| Langjan | Hi just checking in on the sleep-less chat members - watching the cricket or a guilty conscience? Lol | 01:59 |
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| paddatrapper | T819%9! | 04:47 |
| paddatrapper | Apologies | 04:47 |
| paddatrapper | Morning everyone | 04:47 |
| inetpro | guten morgen | 05:55 |
| inetpro | paddatrapper: time to change that... | 05:56 |
| paddatrapper | inetpro: it was my fat fingers trying to pick up keys and my phone at the same time... | 05:56 |
| inetpro | haha :-) | 05:57 |
| nsnzero | morning all | 06:12 |
| Langjan | G morning all | 06:23 |
| Langjan | how you doing Kilos ? | 06:24 |
| Kilos | morning Langjan nsnzero inetpro paddatrapper and others | 06:33 |
| Kilos | i am still ok ty Langjan how are you? hehe | 06:34 |
| nsnzero | hi Kilos Langjan | 06:35 |
| Langjan | Good, also fine thks Kilos except I need your lifesaving skills | 06:35 |
| Langjan | hi nsnzero | 06:35 |
| Kilos | speak to me oh old one | 06:35 |
| Kilos | dont make me swim 50 metres though | 06:36 |
| Langjan | Lmga. I tried to get my startup ubuntu logo back ended up editing grub GFX mode and got options that I did not know about | 06:37 |
| andrewlsd | Morning y'all | 06:37 |
| Kilos | hi andrewlsd | 06:37 |
| Langjan | so I trid to reboot and landed up with graphics prob | 06:37 |
| Langjan | hi andrewlsd | 06:38 |
| Kilos | ai! Langjan | 06:38 |
| Langjan | huge screen but nothing works | 06:38 |
| Kilos | for starters why wasnt your startup logo there to start with | 06:38 |
| Langjan | running on laptop | 06:38 |
| Kilos | lets go through it slowly | 06:39 |
| Langjan | OK I did a frashinstall and the ogo was gone since then | 06:39 |
| Langjan | It was after I went to 64 bit | 06:39 |
| Kilos | so what do you see on startup then | 06:40 |
| Langjan | just a blank screen | 06:40 |
| Kilos | ok lets try the aptitude reinstall route | 06:40 |
| Langjan | running on live dvd now but dnt thinkthat will help | 06:41 |
| nsnzero | thats the plymouth screen -> shows the logo | 06:41 |
| Kilos | i need to learn what apt can do still | 06:41 |
| Kilos | ah nsnzero so where the logo went? | 06:41 |
| nsnzero | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth | 06:42 |
| Kilos | Langjan ctrl+alt+F3 does what | 06:42 |
| nsnzero | i think its looking for a theme thats not there hence the blank screen | 06:42 |
| Kilos | i wbb debs online | 06:42 |
| nsnzero | apt search plymouth will give you available themes | 06:42 |
| Kilos | nsnzero help oom jan please | 06:43 |
| Langjan | let me reboot first, on live dvd now | 06:43 |
| Langjan | ctrl+alt+f3 does nothing | 06:44 |
| nsnzero | ctrl+alt+function lets you change sessions | 06:45 |
| Langjan | function? | 06:46 |
| nsnzero | F1 F2 F3 ... etc function keys | 06:46 |
| Langjan | they do nothing system seems dead just shows a screen with huge graphics | 06:47 |
| Kilos | you see a | 06:47 |
| Kilos | um | 06:47 |
| Langjan | no cursor, no internet | 06:47 |
| Kilos | thing where you type commands | 06:48 |
| Kilos | cursor | 06:48 |
| Langjan | mouse pointer static | 06:48 |
| Kilos | prompt is the word im looking for | 06:48 |
| nsnzero | you need to reset grub - you have changed the gfx mode | 06:48 |
| Kilos | go ahead ty nsnzero | 06:48 |
| Langjan | thks nsnzero | 06:49 |
| Langjan | how do I reset grub in nothing works? | 06:49 |
| nsnzero | just checking .... | 06:49 |
| Kilos | cant you type commands even? | 06:49 |
| Langjan | nope | 06:50 |
| Langjan | no terminal opens | 06:50 |
| Kilos | ai! | 06:50 |
| nsnzero | how did you edit the grub config Langjan ? | 06:50 |
| Langjan | you mean what did I change? | 06:51 |
| nsnzero | try changing the session with ctrl+alt+F1 , F2 , F3 .... | 06:51 |
| Langjan | they are all not reacting | 06:51 |
| Langjan | screen just shows al startup apps in huge graphics and nothing is reacting | 06:52 |
| nsnzero | both Langjan .... but if you hold down the left shift key when booting - you will get the grub menu | 06:52 |
| Langjan | ok let me try thks | 06:52 |
| nsnzero | do you remember what you changed ? | 06:53 |
| Langjan | gfx mode deleted the # than added a line | 06:54 |
| Langjan | ok in grub now | 06:54 |
| Langjan | advanced options? | 06:54 |
| Langjan | looks like I can select an older kernel? | 06:56 |
| Langjan | yes I did that and all is back to normal, many thanks guys | 06:57 |
| nsnzero | pleasure | 06:58 |
| Langjan | Enjoy your day nsnzero | 06:59 |
| nsnzero | thanks Langjan and you have a good day too | 07:00 |
| Kilos | is it fixed | 07:00 |
| Langjan | yes thks Kilos | 07:01 |
| Langjan | whats news from Oz? | 07:01 |
| Kilos | now listen | 07:01 |
| Kilos | they fine ty just stressing about my heart | 07:01 |
| Kilos | Langjan rule 1 dont try fix what isnt broken | 07:02 |
| Langjan | Good and thks, leave well enough alone is now my middle name | 07:03 |
| nsnzero | **** or ask first then make changes **** | 07:03 |
| Kilos | rule 2 before you try some advise from the internet come ask here and bring the link to where you getting the advise | 07:03 |
| Kilos | zlways ask here | 07:03 |
| Langjan | OK boss and lifesaver, will do | 07:03 |
| Kilos | always | 07:03 |
| Kilos | im happy you got it going, ty nsnzero | 07:04 |
| Kilos | the oom does things that are beyong me | 07:04 |
| Langjan | That was Bing Crosby's song | 07:04 |
| Langjan | Always | 07:04 |
| Kilos | yes | 07:04 |
| Kilos | ill be helping you always | 07:04 |
| Kilos | hehe | 07:04 |
| Langjan | Got to keep me going with something interesting - always | 07:05 |
| Kilos | i dont love you you too old and ugly | 07:05 |
| Kilos | but you a good friend | 07:05 |
| Langjan | Lmga, thinking how you will look when you get to 74 | 07:05 |
| Kilos | oh and aking vits c 4 times a day | 07:05 |
| Langjan | Good boy! | 07:06 |
| Kilos | got 2 more bottles | 07:06 |
| Langjan | Feel the kick yet? | 07:06 |
| Kilos | no | 07:06 |
| Langjan | ai | 07:06 |
| Kilos | where must it kick? | 07:06 |
| Langjan | hardegat | 07:06 |
| Langjan | lmga | 07:06 |
| Kilos | hehe | 07:06 |
| Langjan | ok going for breakfast lekker daggie | 07:06 |
| Kilos | ian felt it quick but nothing works on me in a short while | 07:06 |
| Kilos | enjoy | 07:07 |
| Kilos | have a good day | 07:07 |
| Langjan | thks and keep it up until you feel kick | 07:07 |
| Kilos | where? | 07:07 |
| Langjan | jy ook my lifesaver | 07:07 |
| Langjan | in the backside where else? | 07:07 |
| Kilos | lmga there no pain there man | 07:08 |
| Kilos | go eat | 07:08 |
| Kilos | haha | 07:08 |
| Langjan | wil be when it kicks | 07:08 |
| Langjan | lmga | 07:08 |
| Langjan | moi loop | 07:08 |
| Kilos | jy ook dankie | 07:08 |
| * andrewlsd lurks | 07:36 | |
| nsnzero | hi andrewlsd | 07:38 |
| nsnzero | kilos correct me if i am wrong but didnt you once stay in toti ? | 07:38 |
| Kilos | yes nsnzero about 30 years ago | 07:41 |
| nsnzero | thanks for the update Kilos | 07:44 |
| nsnzero | i need to get more people from durban to be involved in ubuntu | 07:45 |
| Kilos | there were a feww there | 07:46 |
| Kilos | vince0 is there and wwk | 07:47 |
| Kilos | you could still find buntu users in dbnlug as well | 07:47 |
| nsnzero | dbnlug is inactive from the last time i checked | 07:50 |
| Kilos | try find vince0 | 08:05 |
| Kilos | he is on G+ iirc | 08:06 |
| Kilos | and william walter kinghorn has many things going in durbs | 08:06 |
| magellanic | hi lurker, I mean andrewlsd :P | 08:13 |
| Kilos | hi magellanic | 08:34 |
| magellanic | hi Kilos | 08:37 |
| nsnzero | yesterday i spent a few hours in #unbuntu-za - wondering why no one was chatting | 08:44 |
| andrewlsd | inetpro: no Maaz today? I may have missed the discussion, but is Maaz been repaired/replaced? | 08:46 |
| nsnzero | andrewlsd: there was talk of upgrading maaz | 08:59 |
| Kilos | been missing in action some days now iirc | 09:00 |
| Kilos | i can bring a loan bot here | 09:01 |
| Kilos | QA coffee on | 09:01 |
| * QA starts grinding coffee | 09:01 | |
| nsnzero | no siri or cortana ? lol | 09:02 |
| QA | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 09:05 |
| nsnzero | guys is there a program like emacs with common key binding like ctrl+s to save ctrl+c to copy | 09:37 |
| nsnzero | found a keybinding called Ergoemacs - GNU Emacs for people who did not grow up with emacs | 09:45 |
| andrewlsd | ^ that sounds like a question for theblazehen | 09:45 |
| andrewlsd | QA: tell magellanic hi there. sorry I missed you | 09:46 |
| QA | andrewlsd: I don't know who magellanic is. Say 'magellanic on freenode' and I'll take your word that magellanic exists | 09:46 |
| andrewlsd | QA: tell magellanic on freenode hi there. sorry I missed you | 09:46 |
| QA | andrewlsd: Sure, I'll tell magellanic on freenode | 09:46 |
| theblazehen | Hi. nsnzero look at the CUA keys option | 09:46 |
| * andrewlsd basks in the awesomeness of theblazehen | 09:46 | |
| theblazehen | If you use the menu bar, options -> Use CUA keys | 09:46 |
| theblazehen | heh | 09:46 |
| andrewlsd | fortunately _there is no charge for awesomess_ | 09:46 |
| theblazehen | It's right in the menus | 09:47 |
| andrewlsd | _or attractiveness_ | 09:47 |
| theblazehen | lol | 09:47 |
| * andrewlsd looks at several menus | 09:47 | |
| * andrewlsd does not see CUA anywhere | 09:47 | |
| nsnzero | installing emacs now to try it out | 09:48 |
| * andrewlsd puts down menus from Spur, Nandos and | 09:48 | |
| theblazehen | nsnzero: Have you looked at spacemacs? Does a lot of the hard work for you | 09:48 |
| * andrewlsd <insert_restaurant_name_here> | 09:48 | |
| * theblazehen uses it | 09:48 | |
| theblazehen | andrewlsd: Try going to a restaurant that RMS frequents? | 09:49 |
| nsnzero | theblazehen: i checked it out but you need emacs24 installed first | 09:49 |
| theblazehen | nsnzero: And you can't use emacs24? | 09:49 |
| theblazehen | Which version do you have? | 09:49 |
| nsnzero | i have no version installed yet - downloading now | 09:50 |
| theblazehen | Yeah. But spacemacs is easier than starting with an empty init.el | 09:50 |
| nsnzero | was checking it out last night - but the key binding in emacs left me wondering | 09:51 |
| * theblazehen doesn't really know any lisp... But if you don't want to learn lisp to configure your text editor, spacemacs is great | 09:51 | |
| theblazehen | yeah. It's as easy as clicking the option in the menu | 09:51 |
| theblazehen | spacemacs has emacs or vim keybindings, with option for CUA | 09:52 |
| theblazehen | Takes like 3 seconds to start spacemacs though :/ But if you use emacsclient it's not too bad | 09:52 |
| theblazehen | Emacsclient causes issues when you use neotree in multiple frames though, and I just use vim for quick edits | 09:53 |
| nsnzero | i dont know what emacsclient is theblazehen | 09:54 |
| theblazehen | nsnzero: You can run emacs as a daemon if you don't want to wait the 2 - 10 seconds for it to start up | 09:55 |
| nsnzero | will spacemacs run in terminal ? | 09:55 |
| theblazehen | These days I just deal with the little wait, since I generally use it for long running sessions | 09:55 |
| theblazehen | Yeah, just pass it the option to run in console | 09:55 |
| theblazehen | Terminal is very limited in terms of keys that can be entered | 09:56 |
| nsnzero | currently i am using nano - serves its purpose - but emacs is something i want to play with | 10:01 |
| theblazehen | nsnzero: Yeah, go for spacemacs. It does all the basic stuff for you | 10:01 |
| theblazehen | nsnzero: I really love https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/emacs#TRAMP | 10:02 |
| nsnzero | error: Package `package-build-' is unavailable | 10:04 |
| nsnzero | emacs --insecure cures the above probllem | 10:08 |
| nsnzero | so many other issues with spacemacs | 10:23 |
| theblazehen | How so? | 10:25 |
| nsnzero | helm giving me errors | 10:29 |
| nsnzero | spacemacs helm-ag :init: Symbol's function definition is void: | 10:29 |
| theblazehen | Tried closing it and opening it again? | 10:33 |
| * theblazehen sometimes needs to do that after editing certain bits of the config file etc, live reload doesn't always work | 10:33 | |
| nsnzero | 5 times restarted still the same | 10:35 |
| theblazehen | Hmm. No issues for me. emacs version? | 10:37 |
| nsnzero | welcome back Maaz | 10:37 |
| andrewlsd | Hello Maaz | 10:37 |
| nsnzero | emacs24 | 10:37 |
| andrewlsd | Maaz: segfault | 10:38 |
| Maaz | andrewlsd: Huh? | 10:38 |
| theblazehen | nsnzero: Are you looking for a "text editor", or a bit more of a full development environment? | 10:38 |
| * andrewlsd was just checking | 10:38 | |
| nsnzero | how do i close windows/buffers ? | 10:38 |
| theblazehen | <space> w will give you a window menu | 10:38 |
| nsnzero | test editor but if it offers more - i will take it | 10:38 |
| theblazehen | In vim mode I just :q | 10:38 |
| theblazehen | andrewlsd: https://xkcd.com/371/ | 10:39 |
| theblazehen | nsnzero: tip: If you want to do something, and can't find it in the menu, <spacw> : | 10:39 |
| theblazehen | then type what you're looking for | 10:39 |
| * theblazehen still doesn't know where comment-region is in the menu | 10:40 | |
| theblazehen | eg, <spc> : kill win gives me "kll-buffer-and-window" | 10:40 |
| theblazehen | Amazing how much there is | 10:41 |
| theblazehen | https://github.com/tkf/emacs-ipython-notebook/wiki/Screenshots is amazing | 10:41 |
| theblazehen | http://termbin.com/xnhl my .spacemacs | 10:42 |
| theblazehen | and new-frame creates a new window (as managed by your window manager, not a window inside emacs) | 10:43 |
| theblazehen | hi jerit | 10:44 |
| jerit | o/ | 10:44 |
| jerit | how goes | 10:44 |
| theblazehen | Good and you jerit? | 10:44 |
| jerit | can't complain much :P | 10:44 |
| jerit | currently just trying to figure out wtf I'm supposed to put on a landing page for my Adwords ads | 10:44 |
| theblazehen | heh. Someone asks a north korean guy how he's doing. "Can't complain" he says | 10:45 |
| jerit | lol | 10:45 |
| andrewlsd | lol | 10:45 |
| andrewlsd | jerit: I dunno maybe just add some words ;-P | 10:46 |
| jerit | maybe I must log in to the mailing service that planet fitness uses and see what their emails look like since I forgot since I left that company 4 years ago | 10:46 |
| jerit | (they haven't changed their login credentials in all that time) | 10:47 |
| jerit | maybe that'll help | 10:47 |
| theblazehen | jerit: goatse.ch/ (Maybe a little nsfw. Depending on how nsfw a little ascii can be) | 10:47 |
| jerit | theblazehen: what concerns me most about that is that someone paid for that domain and took the time to make that into ascii art | 10:48 |
| theblazehen | heh | 10:50 |
| theblazehen | So I encoded the "Don't copy that floppy" video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI) so that it is 1352 KB. Aka, I can now copy that floppy. https://linx.li/bidm4bzq.mkv | 10:51 |
| theblazehen | opus + x265 / HEVC | 10:52 |
| nsnzero | i gave up on emacs | 10:52 |
| theblazehen | nsnzero: Maybe give vanilla emacs a go? | 10:52 |
| nsnzero | tried vanilla as well - learning curve to steep | 10:52 |
| nsnzero | i need a something a little better than nano | 10:53 |
| theblazehen | I got a "watchable" video in 22.77 kbit/s | 10:53 |
| theblazehen | nsnzero: I've heard good things about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Own_Editor | 10:53 |
| theblazehen | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ne_(text_editor) has "normal" key bindings as well, and a menu bar | 10:54 |
| nsnzero | midnight commander is a text editor as well ! | 10:57 |
| theblazehen | nice | 10:57 |
| andrewlsd | anyone know whether there is an alternative command to `tree` that does pretty much the same thing, but perhaps with additional options? | 11:00 |
| andrewlsd | nsnzero: yeah, mc ftw | 11:01 |
| nsnzero | mc reminds me of wordperfect | 11:04 |
| theblazehen | andrewlsd: What are you looking for? | 11:04 |
| andrewlsd | ? looking for? | 11:05 |
| nsnzero | what do you want tree to do ? | 11:05 |
| andrewlsd | oh. just what tree does. | 11:05 |
| andrewlsd | but I was wondering whether there was some other built-in or something like that that might do the same role, but have a different name. | 11:06 |
| nsnzero | tree print directories in a tree format | 11:06 |
| andrewlsd | e.g like mail vs mailx | 11:06 |
| andrewlsd | yip, and that is what I wanted to do (print directories in a tree format) | 11:06 |
| nsnzero | cp tree treex ? | 11:07 |
| andrewlsd | was just curious, every so often one comes across alternatives. looking for `serendipity` | 11:07 |
| andrewlsd | lol nsnzero | 11:07 |
| andrewlsd | or go hardcore.... edit the source s/tree/treex/ then package the deb as treex ; then upload to repo, and apt-get install treex | 11:08 |
| nsnzero | i was looking for program that print file listing in html format - tree does that - its pretty good | 11:08 |
| pavlushka | nsnzero: tree and tee are two different command :p | 11:08 |
| pavlushka | *s | 11:08 |
| andrewlsd | btw, other examples that I was thinking of are `tar` vs `star` and `egrep` vs `grep` | 11:09 |
| theblazehen | andrewlsd: http://termbin.com/3rn2 :p | 11:10 |
| theblazehen | Also, grep -E iirc, and have you looked at bsdtar? | 11:10 |
| andrewlsd | TIL: `/proc/self` like `cat /proc/self/status` never knew about that before | 11:13 |
| theblazehen | andrewlsd: man 5 procfs :) | 11:19 |
| andrewlsd | TY theblazehen. | 11:20 |
| inetpro | Maaz: wb | 11:26 |
| Maaz | Thank you so much inetpro my good good friend | 11:26 |
| inetpro | cocooncrash: thanks for fixing it/him/her again | 11:26 |
| andrewlsd | theblazehen: just played with creating the "unread" type view from Slack in Quassel by creating a chat view that only shows channels with new messages. works nicely | 11:28 |
| theblazehen | Nice. /me should actually set up a monitor view for busy slack groups with quassel | 11:29 |
| cocooncrash | inetpro: np | 11:38 |
| nsnzero | have a good afternoon everyone | 12:20 |
| jerit | inetpro wasn't I arguing with you several months ago about my own auth that I rolled on a website? | 12:24 |
| jerit | no that was someone called inetpro_madness | 12:25 |
| * inetpro shakes head in confusion | 12:27 | |
| pavlushka | good afternoon | 12:28 |
| andrewlsd | hi pavlushka | 13:11 |
| andrewlsd | hi inetpro | 13:11 |
| pavlushka | Hello andrewlsd :) | 13:12 |
| pavlushka | yes hi inetpro :p | 13:12 |
| Squirm_ | Hiya | 14:31 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm_ | 14:32 |
| Kilos | oooo yay return of the bot | 14:33 |
| Kilos | QA leave #ubuntu-za | 14:33 |
| Kilos | ty inetpro and cocooncrash | 14:34 |
| Kilos | Maaz coffee on | 14:34 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 14:34 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 14:38 |
| inetpro | Kilos: sounds like the title of a movie | 14:51 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 14:52 |
| Kilos | Maaz danke | 14:52 |
| Maaz | Bitteschön | 14:52 |
| Kilos | i still gotta find which character makes that o with dots above | 14:53 |
| chesedo | Kilos: <right alt> + ; + o = ö | 15:17 |
| chesedo | if your keyboard has the sa layout | 15:18 |
| chesedo | in fact <right alt> + ; + <most letters> = ä | ë | ï | ö | ü | ẅ | ẗ | ÿ | ....... | 15:19 |
| jerit | Kilos sudo rm -rf / | 15:56 |
| Kilos | ¸¸ö | 16:14 |
| Kilos | yooooo hooo ty guys | 16:14 |
| Kilos | whats the rm command fo , to remove what | 16:14 |
| Kilos | sorry i took so long, had to strip fan and lube the bushes because peeps dunno what fosphore bronze is | 16:15 |
| Kilos | anymore | 16:16 |
| Kilos | jerit what is the remove command for? | 16:21 |
| Kilos | remove root? | 16:21 |
| jerit | yeah supposed to have been a joke | 16:22 |
| Kilos | hahaha thats dangerous with me i do stupid things and trust everyone here | 16:23 |
| Kilos | so dont expect commands that will kill my system | 16:23 |
| chesedo | Kilos: see how easy it is to remember too... the ; key has the double dots too... | 16:35 |
| inetpro | jerit: don't be evil | 16:43 |
| jerit | its not that evil nowadays anyway since there's protection against doing this... I tried it once | 16:45 |
| nsnzero | evening guys | 17:09 |
| magellanic | google cloud next17 event livestream, for anyone interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_K1YoMHpbk | 18:11 |
| magellanic | a bit late sorry | 18:11 |
| superfly | hi hi | 19:13 |
| nsnzero | good morning / evening superfly | 19:15 |
| superfly | afternoon, actually, it's 12:15 | 19:15 |
| nsnzero | oh - 9 hours difference | 19:16 |
| magellanic | hi superfly | 19:17 |
| superfly | nsnzero: yes. And always 9. Arizona is one of the few states which doesn't do DST | 19:17 |
| superfly | hey magellanic | 19:17 |
| nsnzero | have you been to the grand canyon ? | 19:23 |
| superfly | Maaz: tell nsnzero No, I haven't been to the grand canyon (yet) | 20:26 |
| Maaz | superfly: Sure, I'll tell nsnzero on freenode | 20:26 |
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