuM: sure, which ones? :)
[10:39] <alkisg> AtuM: .kde, dbus, .cache/dconf => that's pretty much all the settings :D
[10:39] <AtuM> alkisg: everything that begins with a "." ;)
[10:39] <alkisg> He just installed yesterday
[10:39] <alkisg> Yup, that would work
[10:39] <AtuM> alkisg: well.. deleting Documents would not benefit him much :)
[10:39] <Olanzapin> olllalla thanks
[10:40] <Olanzapin> without splash and my own theme
[10:40] <AtuM> Olanzapin: the magic of linux ;)
[10:40] <Olanzapin> Thank you! I mean it
[10:40] <ducasse> Olanzapin: np
[10:41] <AtuM> Olanzapin: don't run non-system apps as root
[10:42] <Olanzapin> I know
[10:42] <Olanzapin> BUT
[10:42] <AtuM> by non-system I mean non-system-administrative (hardware related and such)
[10:42] <ducasse> Olanzapin: and use gksudo for graphical apps if you *have* to run them as root
[10:42] <alkisg> Isn't there a kdesudo?
[10:42] <alkisg> I think he's using kde
[10:42] <Olanzapin> same using Transmission. if u dont use sudo transmission u are not able to edit settings
[10:43] <Olanzapin> blocklist etc
[10:43] <alkisg> Olanzapin: chown the /etc/transmission folder to your user if you have to
[10:43] <Olanzapin> but that one worked out fine
[10:43] <AtuM> If k3b does not work as a normal user, something is wrong with access to the burner.. perhaps user is missing a group membership..
[10:43] <alkisg> Or wherever else it stores its settings
[10:44] <Olanzapin> got it working now and i'm realy happy about the help i got from here
[10:44] <AtuM> Olanzapin: that will be 5$ ;-)
[10:44] <Olanzapin> haha
[10:44] <alkisg> For each one :P
[10:44] <Olanzapin> ohh shit :-D
[10:45] <ouroumov> Time to fake a network driver issue :D
[10:46] <AtuM> ouroumov: that's easy .. test all the features of the NetworkManager :)
[10:46] <AtuM> as in "what does this button do?"
[10:46] <Olanzapin> only know disconnect and reconnect ;-)
[10:46] <unigepp> Hi all, i'm having problems to set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS (as a user).
[10:46] <Olanzapin> omg
[10:47] <alkisg> unigepp: more specifically?
[10:48] <Sneak_> hello
[10:48] <Sneak_> cant get squid proxy to work
[10:49] <AtuM> Sneak_: what are you trying to do with squid.. the basic config is really simple
[10:49] <Sneak_> the basic
[10:50] <AtuM> Sneak_: have you set the proxy within the browser?
[10:50] <Sneak_> yep
[10:50] <AtuM> Sneak_: have you checked the firewall?
[10:50] <Sneak_> yeh i turned it off
[10:50] <unigepp> I've seen that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00upstart overwrite XDG_CONFIG_DIRS. How can a user set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS ?
[10:51] <Sneak_> is the ip address the machines one
[10:51] <AtuM> Sneak_: have you configured squid.conf? I thin a line or two has to be altered to get it going
[10:51] <Sneak_> yeh i downloaded a simple setup
[10:52] <AtuM> Sneak_: if you have squid running on some other machine, you set ip of that machine in the proxy setting of the browser.. if you run proxy locally, you can just use localhost
[10:53] <AtuM> Sneak_: port 3128 is the default
[10:53] <Sneak_> yeh i have have squid on another machine and i use its ip address in the win10 machine
[10:53] <alkisg> unigepp: check 60x11-common_xdg_path
[10:53] <ducasse> unigepp: that is for systemwide config, a user shouldn't mess with it
[10:53] <AtuM> Sneak_: you can check by runnung "netstat -ntaupe | grep 3128" and see if the port is opened
[10:54] <Sneak_> just wait
[10:55] <unigepp> I mean if i set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS in my .profile, it is overwritten by 00upstart !
[10:55] <alkisg> unigepp: what is the value of your XDG_CONFIG_DIRS currently? And which ubuntu flavor/version? And why do you want to change it?
[10:55] <ducasse> unigepp: what are you trying to achieve here?
[10:56] <alkisg> 00upstart is overwriten by 60x11-common_xdg_path for me in 16.04
[10:56] <Sneak_> https://www.unixmen.com/install-configure-squid-proxy-ubuntu-debian/
[10:56] <Sneak_> check that atum
[10:57] <unigepp> I'm exporting .desktop file through NFS, mounted for example to /mymountpoint. I gnome ubuntu to load that config.
[10:58] <unigepp> Here is XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntu:/usr/share/upstart/xdg:/etc/xdg
[10:58] <unigepp> Here is XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu:/usr/share/gnome:/usr/share/ubuntu/:/usr/share/gnome/:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:/unige/util/freedesktop/share/:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
[10:59] <alkisg> unigepp: and you want to do that for only one user, or for all users?
[11:00] <unigepp> I'm able to set XDG_DATA_DIRS (see /unige//util/freedesktop/share), but not XDG_CONFIG_DIRS.
[11:00] <AtuM> Sneak_: check syntax of "http_access" -  I'm not sure "http_access allow" does anything.. perhaps "http_access allow all" - but I can't find that anywhere either
[11:00] <unigepp> For all users.
[11:00] <alkisg> unigepp: why don't you symlink your /etc/xdg/ubuntu dir, which doesn't exist, to your nfs share?
[11:01] <alkisg>  /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntu, sorry
[11:01] <AtuM> Sneak_: http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/config/http_access/
[11:02] <Sneak_> cools
[11:02] <Sneak_> cools/
[11:02] <victorbjelkholm> hey folks, I'm running yakkety and trying to get my NTFS to be read/write instead of just read-only as it is right now. I have ntfs-3g installed, but still I cannot write files to it. These are my mount options: "nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show" but still not working. What am I missing here?
[11:02] <Sneak_> copy and paste
[11:04] <unigepp> Well /etc/xdg/ubuntu... I believe this directory could be used by a package or ubuntu.
[11:04] <guest> victorbjelkholm: maybe the permissions on the mount point itsself
[11:04] <guest> victorbjelkholm: fwiw the wiki says these options work: UUID=519CB82E5888AD0F  /media/Data  ntfs-3g  defaults,windows_names,locale=en_US.utf8  0 0
[11:05] <victorbjelkholm> guest: hm, I'm using the disk UI for checking. The permissions on the mount point seems ok. I can see the partion type is "HPFS/NTFS" though and Filesystem Type is set to "auto"
[11:08] <Torgeir> test
[11:08] <ducasse> Torgeir: use ##test for that
[11:09] <knikhurpa> Hi guys!
[11:10] <knikhurpa> Which irc client are you guys using?
[11:11] <guest> Weechat
[11:13] <alkisg> knikhurpa: pidgin here
[11:17] <knikhurpa> Can I ask an irc related noob question here?
[11:18] <ducasse> knikhurpa: better to do so in #freenode
[11:18] <knikhurpa> Okay! :)
[11:18] <knikhurpa> join #freenode
[11:20] <acosonic> http://askubuntu.com/questions/890476/how-to-search-skype-for-linux-alpha-chat-history
[11:30] <HashNuke`> Hello everyone ~!
[11:36] <grauzikas2> hello,
[11:37] <grauzikas2> http://pastebin.com/V3uJjSfV
[11:37] <grauzikas2> why this happens
[11:38] <grauzikas2> os ubuntu 16.04
[11:39] <cfhowlett> you can
[11:39] <cfhowlett> can not wget a website.  put the file address in there
[11:40] <jink> You can wget a website just fine.  This should wget the index.html from that site.
[11:42] <snowkrash> hi can someone help me with sshd
[11:42] <itsgokul> wat
[11:42] <itsgokul> ssh ?
[11:42] <snowkrash> what does AuthenticationMethods "publickey,password" "publickey,keyboard-interactive"
[11:42] <snowkrash> mean
[11:43] <snowkrash> keyboard interactive
[11:43] <itsgokul> ssh username@ipaddress
[11:43] <snowkrash> yes but what exactly do the options mean
[11:43] <snowkrash> from the sshd config
[11:44] <snowkrash> i dont get the keyboard interactive part
[11:44] <itsgokul> see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1556056/permission-denied-publickey-keyboard-interactive
[11:45] <jink> man sshd_config
[11:45] <ppf> itsgokul, jink: neither explains what keyboard-interactive means
[11:45] <snowkrash> i read it but i dont understand it
[11:46] <snowkrash> i understand the public key part
[11:46] <ppf> snowkrash: with the password authentication method, the client will send a single password. how to ask the user for that password is up to  the client
[11:46] <snowkrash> i want that the user has to have public key + password
[11:47] <snowkrash> ppf, what does that mean :D
[11:47] <ppf> with keyboard-interactive, the server is in control of this, and it may ask the client to request an arbitrary number of passwordy things from the user
[11:47] <snowkrash> ah ok so its used for multiple passwords
[11:48] <grauzikas2> it doesnt wgets also doesnt curl from that page
[11:48] <grauzikas2> http://pastebin.com/fG8VhJ3j
[11:48] <snowkrash> but why is not AuthenticationMethods "publickey,password" "password,keyboard-interactive"
[11:48] <grauzikas2> may be some one can check may be from your side the problem is same?
[11:48] <snowkrash> ppf, so keyboard interactive means just the second one is the password?
[11:49] <ppf> no
[11:49] <snowkrash> ppf, i think i understand it but can you maybe explain the actual line
[11:50] <snowkrash> what means "publickey,password" "publickey,keyboard-interactive"
[11:50] <snowkrash> in that order
[11:50] <snowkrash> why is public key twice?
[11:50] <ppf> that line lists the authentication methods your server allows. it'll try them one by one until one is successful or all of them fail
[11:51] <ppf> the , chains methods together
[11:51] <snowkrash> ok and why publickey, keyboard-interactive?
[11:51] <snowkrash> why not password,keyboard-interactive?
[11:51] <ppf> so "publickey,password" means the user has to complete first publickey, then password authentication
[11:51] <snowkrash> ok
[11:51] <snowkrash> and the second?
[11:52] <ppf> so space means logical OR, comma means logical and
[11:52] <ppf> the second means first complete password, then keyboard-interactive
[11:53] <snowkrash> i dont understand the second public-key,keyboard-interactive
[11:53] <ppf> in your first example it was password, not public key, but alright
[11:53] <ppf> that one measn first complete publickey, then keyboard interactive authentication
[11:53] <snowkrash> no the line looks like that ppf
[11:53] <ejay> Hi, hello. How can I remove snap?
[11:53] <snowkrash> AuthenticationMethods "publickey,password" "publickey,keyboard-interactive"
[11:53] <snowkrash> there are both
[11:53] <snowkrash> in one line
[11:53] <snowkrash> is that wrong?
[11:54] <ppf> no
[11:54] <snowkrash> so its an OR?
[11:54] <ejay> Is snap package called snapd?
[11:54] <snowkrash> ppf public key & password OR publickey & keyboard interactive
[11:54] <jink> AuthenticationMethods  ((publickey then password) OR (publickey then keyboard-interactive))
[11:55] <snowkrash> ok
[11:55] <ppf> yes
[11:55] <snowkrash> i understand that
[11:55] <snowkrash> but
[11:55] <snowkrash> still n ot understand what keyboard-interactive does
[11:55] <ppf> but it'll ask for the public key only once
[11:55] <snowkrash> whats the difference between password and keyboard-interactive?
[11:56] <jink> password is from /etc/password, keyboard-interactive is anything that takes keyboard input (like pam, ldap, ...)
[11:56] <snowkrash> ah thanks
[11:56] <snowkrash> now i understand
[11:56] <snowkrash> so by default keyboard interactive is also the password
[11:56] <snowkrash> but it can be configured to something else too
[11:56] <jink> Yes.
[11:56] <snowkrash> how to configure it?
[11:57] <snowkrash> thanks guys
[11:57] <ppf> it's not "the password"
[11:57] <snowkrash> now i understand it better
[11:57] <ppf> it uses bsdauth, pam or skey
[11:57] <snowkrash> but those are not configured on this server there is only a key and password
[11:57] <ppf> so most of the time it'll be pam
[11:57] <snowkrash> should i get rid of it?
[11:58] <ppf> and pam will usually be happy with you entering your password
[11:58] <snowkrash> ok i see soe its pam
[11:58] <snowkrash> just asking for a password
[11:59] <snowkrash> is this a security risk? to use keyboard interactive?
[11:59] <ppf> no
[11:59] <snowkrash> so if i install ldap for example i can make it work with keyboard interactive too
[11:59] <snowkrash> or i could setup pam
[11:59] <snowkrash> and it will work too
[11:59] <snowkrash> ok now i understand
[11:59] <snowkrash> thanks ppf and jink
[12:00] <snowkrash> but for my reasons i could also just use privatekey, password
[12:00] <snowkrash> and it would work as well right?
[12:00] <snowkrash> without the second part
[12:01] <snowkrash> ppf, is that right or not?
[12:03] <ppf> you need to go through pam to access ldap, but yes
[12:04] <snowkrash> ok now i understand it better i guess
[12:05] <snowkrash> but still i dont understand that line AuthenticationMethods "publickey,password" "publickey,keyboard-interactive"
[12:05] <snowkrash> because the first part is not necessarry
[12:05] <snowkrash> why is it
[12:05] <ppf> because password != keyboard-interactive
[12:05] <snowkrash> but in most cases it results in the same
[12:05] <snowkrash> i understand its not the same
[12:06] <snowkrash> the difference is ki sends the prompt
[12:06] <snowkrash> from the host
[12:06] <snowkrash> can i leave out the first part?
[12:06] <ppf> in your case they appear to be, because of how you've configured keyboard-interactive authentication
[12:06] <ppf> yes, of course
[12:06] <jink> keyboard-interactive could read /etc/password, so in that case you can get rid of password.  Is that what you mean?
[12:06] <snowkrash> yes
[12:06] <snowkrash> ok now i understand it better
[12:06] <snowkrash> thanks!
[12:08] <KoreanLnk> Hi all! I I'm using Ubuntu 16.04  and I need to create a run once (on first boot after install) script
[12:08] <ztane> is there a specific day on which 1204 support is dropped? first of april?
[12:09] <KoreanLnk> I do have the script, but I don't know what I need to modify to make it run at first boot.
[12:09] <snowkrash> do you recommend tripwire btw?
[12:10] <ppf> ztane: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[12:11] <ztane> ppf: yes, I know, it says "april 2017"
[12:13] <ztane> ppf: 10.04 was eoled on 30th day of april 2015 which is in all practical ways quite different from 1st of april 2015.
[12:13] <snowkrash> ppf, is it a a good idea to use tripwire for additional security on modified files?
[12:16] <ThisIsNotCle> What are some cool things i can do with ubuntu that i cant do with windows?
[12:16] <ppf> ThisIsNotCle: install updates without rebooting
[12:16] <ducasse> ThisIsNotCle: ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[12:16] <ikonia> ThisIsNotCle: have a look through https://help.ubuntu.com and see how others use ubuntu on a day to day basis
[12:20] <ThisIsNotCle> hmm what doyou use it for?
[12:20] <ikonia> ThisIsNotCle: bit off topic for this channel, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:21] <ppf> i'm using it for computering
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:25] <anonymous_> HWy
[12:25] <anonymous_> *Hey
[12:39] <flying_sausages> hello people, which board on the forum is appropriate for asking questions about shrinking RAID1 partitions?
[12:42] <ikonia> flying_sausages: not really what this channel is for
[12:42] <ikonia> message the forum admins if in doubt
[12:42] <flying_sausages> alright, well, can anyone here help me with shrinking Raid1 partitions?
[12:43] <ikonia> is there a file system on it ?
[12:44] <finexbeer> is the pentiun p6100 good for programming
[12:45] <finexbeer> ??
[12:45] <ikonia> thats a cpu
[12:45] <ikonia> it has nothing to do with programming
[12:45] <ikonia> try ##hardware channel if you have hardware questions
[12:45] <finexbeer> very??
[12:45] <finexbeer> is the ram ryte
[12:45] <ikonia> finexbeer: you've not said anything about ram
[12:46] <thyriaen> lol
[12:46] <flying_sausages> ikonia yeah I have 4 partitions on the raid1, there's /boot, /, /home and a swap
[12:47] <flying_sausages> it's a dedicated server but I have access to a rescue system running some generic linux :)
[12:47] <ikonia> flying_sausages: easiest way, break the mirror, repartition the broken mirror disk, copy the data across, boot from the re-partioned disk, repartition the first disk and then re-add to the mirror
[12:48] <flying_sausages> ah yeah that sounds good, can you point me how to break the raid1 mirror?
[12:48] <ikonia> man mdadm
[12:48] <ikonia> (or read the mdadm help page)
[12:48] <ikonia> if you have specific questions, just ask
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> finexbeer: on older hardware you can use lubuntu or xubuntu and do some programming jobs if you want
[12:50] <flying_sausages> how can I break the mirror with mdadm? do I have to --manage and --stop? --manage and --remove?
[12:51] <flying_sausages> and why can this not just be done with mdadm --grow?
[12:51] <finexbeer> is ubuntu mate fine??
[12:52] <AtuM> flying_sausages: is this a retorical question :)
[12:52] <ducasse> flying_sausages: http://serverfault.com/questions/320310/how-to-resize-raid1-array-with-mdadm
[12:52] <snowkrash> ThisIsNotCle, ubuntu works compared to windows
[12:52] <flying_sausages> ducasse literally the link I was looking at rn thanks ;)
[12:52] <snowkrash> windows10 is really crapware
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> finexbeer: ubuntu mate runs lightweight also, best way is to try installing
[12:53] <flying_sausages> AtuM uhhh nope, no idea how to shrink the Raid1 partition
[12:53] <AtuM> flying_sausages: resize and break are two different tasks.. which one do you want :)
[12:53] <finexbeer> im olvredy usenig
[12:53] <k1l_> finexbeer: its very fine
[12:53] <AtuM> flying_sausages: oh.. you can't shrink it
[12:54] <flying_sausages> AtuM basically I need to shrink md2 somehow
[12:54] <flying_sausages> that is one solution to my problem
[12:54] <ikonia> just mark the disk as failed
[12:55] <ikonia> then remove it
[12:55] <ikonia> you don't stop the array, as thats what you're running from
[12:55] <finexbeer> ok thanks
[12:55] <flying_sausages> the other solution would be to get rid of the raid1 over the two drives, use one of them with the way the data is there currently, and format the other one
[12:56] <ducasse> flying_sausages: you've got a recent backup before you start this, right?
[12:57] <flying_sausages> the system is a day old, there's not much to lose, all the data is backed up elsewhere
[12:57] <AtuM> flying_sausages: make backup, nuke the current md2, make a smaller md2 .. restore..
[12:57] <flying_sausages> ducasse does the process require wiping or is this a precaution?
[12:58] <ducasse> flying_sausages: imho it would be fairly silly to start this without one, especially if it's not a process you are comfortable with
[12:59] <flying_sausages> I do have a backup of whatever matters ducasse :)
[12:59] <ducasse> flying_sausages: just checking ;)
[12:59] <AtuM> flying_sausages: read the man pages for mdadm.. when you manage to shrink md2, you will have mastered it completely
[12:59] <flying_sausages> then again I could just nuke the thing and not bother with this hahahahahaha
[12:59] <flying_sausages> start from scratch
[13:00] <AtuM> flying_sausages: start from scratch is faster :) .. if you want knowledge, make it happen without loosing data.. it's quite a challenge
[13:01] <ikonia> it's not a challange
[13:02] <ikonia> it's just what I said, split the mirror, repartition, boot from new layout, repairtion, add disk to mirror
[13:02] <AtuM> ikonia: for a newbie it is..
[13:03] <AtuM> ikonia: you must shrink partition/pv before repartitioning.. depends what runs on top of md2
[13:03] <flying_sausages> md2 is my "/"
[13:03] <ikonia> AtuM: no you don't
[13:03] <ikonia> AtuM: as he's repartitioning
[13:03] <ikonia> flying_sausages: so ?
[13:04] <AtuM> ikonia: he's trying to shrink, not grow the md2
[13:04] <ikonia> yes, I heard that
[13:04] <ikonia> and ?
[13:06] <flying_sausages> ok, say I simply want to break the raid1 mirror, how would I go about that specifically, what will I be left after, and how would I be able to boot from one of the disks? (Given I would be running rescue)
[13:06] <flying_sausages> my entire system is on this Raid 1 that is
[13:06] <ikonia> flying_sausages: breaking the mirror just means there will be two identical disks
[13:07] <ikonia> so you will be left with two identical disks that no longer automatically update each other
[13:07] <flying_sausages> ok, will they be mountable as is? like ext2/3/4?
[13:08] <flying_sausages> this is the fdisk -l output http://pastebin.com/raw/rZwB6HzB
[13:09] <ikonia> flying_sausages: they are just partitions, I'm not sure what you're asking here ?
[13:10] <flying_sausages> ikonia I can't figure out if they're ext or exfat or ntfs or whatever
[13:10] <ikonia> flying_sausages: they are whatever file system you put on them
[13:10] <flying_sausages> hm :D
[13:10] <ikonia> what are they currently mounted as
[13:10] <flying_sausages> if only I knew
[13:11] <ikonia> type "mount" and have a look
[13:11] <ikonia> or look in the fstab
[13:12] <flying_sausages>  ¨/dev/md1 on /boot type ext3 (rw,relatime,stripe=4,data=ordered)
[13:12] <flying_sausages> ¨/dev/md2 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
[13:12] <flying_sausages> ¨/dev/md3 on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
[13:13] <flying_sausages> and md0 is swap
[13:13] <flying_sausages> I see now
[13:14] <flying_sausages> ikonia so you're saying that breaking the mirror will leave me with two identical hard disks, with the ext file systems like they are right now?
[13:14] <flying_sausages> How will I be able to then boot into one of them? I'm assuming the mounts etc will change
[13:17] <AtuM> flying_sausages: from the time you remove a drive from a mirror, your "surviving" disk will live on saving changes.. so it will not be an exact copy any more.. but in essence, you will have two partitons with almost exact data. in order to keep using the remaining disk, you should not break raid drive md2.. let it live with one disk. If you want to eliminate md2, you will have to change /etc/fstab, grub2, initrd..
[13:18] <flying_sausages> AtuM so from the pair, I can remove one of the drives, and then be able to mount it? while the one that "stayed" will boot and function as it did before?
[13:18] <flying_sausages> never ran raid before whatsoever so the more you dumb this down the better :p
[13:19] <flying_sausages> thought the raid would instantly fuck shit up if I just remove one of the drives. like, raid just shouldn't be able to work if you have one drive, no?
[13:19] <AtuM> flying_sausages: true.. in order to mount the removed drive, you will just mount it's partition
[13:20] <flying_sausages> ok AtuM let's give this a try
[13:20] <AtuM> if raid1 does not work with just one disk, what's the point in using it then?
[13:20] <flying_sausages> hm
[13:20] <flying_sausages> fair point :D
[13:20] <flying_sausages> AtuM how do I remove one of the drives? just fail it?
[13:21] <AtuM> the whole meaning of raid1 is to survive disk failure .. the disk should in effect be promptly replaced to avoid losing the remaining drive though
[13:22] <AtuM> flying_sausages: if you just want to effect md2, you should remove one of the partitions defined for md2,.. not the whole disk, as this will break all of the raid1 volumes
[13:23] <CrazyPenguin> can anybody please tell me how to remove Gnome DE completely?
[13:23] <AtuM> though I don't think in your case there is a chance mdadm would except "whole disk" as a parameter anyway :)
[13:23] <CrazyPenguin> I had installed Gnome DE on Xubuntu
[13:23] <AtuM> CrazyPenguin: what's DE?
[13:24] <CrazyPenguin> Desktop Environment
[13:24] <AtuM> oh.. so now you have two DEs :)
[13:24] <ducasse> CrazyPenguin: are you still messing about with installing and removing desktops?
[13:24] <elias_a> Does anyone else have problems with Skype client login on Ubuntu? Worked like charm few hours ago and now I cannot login.
[13:25] <CrazyPenguin> No. I am contented with Xubuntu
[13:25] <AtuM> CrazyPenguin: start a movement to build [A-Z]buntu :)
[13:25] <CrazyPenguin> ducasse, I am facing another problem.
[13:26] <CrazyPenguin> I have Xubuntu 16.10 installed on my laptop. It stops responding completely sometimes.
[13:26] <CrazyPenguin> I just started it. At the login screen it freezed.
[13:27] <CrazyPenguin> I had to press the power button on my laptop to reset it.
[13:27] <grumbel> Trying to install 16.10, but grub fails to install in both UEFI and BIOS mode, can't find an option in the bios to disable "Secure Boot" either
[13:27] <CrazyPenguin> this has been annoying me a lot.
[13:27] <jnoob22> grumbel what kind of box do you have?
[13:27] <jnoob22> manufacturer
[13:27] <goodtimer> Hi
[13:28] <jnoob22> generally ive found if it has UEFI, there's got to be a secure boot or something like it somewhere.
[13:28] <Wirehunter> grumbel, I think Ubuntu has uefi secureboot keys, I think that should work with SecureBoot enabled.
[13:28] <grumbel> jnoob22: ASUS UEFI Bios, i7-2600k
[13:28] <AtuM> grumbel: today I've reinstalled my ubuntu box to kubuntu.. I specifically remember I hade a choice to set a password to disable secure-boot..
[13:28] <CrazyPenguin> Sometimes when I am doing some work like browsing or playing videos or some other thing, it freezes for no obvious reason.
[13:28] <kkunji> I'm kind of off topic here, but why on earth is there not an easy way to get "$@" behavior in bash while piping to it?  Am I overlooking something super obvious?  E.g. file A contains arg1 arg2 "arg 3", cat A | ./script and ./script arg1 arg2 "arg 3" behave differently, pain to get the quoted text to stay together through the pipe, I can't seem to keep it together unless I keep the entire string as a single unit, otherwise it splits on all spaces, when using r
[13:29] <CrazyPenguin> Nothing responds. keyboard, mouse, trackpad. nothing.
[13:29] <goodtimer> Too long don't read
[13:29] <grumbel> kkj: you need a file with \0 separation
[13:29] <grumbel> kkj: find -print0 | xargs -0 ... that kind of stuff
[13:29] <CrazyPenguin> Is this problem specific to 16.10/
[13:29] <CrazyPenguin> ?
[13:30] <CrazyPenguin> please help me.
[13:30] <jnoob22> grumbel, is there not an Advanced screen? My wife has an Asus ... though she only uses it for Windows 10.
[13:30] <grumbel> kkj: you can also separate by line ending with: while read a; do echo "$a"; done
[13:30] <CrazyPenguin> Because of this reason, I am having to use Mint now.
[13:31] <jnoob22> can someone tell me what use that UEFI serves anyways? Nothing but a nuisance.
[13:31] <jnoob22> sigh .. rhetorical question. don't answer.
[13:31] <grumbel> jnoob22: there is an Advanced Screen, but it doesn't have a Secure Boot option
[13:32] <grumbel> jnoob22: as for UEFI, it's actually pretty nice, as OSs can write there boot sector into a FAT filesystem instead of MBR, GPT is also nice
[13:32] <jnoob22> woopty freaking doo
[13:32] <jnoob22> not a knock at you man ;-)
[13:32] <jnoob22> for me, they've been nothing but a nuisance.
[13:32] <CrazyPenguin> one more question. Does installing multiple DEs on Ubuntu slow it down?
[13:32] <jnoob22> CrazyPenguin, no
[13:33] <jnoob22> CrazyPenguin, if you're using many *at once*, then yeah ;-)
[13:33] <CrazyPenguin> Does it take more time to boot up because of multiple DEs installed?
[13:33] <grumbel> jnoob22: transition periods are always messy, but I don't mind getting rid of old MSDOS way of doing things
[13:33] <AtuM> CrazyPenguin: no, but it sure can mess things up.. specialy if WM's collide and such
[13:33] <ducasse> CrazyPenguin: for $deitys sake, you must have asked this ten times now
[13:33] <jnoob22> CrazyPenguin, no it shouldn't.
[13:33] <kkunji> grumbel: but to use those from inside the script means calling it recursively (seems bad..?), using it from outside means the user is handling these different behaviors manually (definitely bad), there is just one line, so separating by line endings means taking it as a single block (unless again we're depending on users to change their expected behavior and put new lines in the file but not in the normal call).
[13:34] <CrazyPenguin> ok. Now, please guide me in removing Gnome DE completely.
[13:34] <jnoob22> CrazyPenguin, installing them can introduce a lot of cruft into some level 5 startup init stuff
[13:34] <jnoob22> CrazyPenguin, google?
[13:34] <AtuM> CrazyPenguin: reinstall :D
[13:34] <CrazyPenguin> Reinstall what?
[13:35] <jnoob22> CrazyPenguin, http://askubuntu.com/questions/767577/how-can-i-remove-gnome-desktop-environment-without-messing-unity-de-ubuntu-16
[13:35] <FinalX> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases notes Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS "precise" as EOL "April 2017", anyone know a specific date in april yet? I'm sticking with communicating april 1st with people now to sod off from it and upgrade.. but still nice to know if it's april 1st or 30th.. :)
[13:35] <CrazyPenguin> jnoob22, thanks a lot.
[13:35] <jnoob22> FinalX, getting off 12.04 has now become an urgency for you
[13:36] <FinalX> jnoob22: that was not my question, I know that :p
[13:36] <FinalX> (and it isn't really an urgency for me, I'll just turn off the old containers and the customers will have had half a year to switch)
[13:36] <jnoob22> CrazyPenguin, here's what I did to find it: google:// "ubuntu 16.04 how to uninstall gnome"
[13:37] <jnoob22> FinalX, not all observations are answers to your questions ;-)
[13:37] <FinalX> customer support team is wondering how much time they can still squeeze out of it to give customers who were really lazy more time when they finally figured out we were serious about them having to upgrade
[13:37] <jnoob22> FinalX, tell them 0
[13:37] <FinalX> i did :p
[13:37] <FinalX> but you know how things go :)
[13:37] <CrazyPenguin> thanks a lot
[13:37] <jnoob22> FinalX, heh I work in support so I get to give the straight dope. Usually ;-)
[13:38] <FinalX> It's mostly of shared hosting customers still sticking to PHP 5.3, I have made jessie w/ 5.6, and xenial with 7.0 and sury's 7.1 available to them, but .. yeah.. customers.. not eager to get their hands dirty
[13:38] <flying_sausages> AtuM do you by any chance know how to read SMART HDD reports?
[13:38] <FinalX> (and most only start complaining / doing something the moment stuff breaks)
[13:39] <jnoob22> FinalX, this can present an opportunity .. for a nice extra fee, I can upgrade your section ... Ubuntu *and* PHP ;-)
[13:39] <flying_sausages> I'm looking into the drives I got, and trying to decipher how old they are
[13:39] <FinalX> heh :)
[13:39] <jnoob22> FinalX, don't tell them there will be downtime until you need to do it, then act like well you should have known that was going to happen ;-)
[13:39] <FinalX> most support calls seem to be "YOU ARE FORCING THIS UPGRADE ON ME, *YOU* FIX IT" .. "Sir, that's not how things work."
[13:40] <jnoob22> hosting service and support sucks. not enough money like enterprise software brings ... with a few more $$'s I can be a little nicer and more patient ;-)
[13:40] <FinalX> yeah, that's what we're currently doing, but considering my experience, I want to give them an opportunity to cover their "oh shit" moment with a "ok you have two weeks left, go"
[13:40] <elias_a> Never mind the skype question. Seems like skype is down big time: http://downdetector.com/status/skype
[13:40] <jnoob22> heh heh
[13:41] <FinalX> oh, we make millions without doing a lot :p
[13:41] <FinalX> (and it's not our core business)
[13:41] <jnoob22> that's a good thing
[13:41] <AtuM> flying_sausages: I read them from my monitor ;)
[13:41] <jnoob22> elias_a, my skypeforlinux seems to be working fine
[13:41] <flying_sausages> AtuM :p can you tell me if you can tell what this means?
[13:42] <flying_sausages> 9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   063   063   000    Old_age   Always       -       33123
[13:42] <jnoob22> elias_a, maybe you're just in a blackhole atm.
[13:42] <flying_sausages> ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
[13:42] <elias_a> jnoob22: http://downdetector.com/status/skype
[13:42] <AtuM> flying_sausages: could you pastebin the whole output?
[13:42] <flying_sausages> yup, will do :)
[13:42] <flying_sausages> cheers mate
[13:42] <elias_a> jnoob22: Looks like it works as long you are logged in but logging in is not possible at the moment.
[13:43] <jnoob22> ah gotcha
[13:43] <FinalX> jnoob22: I revamped our webhosting environment with nginx frontend proxies to our Apache backends (inheritance since the 90's), which are not LXC containers with different versions of Debian and Ubuntu, each with their natively supported PHP/Apache/Python/Perl/etc. Customer can just pick the one they want from a control panel and the nginx will direct it to that container .. it's nice and easy for them and
[13:43] <FinalX> keeping both kinds of customers happy.
[13:43] <AtuM> Power_on_hours just means how long is the hdd spinning.. from the shop.. not from the boot or anything like that.. like an odometer
[13:43] <elias_a> jnoob22: I'll test this with an Android client.
[13:43] <jnoob22> sounds like a dns problem most likely. if it was truly authentication, I would get thrown out.
[13:43] <FinalX> jnoob22: Customers are usually divided into two groups. The ones that want the latest and greatest, and those that don't want to upgrade because it involves having to rework their site
[13:44] <jnoob22> FinalX, bah... humans.
[13:44] <flying_sausages> AtuM http://pastebin.com/raw/SYVz2c27
[13:44] <FinalX> I know, right? :P
[13:44] <jnoob22> FinalX, I can't stand either of those two groups :-D
[13:44] <flying_sausages> these are the two raid badboys
[13:44] <grumbel> kkunji: Having 'a b "c d"' in a file is simply not the way you do things in shell, shell is all newline separated or \0 separated
[13:45] <grumbel> kkunji: (some evil hackery with eval might be possible)
[13:45] <jnoob22> FinalX, our equivalent at Alfresco are those who want support for stuff that won't be released officially for the next year and then the ones who stay on 2 major versions below supported versions.
[13:45] <FinalX> heh, that was the tendency here, too
[13:45] <jnoob22> FinalX, luckily most are in the middle.
[13:46] <AtuM> flying_sausages: the disk had been spinning for 526 days.. this is excluding the time it has been shut-off
[13:46] <jnoob22> FinalX, 2/3 of all cases we get are on stuff/features/customizations that are *not* supported. Joy. Fun.
[13:47] <jnoob22> should never have gotten into support. it is truly a career killer.
[13:47] <FinalX> we give ours full access to their own php.ini and all options in .htaccess, good luck to em :P and if they want extra software we usually install it. everything's centrally managed through puppet anyway
[13:47] <jnoob22> that's not bad. at least you don't let them edit nginx or httpd conf files ;-) hopefully :-o
[13:47] <kkunji> grumbel: It should be, but for some reason getting the args through $@ happily accepts 'a b' "c d" as arguments without pulling them apart, I'm looking for consistent behavior via piped and typed arguments.
[13:48] <elias_a> jnoob22: Android Skype client logs in without problems. :O
[13:48] <grumbel> kkunji: it's the users shell pulling them apart, not the script
[13:49] <grumbel> kkunji: the program just sees argv=["a", "b", "c d"], it never sees the quotes
[13:49] <kkunji> grumbel: agreed, but I need to either put them back together or butcher the other input (which seems silly).
[13:49] <jnoob22> elias_a, hmm I will test my iphone... i kind of need skype on the iphone since I work from home and am not always near my laptop.
[13:49] <elias_a> jnoob22: Seems they fixed it already.
[13:50] <jnoob22> elias_a, yeah seems it works np.
[13:50] <flying_s_> AtuM sorry not ZNCd here
[13:50] <jnoob22> well, time for coffee.
[13:50] <kkunji> grumbel: It's fine, just some parsing, but it's just surprising to me there wasn't something already in place for it.
[13:50] <grumbel> kkunji: if you have a script in Python you can use 'shlex' to parse strings like the shell
[13:51] <dannyLopez> Hi. o/
[13:51] <CrazyPenguin> what could be the possible reason for random freezing of Xubuntu 16.10?
[13:52] <CrazyPenguin> It is my primary OS.
[13:52] <kkunji> grumbel: I'm trying to keep down my dependencies, BASH wrapping some C++, if I'm lucky I'll be able to write it as portably as possible.
[13:52] <ducasse> CrazyPenguin: gpu driver, very likely
[13:53] <CrazyPenguin> don't have any idea what it is. Could you please tell me how to rectify that?
[13:53] <grumbel> kkunji: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26067249/bash-reading-quoted-escaped-arguments-correctly-from-a-string
[13:54] <marketa> hello all, out o nowhere, i cannot get graphical acceleration on my laptop with OSS radeon driver
[13:54] <ducasse> CrazyPenguin: what graphics hardware have you got?
[13:54] <marketa> in Xorg.0.log, there's this: open /dev/dri/card0: no such file or directory
[13:54] <dannyLopez> In crontab the spaces are important? I mean /home/personal/New\ Folder or "/home/personal/New\ Folder"?
[13:55] <CrazyPenguin> ducasse, how to find that out?
[13:56] <ducasse> dannyLopez: spaces are important, yes
[13:56] <ducasse> CrazyPenguin: 'lspci | grep VGA'
[13:57] <marketa> what's the difference between xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu, xserver-xorg-video-radeon, xserver-xorg-video-ati and all those three with "-hwe" at the end?
[13:57] <dannyLopez> ducasse: The correct are "/home/personal/New\ Folder"?
[13:57] <CrazyPenguin> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)
[13:58] <dannyLopez> Or /home/personal/New\ Folder ?
[13:58] <ducasse> dannyLopez: either use quotes or escape with \ - not both
[13:59] <CrazyPenguin> ducass, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)
[13:59] <CrazyPenguin> ducasse, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)
[14:00] <dannyLopez> I dont understan. :(
[14:00] <ducasse> dannyLopez: if you use quotes, don't use the \
[14:00] <similian> cheers fellow ubuntians
[14:01] <rocky> hello folks!
[14:01] <similian> does anyone know a light weight ids ( intrusion detection system )
[14:01] <rocky> my pc is frizzing suddenly. is there any diagnose tool available for ubuntu?
[14:01] <similian> snort seems to be huge and rkhunter maybe too light ?
[14:01] <similian> is there a best of both?
[14:02] <Kingsy> is it not possible to use a ubuntu minimal iso on a UEFI motherboard?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> similian: snort, rkhunter,clamav,lynis are interesting
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> !security | similian
[14:04] <wendico> hello how do i add the following repositorie: "Source is currently hosted at: https://github.com/Benjamin-Dobell/Heimdall". I dont know how to compile source, does adding that repo will make the app installable with the apt-get install command? Thank you.
[14:05] <Wirehunter> wendico, That's a Github repository, not an apt source.
[14:05] <ducasse> CrazyPenguin: others seem to be having problems as well, can't find a definitive solution.
[14:05] <Kingsy> its quite frustrating.
[14:06] <Wirehunter> CrazyPenguin, lspci | grep 3D
[14:07] <Kingsy> like, if I have a USB storage made by a mini.iso can I just copy a EFI folder from any other amd64 iso that supports EUFI ?
[14:08] <Wirehunter> wendico, https://bitbucket.org/benjamin_dobell/heimdall/downloads/?tab=downloads
[14:08] <Wirehunter> There you can find DEB packages to install in ubuntu.
[14:09] <wendico> Wirehunter. Thank you, i was there but i dont know what should i donwload, im on ubuntu 14.04 up-to date. can you help me chosses what of that list i have to download? thank you very much
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[14:10] <ikevin> wendico, heimdall is availlable on ubuntu repo
[14:11] <CrazyPenguin> ducasse, didn't get any result with that
[14:11] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[14:11] <kkunji> grumbel: I don't think those help, they make ./script arg1 arg2 handle quotes more powerfully in arg1 and arg2, but they don't do anything for echo "arg1 arg2...." | ./script  , where no matter what you basically have a single string sitting on /dev/stdin  There are various ways to grab it, read, cat, cat $@, but none of them parse it as it would be in the former case.  I'm not fully understanding what is going on with xargs there though, read will take from /
[14:11] <Wirehunter> !package heimdall
[14:11] <Pici> !info heimdall-flash
[14:11] <ikevin> !info heimdall-flash-frontend
[14:12] <Wirehunter> wendico, so you can just do 'sudo apt install heimdall-flash-frontend
[14:12] <wendico> LOL, thank you, i dont know why i havent try first thing sudo apt-get install heimdall. Thank you, got it
[14:13] <Pici> wendico: the package name is not heimdall, its heimdall-flash and heimdall-flash-frontend
[14:13] <wendico> Thank you very much everyone for the help. im in love with this channel... i wish android channel would be half as good as this one
[14:13] <wendico> Pici, yes thank u, it tells u so i retyped the right option, got it installed, thank you.
[14:17] <TheAmorphous> Should the ssh key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the host server be the same as the key in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub on the client machine?
[14:18] <mantise> if i have two HDD, one of them is windows with boot and windows loader. can i just remove the windows partitions and add the space to my current ubuntu install ? or it will break the boot menu and ubuntu wont start ?
[14:19] <similian> lotuspsychje thanks for the info
[14:19] <similian> snort seemed a bit heavy
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> similian: no sweat
[14:20] <snowkrash> is unity workspaces buggy?
[14:20] <snowkrash> its mostly hangs when i try to drag some app or window
[14:21] <ducasse> TheAmorphous: yes
[14:22] <Wirehunter> mantise, Is it an uefi system?
[14:23] <mantise> Wirehunter: think so but not sure tbh :p
[14:23] <Kingsy> Ugh, just copying the EFI folder doesnt work
[14:24] <mantise> i mean, if i want to remove my windows partitions and mbr, i need to reinstall ubuntu and remove all the partitions :s
[14:25] <cdunklau> is there a way to get to a shell in the desktop installer?
[14:25] <Wirehunter> Well, you would still need an partitien to store your efi files on anyway. It's the 250mb volume formatted with fat right?
[14:25] <cdunklau> i've tried CTRL+ALT+F2 through F6, and it just gives me a blinking cursor, no prompt
[14:25] <cdunklau> this is on 16.04
[14:26] <mantise> Wirehunter: yes :)
[14:26] <mantise> well i want to remove windows, and dont want the boot menu. i just want it to boot ubuntu when i turn on my pc
[14:27] <mantise> Wirehunter: the one with (Windows Loader) right ? :p
[14:28] <Kingsy> can anyone tell me how to mount or extract the contents of an .img file?
[14:29] <cdunklau> Kingsy: what's "file whatever.img" tell you
[14:29] <Wirehunter> mantise, Yeaeh. Maybe you can do something with this? https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall
[14:29] <mantise> Wirehunter: its a 105 mb partition, boot able
[14:29] <Kingsy> cdunklau: efi.img: DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x3c+2, OEM-ID "mkfs.fat", sectors/cluster 4, root entries 512, sectors 4800 (volumes <=32 MB) , Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/FAT 4, sectors/track 32, heads 64, serial number 0x3bee1d19, unlabeled, FAT (12 bit)
[14:30] <mantise> Wirehunter: thx i ll check it
[14:30] <cdunklau> Kingsy: how'd you make or get this file?
[14:30] <Wirehunter> mantise, you probably can just delete the windows partition. But you still need a /boot partition :P
[14:31] <mantise> Wirehunter: so i still get the ugly boot menu ? :D i have a sabertooth Z77 motherboard
[14:31] <Kingsy> cdunklau: I extracted it from a ubuntu minimal mini.iso   I am trying to add uefi support to a bootable usb
[14:32] <mantise> but yes maybe :) could try just to remove the windows space, and add it to ext4
[14:32] <Kingsy> according to this --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1429030 <-- if I can extract the img contents to the root of the usb it works
[14:32] <mantise> Wirehunter: f.eks, if i want the space for pure videos ect. pictures and stuff. i have to make it for /home ?
[14:33] <mantise> fx *
[14:33] <ducasse> mantise: you don't need /boot, but on uefi you need /boot/efi
[14:33] <cdunklau> Kingsy: don't you just need to dd it?
[14:34] <Kingsy> ducasse: I am not sure.. kinda just going off the posts in that bug
[14:35] <Kingsy> cdunklau: perhaps yeah, I am not sure how rto do that at the moment
[14:35] <mantise> cdunklau: well i dont see any /boot/efi tho :
[14:35] <ducasse> mantise: can you see /sys/firmware/efi ?
[14:36] <mantise> ducasse: not that either :)
[14:36] <mantise> acpi, dmi and memmap :) in that folder
[14:37] <ducasse> mantise: then you are not booted/installed in uefi mode.
[14:37] <Kingsy> cdunklau: how can I extract a .img with dd do you know?
[14:37] <mantise> ducasse: i see. just seen the uefi settings at my bios menu
[14:37] <ducasse> mantise: you can mount a disk with data anywhere you want, it doesn't need to be /home
[14:38] <mantise> ducasse: so i tought it was efi
[14:38] <thunderxwing> Hello?
[14:38] <mantise> ducasse: i know :) i just mean if i download a lot of crap. movies, pictures, sounds ect. that "trash" should be located in my /home folder. so it would be wise to put all the "loose" space for /home
[14:38] <thunderxwing> Is anyone here?
[14:39] <thunderxwing> Hi BlueKaj
[14:39] <mantise> ducasse: insted on in / root dir
[14:39] <ducasse> mantise: you can mount the disk elsewhere, and have say ~/Music be a symlink pointing there
[14:39] <mantise> of in *
[14:39] <mantise> oh i see
[14:40] <mantise> ducasse: with ln  ?
[14:40] <cdunklau> Kingsy: hmm, it does seem like they actually mean extract, instead of "write the image to the USB disk"
[14:41] <cdunklau> i'm not sure
[14:41] <cdunklau> is there a way to get to a shell in the desktop installer?
[14:41] <phos1> I am trying to setup a script to install blackfire for me automatically, how can i put in the srever ID / Token when the system prompts for them in the installation section? https://blackfire.io/docs/24-days/06-installation
[14:41] <cdunklau> i've tried CTRL+ALT+F2 through F6, and it just gives me a blinking cursor, no prompt
[14:41] <cdunklau> on 16.04
[14:41] <ducasse> mantise: yep
[14:42] <mantise> ducasse: ln -sf /path/to/file /path/to/symlink ?
[14:42] <Kingsy> cdunklau: yeah. There has got to be a way
[14:42] <ducasse> mantise: i wouldn't use -f, but manually move/remove target
[14:43] <mantise> uhm gonna try it. ill just remove my windows partitions and see what happens. also removing the windows loader partition
[14:43] <mantise> ducasse: thanks dude :)
[14:44] <cdunklau> alternately, is there a way to see why ubiquity or partman isn't respecting the confirm things in my preseed file?
[14:44] <DouglasK> byobu + BitVise are disagreeing... the status bar is one char longer than the terminal is wide, causing it to constantly scroll.  Image of issue and term settings are here:  http://imgur.com/a/0fRoC  ... Help?
[14:48] <cdunklau> https://gist.github.com/cdunklau/4dd99e2af65bb1b7260852486661a529  preseed file, boot options, and the packer template i'm using
[14:48] <PCatinean> hey guy
[14:48] <PCatinean> is the last part of the id_rsa.pub where the username is specified important?
[14:49] <cdunklau> the issue is that it doesn't seem to respect the partman confirm stuff.
[14:49] <PCatinean> as if, if I use it from another system user it will not work?
[14:49] <cdunklau> so it goes through the install, but then prompts me for what to do for partitioning
[14:49] <cdunklau> err, it goes through the install config at least
[14:49] <cdunklau> PCatinean: shouldn't matter
[14:49] <cdunklau> it's informational
[14:50] <PCatinean> cdunklau, strictly informational? and if I add this to github it should not make any difference
[14:50] <cdunklau> PCatinean: github will use it for the name unless you specify
[14:50] <cdunklau> otherwise yes
[14:50] <cdunklau> PCatinean: the name of the key i mean, in the github UI
[14:51] <PCatinean> sorry did nt get that
[14:51] <cdunklau> PCatinean: add the key without specifying a name for it in github, you'll see what i mean
[14:52] <cdunklau> PCatinean: all github cares about is the key
[14:56] <DouglasK> I'm seeing an issue with byobu ... it's making the status bar one char wider than the terminal window, which causes havoc.  Ideas?  (Images of issue at http://imgur.com/a/0fRoC)
[15:10] <Kingsy> hrm, can someone help me convert the mini.iso image to a UEFI bootable image?
[15:11] <DouglasK> Kingsy, check out PenDriveLinux.com
[15:12] <Menzador> Wait, Pendrivelinux' tools allow for UEFI bootable images now?
[15:12] <Menzador> I didn't think they did
[15:13] <Kingsy> DouglasK: sorry? I can write the iso to the stick, the question is about uefi
[15:13] <Kingsy> oh
[15:13] <Kingsy> what I mean is, the .iso I have does not have eufi support.. I want to add it.
[15:14] <brunch875> Hi!  I put some photos in /usr/share/backgrounds but they do not seem to be loading on the backgroud rotation
[15:14] <BluesKaj> !uefi
[15:14] <brunch875> any ideas?
[15:18] <xryuu> hello all!
[15:19] <xryuu> I want to ask a couple of questions.
[15:20] <Menzador> !Ask | xryuu
[15:20] <userone> Hello
[15:21] <xryuu> Budgie ubuntu takes a noticeable time booting up. Clean install(just installed it yesterday), HDD. Also after I log in desktop shows like after 15s~. Any way to speed them up?
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> !budgie | xryuu
[15:21] <xryuu> I'm asking here cause it's a flavour of Ubuntu but still ubuntu in the core
[15:22] <xryuu> if i'm not mistaken though
[15:22] <DouglasK> Anyone here have issues with byobu scrolling the status bar when ssh'd?
[15:22] <Kingsy> ahh I got it
[15:23] <yacc> Hi, is there some way to save the current display configuration and restore it later? (Background: I sometime use one of my displays with a different computer, hence it would be nice if my laptop knew that the display is gone. Switching the display on/off via the settings panel is kind of slow and bothersome).
[15:23] <Menzador> xryuu: You can check in #ubuntu-budgie or on their Gitter.im chat
[15:23] <Menzador> lotuspsychje: (I wrote that factoid and it needs and update, thanks for reminding me)
[15:23] <xryuu> Menzador will do!
[15:23] <xryuu> thank you
[15:25] <wimpog> I've got PCI compliance scan failure for CVE-2016-2183. Here is the version of my system: http://pastebin.com/DkReaJe1 What can I do to resolve this reported failure?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> Menzador: np, pretty relevant trigger you made mate
[15:26] <userone> xryuu have you tried a different hard drive?
[15:28] <Melatonina> Hello. What's the rationale of not allowing non-privileged processes to bind to <1024 ports?
[15:29] <Guest76844> I have a Laptop in dual boot kubunutu and Windows 10. i wish to create a virual machine that has its VDI in the windows partition. Is it possible ?
[15:29] <scottjl> because ports < 1024 are reserved for known services.
[15:29] <yacc> Tradition. Technically, listening on a port below 1024 was signalling that you are an official service
[15:30] <Melatonina> yacc: thanks.
[15:31] <Melatonina> scottjl: thanks
[15:31] <scottjl> Melatonina: sort of the same with UID & GID's under 1024, they were typically reserved for system accounts/groups.
[15:32] <scottjl> cat /etc/services if you want to see what services are typically running on what ports.
[15:32] <Guest76844> I have a Laptop in dual boot Kubuntu and Windows 10. I wish to create a virual machine that has its VDI in the windows partition. Is it possible ?
[15:33] <Menzador> Guest76844: Yes, simply remember to mount the Windows partition
[15:34] <xplora1a> y
[15:34] <Guest76844> Yes but I am unable to create a VDI in windows partiton.
[15:34] <Menzador> Guest76844: (I would, however, recommend not storing it in an awful please like the root of your Windows partition, so I'd create a symlink someplace to your home folder...)
[15:34] <Menzador> Guest76844: What error is it throwing?
[15:34] <Guest76844> Menzador: how do you suggest I do that ?
[15:35] <Guest76844> Could not create the medium storage unit '/media/beeta/B28CA59E8CA55D9B/VMs/Wai.vdi
[15:36] <Guest76844> Followed by : VDI: cannot create image '/media/alpha/B28CA59E8CA55D9B/VMs/Wai.vdi' (VERR_WRITE_PROTECT).
[15:36] <Menzador> Guest76844: Is your mount point read-only?
[15:36] <Kingsy> Noooooo hehe it installed but not it wont boot
[15:37] <Kingsy> when you are uwsing an EUFI system and it asks where to install the bootloader do I install it ot the MBR?
[15:37] <Guest76844> I don't know that.
[15:37] <Guest76844> Menzador: ^^
[15:38] <Menzador> Kingsy: Where's your EFI system partition mounted to?
[15:38] <Guest76844> BTW I tried chmod -R 777 /media/beeta/B28CA59E8CA55D9B
[15:39] <Guest76844> Menzador:  /
[15:39] <Menzador> Guest76844: That's a bad idea. UNIX permissions are not Windows permissions.
[15:39] <garry_>  /join #fsftn
[15:39] <Guest76844> I see. So is there any way Menzador.
[15:39] <Kingsy> Menzador: /
[15:40] <Kingsy> Menzador: I made two partitions, one "/boot" and one "/"
[15:40] <Menzador> Guest76844: So what needs to happen is you need to remount as read-write: [ sudo mount -n -o remount,rw /media/beeta/<that long disk UUID>/ ]
[15:41] <Menzador> Kingsy: Please pastebin your /etc/fstab
[15:41] <Guest76844> Menzador: Ok
[15:41] <context> conjure-up supported here also? im trying to conjure-up kubernetes for 'localhost' but i get a python backtrace in response
[15:42] <Kingsy> Menzador: how can I? I cant get access to the drive.. it wont boot at all
[15:42] <Kingsy> its not a dual boot machine
[15:42] <Kingsy> I am happy to reinstall, just not sure what to do differently
[15:43] <BluesKaj> !boot
[15:43] <Menzador> Kingsy: You don't need to do that, we just need to fix GRUB. Are you in a l
[15:43] <context> also, after doing snap install conjure-up --classic, the conjure-up command still didnt exist, so i did apt install conjure-up
[15:43] <Menzador> Kingsy: Are you in a Live image now?
[15:44] <Guest76844> Menzador: http://pastebin.com/f1pCWaM2
[15:44] <Kingsy> Menzador: umm no, 1 second let me see if I can try and get on. I am using the ubuntu minimal image you see
[15:45] <Kingsy> Menzador: ok I have a root shell from the ubumntu minimal image.
[15:45] <Kingsy> so I guess I am chroot on the usb
[15:45] <Menzador> Kingsy: The mini.iso can't even boot in a UEFI environment.
[15:46] <Menzador> Guest76844: Um, how about the output of [ sudo blkid ]?
[15:47] <Guest76844> Menzador: Wait.
[15:47] <Kingsy> Menzador: I changed the image slightly
[15:48] <Guest76844> Menzador: Where is the blkid ? Is this the one /lib/cryptsetup/checks/blkid ?
[15:49] <Menzador> Guest76844: [ sudo blkid ] is a command run in a terminal.
[15:49] <Kingsy> Menzador: I added the efi dir from the efi.img which was included. Looks like it supports uefi but it didnt have it enabled by default
[15:49] <Kingsy> Menzador: SO, now its installed I just need to try and get it to run
[15:50] <Guest76844> Menzador: http://pastebin.com/B4GHMrQ6
[15:51] <context> nm got it working
[15:52] <Menzador> Kingsy: With that, you'd need to drop to a root shell, chroot into the target system, connect to the Internet, and pull in the correct packages.
[15:52] <Kingsy> Menzador: pull the correct packages?
[15:53] <Menzador> Guest76844: [ sudo mount -n -o remount,rw /dev/sda4 ]
[15:53] <Menzador> Kingsy: Install them with apt
[15:53] <Kingsy> Menzador: oh crap
[15:53] <Menzador> Pull them into your system :)
[15:54] <Kingsy> I need a EFI system partition don't I?
[15:54] <Menzador> Kingsy: That's something you'll probably want a Live image for
[15:54] <OerHeks> !uefi
[15:54] <Guest76844> Menzador: thanks that worked.
[15:54] <Menzador> Guest76844: Easier than typing out that giant UUID.
[15:55] <Menzador> Guest76844: A more permanent solution would be to write it into /etc/fstab
[15:57] <Kingsy> Menzador: still not sure I know what you mean about apt-get but I don't think I need to do that now if I make the proper partition for /boot
[15:57] <Menzador> Kingsy: Creating an EFI system partition would be the first step, yes. Easy peas with GParted Live CD
[15:57] <Menzador> Kingsy: First, it looks like you need an EFI system partition.
[15:58] <Aurorasaura> What would you guys suggest for movies spread out on multiple hard drives of varying sizes? mhddfs or lvm?
[15:58] <Menzador> (Ignore the apparent redundancy)
[15:59] <OerHeks> Aurorasaura, use the one you like best :-) this is just ubuntu support
[15:59] <Aurorasaura> I know lol. Just wondering what would be best as far as reliability
[16:00] <Aurorasaura> Thank you though :) Ill poke around in a few other rooms.
[16:04] <Aurorasaura> And sorry about that. is there another Ubuntu channel for non support related stuff?
[16:05] <OerHeks> Aurorasaura, #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss, or use alis to search
[16:05] <OerHeks> !alis
[16:06] <Aurorasaura> ty OerHeks
[16:08] <l080> hi ppl
[16:09] <Melatonina> I'm trying to forward the port 80 to 8080 in order to let Tomcat work on that port. I'm running Ubuntu on VMWare. I read I have to use something like "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080". From ifconfig I see that my main interface is called "ens33" instead of "eth0". I attempted to use that rule with both "ens33" and "eth0" as interface both Tomcat is still not accessible without indicating the :8080
[16:09] <Melatonina> port explicitly. Does anybody have any suggestion?
[16:12] <nacc> Melatonina: why would you use eth0 as the interface if that is not a defined interface?
[16:13] <Melatonina> nacc: it was my first attempt. Then I checked and saw that the interface was called differently
[16:13] <nacc> Melatonina: you may need to delete that rule if it's still present
[16:13] <Melatonina> nacc: I removed that rule, added a new rule but the result is still the same
[16:13] <nacc> Melatonina: ah ok
[16:14] <craptalk> i disabled hibernation on my machine due to error on resuming from it, but what action does the system take when the battery is out? since i disabled the hibernation?
[16:14] <craptalk> is it going to be sleep mode or direct shutdown?
[16:15] <nacc> craptalk: you mean when the battery dies? i assume it depends on your ocnfiguration
[16:15] <Melatonina> nacc: iptables now shows "REDIRECT   tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere             tcp dpt:http redir ports 8080"
[16:15] <craptalk> nacc: yes, where can i find it? i did not find it on tweaktool or something
[16:15] <nacc> craptalk: power settings or something?
[16:16] <nacc> Melatonina: https://www.systutorials.com/816/port-forwarding-using-iptables/ ?
[16:16] <craptalk> thre is no such config on tweaktool and power options
[16:18] <Melatonina> I fixed the thing, I had to add an OUTPUT rule: iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080
[16:19] <nacc> craptalk: http://askubuntu.com/questions/195671/wont-hibernate-when-battery-critical seems to exist in dconf
[16:19] <Dr_Coke> craptalk, lol, that is the best name man
[16:20] <Melatonina> nacc: thanks. I fixed my main problem now. If I'll keep using this technology I'll read that link and maybe a book about the subject too. Thanks again!
[16:39] <Kingsy> is it possible to complete the ubunut minimal installation WITH partition encryption WITHOUT a /boot partition
[16:39] <ducasse> Kingsy: no.
[16:40] <Kingsy> When you are doing it with EUFI you need to create a EFI parititon anyway, does this not replace the /boot partition or do you need both?
[16:40] <Kingsy> sorry I am new to this EFI stuff
[16:40] <Kingsy> if thats a stupid quesiton :)
[16:40] <ducasse> Kingsy: you'll need both, the esp is /boot/efi
[16:40] <akik> Kingsy: /boot/efi it's a separate partition
[16:40] <Kingsy> ahj ok
[16:41] <ducasse> Kingsy: many/most other distros mount the esp at /boot, though, but not ubuntu.
[16:42] <Kingsy> Yeah for me they seem like they serve the same purpose?
[16:42] <Kingsy> Whats the sdifference between the data stored on each?
[16:42] <akik> Kingsy: /boot/efi file system is fat32
[16:43] <akik> or fat16 i don't know exactly
[16:43] <ducasse> Kingsy: the ubuntu way means kernels and initrd images are not stored on the esp
[16:43] <ducasse> fat32
[16:43] <Kingsy> Noooooo hehehe it didnt work again
[16:44] <Kingsy> oh, maybe it did.... I see grub anyway :)
[16:44] <EriC^^> Kingsy: the installer by default needs a separate /boot to work, later you can migrate /boot to the main partition and modify grub to decrypt it
[16:44] <Kingsy> EriC^^: that wouild be super cool to figure out
[16:44] <EriC^^> Kingsy: as for the efi partition, you can't do much about that, the bios needs to be able to read it to load the efi file, as far as i know
[16:44] <Kingsy> never done anything like that before
[16:45] <ducasse> no, encrypting the esp is not possible, unless you use the hw crypto stuff in modern disks.
[16:45] <EriC^^> Kingsy: migrating /boot is easy, just copy the files somewhere, delete what's in /boot , unmount the /boot partition, comment out the line for mounting it in /etc/fstab , then copy the files back and edit /etc/default/grub and add a configuration line
[16:46] <user01> hi can you successfully root samsung devices with heimdall on linux, or better to install wine and try to run odin?
[16:46] <ducasse> user01: ask in ##android
[16:46] <Menzador> Isn't it #android ?
[16:46] <EriC^^> Kingsy: this is the configuration line GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y
[16:46] <user01> ducasse, ok they more know about linux apps got it
[16:47] <ducasse> Menzador: maybe you're right, not certain.
[16:48] <EriC^^> Kingsy: then sudo update-grub and it's done, you'll have to enter the password twice though, once to decrypt it for grub to load its stuff, and the second time as usual, unless there's some hackery you can do to avoid the second one
[16:48] <Menzador> ducasse: Yeah , #android is the official IRC home of AOSP
[16:49] <alexandre> cadee
[16:49] <alexandre> so bora
[16:50] <akik> for luks you can have a keyfile which is used to open the encrypted partition
[16:50] <ducasse> user01: looking at the list, you probably want #android-root
[16:52] <bigode> Hello folks!
[16:53] <bigode> Does Ubuntu install DVD have a hardware diagnostic tool?
[16:53] <compdoc> just memtest86
[16:54] <compdoc> which is helpful
[16:54] <bigode> compdoc: to test memory then.
[16:54] <compdoc> also, it has SMART
[16:54] <compdoc> smartctl
[16:54] <compdoc> to check your drive
[16:54] <bigode> compdoc: because my comp is frizing from time to time. I suspect it is some hardware issue.
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg | bigode check your logs
[16:55] <compdoc> bigode, could be ram, power supply, or hard drive. less likely, could be bad motherboard
[16:56] <bigode> alright, thank you!
[16:56] <compdoc> bigode. oh, be sure the fans are all running too
[16:57] <OerHeks> sometimes you pc is just working hard, how do you tell it freeses?
[17:00] <Kingsy> EriC^^: thanks, not sure I want to enter my password in twice tho
[17:00] <Kingsy> so I might leave it
[17:00] <elichai2> hi
[17:00] <elichai2> i'm looking for an idea how to monitor reconnections on wifi
[17:00] <Kingsy> EriC^^: what is weird, if I reboot my PC, it doesnt work, I get a blanks creen, but then if I turn it off and back on again I see grub
[17:00] <Kingsy> what in the world
[17:01] <elichai2> I thought maybe there's a way to make an alert or popup somehow when a specific word is inside dmesg
[17:01] <idgarad> Question: With the Yakkety release there doesn't appear to be an iscsitarget package. What is the current toolset for iscsitarget management that I should be using?
[17:01] <EriC^^> Kingsy: that *is* odd
[17:01] <EriC^^> Kingsy: maybe it's not rebooting fully?
[17:04] <Kingsy> EriC^^: its 100% rebooting fully, I can get the boot order popup from UEFI before it hangs
[17:05] <Kingsy> Then I select EFI OS loader ... ubuntu... and it hangs
[17:05] <Kingsy> off and on again and it loads straight into grub without the popup
[17:06] <nacc> idgarad: iscsitarget was not for iscsi target management, it was for the kernel module (afaict), which is not needed any longer
[17:06] <EriC^^> Kingsy: odd, how'd you get uefi to work with the mini installer btw?
[17:06] <nacc> idgarad: managing iscsi targets is done via other tools, iscsiadm, tgtadm (if using a tgt server)
[17:06] <blocky> is the version of firefox that was released today (52) going to be in repos in the next 24 hours?
[17:07] <Kingsy> EriC^^: copied the contents of the efi.img into the iso root then extracted it to the Fat32 usb stick
[17:08] <idgarad> k, rebuilding my ZFS iscsi sets for the backups and used to manage it by hand with the /etc/iet. So I should use iscsiadm to manage that now correct?
[17:08] <ducasse> Kingsy: so if you turn it off and on it loads the default efi bootloader, if you reset it wants you to choose?
[17:09] <nacc> idgarad: i don't know -- "ZFS iscsi sets" is not something I understand -- can you rephrase it?
[17:09] <nacc> idgarad: i never used iscsitarget, i'm just trying to understand what you need
[17:09] <ducasse> blocky: probably not.
[17:09] <Kingsy> ducasse: no I am loading the popup manually so I can try and force it to boot to the right thing..
[17:09] <Kingsy> doh. Now it doesnt boot at all, its just stuck on Ubuntu 16.10 .....
[17:09] <Kingsy> hehe no luck
[17:10] <Dead_> hi
[17:11] <Dead_> when i run application the above dispear
[17:11] <Dead_> then when i want to close it dispear how to get ret of this
[17:11] <Dead_> when run firfox or mail the file edit dispear
[17:11] <Dead_> any help
[17:11] <nacc> Dead_: hit alt
[17:12] <idgarad> export a lun for my zfs zvol in days past I just added my own Target iqn in /etc/iet/ietd.conf (which doesn't exist apparently in Yakkety) so I have no idea where to go with this release to configured my iscsi targets.
[17:12] <Dead_> no no
[17:12] <Dead_> i dont want it despair
[17:12] <Dead_> how to fix this
[17:12] <nacc> idgarad: sorry, i'm confused -- are you configing an iscsi server or connecting to an iscsi target?
[17:13] <idgarad> server
[17:13] <nacc> idgarad: ok, you want tgt for that
[17:13] <Dead_> can sombody help me
[17:13] <Dead_> i to fix the dispearing file edit
[17:14] <Dead_> and the close
[17:14] <ducasse> !patience | Dead_
[17:14] <Dead_> dont know how to ask this
[17:14] <Kingsy> meh, it hangs on "Started WPA supplicant"
[17:14] <idgarad> any solid links for tgt tutorials, never used that toolset.
[17:14] <Dead_> sombody help me pleas
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> !details | Dead_
[17:14] <ouroumov> Dead_, in Firefox hit alt, then go to View -> Toolbars and check "Menu Bar"
[17:14] <Kingsy> looks like its struggling to raise network interfaces
[17:14] <calamari> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I am having a hardware issue that it looks to me might be caused by a commit I see in the 4.4 kernel tree. I would like to see if it goes away with Linux 4.2. Looking in the package repo, it seems like I'll have to go back to 14.04 to get a 4.2 kernel. Is there a high risk to my system if I try to install one?
[17:15] <Dead_> dont work
[17:15] <Dead_> dude very apllication it dispear
[17:15] <Dead_>  i dont want it dispear like in windows
[17:15] <Dead_> every*
[17:15] <Pici> Dead_: "it"?
[17:15] <OerHeks> Dead_, see ouroumov, it works.
[17:16] <Dead_> ???
[17:16] <Menzador> !Enter | Dead_
[17:16] <Dead_> sombody can tell me how to get ret of dispearing file edit and close ??
[17:16] <Dead_> how to google this ??
[17:17] <Dead_> dispearing file edit bugs your system
[17:17] <Pici> Dead_: did you look at what ouroumov said to you?
[17:17] <Kingsy> why would it be waiting? I don't have a ethernet plugged in...
[17:17] <Dead_> what is ouroumov
[17:17] <Menzador> Dead_: By "file edit", do you mean the global menu (the menus at the top of the window)?
[17:17] <Dead_> yes
[17:17] <Dead_> yes Menzador
[17:17] <Kingsy> meh
[17:18] <Kingsy> I'll change tit to allow-hotplug
[17:18] <Dead_> it dispear in al aplicaiton i dont want it
[17:18] <Kingsy> I guess that'll do it
[17:18] <nacc> idgarad: it's unfortunately not greatly documented -- let me find what i've used
[17:18] <Apachez> any hints on how to get a motd when the user login to ubuntu-desktop? that is similar to that onetime popup who describes which shortcut keys you got but I want my own message to the user
[17:18] <nacc> idgarad: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-setup-linux-iscsi-target-sanwith-tgt.html, http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2016/03/iscsi-target-setup/comment-page-1/
[17:18] <Menzador> Pici , OerHeks : they are talking about the global menu
[17:19] <Menzador> ouroumov: ^
[17:19] <Dead_> sombody can help me
[17:19] <idgarad> perfect those will be sufficent, thank you nacc
[17:19] <idgarad> o7
[17:19] <Dead_> any help pleas
[17:19] <Menzador> Dead_: Go to System Settings
[17:19] <Dead_> yes
[17:20] <Menzador> Dead_: Oops, my mistake. You don't need System Settings. Install Unity Tweak Tool
[17:20] <Dead_> send link terminal
[17:20] <Dead_> fast brother
[17:20] <ducasse> !patience | Dead_
[17:21] <Dead_> i am new user of ubuntu before windwos 10
[17:21] <Dead_> many problems with playing online fightcade in windows 10 know i using ubuntu no lag no bugs
[17:21] <Menzador> Dead_: I'm getting mixed up. So the disappearing global menu is a feature, not a bug
[17:22] <Dead_> yes a feature no bug
[17:22] <Menzador> Dead_: Press the Alt key in the desired window.
[17:22] <Dead_> i dont want it disappering
[17:22] <Dead_> no thaht is not what i want
[17:22] <Dead_> presing always alt it most stay like in windows
[17:22] <Dead_> i dont want it disappering
[17:23] <OerHeks> Dead_, that behaviour is called global menu, open systemsettings>appearance > behaviour> 'in the menubar' <> 'in the windows title bar'
[17:23] <Dead_> thaht shit bugs the system dispearing global menu
[17:23] <OerHeks> Dead_, ^^
[17:23] <Menzador> !language
[17:23] <MediocreN> so... question
[17:23] <MediocreN> everyone seen the ridiculous vault 7 info
[17:23] <Dead_> thanks
[17:23] <ouroumov> MediocreN, yes
[17:23] <Dead_> thanks Menzador
[17:23] <OerHeks> MediocreN, that is offtopic
[17:23] <ducasse> MediocreN: offtopic here
[17:23] <Dead_> gg
[17:24] <MediocreN> where would it be on topic
[17:24] <Dead_> damn looks so good
[17:24] <ouroumov> MediocreN, it's too early to asses impact, but stay on top of updates in the coming days.
[17:24] <Dead_> i have inttel system
[17:24] <Dead_> how to update chipset is thaht happening automatic in apt-get update
[17:24] <Dead_> ???
[17:25] <KOF2000-DEAD> ??
[17:25] <Pici> KOF2000-DEAD: I don't understand your question.
[17:25] <KOF2000-DEAD> intel system me
[17:26] <KOF2000-DEAD> processor intel
[17:26] <KOF2000-DEAD> chipset how to update wil this happen automatic in apt get update
[17:26] <Menzador> Pici: Intel microcode updates?
[17:26] <Pici> KOF2000-DEAD: What is your native language, perhaps there is a better channel for you to ask in?
[17:26] <MediocreN> ouroumov: ok, will do.
[17:26] <Pici> Menzador: I'm tired of guessing.
[17:26] <KOF2000-DEAD> english is good bro
[17:26] <OerHeks> DeaDSouL, you don't update chipset with ubuntu updates. see the manual howto update your chipset
[17:26] <MediocreN> just interested in discussing with people who arent clueless as my coworkers >.>
[17:26] <OerHeks> oh he changed name
[17:26] <Pici> KOF2000-DEAD: Not for us, its very tough to understand what you are asking.
[17:26] <KOF2000-DEAD> easy to understand pici
[17:26] <Bitnova> Hi, Ubuntu 16.04 kernel has not been updating to newer kernels, since i downgraded to 4.4.0.57 due to buggy updates in 4.4.0.59.  Can anyone tell me why i have not been receiving any auto-updates since the manual downgrade?
[17:26] <KOF2000-DEAD> learn how to code honey
[17:27] <Pici> KOF2000-DEAD: Excuse me?
[17:27] <KOF2000-DEAD> learn how to understand the pc world
[17:27] <KOF2000-DEAD> intel chipset how to update
[17:27] <KOF2000-DEAD> easy to understand if you are l33t
[17:27] <KOF2000-DEAD> niggah
[17:27] <ducasse> aha.
[17:27] <ducasse> buhbye!
[17:28] <KOF2000-DEAD> how to update intel chipset
[17:28] <Menzador> ducasse: (I said that in Markiplier's voice, I clearly need help)
[17:28] <KOF2000-DEAD> thoes this happen in apt get update
[17:28] <rsvp> New version to get internet speed from command line:  https://git.io/speed -- thanks all, PR welcome.
[17:28] <Pici> KOF2000-DEAD: if there is an update availabe, it will get applied.
[17:28] <Pici> !guidelines > KOF2000-DEAD
[17:28] <KOF2000-DEAD> thanks Pici
[17:28] <Bitnova> hello anyone....?
[17:29] <KOF2000-DEAD> Pici:  you are admin
[17:29] <Menzador> !Anyone | Bitnova
[17:29] <Bitnova> Ubuntu 16.04 kernel has not been updating to newer kernels, since i downgraded to 4.4.0.57 due to buggy updates in 4.4.0.59.  Can anyone tell me why i have not been receiving any auto-updates since the manual downgrade?
[17:29] <KOF2000-DEAD> respect to ubuntu arcade fightstick works great in ubuntu
[17:30] <KOF2000-DEAD> fightcade.com also some bugs when to install fightcade
[17:30] <KOF2000-DEAD> from a sh script
[17:30] <compdoc> 4.4.0-64-generic is current for me
[17:30] <KOF2000-DEAD> in mint the apllication get installed well from the script
[17:30] <KOF2000-DEAD> but in ubuntu it dont does what have to do
[17:30] <Kingsy> EriC^^: looks lioke its not realted to rebooting that blank screen.. it happens when I dod sudo shutdown -h now
[17:31] <Bitnova> thanks compdoc . do you know if you manually downgrade to a previous kernel - dont you get automatic updates again?
[17:31] <KOF2000-DEAD> i have to go thanks for al the help
[17:31] <KOF2000-DEAD> gg guys
[17:31] <KOF2000-DEAD> i am happy with ubuntu
[17:31] <KOF2000-DEAD> better then windows
[17:32] <compdoc> Bitnova, no. you use a desktop? open the app and look at settings. Or look in the .conf file
[17:32] <bigode> can I make a bootable flash drive from a desktop ubuntu version?
[17:32] <Bitnova> compdoc, yes. ok
[17:32] <MediocreN> oh yeah, bootable flash of what?
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> !usb | bigode
[17:33] <MediocreN> if your trying to make another ubuntu drive, just use startup disk creator
[17:33] <Kingsy> bigode: dd will do it --> dd bs=4M if=iso.iso of=/dev/sdx status=progress && sync
[17:33] <MediocreN> if your making a boot for a different OS it varies, but yeah DD is definitely a good one
[17:33] <MediocreN> make sure you set bootable flags on it
[17:34] <DouglasK> I'm seeing an issue with byobu ... it's making the status bar one char wider than the terminal window, which causes havoc.  Ideas?  (Images of issue at http://imgur.com/a/0fRoC)
[17:39] <Bitnova> xenial used to update kernels automatically until a manual downgrade that i did a month ago because of buggy 4.4.0.59 kernel. Now im not getting auto updates of newer kernel 4.4.0.64. besides manually installing the newer kernel, how can i make it to auto update again?? can anyone help??
[17:41] <nacc> Bitnova: if you install the metapackage (linux, iirc, or linux-image or linux-image-generic), it should just work
[17:41] <adasdadasdasda> hi, guys how can i fix this - http://paste.debian.net/918620/ ?
[17:41] <samsepiol> Does anybody have GoLang installed
[17:41] <nacc> samsepiol: many people do
[17:42] <samsepiol> Is it easy to install?
[17:42] <OerHeks> adasdadasdasda, fix what exactly? and what linux version is this?
[17:44] <adasdadasdasda> OerHeks: rsyslogd..
[17:44] <nacc> samsepiol: typically, you dont' install a language, you install the interpreter of a language, or you install some golang using package
[17:44] <nacc> !info golang xenial | sammy__
[17:44] <nacc> sammy__: sorry!
[17:44] <ursinus> Having problems creating VPN connections in Ubuntu 16.04
[17:45] <thinky> hello
[17:45] <OerHeks> adasdadasdasda, yes i can read, but fix what? cron performed a session cleaning perfectly
[17:45] <ursinus> Save button is disables
[17:45] <thinky> easy question for you :p
[17:45] <ursinus> *disables
[17:45] <ursinus> *disabled
[17:46] <thinky> how can i extract tar.gz file from "Download" location to " ~/.themes " location?
[17:46] <ursinus> Also, the "Add VPN connection" is disables
[17:46] <ursinus> *disabled
[17:46] <nacc> thinky: tar zxCf ~/.themes Download/path/to/tar.gz
[17:46] <thinky> thank u nacc
[17:46] <ursinus> help?
[17:47] <adasdadasdasda> OerHeks: but.. this communicated with action 17 normally Is it earns?
[17:48] <ursinus> please?
[17:48] <thinky> nacc:  Cannot open: No such file or directory
[17:49] <toothe> what's a good amount of swap...?
[17:49] <toothe> bad question, I know.
[17:49] <salutandonio> hi
[17:49] <nacc> thinky: do you not have a .themes directory? or maybe you didn't pass the path to the real tar.gz?
[17:49] <thinky> i did nacc
[17:50] <salutandonio> i'm having a resolution problem on lubuntu, when i reboot the machine the resolution is wrong. despite i select the right one, it is not remembered
[17:50] <thinky> when i visit /home/user/ directory i cant see themes folder there
[17:50] <ursinus> toothe: how much RAM do you have?
[17:50] <nacc> thinky: are you logged in as that user?
[17:50] <thinky> i am trying to install this theme : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/gnome-os-x-mac-gtk-theme-for-linux
[17:50] <thinky> yes nacc
[17:51] <nacc> thinky: please use a pastebin and show the exact command and output
[17:51] <ducasse> toothe: the answer to that is 'nothing, a bit or a lot' :)
[17:51] <ursinus> can anyone help me with my VPN issue? please...
[17:51] <thinky> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24132034/
[17:52] <OerHeks> adasdadasdasda, and what linux version ? the url http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2007 links to an old issue
[17:52] <tuxer> Hello, hopefully this is the right place. Do anybody know when the new version of aMule (2.3.2) will be put into official repositories? The SVN version is experimental, full of bugs and crash tons of time. It should be changed with the more stable one.
[17:53] <xiusfist> does wireshark work on ubuntu?
[17:53] <ursinus> xiusfist: Yes
[17:53] <knikhurpa> sumatrapdf
[17:53] <xiusfist> ursinus: cool
[17:54] <knikhurpa> [sorry! accidentally typed]
[17:54] <OerHeks> tuxer, haha ubuntu got 2.4.0
[17:54] <OerHeks> !info amule
[17:54] <tuxer> Oer, 2.4.0 is SVN experimental
[17:54] <ursinus> Guys... I'm not able to create VPN connections on my ubuntu 16.04... Save button is always disabled...
[17:55] <tuxer> 2.3.2 is the stable with all bugs on SVN fixed
[17:55] <ursinus> Any resolution or fix?
[17:55] <ducasse> !info amule xenial
[17:55] <Bitnova> nacc, it seems like this command: sudo apt-get install linux-generic has detected the latest kernel etc.   So i must run only that to update? not sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic?
[17:55] <ducasse> tuxer: file a bug against the package and explain that
[17:56] <OerHeks> tuxer, oh my bad, zesty got it already
[17:56] <OerHeks> !info amule zesty
[17:56] <tuxer> ducasse just check their official forums, all bugs are reported and are the same for all peoples, Developers already stated that those bugs are fixed in 2.3.2
[17:57] <ursinus> ** Message: Cannot save connection due to error: Editor initializing...
[17:57] <ursinus> ** Message: Cannot save connection due to error: Invalid setting VPN: remote
[17:57] <ursinus> ** Message: Cannot save connection due to error: Editor initializing...
[17:57] <ursinus> ** Message: Cannot save connection due to error: Invalid setting VPN: gateway
[17:57] <ursinus> ** Message: Cannot save connection due to error: Editor initializing...
[17:58] <ducasse> tuxer: explain that to the maintainers, not to me. they can fix it, i can't.
[17:58] <tuxer> how can i contact them?
[17:58] <nacc> Bitnova: that metapackage will track the latest from there
[17:58] <ducasse> !bug | tuxer
[17:59] <Bitnova> nacc, so only linux-generic is needed
[17:59] <nacc> thinky: `ls -ahl ~/.themes`
[17:59] <Bitnova> thanks nacc
[17:59] <nacc> Bitnova: i think so?
[17:59] <tuxer> well, but i'm not asking for bug support. I already reported the bugs to original amule developers.
[17:59] <nacc> tuxer: amule developers != packagers
[17:59] <thinky> ls: cannot access '/home/m/.themes': No such file or directory
[17:59] <nacc> tuxer: at least, not necessarily
[18:00] <nacc> thinky: that's your problem, it does not exist, as i asked if it did earlier
[18:00] <nacc> thinky: tar will not create the extraction directory
[18:00] <thinky> i see
[18:00] <nacc> thinky: and themes != .themese
[18:00] <thinky> should i create manually ?
[18:00] <ducasse> tuxer: but you want it fixed in ubuntu, right? then you need to take it up with the ubuntu maintainers by filing a bug.
[18:00] <nacc> thinky: yes
[18:00] <tuxer> i know, and i already said, they have fixed all bugs from SVN version (the actual one on ubuntu repos), in the newer one (2.3.2)
[18:00] <thinky> ok thanks
[18:00] <meljksa> when i drag and drop processing-3.3 from my home drive to my sd card, it says error copying "ja"
[18:00] <meljksa> and a bunch of other ones too
[18:01] <meljksa> and i had to skip all of them
[18:01] <ducasse> tuxer: since zesty already has it, it should be trivial.
[18:01] <meljksa> so its missing files
[18:01] <meljksa> im on trusty btw
[18:01] <tuxer> only zesty?
[18:01] <nacc> !latest | tuxer
[18:01] <nacc> tuxer: have you filed a bug with ubuntu?
[18:01] <ducasse> tuxer: yes
[18:01] <meljksa> please help
[18:01] <tuxer> no nacc, i'm not asking for any bug support.
[18:02] <tuxer> 2.3.2 is not only the latest, but the more stable
[18:02] <ducasse> tuxer: then what do you want?
[18:02] <tuxer> svn is experimental
[18:02] <nacc> tuxer: what are you talking about
[18:02] <nacc> tuxer: bugs are how you ask for package updates
[18:02] <nacc> tuxer: this is the support channel, not for asking aobut package updates
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> meljksa: does your sd have space enough left?
[18:03] <tuxer> ok then i will contact bug support
[18:03] <tuxer> i came here because i don't know how it works
[18:03] <thinky> another question is
[18:03] <nacc> !bug | tuxer
[18:03] <thinky> when i do "sudo apt-update" it updates very very slowly with byte speed :S
[18:04] <thinky> my connection is quiet good i wonder why it downloads updates very slow
[18:04] <thinky> any idea please?
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> thinky: when did it started going slow?
[18:04] <thinky> lotuspsychje:  for a week
[18:04] <nacc> thinky: are you using a bad mirror?
[18:04] <thinky> or so
[18:05] <thinky> i am using same location nacc
[18:05] <thinky> never had this problem before
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> thinky: you could try changing mirror, or ask about your country in #ubuntu-mirrors
[18:05] <thinky> 288kb  downloading with 3.215B/s 2min51s
[18:06] <bigode> I did download Ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso to use with UNetbooting app in a Mac in order to create a bootable disk for pc, but when I click Ok, the process just won't start. Did it happen to someone already?
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> thinky: sometimes happens that mirrors of some country are lagging/have problems
[18:06] <thinky> changing mirror in update manager?
[18:06] <thinky> software updater i mean
[18:06] <thinky> even it is very slow :S
[18:06] <OerHeks> thinky, maybe your mirror is beiing updated, try again in a few minutes?
[18:07] <thinky> OerHeks:  i am trying every day
[18:07] <cuckoo> hey i am having problem in ipconfig for xp in virtualbox
[18:07] <thinky> it is same
[18:07] <thinky> for about a week or so
[18:07] <cuckoo> ipconfig is not showing anything :(
[18:08] <quadHelix> Ubuntu 14.04LTS Server.  I am trying to disable the arcfour cipher in ssh for PCI Compliance.  I have googled and gone through many articles, both ssh_config and sshd_config do not reference "arcfour".  Could anybody point me in the right direction?  Do I have to compile from source or something?
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> quadHelix: perhaps the #ubuntu-server guys might know more of it?
[18:09] <ducasse> cuckoo: you are having problems with xp in virtualbox?
[18:09] <quadHelix> lotuspshcyje, thanks did not know that room existed :)
[18:09] <cuckoo> yes
[18:09] <ducasse> cuckoo: ask in ##windows
[18:09] <bigode> I think the big mess here which is not working is because I am trying to create a bootable flash drive for pc in a Mac.
[18:09] <quadHelix> psst ifconfig :)
[18:09] <cuckoo> ducasse, actually i am using host only adapter vboxneto but when i am doing ipconfig no ip is shwinh in xpterminal
[18:09] <OerHeks> thinky, and what mirror exactly ? can you paste the update output to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> quadHelix: there is also an #openssh channel if that fits your needs
[18:10] <quadHelix> lotuspsychje, thanks a ton, ill wander over there.
[18:11] <thinky> weirdly it got faster now
[18:11] <thinky> interesting
[18:12] <ArtGravity> Anyone know if there is a channel where the Ubuntu LibreOffice Team can be found?
[18:12] <thinky> see how slow it is when downloading : https://paste.ubuntu.com/24132106/
[18:13] <thinky> still slow
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: are you looking for #libreoffice channel?
[18:13] <ArtGravity> But specifically for Ubuntu
[18:13] <ArtGravity> aka the people who handle the PPA at https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice
[18:14] <ArtGravity> SI switched to the PPA to get newer LibreOffice and that has been great, but it has lead to warnings in the output of apt-get upgrade
[18:15] <ArtGravity> W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package libreoffice-l10n
[18:15] <ArtGravity> I get about 20 lines of that every time I 'apt-get upgrade' now
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | ArtGravity
[18:15] <ArtGravity> Followed by "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems"
[18:16] <OerHeks> ArtGravity, if you used https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases, contact the team by mail.
[18:16] <OerHeks> ppa's are not supported here :-(
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: are you not happy with current version of libreoffice that comes by default in ubuntu?
[18:18] <ArtGravity> lotuspsychje: I run 14.04 LTS, so no, LibreOffice 4 is a bit out of date.
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: try ubuntu 16.04 perhaps?
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: its very recommended to use package versions for specific ubuntu version
[18:18] <ArtGravity> I may, but it isn't a simple move in a production environment
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: i understand, perhaps backports?
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> !backport | ArtGravity
[18:19] <ArtGravity> lotuspsychje: good suggestion
[18:20] <quadHelix> there is a .deb package for libre office...  just saying
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> quadHelix: newer package versions might conflict with older ubuntu
[18:20] <OerHeks> quadHelix, sure, tons of .deb packages, but we don't support all packages outside our repos.
[18:21] <beeray> hello, I have some prob on my ubuntu 16.04. I am connected to the internet thru wlan0, and I and setting up a bridge on openvswitch whiich I want to add the eth0 to. but eth0 is not showing any IP and dhclient is not working with it. After checking the route -n I see that the route is using wlan0 instead of eth0 and the new bridge I created on openvswitch. Please I need a hand
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: another suggestion we have, might be the snapd way installing libreoffice snap
[18:24] <ArtGravity> I'm not too excited about snapd
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: in some cases could be usefull
[18:26] <beeray> hello, I have some prob on my ubuntu 16.04. I am connected to the internet thru wlan0, and I and setting up a bridge on openvswitch whiich I want to add the eth0 to. but eth0 is not showing any IP and dhclient is not working with it. After checking the route -n I see that the route is using wlan0 instead of eth0 and the new bridge I created on openvswitch. Please I need a hand
[18:28] <ArtGravity> It looks like there is no libreoffice 5.x in trusty-backports, so the PPA is the way. I would just like to clear up the warnings even though they don't actually hurt anything.
[18:28] <ducasse> !patience | beeray
[18:28] <ArtGravity> I may just have to see if I can find the PPA team by email.
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: ppa is always risky mate, could scramble your system
[18:29] <ArtGravity> I've been using PPAs for 9 years without any incident that I couldn't resolve.
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: just checked the snap libreoffice, gives us version 5.3.0.3
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> ArtGravity: you can use ppa's if you like mate, its your system
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> beeray: perhaps while you wait, ##networking can do something for you?
[18:32] <maarhart`> how to install the boost libraries?
[18:32] <maarhart`> I get: checking for boostlib >= 1.46... configure: We could not detect the boost libraries (version 1.46 or higher). If you have a staged boost library (still not installed) please specify $BOOST_ROOT in your environment and do not give a PATH to --with-boost option.
[18:34] <beeray> ok
[18:37] <scottjl> maarhart`: apt install libboost-all-dev will install the whole deall
[18:38] <maarhart`> scottjl: yes, I did that but no luck
[18:39] <scottjl> maarhart`: did you set boost_root then? or use --with-boost=<path>?
[18:40] <maarhart`> scottjl: what would that path be like?
[18:40] <scottjl> maybe something in /var/lib/boost? i'd look in /var/lib first.
[18:40] <scottjl> err /usr/lib
[18:41] <maarhart`> scottjl: not there
[18:42] <scottjl> /usr/local/lib?
[18:43] <scottjl> are there any docs in /usr/share/doc/boost*?
[18:43] <scottjl> grep boost /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*
[18:44] <maarhart`> nope
[18:44] <maarhart`> nothing
[18:44] <scottjl> ls /usr/lib/libboost*.so
[18:45] <maarhart`> but I see for instance libboost_math_c99.so.1.55.0 in /usr/local/lib
[18:45] <scottjl> ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost*
[18:45] <maarhart`> no such file
[18:45] <wenxs> Hey, is there any tool to check the integrity of a remote file? I transferred a 16GB file using rsync and I'd like to know if the local and remote are identical
[18:45] <scottjl> /usr/share/boost-build ?
[18:46] <maarhart`> ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost* --> many .so and .a files
[18:46] <scottjl> wenxs: man md5sum
[18:46] <wenxs> thanks scottjl
[18:46] <scottjl> maarhart`: then that is where the libs are
[18:47] <scottjl> try setting that as BOOST_ROOT or --with-boost=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[18:48] <maarhart`> scottjl: tried the latter one, but nothing
[18:48] <maarhart`> same error
[18:48] <viviana_> hi
[18:48] <scottjl> no idea. might want to try the official libboost site and look at their docs. i'm not familiar with libboost
[18:49] <maarhart`> okay, there is /usr/share/boost-build
[18:49] <scottjl> try that then
[18:49] <CrazyTux> hello, of late I am having some serious problem with Xubuntu 16.10 installed on my new laptop.
[18:49] <maarhart`> scottjl: nothing.
[18:49] <ducasse> maarhart`: or use dpkg -L to list the files of the package(s)
[18:49] <viviana_> @CrazyTux what is the problem?
[18:49] <CrazyTux> At login screen the cursor stops responding
[18:50] <CrazyTux> sometimes the OS freezes for no obvious reason
[18:50] <scottjl> maarhart`: maybe try google: ubuntu <software-you-are-building> libboost  and see if anyone else has that error.
[18:50] <scottjl> or ubuntu configure <software you are building> libboost
[18:50] <viviana_> CrazyTux: What is the model of your laptop?
[18:50] <CrazyTux> I raised this query multiple times on this channel. Waiting for the solution
[18:50] <CrazyTux> Asus X series.
[18:50] <maarhart`> ducasse: /.;/usr;/usr/share;/usr/share/doc;/usr/share/doc/libboost1.58-all-dev;/usr/share/doc/libboost1.58-all-dev/copyright;/usr/share/doc/libboost1.58-all-dev/changelog.Debian.gz
[18:51] <maarhart`>  
[18:51] <CrazyTux> it runs on core i3 cpu
[18:51] <maarhart`> scottjl: yes I tried that
[18:51] <scottjl> libboost seems to install a lot all over the place.
[18:51] <CrazyTux> has four gbs of ram.
[18:51] <maarhart`> I'm trying to build mpd
[18:51] <ducasse> maarhart`: then look at the other boost packages
[18:52] <ducasse> maarhart`: why build mpd? it's in the repos.
[18:52] <maarhart`> ducasse: there's so many
[18:52] <maarhart`> ducasse: I changed one line of code
[18:52] <scottjl> maarhart`: they have #mpd ask there maybe?
[18:52] <scottjl> sorry #mod-dev
[18:52] <CrazyTux> this problem is not there in Mint which I have installed on the same laptop in multi boot setup.
[18:52] <scottjl> #mpd-dev (damn fingers)
[18:52] <maarhart`> okay, that means waiting, but thanks
[18:53] <CrazyTux> But, I like to use Xubuntu.
[18:53] <scottjl> well i'm out of ideas. sorry
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> CrazyTux: have you tested LTS?
[18:54] <CrazyTux> I needed some packages that are latest and are available in 16.10
[18:54] <CrazyTux> hence, I installed it.
[18:54] <maarhart2> thanks anyway scottjl
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> CrazyTux: i understand, but does it work on 16.04?
[18:55] <CrazyTux> does it mean LTS is more stable than this
[18:55] <CrazyTux> yes. Before this I had LTS installed on the same laptop.
[18:55] <scottjl> maarhart2: i found your issue on github
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> CrazyTux: in most cases LTS is more stable, but that doesnt mean it cant be solved on 16.10
[18:56] <scottjl> try apt-get install libboost1.48-all-dev
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> CrazyTux: you might consider a bug?
[18:56] <CrazyTux> ok
[18:56] <CrazyTux> what is the solution.
[18:56] <nacc> scottjl: 12.04 ?
[18:57] <scottjl> sent you link.
[18:57] <maarhart2> thanks scottjl
[18:57] <scottjl> np. good luck
[18:57] <CrazyTux> suppose I am working and suddently it freezes, all my data will be lost. I won't be able to save anything, because the only way out of that situation is pressing the power button on my laptop.
[18:58] <scottjl> CrazyTux: have you ever used windows? ;-)
[18:58] <CrazyTux> that is a very serious issu. That pushed me to use Mint.
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> CrazyTux: if its working on LTS,why not stick to it?.
[18:58] <CrazyTux> yes. Was using Windows before.
[18:59] <CrazyTux> that is another long story.
[18:59] <MediocreN> CrazyTux: the OS freezing
[18:59] <MediocreN> im going to assume its on 16.04
[18:59] <MediocreN> and happens during video playback?
[18:59] <MediocreN> because its a pretty common issue
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> MediocreN: he's on 16.10
[18:59] <MediocreN> oh
[18:59] <MediocreN> well if its still happening when chrome is playing video its probably the same bug
[19:00] <CrazyTux> yes sometimes during video playback, sometimes during browsing. And also during login.
[19:00] <CrazyTux> During LOGIN. What could be the problem
[19:02] <wenxs> 5 minutes later, the md5sum finished. yay!
[19:02] <scottjl> wenxs: did they match?
[19:02] <wenxs> yup!
[19:04] <maarhart2> scottjl: didn't work
[19:04] <scottjl> maarhart2: :-( i got nothing left. sorry
[19:08] <anonymous> #nullbyte
[19:15] <wenxs> Any program to run a command at a specified time?
[19:15] <wenxs> (let's say I want to transfer a big file at night while I sleep)
[19:15] <scottjl> wenxs: man at
[19:15] <scottjl> wenxs: man cron
[19:15] <wenxs> I know cron, but I meant something more simple that adding a cron job
[19:15] <scottjl> man at
[19:15] <wenxs> mmm there's no man page
[19:16] <scottjl> man at   - no page?
[19:16] <scottjl> strange
[19:16] <wenxs> (let me install it)
[19:16] <wenxs> I guess it's not installed by default on Ubuntu
[19:16] <Pici> Its only part of the server image.
[19:16] <scottjl> oh
[19:16] <scottjl> lol
[19:17] <scottjl> i haven't used desktop in a while
[19:17] <Pici> Me either
[19:17] <wenxs> Nice :)
[19:17] <scottjl> weird it isn't installed in desktop, but i guess i can understand why
[19:17] <scottjl> save those few k of disk space!
[19:18] <wenxs> i'll write a script to ask scottjl everytime I need a software to do simple tasks using a description
[19:18] <OerHeks> !info gnome-schedule
[19:18] <w9qbj> Desktop, no.  I spread it out all over the floor, more space
[19:19] <scottjl> wenxs: tip, man -k <keyword> will search for man pages with a keyword. apt-cache search <keyword> look for packages with keyword. might be useful.
[19:19] <wenxs> thanks
[19:19] <ducasse> or 'apropos'
[19:19] <scottjl> you're welcome
[19:19] <wenxs> I usually use the apt-cache search option
[19:19] <scottjl> man -k is less keystrokes ;-)
[19:20] <wenxs> I type that automatically
[19:20] <wenxs> it's like "apt install" instead of "apt-get install"
[19:20] <wenxs> i can't avoid typing the "-get"...
[19:20] <geekb4ck_> having trouble getting socat to play nice.  i need to write a string to a unixsocket and get the response back.  I'm trying to use "echo help |socat - UNIX-CONNECT:/app/daemon.sock" but im not getting anything back.  the man page is rather 'complex'.
[19:21] <PanicAtTheKernel> Hey, if I run do-release-upgrade from 15.10 why don't I see 16.04 ?
[19:21] <PanicAtTheKernel> It tells me no new release is found
[19:21] <nacc> !eolupgrade | PanicAtTheKernel
[19:22] <PanicAtTheKernel> nacc: Oh fun fun
[19:22] <PanicAtTheKernel> Thanks
[19:22] <ducasse> PanicAtTheKernel: you need to set 'upgrade to any new version' in software & updates
[19:22] <PanicAtTheKernel> ducasse: I thought I did
[19:22] <nacc> PanicAtTheKernel: next time, keep your system up to date :)
[19:22] <PanicAtTheKernel> nacc: Stupid php7 changes broke stuff
[19:22] <PanicAtTheKernel> So I restored to 15.10 again
[19:22] <PanicAtTheKernel> And now it's too late :PP
[19:23] <nacc> PanicAtTheKernel: <cough> I was the one that did the php7 migration :)
[19:23] <PanicAtTheKernel> -_-
[19:23] <nacc> PanicAtTheKernel: if you would like to clarify what broke, I am happy to help shepherd fixes in
[19:24] <PanicAtTheKernel> I think it was just all kinda of depreciations
[19:24] <nacc> PanicAtTheKernel: so you had some local PHP code that was php5 dependent?
[19:24] <PanicAtTheKernel> Yeah
[19:25] <nacc> PanicAtTheKernel: ah well, not much we can do about that. php5 is still supported on 14.04 for another few years
[19:25] <PanicAtTheKernel> I'm gonna upgrade again now
[19:25] <PanicAtTheKernel> And deal with the changes that need to be made
[19:25] <nacc> PanicAtTheKernel: and plenty of people use ondrej's PPA it seems
[19:25] <PanicAtTheKernel> And maybe commit suicide
[19:25] <nacc> PanicAtTheKernel: probably for the best anyways :)
[19:25] <nacc> well, except that last bit
[19:26] <PanicAtTheKernel> Lol
[19:26] <PanicAtTheKernel> Upgrading now
[19:26]  * PanicAtTheKernel crosses fingers
[19:26] <sh4de> hello
[19:26] <PanicAtTheKernel> I hope the server boots after
[19:26] <PanicAtTheKernel> I don't wanna drive to the datacenter :P
[19:28] <sh4de> PROTON
[19:29] <scottjl> electron
[19:29] <ducasse> neutron!
[19:29] <PanicAtTheKernel> tron
[19:30] <Herbalist> good evening
[19:30] <scottjl> good afternoon
[19:30] <Herbalist> is Ubuntu safe against CIA hacking ?
[19:30] <nacc> !ot | Herbalist
[19:31] <BluesKaj> The CIA uses ubuntu :-)
[19:31] <scottjl> lol
[19:31] <scottjl> yes, but only if you wrap your computer in aluminum foil.
[19:31] <Herbalist> nacc .. it is related, as mentioned in this article: Apple, Samsung, Microsoft: WikiLeaks blows lid on scale of CIA’s hacking arsenal   ---   https://www.rt.com/news/379757-your-whole-life-is-hacked/
[19:31] <nacc> Herbalist: this is the Ubuntu support channel
[19:31] <OerHeks> Herbalist, join #vault7 for that
[19:31] <PanicAtTheKernel> scottjl: Lol
[19:31] <nacc> Herbalist: not the something I read in the news channel
[19:31] <maarhart2> scottjl: I was banned from #mpd after complaining about the arrogance of one of their members...
[19:32] <Herbalist> it's today's news
[19:32] <maarhart2> in any case, they didn't want to help me
[19:32] <scottjl> maarhart2: ouch
[19:32] <nacc> maarhart2: have a better attitude and you will get better help
[19:32] <ducasse> Herbalist: we do support here
[19:32] <Herbalist> "WikiLeaks also alleges that the CIA has developed advanced, multi-platform malware attack and control systems that cover Windows and Mac OS X but also mixed source platforms like Solaris and open source platforms like Linux. Wikileaks names these specific ‘zero days’ as the EDB's ‘HIVE,’ ‘Cutthroat’ and ‘Swindle’ tools."
[19:32] <nacc> Herbalist: again, offtopic
[19:32] <Herbalist> i just want to know
[19:32] <nacc> Herbalist: please take it elsewhere
[19:32] <themagmaforce> is there any easy to use backup tool where i can save a selected number of folders to a samba folder, and then retreive as needed? being able to go back in time is a plus, but biggest problem i find is to do partial restores and backups as my pc has a limited space and i don't use all the data at the same time
[19:32] <OerHeks> Herbalist, stop that please. thanks.
[19:32] <DJones> Herbalist: Is it an Ubuntu support issue? No, please stop
[19:32] <maarhart2> scottjl: believe me, I had a good attitude
[19:33] <maarhart2> I mean, nacc
[19:33] <scottjl> maarhart2: that was nacc, not me.
[19:33] <nacc> maarhart2: complaining about arrogance for a group of people trying to help you doesn't seem great
[19:33] <OerHeks> maarhart2, don't complain here, we do nothing about that.
[19:33] <DJones> Herbalist: Its offtopic, so thats enough of that
[19:33] <Herbalist> any Ubuntu security expert plz .. which zero days are found on Ubuntu ?
[19:33] <maarhart2> nacc: the thing is that they were not trying to help at all
[19:33] <scottjl> Herbalist: does your mom know you're on the internet again?
[19:33] <Herbalist> scott.. iggied
[19:33] <nacc> scottjl: please don't encourage them
[19:33] <OerHeks> Herbalist, go wild on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/
[19:34] <Herbalist> ty oerheks
[19:34] <nacc> maarhart2: consider, that afaict, you're not paying for support from anyone; even here, it's all volunteers. So you need to have a better than normal attitude (imo) to get help.
[19:34] <maarhart2> nacc: yes, I agree and understand
[19:35] <maarhart2> it's just that I don't get it when they make you want to feel as an inferior human being with a basic question, and that they don't have time for that.
[19:35] <Herbalist> thanks, but that page only contains a text box, and does not answer my question
[19:35] <Herbalist> maarhart2.. perhaps they are under stress
[19:36] <maarhart2> Herbalist: could be
[19:36] <bigbadman> hi
[19:36] <bigbadman> hi i want to download the docs here all in one go http://doc.sagemath.org/pdf/en/
[19:36] <ducasse> !security | Herbalist
[19:36] <nacc> maarhart2: as OerHeks said, we can't really help with that -- but the thing is, i think you have to be the more patient one. That's just my experience
[19:36] <Herbalist> they help a lot of ppl with simple questions
[19:36] <bigbadman> do I have to use some file sharing or something nacc to downlaod all the links in that site?
[19:36] <maarhart2> in any case, following my previous question, do I need to run /autogen.sh in order to configure?
[19:36] <maarhart2> thanks nacc
[19:37] <bigbadman> is there a download the sage documenetation link anywhere, will it work, ?
[19:37] <nacc> bigbadman: please don't ping random users
[19:37] <bigbadman> anyone knows
[19:37] <Herbalist> ty ducasse
[19:37] <bigbadman> nacc: no I do know you
[19:37] <bigbadman> but I changed my nick over time
[19:37] <nacc> bigbadman: also this seems rather offtopi for the ubuntu support channel
[19:37] <bigbadman> nacc ok, can you guide me to the appropriate channel?
[19:37] <nacc> bigbadman: ask the sage folks?
[19:37] <nacc> !alis | bigbadman
[19:37] <bigbadman> no one is ther eon their chanenl
[19:38] <nacc> that's not exactly our problem
[19:38] <scottjl> ouch
[19:38] <Pici> bigbadman: you got an answer in #python
[19:38] <bigbadman> I know nacc , but some other more generic  channel for internet download,etc doubts, is there any?
[19:38] <nacc> bigbadman: use alis, as I just directed at you
[19:40] <Menzador> Hello! I just upgraded my Lenovo Thinkpad R500 to Ubuntu 16.10 and now the built-in keyboard won't work. I've already tried a few suggestions, such as adjusting auto-suspend and screwing around with /etc/default/grub , but nothing seems to work...
[19:41] <nacc> Menzador: does it work at grub?
[19:41] <nacc> Menzador: it's pretty rare for a keyboard to not work, imo
[19:42] <Menzador> nacc: Yes, the keyboard works at the GRUB menu, and I can edit stuff there
[19:42] <gabrielAtheos> Hey all! I am trying to write a script that requires sudo privileges at the beginning, but at the end of the script, I need to be running commands as the regular user. How can I return to running commands as the user?
[19:42] <nacc> gabrielAtheos: huh? use sudo for the commands that need it and don't for those that don't?
[19:42] <maarhart2> scottjl: do you have any clues about this autogen question?
[19:42] <scottjl> what question?
[19:43] <nacc> Menzador: do you have an external keyboard you can use? does `dmesg` give any hints?
[19:43] <maarhart2> if not, please suggest me a better channel for asking this
[19:43] <nacc> maarhart2: you typically have to run autogen.sh if a tarball does not ship a generated configure script
[19:43] <ducasse> maarhart2: building software from source is actually outside what is supported here, try ##linux
[19:43] <Menzador> nacc: USB input devices don't work either, I have a Logitech MK360 USB wireless keyboard/mouse combo
[19:43] <maarhart2> ducasse: thanks
[19:43] <nacc> maarhart2: but what ducasse said
[19:44] <scottjl> i think i missed a question somewhere.
[19:44] <nacc> Menzador: strange; did they (all) work in 16.04?
[19:44] <Menzador> nacc: Yes. They all worked in 16.04
[19:45] <nacc> Menzador: i have no idea why that would be off the top of my head, unfortunately. When on 16.04, had you tsted the 16.04.2 hwe stack?
[19:45] <nacc> Menzador: or maybe try it from a live usb, even, of 16.04.2
[19:45] <Menzador> nacc: Yes, I was using the HWE stack
[19:45] <Menzador> It works off Live images
[19:45] <nacc> Menzador: so you were on 4.8 ?
[19:46] <nacc> Menzador: that is very strange
[19:46] <Menzador> Yep, 4.8.0-xx kernwl
[19:46] <nacc> Menzador: i would not expect any software changes to change the hw support for your usb or internal keyboard
[19:47] <nacc> Menzador: beyond the kernel itself
[19:47] <Menzador> nacc: The problem seems to be Ubuntu-specific. All the devices work in Fedora 25
[19:47] <Menzador> (which has 4.9.x)
[19:47] <nacc> Menzador: do things like caps lock or num lock work?
[19:47] <Menzador> nacc: Nope.
[19:47] <ducasse> nacc: what about ebdev/libinput?
[19:47] <gabrielAtheos> nacc: I didn't realize I could run individual commands inside a script as sudo. Thank you.
[19:48] <nacc> ducasse: i suppose that's true, good point
[19:48] <Menzador> ducasse: It must be a libinput issue.
[19:48] <nacc> ducasse: just not familiar with there being regressions like this before
[19:48] <Menzador> Which is odd.
[19:48] <technocf> Hello, it is still possible to submit to the free culture showcase for 17.04 and how?
[19:48] <Menzador> IIRC Fedora uses libinput
[19:48] <ducasse> technocf: ask in #ubuntu+1
[19:48] <technocf> ducasse: Okay
[19:49] <ducasse> Menzador: zesty has switched to libinput as default, i guess you could try that in 16.10
[19:49] <nacc> ducasse: i would be willing to acccept that for the usb keyboard, maybe; but for the internal keyboard to stop working seems very unlikely
[19:49] <nacc> Menzador: so a 16.10 live usb environment, the internal keyboard works?
[19:50] <Menzador> nacc - I'm not sure, I don't have a 16.10 Live image to test
[20:01] <MediocreN> nacc: how would you run individual commands inside of a script as sudo??
[20:01] <ducasse> MediocreN: use sudo in the script
[20:02] <MediocreN> i mean that works, but then i'd have to expect the password prompt too correct?
[20:02] <MediocreN> was hoping it would work without prompts
[20:02] <MediocreN> although that'd be super sketch
[20:03] <ducasse> MediocreN: remember the sudo timeout
[20:03] <ducasse> MediocreN: you can also allow a user to run certain commands without entering a password
[20:04] <MediocreN> how so?
[20:04] <OerHeks> new firefox 52 is available in updates
[20:04] <ducasse> that was quick.
[20:05] <OerHeks> only waiting for zesty .. https://launchpad.net/firefox/+packages
[20:05] <MediocreN> it just from adding their name in visudo?
[20:05] <MediocreN> with the nopasswd option
[20:06] <ducasse> MediocreN: basically. you probably want to restrict it to those commands, though
[20:06] <ducasse> MediocreN: but if this all runs in a few minutes you will only get one password prompt
[20:06] <OerHeks> annoying changenaming all day, crazyed/Guest185
[20:07] <MediocreN> ducasse: shouldnt take more than 30sec tbh
[20:07] <bigbadman> i installed sagemath, but where is the SAGEROOT located? nacc
[20:08] <ducasse> bigbadman: he told you not to ask specific people
[20:09] <bigbadman> oh forgot
[20:09] <bigbadman> ok, where is the docs located on ubuntu for sagemath?
[20:09] <bigbadman> it's not here in /usr/share/docs/sagmath..
[20:10] <OerHeks> bigbadman, pdfs are on http://www.sagemath.org/help.html ?
[20:11] <OerHeks> from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SAGE#Getting_Started_With_Sage
[20:12] <CrazyTux> Do u guys think Mint is a secure OS?
[20:12] <MediocreN> Nothing is secure
[20:12] <scottjl> as long as you wrap your computer in aluminum foil.
[20:12] <OerHeks> CrazyTux, nope, they willl tell you why in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[20:12] <DouglasK> scottjl, I find better security by immersing it in salt water.  I find that no one is able to get into it then.
[20:12] <MediocreN> or from the new wiki-leak files
[20:13] <CrazyTux> there were some security concerns, I think.
[20:13] <scottjl> DouglasK: that's a great idea!
[20:13] <bigbadman> where is SAGEROOT located?
[20:13] <CrazyTux> guys, I am a newbie. Need guidance from u.
[20:14] <scottjl> CrazyTux: do you have information you think the cia is interested in?
[20:14] <bigbadman> OerHeks: where is the SAGEROOT location?
[20:14] <bigbadman> i use ubuntu-upstream-binary-full
[20:14] <OerHeks> bigbadman, sure you can find that in the manuals?
[20:14] <bigbadman> no there is no manual for sage
[20:14] <CrazyTux> yes. I have some highly classified info on my laptop. lol.
[20:15] <Pici> bigbadman: How did you install it?
[20:15] <OerHeks> bigbadman, pdfs are on http://www.sagemath.org/help.html
[20:15] <MediocreN> then its probably secure enough, as long as you dont have any unneccessary ports open
[20:15] <OerHeks> from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SAGE#Getting_Started_With_Sage
[20:15] <elichai2> isn't this a problem with RBF?
[20:15] <elichai2> txNew.nLockTime = chainActive.Height();
[20:15] <Pici> OerHeks: so.. via a PPA
[20:15] <CrazyTux> ok
[20:16] <OerHeks> Pici,  it is in our repos too ..
[20:16] <DouglasK> CrazyTux, the gist of it is this:  No consumer OS is fully secure out of the box.  even air gap security can be at least partly beaten.  The question is how secure you need it.  For example, a system running internet servers generally needs better security than one that will never be online.
[20:16] <elichai2> (making every transaction with locktime and max_int-1)
[20:16] <CrazyTux> ok.
[20:16] <Pici> OerHeks: Not the package that the url lists
[20:16] <MediocreN> Shit, no OS is fully secure entirely imo
[20:16] <MediocreN> even non consumer
[20:17] <MediocreN> most are still using public kernals
[20:17] <scottjl> most people don't have data worth hacking for
[20:17] <MediocreN> ^
[20:17] <MediocreN> truth
[20:17] <MediocreN> come take my reaction gifs!
[20:17] <MediocreN> i dare ya
[20:17] <CrazyTux> I asked it because somebody here said that Mint doesn't apply security patches as diligently as they should be. I don't know what that means and how it affects the end users like me.
[20:17] <mantise> how do i create my partitions for an install, if i want to be able to make a fresh install sometime ? a big /home partition, where i store data that wont be deleted, when i remove and reinstall ubuntu ?
[20:18] <ducasse> CrazyTux: we don't support mint.
[20:18] <OerHeks> !enter | MediocreN
[20:18] <MediocreN> can do.
[20:18] <scottjl> CrazyTux: for an end user like you, mint is still more secure than windows.
[20:18] <CrazyTux> ok
[20:18] <DouglasK> Yup.
[20:18] <Pici> Keep in mind that we don't support Mint here, only Ubuntu.
[20:19] <CrazyTux> btw, I didn't get any solution for that problem. Xubuntu 16.10 freezing randomly
[20:20] <mantise> CrazyTux: fresh install ?
[20:20] <CrazyTux> ok. Only that seems to be the solution.
[20:20] <MediocreN> CrazyTux: what does sudo swapon --show and free -h output?
[20:21] <ducasse> CrazyTux: no, you didn't, because nobody could find anything. it was suggested that you file a bug.
[20:21] <MediocreN> I'm thinking it might have something to do with swap space
[20:21] <CrazyTux> I am on Mint now
[20:21] <MediocreN> oh
[20:21] <ducasse> MediocreN: we've covered just about everything, this is not our first round with him to say the least.
[20:22] <MediocreN> gotcha, no chance alt+sys+F unfreezes
[20:22] <pavlos> CrazyTux, for mint, check !mint which tells you the irc channel to ask questions about mint
[20:22] <OerHeks> MediocreN, CrazyTux is a daily guest, he is playing with you
[20:22] <latino30> have some of this or all been fixed in ubuntu https://tails.boum.org/security/Numerous_security_holes_in_2.10/index.en.html
[20:23] <CrazyTux> No. Because of that problem in Xubuntu, I am compelled to use Mint. Otherwise I prefer Xubuntu or Ubuntu Mate.
[20:23] <CrazyTux> No. I am not here to play. I am just a newbie trying to learn.
[20:24] <morsnowski> CrazyTux, ubuntu mate beats mint. since that distro is official I'm back to ubuntu
[20:25] <MediocreN> latino30: its fixed in tails 2.11, doesnt matter what version of ubuntu your running
[20:26] <CrazyTux> is Mate better and more advanced than Xubuntu?
[20:26] <CrazyTux> I'll reinstall either of them.
[20:26] <MediocreN> but inside of ubuntu im sure they are still open, so probably not ;)
[20:26] <scottjl> shouldn't be, you're just using a different desktop
[20:26] <latino30> MediocreN, I'm asking about the programs that are also used in ubuntu are fixed as well...im not asking about tails itself
[20:27] <scottjl> no reason you can't install mate onto a xbuntu installation and vice versa.
[20:27] <MediocreN> check my 2nd comment, probably not tbh
[20:27] <k1l_> latino30: ubuntu.com/usn and use the CVE search
[20:27] <latino30> MediocreN, k
[20:27] <CrazyTux> ok. Does installing Mate DE on Ubuntu or Xubuntu mean I'll be using Ubuntu Mate"
[20:27] <ducasse> CrazyTux: "is x better than y?" - stop asking that!
[20:27] <CrazyTux> ?
[20:27] <scottjl> CrazyTux: your desktop environment on top of ubuntu is just a program running, you can install multiple environments (just not run them all at once, well usually)
[20:27] <MediocreN> i3 ftw
[20:27] <xiusfist> so im heading to the store to buy a usb drive to install ubuntu for the first time. what size should I get?
[20:28] <CrazyTux> ok. Understood. Won't ask it again.
[20:28] <ducasse> CrazyTux: and stop this constant reinstalling of desktops.
[20:28] <k1l_> latino30: and if its already fixed in debian the chances are high its fixed at ubuntu at the same time since the security team shares work with debian.
[20:28] <scottjl> personally i'm a i3 kinda guy
[20:28] <MediocreN> same
[20:28] <OerHeks> xiusfist, 2 gb will do
[20:28] <ducasse> CrazyTux: if you want to play with it, at least stop wasting our time with it.
[20:28] <latino30> k1l_, nice..so if its not fixed it should be then..thanks
[20:28] <xiusfist> OerHeks: oh cool that's the cheepest one. thanks
[20:28] <morsnowski> OerHeks, OK but would you actually buy a 2gig stick/
[20:28] <latino30> soon i mean
[20:28] <CrazyTux> No. I come here only when I a problem that I need a solution for.
[20:29] <MediocreN> xiusfist: tbh, buy a 4gb+.
[20:29] <k1l_> latino30: if i said: if you are curious, check the CVE tracker
[20:29] <MediocreN> its like an extra dollar and if for some reason you need to make a windows usb, 2gb wont cut it
[20:29] <OerHeks> xiusfist, http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04.2/ >> ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso    1.4G
[20:29] <xiusfist> OerHeks: ok but is that file compressed ?
[20:30] <OerHeks> morsnowski, i use the same 2gb for 6 years now,
[20:30] <OerHeks> xiusfist, no
[20:30] <CrazyTux> Ok. thanks a lot guys. Will try to reinstall it and see if the problem persists.. Bye
[20:30] <k1l_> xiusfist: no. its a iso. its 1:1.
[20:30] <xiusfist> OerHeks: ok cool
[20:31] <OerHeks> xiusfist, the smalles might be 8 gb now, in shops :-(
[20:33] <xiusfist> OerHeks: come to think of it, it might just be cheeper to buy it off of their official website https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1206
[20:33] <MediocreN> i mean
[20:33] <MediocreN> i guess, but why?
[20:33] <OerHeks> xiusfist, you can, it has ubuntu brand on it, nice
[20:34] <MediocreN> Will take you a week to receive rather than 1hr to make your usb stick tho
[20:34] <xiusfist> MediocreN: yeah you are right.
[20:35] <MediocreN> Granted, it goes kinda look badass
[20:37] <morsnowski> OerHeks, yes 6 years ago I wouldn't have asked but does it still make sense to buy 2gig sticks?
[20:37] <scottjl> can you still buy 2g sticks?
[20:37] <morsnowski> but then that is not a useful discussion really
[20:37] <OerHeks> morsnowski, do if you can, for the iso.
[20:39] <morsnowski> OerHeks, I personally abstain from anything less than 32gig.
[20:39] <Mongoose12> Jesus! Those Google picture reCAPTCHA things really piss me off. Anyhow... I'm done with Windows and "want" to move to Ubuntu. In the past, every single time I've tried to install Ubuntu, I've ended up with weird graphical glitches and/or text errors flashing by before I can finally login. Things seem to work, but that has always annoyed me. What am I doing wrong?
[20:39] <bigode> I did save a ubuntu desktop version on a flash drive using unetbootin but when my computer boots it start by hdd still.
[20:39] <bigode> Any idea what is goin on please?
[20:39] <ducasse> !nomodeset | Mongoose12 maybe this
[20:40] <scottjl> is your hdd higher priority in your bios?
[20:40] <Mongoose12> ducasse: Hmm. Let me read.
[20:40] <bigode> scottjl: no. First is USB-FDD
[20:40] <ducasse> Mongoose12: note: that was a *wild* guess.
[20:41] <bigode> scottjl: then it comes DVD and then HDD
[20:41] <Mongoose12> ducasse: And a 7yo thread. :P
[20:41] <ducasse> Mongoose12: info is still much the same today
[20:41] <morsnowski> Mongoose12, once you know what HW has been used for your computer you can check whether it is compatible. I have an laptop that requires me to manually screw with the wifi settings to make it work
[20:42] <Mongoose12> Oh, God. My skin is already itching and I haven't even started.
[20:42] <Mongoose12> Why do I torture myself with computers?
[20:42] <morsnowski> buy a mac
[20:42] <pavlos> bigode, possibly the usb needs to be re-written ...
[20:42] <ducasse> Mongoose12: get an ipad instead :-P
[20:42] <Mongoose12> morsnowski: How would that help?
[20:43] <Mongoose12> ducasse: Complete surveillance.
[20:43] <morsnowski> that comes fully working with all you can ask for out of the box
[20:43] <bigode> pavlos: what do you mean?
[20:43] <Mongoose12> morsnowski: Complete surveillance.
[20:43] <xiusfist> morsnowski: so wait do you mean that there is actualy something physicaly wrong with your wifi card? because I have a story for you then
[20:44] <bigode> pavlos: I did it twice already, first time on a Mac and after at Windows.
[20:44] <morsnowski> well then stop whining, every choice has it trade offs
[20:44] <k1l_> Mongoose12: some video cards need special treatment. that is for most brand new cards or very very old cards.
[20:44] <morsnowski> xiusfist, no it's just the drivers are not part of the standard distro
[20:44] <pavlos> bigode, you installed an iso using uunetbootin or disk creator, right?
[20:44] <Mongoose12> "Whining"? I wouldn't call complete surveillance a "trade off". Haha.
[20:44] <bigode> pavlos: I even used F12 to choose the boot device by hand.
[20:45] <Mongoose12> k1l_: I understand. GTX 970 right now.
[20:45] <xiusfist> Mongoose12: oh well thats not that bad then, i acutaly had a broken wifi card that would jam my entire network when I would turn it on.
[20:45] <bigode> pavlos: yes, I did installed from a .iso version using unetbootin
[20:45] <morsnowski> Mongoose12, I think "Mongoose12> Why do I torture myself with computers?" qualifies
[20:45] <k1l_> Mongoose12: that might need nomodeset on install and first boot. but after installing the nvidia driver from ubuntu that should work right
[20:45] <bigode> pavlos: disk creator ? Is it good?
[20:45] <xiusfist> Mongoose12: which come to think of it is most likely a fcc violation
[20:45] <k1l_> !nomodeset | Mongoose12
[20:46] <Mongoose12> xiusfist: I think you're trying to highlight the wrong person.
[20:46] <pavlos> bigode, just another program to write iso ...
[20:46] <Mongoose12> k1l_: Thanks. Someone else mentioned the same thing earlier.
[20:46] <bigode> pavlos: alright, so the problem couldn't be unetbootin
[20:46] <morsnowski> the recent distros have the novoeu driver so the GTX should work out of the box
[20:46] <k1l_> Mongoose12: that is the issue with nvidia doing its private thing with closed source drivers. so it takes some time until the kernel can work out of the box in a good state with that.
[20:47] <pavlos> bigode, some ppl had issues with unet so they tried disk creator
[20:47] <ducasse> bigode: or just use dd and get it done right
[20:47] <bigode> ducasse: what is dd ?
[20:47] <morsnowski> dd is the best tool ever
[20:47] <MediocreN> disk dump utility
[20:47] <k1l_> morsnowski: most new nvidia cards do need nomodeset and the ubuntu-nvidia install to work properly. that goes for the new 900 and 1000 cards.
[20:48] <MediocreN> you will learn to love it.
[20:48] <morsnowski> there isn't much you can't do with it
[20:48] <Mongoose12> k1l_: Makes sense. Should I start reading now or after sleeping? Hehe. Like delaying a dentist appointment.
[20:48] <ducasse> bigode: dd is too dumb to do it wrong :)
[20:48] <MediocreN> dd if=path/to/file of=path/to/directory
[20:48] <MediocreN> it does the rest
[20:48] <bigode> ducasse: can I use dd on windows/mac?
[20:48] <k1l_> Mongoose12: well, you need that howto when you want to install ubuntu. when you do that is your decision :)
[20:49] <ducasse> bigode: mac, i would think so.
[20:49] <scottjl> bigode: mac os x, yes
[20:49] <MediocreN> there is also a way to get a progress report, but i have to look it up everytime so meh
[20:49] <morsnowski> k1l_, I have a GTX 950M and that works under 16.04 out of the box
[20:49] <pavlos> bigode, there are windows programs that write images, dd is a linux pgm
[20:49] <Mongoose12> k1l_: The procedure is still the same in 2017? The thread is from 2010.
[20:49] <scottjl> dd is a unix program, not specific to linux.
[20:50] <k1l_> Mongoose12: yes. its worth a try without that nomodeset in use. but you will see if you only get a black screen and need it or if it works :)
[20:50] <bigode> ducasse: I need to mount the ubuntu.iso to use dd?
[20:50] <ducasse> bigode: no, don't mount it
[20:50] <Mongoose12> k1l_: Alright. Thanks.
[20:50] <k1l_> morsnowski: i am quite sure i heard from issues still in here with 970 cards
[20:50] <bigode> ducasse: but then it gonna sabe a iso into the boot
[20:50] <scottjl> MediocreN: you mean pv?
[20:50] <bigode> s/sabe/save
[20:51] <Mongoose12> ducasse: k1l_: Time for me to leave. Thanks for helping. Adios.
[20:51] <scottjl> MediocreN: dd if=/whatever | pv | dd of=/whatever
[20:51] <ducasse> bigode: yes, it will write the iso to the usb, block by block
[20:51] <k1l_> Mongoose12: good luck
[20:51] <anddam> I added    /nfs /etc/auto.nfs    to my /etc/auto.master and in auto.nfs     backup -fstype=nfs4 myserver.local:/
[20:51] <morsnowski> k1l_, well don't know. I had issue with the wifi driver but video worked great. the touchpad was a little dodgy at first
[20:51] <MediocreN> scottjl: wtf dude... that works...
[20:51] <bigode> let me test it.
[20:51] <scottjl> MediocreN: :-)
[20:51] <MediocreN> i was doing it a different way from a hack i found on some forum lol
[20:51] <ducasse> bigode: be careful where you write to
[20:52] <anddam> I see autofs service is running, but /nfs is empty, mount returns      /etc/auto.nfs on /nfs type autofs (rw,relatime,fd=6,pgrp=21073,timeout=300,minproto=5,maxproto=5,indirect)
[20:52] <anddam> how can I check what's wrong?
[20:52] <MediocreN> the kill -USR1 $(pgrep ^dd)
[20:52] <mcphail> MediocreN: try passing the "status=progress" flag
[20:53] <anddam> oh, nvm, the directory is wrong
[20:53] <scottjl> MediocreN: yeah. that sucks.
[20:53] <bigode> ducasse: but the contents it shows into the flash drive after unebootin is the iso inside files, not 1 .iso file.
[20:53] <MediocreN> scottjl: it absolutely does. ty man, hadn't seen this previously
[20:53] <scottjl> MediocreN: np. pv has a few nice switches too.
[20:53] <ducasse> bigode: you will see the contents of the iso, yes
[20:54] <alexxio> hi, i have a new 64gb microsd card that is not readable from my dbpower5000 camera, maybe because it's too big :( is there a way to change its properties in the way that it is recognized as a 32 gb card?
[20:54] <bigode> ducasse: do I need any special paramether on dd command?
[20:54] <bigode> ducasse: and the flash driver need to be formated in any special format?
[20:54] <ducasse> bigode: dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdwhatever bs=4M
[20:54] <mcphail> alexxio: sounds as if you're trying to read an sdxc card on an adhc device. That isn't going to work
[20:54] <ducasse> bigode: no format
[20:55] <ducasse> bigode: the iso contains a filesystem
[20:55] <mcphail> *sdhc
[20:55] <ducasse> bigode: http://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal#377561
[20:56] <bigode>  ducasse dd: bs: illegal numeric value when used bs=4M
[21:00] <ducasse> bigode: works here. which ubuntu is this?
[21:01] <bigode> ducasse: ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:01] <anddam> no, checking the proper mount line didn't help, any hint about NFS setting is welcome
[21:01] <scottjl> i think he meant what OS are you running right now bigode
[21:01] <bigode> ducasse: I think  I got it. Lets see..
[21:01] <ducasse> bigode: no, that you're running dd on
[21:01] <bigode> ducasse: MacOS
[21:01] <scottjl> yeah mac doesn't take 4M
[21:01] <ducasse> bigode: 4m then
[21:02] <scottjl> use bs=512
[21:02] <anddam> BSD dd
[21:02] <bigode> I did use 4m
[21:02] <bigode> instead of 4M
[21:02] <bigode> and its working..
[21:02] <bigode> lets see
[21:05] <anddam> here's my info https://gist.github.com/anddam/181bcae70288d319dc1ace4ed6964080
[21:06] <bray90820> So my ubuntu home server running samba randomly disconnects all the time and I can't can't reconnect to it until i restart the computer
[21:06] <bigode> bray90820: maybe its a security system where it turns off after a while of no use
[21:07] <bigode> ducasse: dd takes a lifetime
[21:07] <morsnowski> bray90820, what do the log files say?
[21:07] <bray90820> bigode: I runs an automated backup every 59 minutes so i don't think that's the case
[21:07] <scottjl> is just samba disabled or all networking?
[21:08] <ducasse> bray90820: restarted samba?
[21:08] <bray90820> ducasse: When it dies I restart the entire computer
[21:09] <ducasse> bray90820: try restarting just samba.
[21:09] <bray90820> Not 100% sure but when samba dies I think it's still accessible through teamviewer
[21:09] <bray90820> Next time it does I will try restarting just samba
[21:10] <bray90820> *Dies
[21:10] <morsnowski> and how is that going to help the second next time?
[21:10] <ducasse> bray90820: if that helps, that means the problem is probably isolated to samba, which is useful info.
[21:10] <ducasse> morsnowski: ^^
[21:11] <morsnowski> why don't you check the logs?
[21:11] <Antares> Happy international women's day !!!
[21:11] <morsnowski> restarting smb is fixing a sympthom
[21:15] <bray90820> I just checked and my backups done via SSH did complete
[21:16] <tangled_z> hi! i  have a weird error where a recent ubuntu install does not boot due to some sort of nvidia driver problem.
[21:16] <scottjl> bray90820: have you checked you samba logs to see if there are any errors in there?
[21:16] <tangled_z> booting normally gives me two errors, "ASPM: could not configure common clock" and "A TPM error (7) has occurred attemtping to read a pcr value"
[21:16] <ducasse> bray90820: which ubuntu version is this?
[21:17] <bray90820> Latest LTS which I think is 16.04
[21:17] <bray90820> But where would I find the samba logs?
[21:17] <tangled_z> and booting through recovery with "nomodeset" in grub makes it hang at "running /scripts/local-premount"
[21:17] <tangled_z> any suggestions? :S
[21:17] <tangled_z> It seems that I need to reinstall the nvidia drivers but I can't even get a shell prompt going.
[21:18] <morsnowski> tangled_z, can you log into a console and try startx
[21:18] <OerHeks> no startx please... that is the old gdm way
[21:18] <morsnowski> see what other errors it's throwing or jump into the logs to see what the last entry is
[21:18] <tangled_z> morsnowski: I can't even boot at the moment.
[21:18] <ducasse> bray90820: see under 'persistent logging' here how to turn that on - http://askubuntu.com/questions/763638/no-more-boot-logging-since-16-04#765320
[21:18] <scottjl> bray90820: /var/log/samba
[21:19] <tangled_z> morsnowski: unless there's a different way to boot? Maybe some grub setting that would switch off nvidia entirely and just use the most basic text mode?
[21:19] <tangled_z> I assume such a thing exists but don't know enough about grub
[21:20] <jq> Ok I'm really close to commiting suicide
[21:21] <jq> Why can't I write to mysql db after upgrading to 16.04
[21:21] <jq> -_
[21:21] <OerHeks> jq, did you see the releasenotes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#MySQL_5.7
[21:21] <ash_workz> my parallel command doesn't understand `-0` or `--null`. There are clearly a lot of differences between my parallel command and https://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/man.html. How can I definitively tell what rendition of software I have as compared with online documenation?
[21:22] <ash_workz> documentation*
[21:22] <MediocreN> jq:
[21:22] <jq> I can read from the DB, I just can't write
[21:22] <jq> I'm so confused
[21:22] <toothe> jguillen: what's wrong?
[21:22] <toothe> err, jg
[21:22] <morsnowski> tangled_z, yes there are plenty guides it depends a little on what verion of grub you have
[21:22] <toothe> DB screwed up?
[21:22] <MediocreN> backup your .cnf file in /etc/mysql then remove the /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/ folder
[21:23] <MediocreN> do a fine / -f "my.cnf" to make sure you dont have another
[21:23] <tangled_z> morsnowski: im guessing the latest? I'm running ubuntu 16.04
[21:23] <MediocreN> find*. Then backup your debian.cnf files
[21:23] <jq> Ughhhh you really think it's the db?
[21:23] <MediocreN> i had this issue
[21:23] <jq> Shit
[21:23] <jq> I mean poop
[21:23] <jq> Sorry
[21:23] <tangled_z> morsnowski: oh it says 2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.7
[21:23] <MediocreN> after backing up and removing the .cnf files, then purge and re-install mysql server
[21:23] <MediocreN> throw the .cnf files back in
[21:23] <MediocreN> restart service
[21:24] <Bashing-om> jq: Have you seen : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bug/1571865 ?
[21:24] <morsnowski> OK you have access to the internet so pick your favorite how-to, just look for 16.04 boot text mode
[21:26] <jamescarr> did htop get removed from Trusty LTS?
[21:26] <jamescarr> seeing this while attempting to install this am
[21:26] <jamescarr> "No package matching 'htop' is available"
[21:27] <Ben64> jamescarr: no
[21:27] <tangled_z> morsnowski: thanks! Ok so i found one saying to add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" to the linux line in grub, and i tried that, and nothing changed. :/' Any ideas?
[21:29] <OerHeks> !info htop trusty
[21:29] <OerHeks> jamescarr, make sure you have universe enabled
[21:30] <tangled_z> morsnowski: Ok I tried to run a few other modifications to the grub as per this thread at none of them progressed: http://superuser.com/questions/1106174/boot-ubuntu-16-04-into-command-line-do-not-start-gui
[21:30] <tangled_z> I am running out of ideas here :/ Is my system totally messed up?
[21:31] <{alexanderrr> hi
[21:32] <{alexanderrr>  i want a little help... how to open /mnt/config/login.cgi  i use putty on telnet
[21:32] <OerHeks> {alexanderrr, i read you too in #debian, what makes you think your password is in there?
[21:33] <jq> MediocreN: Didn't seem to fix it for me :/
 it must be there i know the password but i just want to see if is listed there
[21:35] <jancoow> Hi. Wanna set up dnsmaq for a dhcp server on a specific interface. However, when I set interface=enp3s7f0 and trying to start the deamon, I get an error that enp3s7f0 is not a known interface. Why is this?
[21:35] <jancoow> I can see it when I do ifconfig -a
[21:36] <pavlos> tangled_z, did you update-grub after making the changes?
[21:36] <JuJUBee> I have windows 10 installed in efi mode and want to install ubuntu.  Where do I select for the boot loader? and do I slecect the efi partition during the install?
[21:37] <hydd> efi partition is not a thing.
[21:37] <tangled_z> pavlos: Oh, I edited it by pressing 'e' when choosing boot options and getting the grub-editing window and then pressing Ctrl+X
[21:37] <hydd> proceed from that bit of knowledge.
[21:38] <pavlos> tangled_z, ok, nevermind
[21:38] <bigode> first try failed. I did use of=disk3s1 instead of of=dick3
[21:38] <tangled_z> pavlos: is that not the right way to do it?
[21:38] <JuJUBee> hydd, what do you mean?  I can see a partition for the windows boot loader and the type is efi
[21:39] <hydd> JuJUBee, no, you don't.
[21:39] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: A fresh install ? such that the copy to the install mediuum needs checking ?
[21:39] <JuJUBee> hydd, yes, I do...
[21:39] <pavlos> tangled_z, if you modify during boot, no need for grub-update. If you modify /etc/default/grub, then grub-update is needed
[21:39] <Pici> p/25
[21:40] <hydd> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_system_partition
[21:40] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: It worked earlier! There was some issue with the nvidia driver after I installed it and I had to run it through nomodeset. Then I did not reboot it for a few days until I left it on battery mode, and the machine went into suspend. It's not been able to switch on since then
[21:40] <tangled_z> pavlos: I thought so! Thanks for the clarification.
[21:41] <pavlos> tangled_z, np
[21:41] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: so ever since the suspend it's not been booting back up. I assume that whatever issue it had with the nvidia driver returned.
[21:41] <hydd> you don't want to run Ubuntu. it's not user friendly.
[21:41] <hydd> we've been hearing that Linux is ready for desktop for decades. it's not.
[21:42] <OerHeks> fud
[21:42] <JuJUBee> hydd, why would you say that?
[21:42] <hydd> JuJUBee: experience.
[21:42] <JuJUBee> hydd, so you are in the ubuntu channel telling people to NOT use ubuntu... Strange
[21:42] <OerHeks> hydd, we all believe you .. not
[21:42] <tangled_z> Ok I managed to get rid off one of the errors by adding "pcie_aspm=off" to grub, but I'm still getting the "A TPM error(7) ocurred)
[21:43] <hydd> JuJUBee, absolutely, yes.
[21:43] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Were me I would verify that the file system is consistent - fsck from a liveDVD - Then see about booting the install manually from a grub prompt .
[21:43] <hima> hi there
[21:43] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: what do you mean by booting the install manually from the grub prompt?
[21:43] <hydd> JuJUBee, you don't want to run linux anymore than you want to run MaxOX.
[21:43] <MediocreN> hydd: what would you recommend then?
[21:43] <hima> how i can stop the screen reader in ubuntu mate
[21:44] <OerHeks> hydd,  now go play in #ubuntu-offtopic please, keep this channel clear for support, thanks.
[21:44] <MediocreN> because idk what you would use
[21:44] <JuJUBee> hydd, I have been using *buntu for 12 years and have been quite satisfied.  I do not claim to be any kind of expert...
[21:44] <hydd> MediocreN, a current build of Windows.
[21:44] <MediocreN> lol
[21:44] <MediocreN> lmao dude
[21:44] <OerHeks> guys don't feed the troll
[21:44] <MediocreN> hahaha that actually made me laugh
[21:44] <jamescarr> oh yeah, needed to update cache
[21:44] <sintre> you might have had a slight copy error in building the iso
[21:45] <MediocreN> doesn't happen often, but that was actually fantastic
[21:45] <sintre> i suggest redowloading and using new media
[21:45] <jq> This keeps getting weirder and weirder
[21:45] <jq> I can update read and update the db
[21:45] <jq> Just can't insert
[21:45] <jq> -_-
[21:45] <MediocreN> jq: after the purge/reinstall?
[21:45] <hydd> No windows manager comes close.
[21:45] <jq> MediocreN: Yep
[21:45] <CrimsonSunrise> I'm having an issue with Steam on Ubuntu 16.04.2. Steam will install and update, but opening will not draw the window on the screen. The only way to close Steam is to kill the process.
[21:46] <hydd> you're receiving answer from its contributors, at best.
[21:46] <JuJUBee> I have windows 10 installed in efi mode and want to install ubuntu.  Where do I select for the boot loader?
[21:46] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Insted of relying on the boot config file; tell grub direct what to do - from that grub prompt . Just my boot troubleshooting proceedure . One then sees the boot messages in context with what the kernel is doing . Only a thought .
[21:46] <hydd> rather obviously, Windows 10 is the ultimate in that end-user dynamic.
[21:47] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: oh, you mean by going into the grub console?
[21:47] <OerHeks> hydd, now stop it.
[21:47] <sintre> JuJUBee > the installer should auto magick and select install side by side
[21:47] <MediocreN> hydd: you obviously have not had to manage an exchange server or anything windows server related >.>
[21:47] <nicomachus> he's gone
[21:48] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: I've not done boot trouble shooting before. My previous problems were always able to be fixed by at least using the terminal
[21:48] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Yeah, once you pass a file system check . From grub one can do what the boot config file directs .
[21:48] <JuJUBee> sintre, the installer loaded as usual from any other install and I am at the partitioning window creating my partitions.
[21:48] <pavlos> jancoow, can you post the /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[21:48] <MediocreN> jq: you inserting these into mysql from php?
[21:48] <jq> MediocreN: Yeah, I tried php 5.6, 7.0 and 7.1
[21:48] <jq> All have the ame issue
[21:48] <MediocreN> whats your exact insert statement?
[21:48] <sintre> JuJUBee > then select how much space to allot and continue :)
[21:49] <jq> MediocreN: Same as it was before the upgrade lol
[21:49] <dannyLopez> I have this: */5 ** * *damunozrsync -avzb --inplace --delete "/media/damunoz/Nuevo vol/ISOs/" "/media/damunoz/Nuevo vol/Backup" in /etc/crontab but not wors, any body knows why?
[21:49] <JuJUBee> sintre, do I select /dev/sda like I have in the past?
[21:49] <MediocreN> jq: still, if you could post a SS it might shed some light on it
[21:50] <mmercer> lo folks -- is there a way of setting a proxy for firefox that does NOT set the http_proxy and ftp_proxy system variables?
[21:50] <mmercer> setting proxy config options in firefox seems to set them globally, which is not proper behavior, if i wanted them globally, id define them as system proxy settings
[21:50] <CrimsonSunrise> Is there any solution for my issue?
[21:51] <sintre> JuJUBee  are you tying to manualy make your partions
[21:51] <OerHeks> CrimsonSunrise, did you install videodrivers?
[21:51] <jq> MediocreN: $writeToDatabase = mysqli_query($link, "INSERT INTO images (r_name, f_name, ext, ip, views, user, fs, album, platform)
[21:51] <jq>             VALUES ('".$rname."', '".$fname."', '".$ext."', '".$ip."', '0', '".$user."', '".$filesize."', '".$album."', '".$os."')");
[21:51] <sintre> or starting with a clean install
[21:51] <tangled_z> I have a linux mint live-cd, is there any way to use it to add/remove programs on my main installation? I'd like to try to update the drivers from the live-cd if I can
[21:52] <CrimsonSunrise> OerHeks, Not sure what you mean. Aren't the video drivers a dependency of Steam?
[21:52] <OerHeks> tangled_z, if your install is mint too, you can, but we don' t support mint
[21:52] <OerHeks> CrimsonSunrise, no, there is a driver tool in ubuntu itself, open dash and type driver
[21:52] <tangled_z> OerHeks: No, my install is ubuntu, but I used a minimal USB for it so it doesn't have a live-boot option. Mint was the only other live-cd that I have
[21:53] <tangled_z> OerHeks: so if I make a new ubuntu live-cd i'll be able to update my driver through that?
[21:53] <zepto88> anyone has a good tutorial for installing ubuntu minimal to an usb
[21:53] <EriC^^> tangled_z: you can, by chrooting into the ubuntu install
[21:53] <bigode> Don't I need a ubuntu live version in order to make a bootable flash drive?
[21:53] <Pici> dannyLopez: is that exactly what your crontab says?
[21:53] <OerHeks> tangled_z, i would make a fres ubuntu usb, but your driver problem, how did you install nvida?
[21:53] <sintre> no you need the iso bigode
[21:54] <sintre> then other os's and programs can make the bootable live media
[21:54] <MediocreN> mm jq it seems correct... try add an if (false[21:54] <MediocreN> have it send out the error if it fails
[21:54] <CrimsonSunrise> OerHeks, Done that. No video drivers show in Additional Drivers.
[21:54] <jq> MediocreN: True true lemme see
[21:54] <bigode> which format it should be formated the flash drive?
[21:54] <MediocreN> err
[21:54] <dannyLopez> Pici: Yes.
[21:55] <OerHeks> sintre, you can on windows or max os, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[21:55] <JuJUBee> sintre, yes, manually partition so I can have /, /home & swap in addition to other win parts.
[21:55] <tangled_z> EriC^^: you mean chrooting through the ubuntu live-usb or the mint live-usb?
[21:55] <EriC^^> tangled_z: through the mint live usb
[21:55] <OerHeks> CrimsonSunrise, oke, what videocard do you have? open terminal: lspci | grep VGA
[21:55] <Pici> dannyLopez: Well, you have a bunch of missing spaces. It should start with: */5 * * * * damunoz rsync -avzb --inplace --delete
[21:56] <sintre> OerHeks i just just freakin said that
[21:56] <CrimsonSunrise> OerHeks, ATI Radeon HD5450. 1GB PCIe version.
[21:56] <tangled_z> OerHeks: Erm, the original driver problem was resolved by running through nomodeset and then installing the appropriate driver. It worked for that session, but after reboot, stopped working entirely.
[21:56] <Pici> dannyLopez: you may need to restart crontab after modifying the file.  Personally I prefer putting things into my user's crontab, i.e.: crontab -e
[21:56] <JuJUBee> sintre, you were correct, I went back and re-ran the installer and it did select side by side.  I am just used to selecting "something else"
[21:56] <tangled_z> EriC^^: Oh, thanks! will try that
[21:56] <dannyLopez> http://pastebin.com/bhgeHyKv
[21:56] <sintre> JuJUBee glad it worked for you
[21:57]  * sintre is now reminded why he doesn't help in troll channels
[21:57] <EriC^^> tangled_z: how did you add nomodeset? the grub menu? cause that's a one time modification
[21:57] <dannyLopez> I no use spaces, I use tab
[21:57] <jq> MediocreN: OHHHHHHH
[21:57] <jq> "field nname doesn't have a default value"
[21:57] <Pici> dannyLopez: you need another newline after the last line in that file.
[21:57] <jq> I got it from here MediocreN
[21:57] <MediocreN> ;D
[21:57] <jq> Lol
[21:57] <MediocreN> well good luck man
[21:57] <jq> Just gotta go setting default values for everything
[21:58] <jq> Stupid mysql upgrade
[21:58] <dannyLopez> Pici: What line?
[21:58] <OerHeks> CrimsonSunrise, that should work, no clue what is wrong :-(
[21:58] <Pici> dannyLopez: the last line.
[21:58] <jq> MediocreN: Thanks for the support :P
[21:58] <dannyLopez> Dont understand
[21:58] <Pici> dannyLopez: or use crontab -e  as your user and it will take care of all of the formatting things for you.
[21:58] <CrimsonSunrise> OerHeks, What happens is that you open Steam, it shows up on the taskbar, but the window doesn't draw on the screen.
[21:59] <tangled_z> EriC^^: Yeah I did! And I tried adding nomodeset again through the grub menu but it's not working anymore, with or without it
[21:59] <tangled_z> EriC^^: though I have a slight suspicion that I may have needed to add more than just nomodeset but I can't remember the guide I used for fixing that problem.
[22:00] <MediocreN> jq: any time man, sorry to send you down that first path w/o checking its error XD, assumed you had the same issue i did
[22:00] <jq> MediocreN: I thought I did too :P
[22:02] <Zythyr_> Need help. I am a noob as bash scripting. I wrote this script to take an agurment directory and convert all .svg files to .png file. However this script doesn't work when the .svg file name has spaces in it. Please help. http://pastebin.com/zTDatUnC
[22:02] <CrimsonSunrise> Eh...How many distros will I have to try until I find one that runs Steam...
[22:02] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: fdisk says the disk is clean :(
[22:03] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: that is the wrong solving solution to blindly reinstall
[22:03] <akik> Zythyr_: use " around variables
[22:03] <MediocreN> ^ will work
[22:04] <MediocreN> akik: looks like that worked lol
[22:04] <hima> i have a problem with speech dispatcher
[22:04] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: ' sudo e2fsck -C0 -p -f -v /dev/sda1 ' ? where sda1 is to be the target .
[22:04] <hima> how to solve?
[22:04] <MediocreN> hima: whats your actual issue?
[22:04] <hima> on ubuntu mate
[22:05] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: ^^ that from a liveDVD(USB) !
[22:05] <hima> i turned the screen narrator
[22:05] <hima> on
[22:05] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_, No one seems to know why this happens on my machine. The last time I tried to solve it (when I was using Solus), even one of the creators of the distro couldn't help me.
[22:05] <Zythyr_> akik I updated script but still not working: http://pastebin.com/zKuAZrhj
[22:06] <hima> system tell there is internal error
[22:06] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: we cant support other linux distributions in here.
[22:07] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_, I don't recall ever asking for help on another distro so much as talking about the issue I'm having.
[22:07] <elisa871> hi do you know why am I banned from bash?
[22:07] <elisa871> :/
[22:07] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ran the command, it outputed that there's 0 bad blocks
[22:07] <OerHeks> elisa871, not an ubuntu problem, try #freenode
[22:07] <tangled_z> among other things, but no errors
[22:08] <MediocreN> hima: hima umm, do you happen to have that exact error output, also what happens to make it throw the error
[22:08] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: ok let me try it this way: please ask specific ubuntu questions with giving details in here and people will try to help.
[22:08] <hima> it throws by it self , i think after turning the screen speaker
[22:08] <hima> orca
[22:08] <hima> should i uninstall it and see?
[22:09] <elisa871> so when I do $ awk -F"," '$9 > 100 && $9 < 1000 && $11 = "False"' ExportData_followers_reddit_1702003595_10.csv > reddit_new.csv  in the reddit_new.csv file, commas are dropped, what is that and how can I solve this?
[22:09] <MediocreN> hima: do you actually use it?
[22:09] <hima> actually , no
[22:09] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_, using 16.04.2. Steam installs and updates normally, when you open it, it shows on the task bar, but no window is drawn on the screen and the only way to close it once it's open is to kill the process. This is the issue I'm having.
[22:09] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Or was that an auto-fix? Was it supposed to output something specific? Besides a lot of info about my partitioon
[22:09] <hima> i turned it on by mistake
[22:09] <MediocreN> hima: just sudo apt-get remove gnome-orca
[22:09] <MediocreN> killall orca
[22:09] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Good deal . see now what results when booting from grub > . Show us the partitioning . Pastebin 'sudo fdisk -lu ' .
[22:10] <MediocreN> should be good to go after :)
[22:10] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ok! rebooting now
[22:10] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: is an auto fix - if it is simple .
[22:11] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: did you wait some time? do you have multimonitor setup? what happens when you start steam from a terminal and see the messages there?
[22:11] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh! rebooting now.
[22:12] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ok... booting from grub gives the same errors as before :/
[22:12] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: will reboot into the live-cd and pastebin the partition table
[22:13] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[22:13] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: :( .. Then next I would try and boot from grub ? . show us the 'sudo fdisk -lu ' so we know what we are working with ( my EFI skills are weak !) .
[22:14] <hima> i did remove , i am waiting to restart
[22:14] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_, this issue is exactly the same as other distros I tried to install Steam on, exact behavior and everything, so waiting will not solve it. I only have a single monitor running. No errors seem to appear when running the command normally, though.
[22:14] <hima> i think it degrade  ubuntu performance
[22:14] <elisa871> please have a look at my comment here http://askubuntu.com/a/890367/165324
[22:15] <elisa871>       	     		                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     so in the output, commas are  dropped, how can I maintain them in the awk -F"," '$9 > 1
[22:15] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: running it from terminal is to let it output possible errors there.  and steam will outout _a lot_ there to be honest
[22:16] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_: No errors show up. Only says that's running and that Steam Runtime is enabled automatically.
[22:17] <dansanta> is it true that I can't change X_[] buttons on the right of the window?
[22:17] <OerHeks> dansanta, yes, it is hardcoded.
[22:18] <k1l_> dansanta: yes, not possible on unity.
[22:18] <dansanta> I tought so.
[22:18] <dansanta> thanks anyways.
[22:18] <OerHeks> only chrome-browser has that setting.
[22:19] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: did you use a fresh install or did you reuse your home folder or data from home folder?
[22:19] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_: Fresh install.
[22:20] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: and i ask one last time to see the output of the terminal run in a pastebin service.
[22:20] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: because without providing details i can only tell: steam works on ubuntu
[22:20] <bruno> Hey...
[22:20] <hima> after uninstall gnome-orca
[22:20] <hima> my network cards had gone
[22:20] <CrimsonSunrise> Seems normal..Except for "Refresh rate: 1" constantly being printed.
[22:21] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: ok, since you want to hide details i cant help you any better.
[22:21] <Guest227> I got some problem.. to program in C... using pow and sqrt dont recognice me the math.h .. someone can help me?..
[22:21] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ok here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/DVwtqp0z
[22:21] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: will boot from grub now
[22:22] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_, How do I send console output stright to the pasting service? I tried ">" to a file, but it passed no console output.
[22:23] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: you could just plain copy it with the mouse to paste.ubuntu.com . or use "steam | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:26] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: swap set as the booting partition is a new one on me ,, lemme see what EriC^^ thinks .
[22:26] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_, http://termbin.com/xm95 This is what goes to the thing. However, if I don't pipe it... http://paste.ubuntu.com/24133269/
[22:26] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh is that set as the booting partition? I thought that my boot partition was the same as my root partition which is sda5
[22:26] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: http://pastebin.com/DVwtqp0z ; huh ? ^^
[22:27] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh huh, you're right :S
[22:27] <MediocreN> hima: do a lshw -C network
[22:27] <MediocreN> see whats under the *-network section
[22:27] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: wait, could it have been set as the boot because it was loading from suspension?
[22:28] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Well yes . I also expect the '*' (boot) to be set on the partition that contains root .
[22:28] <MediocreN> hima: does it have a Wireless section?
[22:28] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: hmm, I *thought* I did that during installation. It was booting to sda5 without problem initially
[22:28] <MediocreN> if so, your cards are still recognized, and i assume you just need a sudo service network-manager restart
[22:28] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: there is nothing after that refresh rate 1?
[22:29] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_: Nope. It just keeps printing refresh rate 1 over and over.
[22:29] <k1l_> for how long?
[22:29] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Nothing says we can not gop ahead and see what results booting manually . from the grub meny press the 'c' key for command line mode.
[22:31] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ok, just tried to do the manual boot now actually
[22:31] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: It's.... stuck at the same "running /scripts/local-premount" point as before :S
[22:31] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_: Probably until the heat death of the universe.
[22:31] <MediocreN> CrimsonSunrise: how can we reverse entropy?
[22:32] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: assuming that I did that right.
[22:32] <bigMouthCommie> how do i run emacs in daemon mode, then launch a new emacs client by opening files in nautilus?? currently, it simply opens a full version of emacs and starts whining about conflicts with the desktop file
[22:33] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_: It seems to stop at the number that's on paste.ubuntu
[22:33] <MediocreN> bigMouthCommie: you run it just by running emacs --daemon
[22:33] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: ' set prefix=(hd0,msdos5)/boot/grub ; set root=(hd0,msdos5) ; insmod linux ; linux (hd0,msdos1)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ro ; initrd (hd0,msdos5)/initrd.img ; boot ' ?? What errors ? does the system boot ?
[22:33] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ok I'll try again. I'm in the command line of grub menu, what do I do next?
[22:33] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Thanks! will do that now
[22:34] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:34] <MediocreN> bigMouthCommie: also can: setenv ALTERNATE_EDITOR "" setenv EDITOR emacsclient
[22:34] <bigMouthCommie> MediocreN: that starts the daemon, yes. but once it's running, if i open a file from natilus, it doesn't use the currently running daemon. instead, it opens a full emacs
[22:34] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: typo !
[22:34] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh, where?
[22:34] <MediocreN> bigMouthCommie: setting the editor to emacs should
[22:34] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_: http://termbin.com/by5p
[22:35] <MediocreN> bigMouthCommie: wait nvm i read what you wanted incorrectly
[22:35] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_: specifically, the PCIe 1GB version of the HD 5450.
[22:35] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: i am not sure if steam runs with the radeon driver at all.
[22:35] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: correct to be ' linux (hd0,msdos5)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ro ' msdos5 vice msdos1 .
[22:35] <k1l_> CrimsonSunrise: might want to ask the #ubuntu-steam guys
[22:35] <bigMouthCommie> i already have my bashrc configged for this, supposedly, but it doesn't do what it's supposed to
[22:36] <CrimsonSunrise> kil_: Okay.
[22:36] <methyl1> why don't you people install Antegros?
[22:36] <methyl1> https://antergos.com/
[22:37] <methyl1> It is a pure arch (only a few icon packets added)
[22:37] <k1l_> methyl1: we focus on ubuntu in here. for general linux talk join ##linux
[22:37] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Thanks, but it's a little bit confusing, could you please write the correct command into a single line, as I don't want to accidentally update it in the wrong way (sorry)
[22:37] <MediocreN> CrimsonSunrise: try setenv ALTERNATE_EDITOR=emacs --daemon
[22:37] <methyl1> with an awesome installer that lets you choose all kinds of DEs
[22:38] <CrimsonSunrise> MediocreN, Why would I do that?
[22:38] <methyl1> just wanted to give you guys a tip
[22:38] <k1l_> methyl1: stop that in here pelase
[22:38] <methyl1> ok, I was just saying, i used ubuntu for 2 years, very satisfied with it
[22:38] <methyl1> but i prefer rolling release
[22:38] <methyl1> i leave you guys now :P
[22:39] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: NP ' set prefix=(hd0,msdos5)/boot/grub ; set root=(hd0,msdos5) ; insmod linux ; linux (hd0,msdos5)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ro ; initrd (hd0,msdos5)/initrd.img ; boot ' . A bit of overkill perhaps . but maybe needed in this case .
[22:40] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Thanks a lot!
[22:40] <methyl1> just saying, if you don't want to waste your time installing ArchLinux like all the wannabe nerds, Antegros is pure Arch but with an awesome graphic installer
[22:40] <methyl1> ok bye
[22:41] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Hmmmmmmm..... no, no boot. it's still stuck in the same place
[22:41] <MediocreN> CrimsonSunrise: sorry, wrong person :/
[22:41] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: there's no errors (yet) I assume it might give me an error after being stuck for a while
[22:42] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Ouch ! it only fails after 'boot' command is executed ?
[22:42] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: the last few commands are : "Begin: Loading essential drivers... done; Begin: Running /scripts/init-premount ... done.; Begin: RUnning /scripts/local-top... done.; Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ..."
[22:42] <tangled_z> Basing-om: Yeah! Up until that everything is fine
[22:43] <methyl1> btw, did you guys heard adobe products will be very soon available on linux?
[22:43] <methyl1> pretty neat imo
[22:44] <CrimsonSunrise> methyl1, I wouldn't call it "for linux", since it seems to be restricted to Ubuntu only.
[22:44] <OerHeks> methyl1, please troll elsewere ..
[22:44] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: what are the /scripts/local-premount? Why can't it run them?
[22:44] <methyl1> not trolling at all tbh
[22:44] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Could the nvidia drivers be related to this in any way?
[22:44] <OerHeks> You have been warned enough now.
[22:44] <methyl1> I just heard it comes first for chromeos
[22:44] <methyl1> so the chance that it will be linux available is pretty high
[22:45] <methyl1> pretty sure not only on ubuntu
[22:45] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh! Got an error finally
[22:45] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: So after being stuck at that command for a few minutes it gave me this:
[22:45] <CrimsonSunrise> methyl1, Either you seem to be 6 years late to comment that or this is some obscure piece of news only you know about.
[22:45] <methyl1> correct me if i am wrong
[22:46] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: "Could not stat the resume device file '/dev/disk/by-uuid/<long-uuid-number>' please type in the full path name to try again or press ENTER to boot the system
[22:46] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Getting over my paygrade too here . and yes . the indications are a problem running that script . -- Trying to boot "nomodeset' should have taken the nVidia driver out of the picture .
[22:46] <tangled_z> OH.
[22:46] <methyl1> what do you mean? I am really interested, I am working in the creative field and I hate windows/mac
[22:46] <tangled_z> Pressing enter boots the system.
[22:47] <methyl1> CrimsonSunrise: what do you mean with the 6 years?
[22:48] <CrimsonSunrise> methyl1, This was request by several member of the Adobe community 6 years ago. Adobe's response was for people that wanted that support to like the post in question. 868 people did so. Since then, nothing has happened or said by Adobe on the matter.
[22:48] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: OH ! So system can not execute to pull out of the resume state ! .. hang on a bit here . I have seen this before ,
[22:48] <bazhang> methyl1, please take the chatter elsewhere
[22:48] <methyl1> CrimsonSunrise: Ah, I know now what you are talking about
[22:49] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: AH! Damn, so that's what it was
[22:49] <methyl1> I've also read all the gibbeish from the adobe devs regarding linux ports
[22:49] <bazhang> methyl1, thats enough
[22:49] <methyl1> bazhang: pardon?
[22:49] <methyl1> do you think I am trolling or something?
[22:49] <sintre> if somebody is going to police the channel do it already
[22:49] <bazhang> methyl1, this is ubuntu support only
[22:50] <sintre> this is what runs away people that really want to help people
[22:50] <methyl1> hey, I don't want to harm anyone here
[22:50] <OerHeks> !ot > methyl1
[22:50] <methyl1> just moved the info about the adobe stuff  that i heard today
[22:50] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic for chatter methyl1
[22:50] <methyl1> sec, I look for the src
[22:50] <methyl1> ah
[22:51] <Pumamori> Am I in the right place for troubleshooting when I'm having issues with creating a live version usb stick with Ubuntu? My apologies if not.
[22:51] <OerHeks> Pumamori, you are in the right place
[22:52] <sintre> yes Pumamori
[22:52] <Pumamori> Ah, thank you very much for letting me know!
[22:52] <stan_man_can> any way to use a 144hz monitor with 16.10? googlig around seems like it takes some hacking
[22:53] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Grim the liveDVD you know hopw to mount sda5 ? Then we see what is in the file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume . 'Nother thought encryption at play here for the file system ?
[22:54] <OerHeks> stan_man_can, use xrandr > http://askubuntu.com/questions/723297/144hz-monitor-stuck-at-60hz
[22:54] <Pumamori> What I did was (I'm currently using Windows) is creating a bootable version on an old ~8GB USB Stick, from which I started the trial version of Ubuntu without installing, configured my actual USB Stick to use with GParted, then installed everything on there. I am 100% sure that I installed everything on the usb stick, especially the "Boot Loader" p
[22:54] <Pumamori> art, but now when I restart my PC, even with the USB Stick disconnected, I enter the grub terminal, which I have to exit out off before doing anything at all. I tried "getting rid" of it through recovery CDs, but they don't even boot, it just goes straight to grub
[22:54] <Pumamori> *Recovery USB Stick, rather
[22:54] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ok, I'll load the LiveDVD. Is it possible that it's not resuming it because the grub parameters are somehow different to what they were when it suspended?
[22:55] <Aurorasaura> Is this right when modifying /ect/fstab ? mhddfs#/mnt/hdd1,/mnt/hdd2,/mnt/hdd3 /mnt/virtual fuse defaults,allow_other 0 0
[22:55] <Aurorasaura> When I reboot it takes me into emergency mode
[22:55] <sintre> Pumamori use https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[22:55] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: ie it suspended while running X using particular grub parameters for the nvidia drivers. maybe it's trying to resume into x and is unable to do so due to the nvidia parameters being incorrect this time?
[22:55] <sintre> inside windows enviroment
[22:55] <sintre> when you have the iso
[22:56] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: is there a way to just delete the entire suspended session and get straight into normal boot?
[22:56] <sintre> make sure its froma  legitament source as well
[22:56] <sintre> the iso that is
[22:56] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Also, no, no encryption for the file system!
[22:56] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: We off on a adventure to see what we can discover . But Yes, for some reason the resume script is not executing . Be new territory to me so expect fumbling !
[22:56] <Pumamori> Yes, I used that to create the bootable stick for the installation of Ubuntu, but it does not work for recovery purposes - I just get sent straight to the grub terminal.
[22:57] <MediocreN> Pumamori: creating this from ubuntu or windows?
[22:58] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh! Hold on. I pressed enter and it ended up booting into the terminal
[22:58] <sintre> Pumamaori > something else is going on then , 1 the download did and or copy failed , as the iso from the media should boot independendly
[22:58] <MediocreN> it sounds like grub isn't booting into the usb
[22:59] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: looks like it went around the suspended session and simply started a new one.
[22:59] <sintre> 1 make sure stick is formated to fat 32 before using any program to use iso
[22:59] <sintre> 2 delete and redownload the iso
[22:59] <sintre> 3 try again
[23:00] <Pumamori> Well, Ubuntu is installed on my USB Stick - and I can in fact boot it up, but having grub on my hard disk, even when choosing the bootloader to be on the usb stick seems highly counter productive when trying to create a live stick to take with you, haha. It is mostly a matter of getting rid of grub / transferring it to the stick
[23:00] <k1l> maybe worth to check the md5sum
[23:00] <sintre> and you must manually make it boot from the usb
[23:00] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: sda5 is mounted fine, though startx is not working. So I guess it's back to the nvidia problem
[23:01] <sintre> you boot into a live enviroment and there is an installer there
[23:01] <sintre> so why aren't you using it
[23:01] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ok, so that file you asked about, has this: RESUME=UUID=<long uuid number>
[23:02] <Pumamori> I know, I know. I already installed it. It's working fine. The problem I'm having is, that now Grub is on my hard disk, rather than on the USB Stick. I just want to get rid of it, so my PC boots into Windows normally, as long as the USB Stick isn't installed, as it's extremely tedious to double exit everytime, even when the USB Stick isn't plugged
[23:02] <Pumamori> in.
[23:02] <sintre> grub is supposed to be on your hdd
[23:02] <sintre> so you can BOOT the OS
[23:02] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: How can I check whether the uuid is correct?? :S
[23:03] <MediocreN> i think he is saying he wants to go back to windows
[23:03] <MediocreN> bootloader
[23:03] <sintre> the grub gives him a choice
[23:03] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: K; and that long ID is the same as that reported from ' sudo blkid ' for sda1 ?
[23:03] <sintre> here select windows with down arrow problem solved
[23:03] <MediocreN> i mean he no longer wants a grub menu on boot i think
[23:03] <sintre> so what does he want?
[23:04] <sintre> he can answer that maybe then we can help
[23:04] <CrimsonSunrise> Remove GRUB and use Window's bootloader instead?
[23:04] <Pumamori> Yes, that's it. The solution I'm aiming for, if possible, is that when the USB Stick is plugged in, Ubuntu boots, if not, Windows as normal.
[23:04] <k1l> you can set windows as default in grub
[23:04] <k1l> and use the arrow keys to select ubuntu when needed
[23:04] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: yes! is that good or bad?
[23:04] <MediocreN> Pumamori: in BIOS set the boot order
[23:04] <MediocreN> HDD = 1 USB = 2
[23:04] <MediocreN> = done?
[23:04] <sintre> he keeps talking about the usb stick , then says he installed ubuntu
[23:05] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: That is good ! .. I had anticpated that it would not be .
[23:05] <CrimsonSunrise> I get it. He wants to install GRUB to a USB stick, so he doesn't lose the Windows bootloader when he doesn't want to boot into Ubuntu.
[23:05] <CrimsonSunrise> There.
[23:05] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh! Right. Hm. But if it's the same, why is it giving an error and saying that it cant find it?
[23:05] <CrimsonSunrise> But he installed on the HDD by accient.
[23:05] <Pumamori> Yes! My apologies for being difficult, I'm trying to explain it as best I can.
[23:05] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Now I got to do some home work on this !
[23:05] <sintre> accident
[23:05] <George090803> I'm trying to run this command 'amixer -q -D pulse sset Master mute' after user login. Using @reboot for cron doesn't help. What's the best way to achieve running this command?
[23:06] <Pumamori> I don't know where I went wrong though - I did choose the USB Drive as location for the bootloader.
[23:06] <sintre> ok well , he basicly wants us to reverse his choice to install ubuntu lol
[23:06] <MediocreN> Pumamori: ok this is what you do
[23:06] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh man! I hope it's not too complicated?
[23:06] <MediocreN> Pumamori: make a windows usb installer, or if you have a disk that works too
[23:06] <MediocreN> click repair your computer, or hit F10 in the installer menu
[23:07] <MediocreN> Run BootRec.exe /fixmbr
[23:07] <MediocreN> in that cmd window
[23:07] <MediocreN> after that it will auto boot into windows, then you can remove the partition from diskpart or disk management inside of windows
[23:08] <Pumamori> My apologies for interrupting - I have attempted this, but ever since the grub terminal shows up, I can't get usb installers to boot up for the death of me. It just plain ignores them - also any attempt to get into Bios or Boot Congifs
[23:08] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: If it's the same uuid then that means it's trying to resume from swap (as it should?) hm. i'm stumped!
[23:08] <Pumamori> *Configs
[23:08] <MediocreN> so when your grub terminal pops up, is it going to ANY sort of UI, or just a terminal?
[23:09] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Check the /etc/fstab UUIDs : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/50437 .
[23:09] <MediocreN> also mashing F2/F1/delete doesnt go into your BIOS?
[23:09] <Pumamori> Can I post links here? I found a screenshot - also, no, I tried every F-Key
[23:09] <Pumamori> As well as delete
[23:09] <Pumamori> *Am I allowed to
[23:09] <MediocreN> yes
[23:10] <Pumamori> http://terminalinflection.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/GRUB-Fedora.png
[23:10] <CrimsonSunrise> I suggest you look for which keys you use to go into the bios on your device. Linux installs don't meddle with BIOS stuff.
[23:10] <Pumamori> It looks very similar to this, with the exception of a different version
[23:10] <davido_> When there is a duplicate in both /etc/apt/sources.list, and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*, which is expendable, and which should be retained?
[23:10] <Pumamori> (2.02 I think?)
[23:10] <sintre> it does meddle and can with uefi bios partiions which can be a pain
[23:10] <genii> Pumamori: Boot up to the USB, then edit /etc/default/grub file, adding:  GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true   ...then run sudo update-grub. It will not scan any other drives now except itself
[23:11] <CrimsonSunrise> sintre, I meant more in the sense of causing a BIOS reflash or corrupting its EEPROM data. I've never seen that happen.
[23:11] <sintre> I agree never have either
[23:12] <sintre> he said he can get to a live enviroment
[23:12] <MediocreN> tbh i think genii has the best idea
[23:12] <sintre> he acidently installed a grub loader without a linux os it seems
[23:12] <MediocreN> If you can boot into ubuntu edit the grub config
[23:12] <sintre> which is a head scratcher for me
[23:13] <sintre> basicly grubloader is looking for a linux os to boot from , none installed on hdd and it wont find the usb stick
[23:13] <CrimsonSunrise> Would be possible to chroot into the installed ubuntu from the live usb?
[23:13] <sintre> but can boot from usb into live envioment
[23:13] <genii> CrimsonSunrise: Yes.
[23:13] <Pumamori> Yes, that's the problem! (Also, thanks for the solution: I'm sorry for being inexperienced - are there any downsides to this solution? )
[23:13] <sintre> i would installed linux from live cd or media , that will overide the bootloader and install the os
[23:13] <sintre> then we can instruct you to remove it
[23:14] <sintre> best thing i can think of
[23:14] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: there's a few uuids there, but the swap one seems to match the one outputed by blkid /dev/sda1
[23:14] <Pumamori> Problem is, I can't seem to get any live cd / media to run, since the Grub Terminal shows up at startup. It just goes to that, no matter what I have plugged in.
[23:14] <CrimsonSunrise> genii, How? I only know how you do it on Arch.
[23:15] <genii> CrimsonSunrise: Yes. If he has no grub on the USB, needs to do some bindmounts of livecd like proc, sys, dev and to /mnt/proc /mnt/sys /mnt/dev where /mnt is where the USB is mounted. Then issue sudo install grub2
[23:15] <MediocreN> ^
[23:15] <sintre> pumamori > are you sure you know you systems boot menu and hot keys
[23:15] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: K, was a thought . I ran across this : " There is the bootparam "noresume", if you add that to your bootloader
[23:15] <newuser1234> Hello how can I delete my ubuntuforums account?
[23:15] <Bashing-om> command line no resume is attempted. It overrides any RESUME setting." worth trying ?
[23:15] <sintre> and second do you have a second computer availablee to help creat the media needed
[23:16] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Right! That's a good idea. will try npow
[23:16] <sintre> Pumamori > also what happend to the medi you tried to install with that you said you could get to a live enviroment with
[23:17] <genii> CrimsonSunrise: ..after the bindmounts, then chroot to /mnt , that is, before the apt install grub2
[23:17] <CrimsonSunrise> genii, Seems complicated. Can't you chroot just by mounting the partition? Seems rather complicated.
[23:17] <Pumamori> Well, no. But I've tried everything I found online. All the F-Keys, delete, tab and some others. Problem is, I'm not even entirely sure when to press those now - since Grub just *instantly* appears and when I exit out twice (the second being followed by an error about "Secure Boot Policies") it boots up windows.
[23:17] <genii> CrimsonSunrise: After grub2 is installed, then grub-install <the /devsdX> of the USB here>
[23:17] <Pumamori> That's still there, but it "doesn't do anything", as I've said before. It's odd.
[23:18] <sintre> Pumamari tell us the model of your computer
[23:18] <genii> CrimsonSunrise: If the bindmounts are not done, no network, and grub will also have no /dev/sdX
[23:18] <genii> ..to install to
[23:18] <Pumamori> Would you allow me to try genii's solution real quick? I'll be back in just a few seconds~
[23:18] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Sweet! nice one. yeah this one manages to bypass the problem
[23:19] <sintre> sure , i never asked you not too :)
[23:19] <CrimsonSunrise> genii, The command you use to chroot. What is it? It's "arch-chroot <mount point>" on Arch.
[23:19] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Thank you very much! That was great :)
[23:19] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: I almost thought that I wasn't going to fix it! New laptop and totally wasn't booting.
[23:20] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Well ! As I live and learn ! too . what results now with a re-boot ?
[23:21] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Heh heh!
[23:21] <rayn> was ubuntu compromised by the cia?  what does this page means? -> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_15728950.html
[23:21] <nacc> !ot | rayn
[23:21] <sintre> thier tech geeks come here for support probally
[23:22] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: With the reboot, hmm... blank screen. So it goes back to the nvidia driver problem. I really wish I saved my solution to it from when I fixed it the first time. Does this channel do logs? I think I discussed it here a few days ago actually.
[23:22] <sintre> yes there are logs
[23:23] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: My mistake was that I assumed the changes I did to the grub screen back then were permanent, and as I've learned since then they were not.
[23:23] <sintre> but you gotta go dig thru them
[23:23] <Pumamori> Err, sorry, but is the solution actually going to remove the terminal? It feels like it'd skip the actual OS selection that happens when I exit out of the terminal when the stick is in, rather than the whole thing altogether, might just be me being dumb though. (Like most problems I'm having)
[23:23] <tangled_z> sintre: great! do you have the link?
[23:24] <CrimsonSunrise> On a second note, do I have to add any ppa if I want to install kdenlive?
[23:24] <kenrin> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com have fun tangled_z
[23:24] <sintre> no genni proball does
[23:24] <nacc> !info kdenlive | CrimsonSunrise
[23:25] <tangled_z> kenrin: thanks! :D
[23:25] <sintre> Pumamori , again new media and fresh REAL install would be my go to at this point if that suggestion didn't work
[23:26] <genii> Pumamori: What are you currently booted up to? USB? HDD? If USB, did it boot from the GRUB on the HDD and then switch over booting onto the USB? Or are you in some other thing, like livecd?
[23:27] <genii> Pumamori: Apologies on lag, work got busy. But I'm not going anywhere for about 30 minutes so I can try to help until then
[23:27] <Pumamori> I'm currently on Windows, without the USB Stick plugged in. But I can boot up Ubuntu from the stick if it's plugged in if I restart, type "exit" in the Grub Terminal and then select Ubuntu from the Menu.
[23:28] <Pumamori> No need to apologize, I'm sorry for the troubling all of you.
[23:28] <Pumamori> *-the
[23:28] <CrimsonSunrise> That's what we're here for.
[23:28] <CrimsonSunrise> Well, some of us are.
[23:28] <tangled_z> Oh right I remember, it was the guys at #xmonad that helped me fix that weird nvidia driver issue
[23:29] <genii> Pumamori: OK. But is the GRUB it is booting on the HDD? Or is that GRUB on the USB?
[23:30] <Pumamori> Apparently on the HDD, even though I'm sure I set the BootLoader location to the USB. If the USB Stick is not plugged in, the Grub terminal shows up anyway, which is very inconvenient.
[23:30] <genii> Pumamori: OK. So: boot up into the USB, let me know when it is up
[23:30] <CrimsonSunrise> It seems that it tried to generate a grub config file, but was unable to do so.
[23:31] <genii> CrimsonSunrise: OK, thanks
[23:31] <Pumamori> Give me a moment - I'll grab my phone to stay in the IRC in the meantime, in case something goes wrong.
[23:31] <Shmamm> pls halp https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/349868/trying-to-get-sh-to-run-when-usb-camera-is-connected
[23:32] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: nVida driver install . Generally ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' will resolve *IF* driver installed originally from the repo .
[23:32] <Shmamm> also running ubuntu 14.04
[23:32] <Shmamm> btw
[23:32] <Shmamm> in case that matters
[23:33] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Thanks! Running now.
[23:34] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Not entirely sure whether they were from the repo or not though
[23:35] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh interesting. The ubuntu-drivers autoinstall output a warning:
[23:35]  * genii sips
[23:35] <tangled_z> cryptsetup: WARNING: found more than one resume device candidate
[23:36] <tangled_z> (and it lists two UUIDs, one of which is the swap one, and one of which is some new one)
[23:36] <Pumamori> Alright, I'll try booting up Ubuntu again real quick. Be right back!
[23:38] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: And we are full circle in finding out what that resume file(s) is correcting that issue .
[23:38] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Yeah :( this is the weirdest problem ive had in a while
[23:39] <Pumamori> Here we go! My apologies for taking so long, it took a while to get back in here on the Ubuntu System
[23:39] <Pumamori> I'm on there now!
[23:39] <genii> Pumamori: OK. Do you have internet in Ubuntu?
[23:39] <sintre> ok Pumamori what do you want
[23:39] <Pumamori> Yes, I'm on Firefox in Ubuntu right now
[23:40] <genii> Pumamori: Good. So please make a pastebin of the out put from: sudo fdisk -l
[23:40] <sintre> in order to duel boot for the most part the grub has to control the load sequence
[23:40] <Bashing-om> Well, we can say that running out of power while in a resume state is the root cause , no ? -- and on a similar note . looking at your issue pointed to a resume issue on my system !@
[23:41] <sintre> as windows will override it
[23:41] <sintre> !pastebin
[23:41] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ohmygod.
[23:41] <Pumamori> http://pastebin.com/s1zD26fd
[23:42] <Pumamori> (Uhm, I know my USB stick is weirdly formatted - that happened due to confusion about fat32 as opposed to ext4. I plan to reinstall it on the USB Stick after I've fixed the grub issues
[23:42] <Pumamori> Or is there a way to extend the 10gb I allocated ext4 with the one from fat32?
[23:42] <Pumamori> Without me having to reinstall that is
[23:42] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Ok someone gave me the copy of the logs for the xmonad chat when i fixed my issue, and turns out that the reason it's showing a blank screen is because im running a very minimal install and it's just not showing anything.
[23:42] <CrimsonSunrise> Does Ubuntu have a command-line tool from sending stuff directly to paste.ubuntu? (like Fedora's fpaste)
[23:42] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Anything relevant ' ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/< some new one UUID here > ?
[23:42] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: as in, xmonad is actually working, it just didn't show a mouse cursor or any indication of being on.
[23:42] <genii> Pumamori: So in this case, your "USB" is an external hard drive, and not a USB stick?
[23:43] <k1l> !pastebinit | CrimsonSunrise
[23:43] <katisto> how can I watch video from running only from the commandline without starting a Desktop environment???
[23:43] <k1l> CrimsonSunrise: but you still can pipe to nc termbin.com 9999
[23:43] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: still doesn't fix the weird suspension issue, but at least resolves my nvidia worries.
[23:43] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Hmmthere's 5 uuids thre
[23:43] <genii> Pumamori: Ah, nvm, I see the stick is /dev/sdf now.
[23:43] <Pumamori> Yes!
[23:45] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: The game continues . There should be only one . do all those other strange UUIDs return "  No such file or directory " from the ls command ?
[23:46] <sintre> well i gotta go grab some dinner . good luck Pumamori  and genii getting this sorted out :) sooner or later sure it wil be
[23:46] <Pumamori> So, just to repeat what the actual problems are, because I've been wording it in a very confusing way: The installation process worked - but the grub terminal appears on boot, after exiting out, I enter its menu to choose. It also shows up, when I don't have the Ubuntu USB Stick in there - which is not good. I'd like to get rid of the entire grub t
[23:46] <Pumamori> erminal in the boot process - booting Ubuntu when the stick's plugged in and booting Windows if not!
[23:46] <Pumamori> Thank you very much sintre!
[23:47] <genii> Pumamori: Your USB stick does not seem to have a native install ( for instance, just a dos partition, instead of an EXT4, and swap). It must have been made with some older tool which tries to convert for instance a non-hybrid ISO file into a bootable USB, using something like loadlin
[23:48] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Hmm they're symlinks to sda5 sda6 sda7 sda1 and dm-0
[23:48] <genii> Pumamori: I would suggest to do an actual install from an Ubuntu bootable liveUSB onto that stick as if it were a hard drive
[23:49] <Pumamori> I used Rufus to create the bootable media on a different stick, then used the stick you see here for the installation, configuring the fat and ext4 myself. I left swap out because a guide said it wouldn't be necessary if I had enough ram and didn't care about hibernate
[23:50] <tangled_z> Ok I am going to save this entire conversation to make sure I'm able to fix this if it occurs next time
[23:51] <Pumamori> I'm not sure if I'm grasping what you're saying correctly - but I feel like I did what you suggested, right? I used the latest Ubuntu version with Rufus to create a stick, booted from that then installed it on the other stick as if it was a hard drive
[23:52] <Bashing-om> tangled_z: Not sure of what you have executed to see symlinks . AND dm-0 ! How does raid/LVM enter this picture ?
[23:53] <genii> Pumamori: OK, let me look again at the pastebin.
[23:53] <ash_workz> tangled_z: you should have a client that keeps logs
[23:53] <ash_workz> tangled_z: it's saved my @ss on more than a few occasions
[23:53] <Pumamori> I'm sorry for being difficult.
[23:54] <bazhang> !1984 | tangled_z
[23:54] <UserUS> Pumamori: What did you format the USB to?
[23:54] <genii> Pumamori: What size was the USB stick that you installed from, and what size was the stick that you installed to?
[23:54] <OerHeks> tangled https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/03/07/%23ubuntu.html
[23:54] <ash_workz> wow
[23:54] <genii> UserUS: Ah, good catch
[23:54] <ash_workz> why don't more channels do that?
[23:54] <Pumamori> 8GB, the one I installed to 64GB!
[23:55] <Pumamori> I used Rufus for the 8GB one, as for the 64GB one, I went into GParted and deleted everything on there, following a guide
[23:55] <UserUS> Pumamori: What did you format it to? FAT32 or NTFS?
[23:55] <UserUS> Pumamori: FAT32 is default, did you change that?
[23:56] <tangled_z> ash_workz: yeah totally. it's only as this is a new install and im using the irc web client from a friends computer while i sort out the problems
[23:56] <Pumamori> If it's the GParted default, I might have forgotten to change something there. I don't recall that being mentioned in the guide I used, so if that's a problem, that might be it!
[23:56] <tangled_z> bazhang: thanks! that'll be useful too
[23:56] <genii> Pumamori: According to fstab, there is nothing the size of 8G currently plugged in. The ones which could possibly be sticks and not HDD are Disk /dev/sda: 238,5 GiB, 256060514304 bytes, 500118192 sectors   and Disk /dev/sdf: 57,9 GiB, 62109253632 bytes, 121307136 sectors
[23:56] <Pumamori> Oh, yes, the 8GB one is not plugged in right now
[23:57] <Pumamori> I thought I didn't need it anymore, as it was just used to initiate the installation process
[23:57] <ash_workz> tangled_z: kek
[23:57] <ash_workz> I know this is a stupid question, but how do I find the difference between the `parallel` installed on my system and 'https://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/man.html' ?
[23:58] <ash_workz> I'm sure there's something I can do with the package manager
[23:58] <k1l> !man | ash_workz
[23:58] <nacc> ash_workz: what do you mean by 'difference'?
[23:58] <ash_workz> k1l: the man doesn't tell me anything
[23:58] <nacc> ash_workz: do you mean functionally?
[23:58] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: Oh, erm, I assumed they were symlinks because they were pointing to the sda's.
[23:58] <k1l> ash_workz: i dont understand what you want to be told anyway?
[23:59] <ash_workz> nacc: I mean, just from reading the online man and the man from `man parallel` I can see that the two are significantly different
[23:59] <tangled_z> Bashing-om: maybe that was the wrong term. And yeah I was surprised to see dm-0 there too.  There shouldn't have been any other partitions other than the ones you've seen in the pastebin
[23:59] <ash_workz> nacc: particularly in support for flags. like `-0|--null`
[23:59] <blobaugh> k1l: are you available? I ran across https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1609796. I am having the exact issue outlined.