[12:21] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, is bug #1654974 still affecting you?
[12:21] <tsdgeos> let me see
[12:26] <tsdgeos> oSoMoN: there's your answer :D
[12:26] <tsdgeos> yes, it still locks me up
[12:26] <tsdgeos> food, bbl
[12:27] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, ack, thanks
[12:28] <greyback> oSoMoN: I tried it here, no lock-up for me
[12:30] <oSoMoN> interesting
[12:30] <oSoMoN> greyback, tsdgeos: I upgraded to zesty yesterday, so I’ll test it myself
[12:31] <greyback> might be gpu specific
[13:07] <tsdgeos> greyback: probably?
[13:50] <greyback> tsdgeos: probably??
[13:51] <tsdgeos> greyback: i mean could be lots of other things (the webbrowser-app crash)
[13:56] <greyback> tsdgeos: yeah, it only one of many possibilities
[14:57] <shakes808> Hello all,  I just seen this article from someone in the office: https://goo.gl/sHDTe4  Is Touch in the same boat or is it more secure?
[14:58] <dobey> would have to know exact details of how each attack works on android 4.4 and 5.1 to say for sure
[14:59] <shakes808> Yeah, those details are going to be a little more difficult to find.  How close is Android to Ubuntu?  I know they are both built from Linux.
[15:00] <dobey> the ubuntu phone/tablet images have to use android for the kernel and drivers to get the hardware to work. the android services bits that are needed are in a container though
[15:01] <shakes808> interesting.
[15:02] <shakes808> thank you dobey
[15:05] <dobey> so in some ways it is more secure, but ubuntu phone/tablet images don't yet have encrypted storage support, so in some ways not as secure. and it will depend on specific attacks on whether it's protected against or not
[15:05] <dobey> i think a lot of the attacks are actually malware that has to be installed in android though
[15:19] <mterry> tedg: I'm testing UAL on deb-based-unity8 some more and see more examples of missing icons.  For example, "Brightness & Lock" uses an icon name of "system-lock-screen" -- this is stored in the "actions" subfolder of most icon themes, but UAL only looks at the "apps" subfolder.  Do you want to grow the icon search to be more robust/complicated (more complete
[15:19] <mterry> .theme parsing etc), bandaid patch for now to add a couple common subfolders (actions, status), or what?
[15:22] <tedg> mterry: I think we probably need to grow it :-(  None of the toolkits exposed enough of their parsing that we could use it. So we're gonna have to grow our own.
[15:22] <tedg> mterry: FYI that is larryprice's code there, so good to ask him if you have questions.
[15:23] <dobey> mterry, tedg: we should probably patch those classic system settings things to not show up in unity8 perhaps.
[15:24] <larryprice> hmm thought i had fixed ual to recursively find app icons... though that could have just been desktop files
[15:25] <mterry> larryprice: it's definitely got some smarts, just happens to not check theme dirs that aren't 'apps'
[15:26] <larryprice> mterry, o yeah that makes sense actually
[15:26] <larryprice> wouldn't be too difficult to add that in... i can look into it
[15:27] <mterry> larryprice: OK that would be swell, probably faster for you than me, you know the code
[15:27] <mterry> larryprice: I was using bug 1669913 for UAL icon issues in deb-u8
[15:28] <larryprice> mterry, great thanks
[15:35] <mterry> larryprice: I'm going through the icons I can see on my laptop that are missing.  So far I've seen icons that live in actions, places, mimes, mimetypes...  So yeah, looks like you need full index.theme parsing
[15:36] <larryprice> mterry, heh ouch
[15:36] <larryprice> mterry, tbh i was about to task switch so this was a great time for this problem to come up
[15:37] <mterry> :)
[15:45] <shakes808> For your phones and tablets, are there any more being built and sold or are they all going to be rooted from here on out?
[15:50] <larryprice> tedg, having trouble building u-a-l on zesty? i've installed the deps using mk-build-deps. https://paste.ubuntu.com/24139540/
[15:52] <dobey> shakes808: that's a question for manufacturers to answer. we couldn't answer about unannounced devices in here, even if we knew. :)
[15:55] <tedg> larryprice: You need the glib in proposed, I thought it'd migrated by now (uploaded yesterday)
[15:55] <shakes808> dobey: :) HAHA gotcha.  I just see that they are all sold out ( tablets and phones ) on the website.  And I know a few years ago you had the Ubuntu Edge on Indigogo.  I was really looking forward to that.  Is that a completely dead project or is it still in development?
[15:55] <tedg> larryprice: But if you're just working on it you can ignore that failure
[15:55] <larryprice> tedg, heh ok
[15:55] <dobey> shakes808: the edge didn't reach funding goal, so not happening
[15:56] <shakes808> :| that sucks.
[15:56] <shakes808> is there a possibility that something of that caliber will be released ever?
[15:57] <larryprice> anything's possible
[15:58] <dobey> no idea. we don't make hardwre here. :)
[15:58] <larryprice> plenty of people seem to be interested in such a device, that's for sure
[16:00] <larryprice> mterry, do you think it's fine to continue to limit the theme dirs to those 4 (adwaita, humanity, gnome, hicolor)? or do you think we'll need to include everything...
[16:01] <mterry> larryprice: for now it's fine I think, those are all reasonable fallbacks -- at some point we should actually respect theme
[16:02] <mterry> larryprice: suru is notably missing...  but that's not really a fallback so much as a real theme
[16:02] <larryprice> right - there seems to still be an open question of what "theme" will mean in a native unity8 world
[16:04] <mterry> larryprice: we don't allow setting it...  but UAL could pick something up from env if it were set by unity8...  or notice it's in u8 and use suru...  Or just assume it's in u8 and use suru. not sure
[16:07] <dobey> larryprice, mterry: bigger problem is there is no unity-settings-daemon running for apps started in xmir
[16:13] <mterry> I believe uitk just hardcodes icon lookup as suru
[16:17] <dobey> well uitk hardocdes everything as suru
[16:18] <dobey> but uitk apps will work under xcb qpa with different icon theme set, as long as the theme has the icons
[16:18] <dobey> i think
[16:18] <dobey> ie under unity7
[16:19] <dobey> but x11 apps under xmir in unity8 are all a hodgepodge of themes. some are humanity, some are plain gtk. none of the Xatoms get set to make things work
[16:36] <larryprice> although it seems we can't limit ourselves to just "Applications" type icons, it seems a bit irresponsible to parse *all* the dirs... deciding which ones to skip seems a little arbitrary, though
[16:38] <larryprice> although i can now say with confidence all my icons are visible
[16:38] <larryprice> and it didn't seem any slower
[17:25] <dobey> larryprice: well, really, we should probabl actually follow the spec
[17:26] <larryprice> dobey, currently i'm "following the spec" as in iterating through the dirs listed in index.theme - not sure if the spec tells us which "types" are appropriate, since we were surprised to see "devices" and "places" icons used for apps
[17:27] <larryprice> for reference: https://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html
[17:28] <larryprice> Places not even listed on freedesktop... /me sighs at liberal spec use
[17:31] <dobey> places is listed in freedesktop
[17:33] <larryprice> i'll happily take a reference link if the one i posted is wrong/outdated
[17:33] <dobey> https://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
[17:33] <dobey> the icon theme spec doesn't specify contexts
[17:33] <dobey> or well, it doesn't specify all the contexts
[17:34] <dobey> i mean, it doesn't list apps in the icon theme spec either in that section
[17:34] <dobey> that whole subsection should just be removed from the icon theme spec
[17:34] <dobey> but eh, whatever
[17:42] <mterry> larryprice: if you want to get real fun, implement Inherits support and do recursive icon theme parsing
[17:43] <larryprice> alt i  could be a few minutes from finished with a working impl...
[17:43] <larryprice> :)
[17:45] <dobey> or just use glib to do it
[17:45] <dobey> instead of re-implementing stuff with bugs :)
[17:46] <larryprice> i could limit the search to Applications, Devices, and Places, which seem to be the 3 contexts that apps use... that way we don't unnecessarily parse through MimeTypes, Emotes, International,  etc.
[17:47] <mterry> larryprice: one app used "categories" too.  Another used mimes/mimetypes -- some icon themes had one or the other name for that
[17:47] <dobey> well we aren't "parsing" them
[17:47] <dobey> we're building a single file name and then testing if the file exists, for each directory
[17:47] <larryprice> mterry, ick ok - i'm just going to leave it alone at this point
[17:48] <dobey> and most of these "apps" should be hidden in unity8 anyway i think
[18:01] <larryprice> mterry: wasn't sure whether to merge into your branch or main, so i chose main https://code.launchpad.net/~larryprice/ubuntu-app-launch/better-icon-themes/+merge/319358
[18:03] <dobey> larryprice: i guess ICON_THEME_DIRS there should be in order of preference, with suru being first
[18:04] <dobey> suru -> Humanity -> Adwaita -> gnome -> hicolor
[18:05] <mterry> larryprice: if you implemented Inherits, you'd just need to specify suru  :P
[18:05] <mterry> I guess you'd miss Adwaita that way
[18:05] <larryprice> so we do want to add suru?
[18:05] <larryprice> easy change
[18:05] <mterry> larryprice: naw I was just joshing
[18:05] <dobey> we don't want to find hicolor icons before everything else
[18:07] <neerad> CONFIG_USER_NS=y causes kernel compilation error how to solve this please
[18:07] <mterry> larryprice: I don't mind you obsoleting my branch at all  :)
[18:09] <larryprice> ok so i'll reorder the list as above (good idea), including the addition of suru?
[18:09]  * larryprice doesn't know much about which themes trump one another
[18:10] <dobey> hicolor is meant to be the ultimate fallback; there should never be anything checked after it
[18:11] <dobey> i'm not sure we would even have Humanity in the list at all there, but with it, the ordering i suggested above seems correct
[18:12] <dobey> larryprice: you can also just have the theme names in that list, and just put "icons" as the argument before that value, in g_build_filename
[18:13] <larryprice> dobey, we're on the same page - i just pushed up a change doing that :)
[19:08] <neerad> constant bootloop
[19:09] <mterry> tedg: using silo 2531 (not sure if it's this silo -- will downgrade in sec to test), a second app launch in unity8 takes down unity8
[19:10] <mterry> oh yeah hard to downgrade out of stable overlay
[19:10] <mterry> can build from trunk
[19:19] <tedg> mterry: I think it's just XMir and U8 -- they're not really friends right now.
[19:28] <mterry> tedg: I'll start looking into why -- do you have any background on that?  presumably out of my graphics-knowledge league
[19:28] <ChrisTownsend> mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmir/+bug/1670710
[19:29] <tedg> Thanks ChrisTownsend, was just looking for that :-)
[19:29] <mterry> ChrisTownsend: cheers
[19:29] <ChrisTownsend> tedg: I finally beat you to something!
[19:29] <ChrisTownsend> :)
[19:30] <tedg> Haha, I'll get you next time! ;-)
[19:30] <ChrisTownsend> lol
[19:39] <MIkeTheWolf83> Hi there I am trying to install Ubuntu on a Alacatel One Touch pop c1
[19:40] <MIkeTheWolf83> anyone can tell me if that is possible???
[19:41] <MIkeTheWolf83> It is possible to install Ubuntu on a Alacatel One Touch pop c1?????????
[19:44] <OerHeks> MIkeTheWolf83, i see no port here .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[19:45] <MIkeTheWolf83> Ok thanks but even if there is no port it is possible????
[19:46] <mimecar> you must use a port in order to install ubuntu touch
[19:46] <mimecar> with not ports, you can't
[19:47] <OerHeks> If you start a port, maybe you can.
[19:47] <mimecar> the other option is create a new port...
[19:49] <OerHeks> Porting is not that easy, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/
[19:53] <MIkeTheWolf83> thanks everyone I quite understand
[19:53] <MIkeTheWolf83> do not think I could create a new port
[19:54] <MIkeTheWolf83> I just asked because the matter is very interesting and have that phone with no use and wanted to experiment
[20:02] <neerad> neerad@neerad-Satellite-L850 ~/phablet_CM_12.1/out/target/product/wt88047 $ abootimg -i boot.img
[20:02] <neerad> Android Boot Image Info:
[20:02] <neerad> * file name = boot.img
[20:02] <neerad> * image size = 8361984 bytes (7.97 MB)
[20:02] <neerad>   page size  = 2048 bytes
[20:02] <neerad> * Boot Name = ""
[20:02] <neerad> * kernel size       = 7566616 bytes (7.22 MB)
[20:02] <neerad>   ramdisk size      = 618925 bytes (0.59 MB)
[20:02] <neerad> * load addresses:
[20:02] <neerad>   kernel:       0x10008000
[20:02] <neerad>   ramdisk:      0x12000000
[20:02] <neerad>   tags:         0x11e00000
[20:02] <neerad> * empty cmdline
[20:02] <neerad> * id = 0x3b9aebda 0xa1e37ea2 0xfa56a91f 0x7f3a21df 0xe8a9949b 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
[20:02] <neerad> boot.img is empty no command line ?
[20:02] <dobey> neerad: pastebin in future please :)
[20:03] <neerad> okay but please give the solution ?
[20:03] <dobey> sorry i do not know
[20:03] <neerad> What does your boot.img kernel command line contains ?
[20:05] <dobey> i don't know
[20:05] <dobey> i don't have any phones with ubuntu running on them and powered on, and i've not done any device porting
[21:26] <neerad> Bootloop continously ?