[01:59] <Langjan> Hi just checking in on the sleep-less chat members - watching the cricket or a guilty conscience? Lol 
[04:47] <paddatrapper> T819%9!
[04:47] <paddatrapper> Apologies 
[04:47] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone 
[05:55] <inetpro> guten morgen
[05:56] <inetpro> paddatrapper: time to change that...
[05:56] <paddatrapper> inetpro: it was my fat fingers trying to pick up keys and my phone at the same time... 
[05:57] <inetpro> haha :-)
[06:12] <nsnzero> morning all
[06:23] <Langjan> G morning all
[06:24] <Langjan> how you doing Kilos ?
[06:33] <Kilos> morning Langjan nsnzero inetpro paddatrapper and others
[06:34] <Kilos> i am still ok ty Langjan how are you? hehe
[06:35] <nsnzero> hi Kilos Langjan 
[06:35] <Langjan> Good, also fine thks Kilos except I need your lifesaving skills
[06:35] <Langjan> hi nsnzero 
[06:35] <Kilos> speak to me oh old one
[06:36] <Kilos> dont make me swim 50 metres though
[06:37] <Langjan> Lmga. I tried to get my startup ubuntu logo back ended up editing grub GFX mode and got options that I did not know about
[06:37] <andrewlsd> Morning y'all
[06:37] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd 
[06:37] <Langjan> so I trid to reboot and landed up with graphics prob
[06:38] <Langjan> hi andrewlsd 
[06:38] <Kilos> ai! Langjan 
[06:38] <Langjan> huge screen but nothing works
[06:38] <Kilos> for starters why wasnt your startup logo there to start with
[06:38] <Langjan> running on laptop
[06:39] <Kilos> lets go through it slowly
[06:39] <Langjan> OK I did a frashinstall and the ogo was gone since then 
[06:39] <Langjan> It was after I went to 64 bit
[06:40] <Kilos> so what do you see on startup then
[06:40] <Langjan> just a blank screen
[06:40] <Kilos> ok lets try the aptitude reinstall route
[06:41] <Langjan> running on live dvd now but dnt thinkthat will help 
[06:41] <nsnzero> thats the plymouth screen -> shows the logo
[06:41] <Kilos> i need to learn what apt can do still
[06:41] <Kilos> ah nsnzero so where the logo went?
[06:42] <nsnzero> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
[06:42] <Kilos> Langjan ctrl+alt+F3 does what
[06:42] <nsnzero> i think its looking for a theme thats not there hence the blank screen 
[06:42] <Kilos> i wbb debs online
[06:42] <nsnzero> apt search plymouth will give you available themes
[06:43] <Kilos> nsnzero help oom jan please
[06:43] <Langjan> let me reboot first, on live dvd now
[06:44] <Langjan> ctrl+alt+f3 does nothing
[06:45] <nsnzero> ctrl+alt+function lets you change sessions 
[06:46] <Langjan> function?
[06:46] <nsnzero> F1 F2 F3 ... etc function keys
[06:47] <Langjan> they do nothing system seems dead just shows a screen with huge graphics
[06:47] <Kilos> you see a 
[06:47] <Kilos> um
[06:47] <Langjan> no cursor, no internet
[06:48] <Kilos> thing where you type commands
[06:48] <Kilos> cursor
[06:48] <Langjan> mouse pointer static
[06:48] <Kilos> prompt is the word im looking for
[06:48] <nsnzero> you need to reset grub - you have changed the gfx mode 
[06:48] <Kilos> go ahead ty nsnzero 
[06:49] <Langjan> thks nsnzero 
[06:49] <Langjan> how do I reset grub in nothing works?
[06:49] <nsnzero> just checking .... 
[06:49] <Kilos> cant you type commands even?
[06:50] <Langjan> nope
[06:50] <Langjan> no terminal opens
[06:50] <Kilos> ai!
[06:50] <nsnzero> how did you edit the grub config Langjan ?
[06:51] <Langjan> you mean what did I change? 
[06:51] <nsnzero> try changing the session with ctrl+alt+F1 , F2 , F3 .... 
[06:51] <Langjan> they are all not reacting
[06:52] <Langjan> screen just shows al startup apps in huge graphics and nothing is reacting
[06:52] <nsnzero> both Langjan .... but if you hold down the left shift key when booting - you will get the grub menu 
[06:52] <Langjan> ok let me try thks
[06:53] <nsnzero> do you remember what you changed ?
[06:54] <Langjan> gfx mode deleted the #  than added a line
[06:54] <Langjan> ok in grub now
[06:54] <Langjan> advanced options?
[06:56] <Langjan> looks like I can select an older kernel?
[06:57] <Langjan> yes I did that and all is back to normal, many thanks guys
[06:58] <nsnzero> pleasure 
[06:59] <Langjan> Enjoy your day nsnzero 
[07:00] <nsnzero> thanks Langjan  and you have a good day too 
[07:00] <Kilos> is it fixed
[07:01] <Langjan> yes thks Kilos 
[07:01] <Langjan> whats news from Oz?
[07:01] <Kilos> now listen
[07:01] <Kilos> they fine ty just stressing about my heart
[07:02] <Kilos> Langjan rule 1 dont try fix what isnt broken
[07:03] <Langjan> Good and thks, leave well enough alone is now my middle name
[07:03] <nsnzero> **** or ask first then make changes ****
[07:03] <Kilos> rule 2 before you try some advise from the internet come ask here and bring the link to where you getting the advise
[07:03] <Kilos> zlways ask here
[07:03] <Langjan> OK boss and lifesaver, will do
[07:03] <Kilos> always
[07:04] <Kilos> im happy you got it going, ty nsnzero 
[07:04] <Kilos> the oom does things that are beyong me
[07:04] <Langjan> That was Bing Crosby's song
[07:04] <Langjan> Always
[07:04] <Kilos> yes
[07:04] <Kilos> ill be helping you always 
[07:04] <Kilos> hehe
[07:05] <Langjan> Got to keep me going with something interesting - always
[07:05] <Kilos> i dont love you you too old and ugly
[07:05] <Kilos> but you a good friend
[07:05] <Langjan> Lmga, thinking how you will look when you get to 74
[07:05] <Kilos> oh and aking vits c 4 times a day
[07:06] <Langjan> Good boy!
[07:06] <Kilos> got 2 more bottles
[07:06] <Langjan> Feel the kick yet?
[07:06] <Kilos> no
[07:06] <Langjan> ai
[07:06] <Kilos> where must it kick?
[07:06] <Langjan> hardegat
[07:06] <Langjan> lmga
[07:06] <Kilos> hehe
[07:06] <Langjan> ok going for breakfast lekker daggie
[07:06] <Kilos> ian felt it quick but nothing works on me in a short while
[07:07] <Kilos> enjoy
[07:07] <Kilos> have a good day
[07:07] <Langjan> thks and keep it up until you feel kick
[07:07] <Kilos> where?
[07:07] <Langjan> jy ook my lifesaver
[07:07] <Langjan> in the backside where else?
[07:08] <Kilos> lmga there no pain there man
[07:08] <Kilos> go eat
[07:08] <Kilos> haha
[07:08] <Langjan> wil be when it kicks
[07:08] <Langjan> lmga
[07:08] <Langjan> moi loop
[07:08] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[07:36]  * andrewlsd lurks
[07:38] <nsnzero> hi andrewlsd 
[07:38] <nsnzero> kilos correct me if i am wrong but didnt you once stay in toti ?
[07:41] <Kilos> yes nsnzero about 30 years ago
[07:44] <nsnzero> thanks for the update Kilos 
[07:45] <nsnzero> i need to get more people from  durban to be involved in ubuntu
[07:46] <Kilos> there were a feww there
[07:47] <Kilos> vince0 is there and wwk
[07:47] <Kilos> you could still find buntu users in dbnlug as well
[07:50] <nsnzero> dbnlug is inactive from the last time i checked
[08:05] <Kilos> try find vince0
[08:06] <Kilos> he is on G+ iirc
[08:06] <Kilos> and william walter kinghorn has many things going in durbs
[08:13] <magellanic> hi lurker, I mean andrewlsd :P
[08:34] <Kilos> hi magellanic 
[08:37] <magellanic> hi Kilos 
[08:44] <nsnzero> yesterday i spent a few hours in #unbuntu-za - wondering why no one was chatting 
[08:46] <andrewlsd> inetpro: no Maaz today? I may have missed the discussion, but is Maaz been repaired/replaced?
[08:59] <nsnzero> andrewlsd: there was talk of upgrading maaz
[09:00] <Kilos> been missing in action some days now iirc
[09:01] <Kilos> i can bring a loan bot here
[09:01] <Kilos> QA coffee on
[09:01]  * QA starts grinding coffee
[09:02] <nsnzero> no siri or cortana ? lol 
[09:05] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:37] <nsnzero> guys is there a program like emacs with common key binding like ctrl+s to save ctrl+c to copy 
[09:45] <nsnzero> found a keybinding called Ergoemacs - GNU Emacs for people who did not grow up with emacs
[09:45] <andrewlsd> ^ that sounds like a question for theblazehen
[09:46] <andrewlsd> QA: tell magellanic hi there. sorry I missed you
[09:46] <QA> andrewlsd: I don't know who magellanic is. Say 'magellanic on freenode' and I'll take your word that magellanic exists
[09:46] <andrewlsd> QA: tell magellanic on freenode hi there. sorry I missed you
[09:46] <QA> andrewlsd: Sure, I'll tell magellanic on freenode
[09:46] <theblazehen> Hi. nsnzero look at the CUA keys option
[09:46]  * andrewlsd basks in the awesomeness of theblazehen
[09:46] <theblazehen> If you use the menu bar, options -> Use CUA keys
[09:46] <theblazehen> heh
[09:46] <andrewlsd> fortunately _there is no charge for awesomess_
[09:47] <theblazehen> It's right in the menus
[09:47] <andrewlsd> _or attractiveness_
[09:47] <theblazehen> lol
[09:47]  * andrewlsd looks at several menus
[09:47]  * andrewlsd does not see CUA anywhere
[09:48] <nsnzero> installing emacs now to try it out
[09:48]  * andrewlsd puts down menus from Spur, Nandos and 
[09:48] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Have you looked at spacemacs? Does a lot of the hard work for you
[09:48]  * andrewlsd <insert_restaurant_name_here>
[09:48]  * theblazehen uses it
[09:49] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Try going to a restaurant that RMS frequents?
[09:49] <nsnzero> theblazehen:  i checked it out but you need emacs24 installed first 
[09:49] <theblazehen> nsnzero: And you can't use emacs24?
[09:49] <theblazehen> Which version do you have?
[09:50] <nsnzero> i have no version installed yet - downloading now 
[09:50] <theblazehen> Yeah. But spacemacs is easier than starting with an empty init.el
[09:51] <nsnzero> was checking it out last night - but the key binding in emacs left me wondering 
[09:51]  * theblazehen doesn't really know any lisp... But if you don't want to learn lisp to configure your text editor, spacemacs is great
[09:51] <theblazehen> yeah. It's as easy as clicking the option in the menu
[09:52] <theblazehen> spacemacs has emacs or vim keybindings, with option for CUA
[09:52] <theblazehen> Takes like 3 seconds to start spacemacs though :/ But if you use emacsclient it's not too bad
[09:53] <theblazehen> Emacsclient causes issues when you use neotree in multiple frames though, and I just use vim for quick edits
[09:54] <nsnzero> i dont know what emacsclient is theblazehen 
[09:55] <theblazehen> nsnzero: You can run emacs as a daemon if you don't want to wait the 2 - 10 seconds for it to start up
[09:55] <nsnzero> will spacemacs run in terminal ?
[09:55] <theblazehen> These days I just deal with the little wait, since I generally use it for long running sessions
[09:55] <theblazehen> Yeah, just pass it the option to run in console
[09:56] <theblazehen> Terminal is very limited in terms of keys that can be entered 
[10:01] <nsnzero> currently i am using nano  - serves its purpose - but emacs is something i want to play with 
[10:01] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Yeah, go for spacemacs. It does all the basic stuff for you
[10:02] <theblazehen> nsnzero: I really love https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/emacs#TRAMP
[10:04] <nsnzero> error: Package `package-build-' is unavailable
[10:08] <nsnzero> emacs --insecure cures the above probllem
[10:23] <nsnzero> so many other issues with spacemacs
[10:25] <theblazehen> How so?
[10:29] <nsnzero> helm giving me errors
[10:29] <nsnzero> spacemacs helm-ag :init: Symbol's function definition is void:
[10:33] <theblazehen> Tried closing it and opening it again?
[10:33]  * theblazehen sometimes needs to do that after editing certain bits of the config file etc, live reload doesn't always work
[10:35] <nsnzero> 5 times restarted still the same
[10:37] <theblazehen> Hmm. No issues for me. emacs version?
[10:37] <nsnzero> welcome back Maaz
[10:37] <andrewlsd> Hello Maaz
[10:37] <nsnzero> emacs24
[10:38] <andrewlsd> Maaz: segfault
[10:38] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Huh?
[10:38] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Are you looking for a "text editor", or a bit more of a full development environment?
[10:38]  * andrewlsd was just checking
[10:38] <nsnzero> how do i close windows/buffers ?
[10:38] <theblazehen> <space> w will give you a window menu
[10:38] <nsnzero> test editor but if it offers more - i will take it 
[10:38] <theblazehen> In vim mode I just :q
[10:39] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: https://xkcd.com/371/
[10:39] <theblazehen> nsnzero: tip: If you want to do something, and can't find it in the menu, <spacw> : 
[10:39] <theblazehen> then type what you're looking for
[10:40]  * theblazehen still doesn't know where comment-region is in the menu
[10:40] <theblazehen> eg, <spc> : kill win gives me "kll-buffer-and-window"
[10:41] <theblazehen> Amazing how much there is
[10:41] <theblazehen> https://github.com/tkf/emacs-ipython-notebook/wiki/Screenshots is amazing
[10:42] <theblazehen> http://termbin.com/xnhl my .spacemacs
[10:43] <theblazehen> and new-frame creates a new window (as managed by your window manager, not a window inside emacs)
[10:44] <theblazehen> hi jerit
[10:44] <jerit> o/
[10:44] <jerit> how goes
[10:44] <theblazehen> Good and you jerit?
[10:44] <jerit> can't complain much :P
[10:44] <jerit> currently just trying to figure out wtf I'm supposed to put on a landing page for my Adwords ads
[10:45] <theblazehen> heh. Someone asks a north korean guy how he's doing. "Can't complain" he says
[10:45] <jerit> lol
[10:45] <andrewlsd> lol
[10:46] <andrewlsd> jerit: I dunno maybe just add some words ;-P
[10:46] <jerit> maybe I must log in to the mailing service that planet fitness uses and see what their emails look like since I forgot since I left that company 4 years ago
[10:47] <jerit> (they haven't changed their login credentials in all that time)
[10:47] <jerit> maybe that'll help
[10:47] <theblazehen> jerit: goatse.ch/ (Maybe a little nsfw. Depending on how nsfw a little ascii can be)
[10:48] <jerit> theblazehen: what concerns me most about that is that someone paid for that domain and took the time to make that into ascii art
[10:50] <theblazehen> heh
[10:51] <theblazehen> So I encoded the "Don't copy that floppy" video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI) so that it is 1352 KB. Aka, I can now copy that floppy. https://linx.li/bidm4bzq.mkv
[10:52] <theblazehen> opus + x265 / HEVC
[10:52] <nsnzero>  i gave up on emacs
[10:52] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Maybe give vanilla emacs a go?
[10:52] <nsnzero> tried vanilla as well - learning curve to steep 
[10:53] <nsnzero> i need a something a little better than nano 
[10:53] <theblazehen> I got a "watchable" video in 22.77 kbit/s
[10:53] <theblazehen> nsnzero: I've heard good things about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Own_Editor
[10:54] <theblazehen> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ne_(text_editor) has "normal" key bindings as well, and a menu bar
[10:57] <nsnzero> midnight commander is a text editor as well !
[10:57] <theblazehen> nice
[11:00] <andrewlsd> anyone know whether there is an alternative command to `tree` that does pretty much the same thing, but perhaps with additional options?
[11:01] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: yeah, mc ftw
[11:04] <nsnzero> mc reminds me of wordperfect 
[11:04] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: What are you looking for?
[11:05] <andrewlsd> ? looking for?
[11:05] <nsnzero> what do you want tree to do ?
[11:05] <andrewlsd> oh. just what tree does. 
[11:06] <andrewlsd> but I was wondering whether there was some other built-in or something like that that might do the same role, but have a different name.
[11:06] <nsnzero> tree print directories in a tree format
[11:06] <andrewlsd> e.g like mail vs mailx
[11:06] <andrewlsd> yip, and that is what I wanted to do (print directories in a tree format)
[11:07] <nsnzero> cp tree treex ?
[11:07] <andrewlsd> was just curious, every so often one comes across alternatives. looking for `serendipity`
[11:07] <andrewlsd> lol nsnzero
[11:08] <andrewlsd> or go hardcore....   edit the source s/tree/treex/ then package the deb as treex ; then upload to repo, and apt-get install treex
[11:08] <nsnzero> i was looking for program that print file listing in html format - tree does that - its pretty good 
[11:08] <pavlushka> nsnzero: tree and tee are two different command :p
[11:08] <pavlushka> *s
[11:09] <andrewlsd> btw, other examples that I was thinking of are `tar` vs `star` and `egrep` vs `grep`
[11:10] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: http://termbin.com/3rn2 :p
[11:10] <theblazehen> Also, grep -E iirc, and have you looked at bsdtar?
[11:13] <andrewlsd> TIL: `/proc/self`  like `cat /proc/self/status`  never knew about that before
[11:19] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: man 5 procfs :)
[11:20] <andrewlsd> TY theblazehen. 
[11:26] <inetpro> Maaz: wb
[11:26] <Maaz> Thank you so much inetpro my good good friend
[11:26] <inetpro> cocooncrash: thanks for fixing it/him/her again
[11:28] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: just played with creating the "unread" type view from Slack in Quassel by creating a chat view that only shows channels with new messages. works nicely
[11:29] <theblazehen> Nice. /me should actually set up a monitor view for busy slack groups with quassel
[11:38] <cocooncrash> inetpro: np
[12:20] <nsnzero> have a good afternoon everyone
[12:24] <jerit> inetpro wasn't I arguing with you several months ago about my own auth that I rolled on a website?
[12:25] <jerit> no that was someone called inetpro_madness
[12:27]  * inetpro shakes head in confusion
[12:28] <pavlushka> good afternoon
[13:11] <andrewlsd> hi pavlushka 
[13:11] <andrewlsd> hi inetpro 
[13:12] <pavlushka> Hello andrewlsd :)
[13:12] <pavlushka> yes hi inetpro :p
[14:31] <Squirm_> Hiya
[14:32] <Kilos> hi Squirm_ 
[14:33] <Kilos> oooo yay return of the bot
[14:33] <Kilos> QA leave #ubuntu-za
[14:34] <Kilos> ty inetpro and cocooncrash 
[14:34] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[14:34]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:51] <inetpro> Kilos: sounds like the title of a movie
[14:52] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:52] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[14:52] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[14:53] <Kilos> i still gotta find which character makes that o with dots above
[15:17] <chesedo> Kilos: <right alt> + ; + o = ö
[15:18] <chesedo> if your keyboard has the sa layout
[15:19] <chesedo> in fact <right alt> + ; + <most letters> = ä | ë | ï | ö | ü | ẅ | ẗ | ÿ | .......
[15:56] <jerit> Kilos sudo rm -rf /
[16:14] <Kilos> ¸¸ö
[16:14] <Kilos> yooooo hooo ty guys
[16:14] <Kilos> whats the rm command fo , to remove what
[16:15] <Kilos> sorry i took so long, had to strip fan and lube the bushes because peeps dunno what fosphore bronze is
[16:16] <Kilos> anymore
[16:21] <Kilos> jerit what is the remove command for?
[16:21] <Kilos> remove root?
[16:22] <jerit> yeah supposed to have been a joke
[16:23] <Kilos> hahaha thats dangerous with me i do stupid things and trust everyone here
[16:23] <Kilos> so dont expect commands that will kill my system
[16:35] <chesedo> Kilos: see how easy it is to remember too... the ; key has the double dots too...
[16:43] <inetpro> jerit: don't be evil
[16:45] <jerit> its not that evil nowadays anyway since there's protection against doing this... I tried it once
[17:09] <nsnzero> evening guys 
[18:11] <magellanic> google cloud next17 event livestream, for anyone interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_K1YoMHpbk
[18:11] <magellanic> a bit late sorry
[19:13] <superfly> hi hi
[19:15] <nsnzero> good morning / evening superfly 
[19:15] <superfly> afternoon, actually, it's 12:15
[19:16] <nsnzero> oh - 9 hours difference
[19:17] <magellanic> hi superfly 
[19:17] <superfly> nsnzero: yes. And always 9. Arizona is one of the few states which doesn't do DST
[19:17] <superfly> hey magellanic
[19:23] <nsnzero> have you been to the grand canyon ?
[20:26] <superfly> Maaz: tell nsnzero No, I haven't been to the grand canyon (yet)
[20:26] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell nsnzero on freenode