[08:28] <desrt> word.
[08:29]  * desrt doesn't even know why she tries before 10
[08:29] <didrocks> because there is always a little didrocks (but sometimes busy in meetings or discussions)!
[08:29] <didrocks> hello desrt
[08:30] <desrt> hey didrocks :)
[08:33] <desrt> how are you sleeping these days? :)
[08:33] <didrocks> sleeping well during the week :) less the week-end as I'm charge of night shifts
[08:34] <desrt> :)
[08:34] <desrt> that's only fair
[08:34] <didrocks> but we are really lucky, apart from a small cry when he's hungry, he doesn't cry at nights
[08:34] <didrocks> so, just has to wake up now once
[08:34] <didrocks> (still short nights, but good enough ;))
[08:34] <flocculant> didrocks: I find that totally unfair after my own experiences ...
[08:34] <flocculant> :)
[08:35] <didrocks> flocculant: ahah :)
[08:35] <didrocks> yeah, I guess there are things you can't control
[08:35] <didrocks> and you are lucky or not :p
[08:35] <didrocks> (but things can change anytime apparently, so touching woods)
[08:35]  * flocculant resorted to a touch of brandy in milk on at least 1 occasion :p
[08:36] <didrocks> :)
[08:36]  * desrt grabs a piece of paper and starts writing down these tips from experienced parents
[08:37] <didrocks> don't call me "experienced" yet :)
[08:37] <didrocks> (don't know if you can call anyone experienced anyway :p)
[08:38] <flocculant> well - first one is practise anyway - write your own baby manual time :D
[08:38] <flocculant> oops - lets not do that next time :)
[08:38] <didrocks> hehe, yeah, we already have our list of things to avoid doing :p
[08:48] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[08:51] <duflu> tjaalton: Hey, should I assume that 17.04 final will use Xorg 1.19?
[08:51] <duflu> (in other words move all Xmir development to the 1.19 branch)
[08:52] <tjaalton> duflu: yes
[08:52] <tjaalton> I'm prepping it on a ppa
[08:52] <duflu> tjaalton: Thanks. And good luck :)
[08:52] <tjaalton> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/ubuntu/x-staging/+packages
[08:52] <tjaalton> just need to finish the video driver rebuilds
[08:57] <ksamak> Trevinho: hi. I've been wondering about that coding style
[08:58] <ksamak> Trevinho: you enforce it also for ifs? I really have some problems reading that style sometimes, where does that come from? Does spilsbury prefer that?
[09:00] <ksamak> and that indentation level, what's the logic for that? i've tried to keep it up in files i was modifying, but it's really a pain
[09:00] <ksamak> Trevinho: how can i set that up in vim XD ?
[09:02] <Laney> what's upppppppppppppppppppppp
[09:03] <ksamak> Trevinho: lastly, for the timer issue, i've commented that three times, i haven't had any answer, here: I tried optionGetActivateAtStartup() in the constructor, but I think GSettings aren't initialized yet if the object isn't constructed.
[09:03] <ksamak> The optionGetActivateAtStartup function only returns default value (0) if placed in constructor, or in function called by constructor. I don't know of any other mean to bypass this except a timer.
[09:03] <ksamak> Trevinho: sorry, here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ksamak/compiz/showmouse_autostart_option/+merge/315652
[09:03] <didrocks> hey Laney, flexiondotorg!
[09:04] <flexiondotorg> didrocks o/
[09:09] <seb128> hey Laney flexiondotorg desrt
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> seb128 Laney desrt o/
[09:12] <Laney> HEY DIDROCKS! HEY SEB!"*! HEY FLEXIONDOTORG!
[09:14] <desrt> hi laney, seb :)
[09:17] <Laney> YEEEEEEEAH HI DESRT
[09:17] <desrt> laney's keyboard is sticky this morning
[09:19] <flocculant> desrt: STICKY surely :p
[09:19] <desrt> it's the waffles
[09:20] <TheMuso> seb128, Laney: Thanks for your help the other day. Tracked down the issue, and its lightdm related. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1670933 I'm sure Robert will get to it in the next few weeks.
[09:25] <seb128> TheMuso, hey, nice that you figured it out
[09:29] <Laney> zomg
[09:29] <TheMuso> seb128: Yeah twas a head scratcher thats for sure.
[10:09] <bdrung_work> hi, my keyboard mapping in Ubuntu 16.10 is somehow broken. some keypresses result in a buttonpress event (that shows the 'xev'). when using the guest session, everything is okay. any advice where to look for a broken configuration? which component is responsible for the keymapping?
[10:10] <bdrung_work> here is the output of xev: http://paste.debian.net/918916/
[10:36]  * Laney invokes tjaalton ^- :P
[10:38] <tjaalton> well I don't know how unity messes it up ;)
[10:38] <tjaalton> or u-s-d/u-c-c
[10:38] <tjaalton> if the guest session is fine that is
[10:39] <bdrung_work> yeah! i finally found it. open unity-control-center -> universal access -> pointing and clicking -> mouse keys -> disable control the pointer using the keypad
[10:39] <tjaalton> ha
[10:39] <bdrung_work> i don't know how i could have accidentially enabled it
[10:44] <bdrung_work> another issue (which can be reproduced in a guest session): when clicking on an item in the global application menu, the menu entry opens. when moving the mouse to the left or right, the initial menu entry stays open (instead of showing the menu entry below the mouse). is that a know issue? if not, which package should i file the bug against?
[10:46] <Laney> start with unity
[10:46] <Laney> not known to me, but search Launchpad first I guess
[11:03] <bdrung_work> okay. reported the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1671432
[11:33] <Laney> bdrung_work: thanks
[11:33] <Laney> Trevinho / andyrock: ^- might be interested in that one
[11:33]  * Laney goes to make some coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:37] <andyrock> bdrung_work Laney : this is likely due to Trevinho's xi2 changes
[11:37] <andyrock> let's see if he can take a look
[11:41] <Laney> ok
[11:41] <Laney> and morning andyrock
[11:41] <andyrock> morning all
[11:41] <andyrock> :D
[11:41] <andyrock> and morning Laney
[11:41] <Laney> how's it going?
[11:42] <andyrock> working on chromium :D
[11:42] <Laney> sorry for your loss
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> chromium's not too bad to work with ;)
[12:08] <jbicha> Laney: could you look into sponsoring humanity-icon-theme and adwaita-icon-theme today?
[12:09] <Laney> I already am looking at humanity right this second
[12:09] <jbicha> cool :)
[12:17] <ximion> Laney: can you push the tags you made on the appstream-glib repo to the server? ;-)
[12:18] <Laney> ok
[12:18] <ximion> also, new asgen release, fixing a couple of issues
[12:18] <Laney> it emails me about commits
[12:18] <Laney> or tags or something
[12:18] <Laney> pushed
[12:19] <ximion> I'll also bring back the "show" command from the old dep11gen soon, so one can show all information asgen has about a package - the nautilus-plugin thing was a bit scary
[12:19] <Laney> remote: fatal: Invalid revision range 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000..5f9617bc3f1bf5557b4b94b618c0a46d3c802b3d
[12:19] <Laney> WHAT
[12:19] <Laney> not pushed
[12:19] <ximion> ehhh....
[12:20] <ximion> oh, that must be your subscription settings then, I never get mail - but tbh, Github mail has been broken for me for a while (it either sends no mail or batch-sends a large chunk of ancient mail at some random point where I already read & closed issue reports)
[12:20] <Laney> wtf
[12:20] <Laney> does seem to have pushed something
[12:21] <ximion> for the Git issue: try again? :P
[12:21]  * ximion doesn't see Laney's changes at https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-packagekit/appstream-glib.git
[12:24] <Laney> I do
[12:24] <Laney> exp branch
[12:36] <ximion_> Laney: indeed - refresh is nice ^^
[12:36] <ximion_> now that the tag is there, I hope the tracker will stop nagging about it being missing :P
[12:36] <ximion_> thanks!
[12:38] <ximion> Laney: btw, a large chunk of asgen's processing time at Debian was rsyncing data to the public location - since we use a static server where data gets copied to anyway, this was completely unnecessary. With the "set your own export dirs" feature in the latest release, one run is now 20-30min faster
[12:38] <ximion> I expected some speed improvement, but this was a bit much ^^
[12:39] <Laney> O_O
[12:39] <jbicha> yeah, github email is inconsistent for me too, I get some but definitely not all emails for new comments on issues
[12:39] <Laney> does that much change each time?
[12:39] <Laney> btw branches were already pushed, just not tags
[12:39] <Laney> maybe it failed because of that weird error
[12:39] <Laney> I foudn the command in ctrl-r and re-ran it
[12:40] <ximion> ok
[12:41] <ximion> jbicha: I am thinking about disabling mailing, because it's more distractive than useful
[12:41] <ximion> I wonder if GH is aware of the issues
[12:41]  * ximion thought he was the only one
[12:42] <Laney> ximion: so setting the export dirs - will they be updated atomically?
[12:42] <Laney> launchpad rsyncs from us, so seeing an incomplete state there would be quite bad
[12:43] <ximion> Laney: they won't be updated atomically, unfortunately
[12:43] <ximion> so, in this case you won't get much from it...
[12:43] <Laney> although tbh I just do rsync --delete-after export/ public/ atm
[12:43] <Laney> so you could see half states already
[12:43] <ximion> Debian's server pushes data instead of having others pull data, so it's less of an issue
[12:43]  * Laney coughs
[12:44] <ximion> (dak pulls, however - maybe I need to rsync the data directory still, to be safe)
[12:44] <Laney> you could make it do an update-then-rename thing
[12:45] <ximion> for each html page this would be quite annoying - but possible
[12:45] <ximion> the old generator was doing this for data/hints, maybe it's worth to reintroduce that
[12:46] <Laney> or do something with hardlinks
[12:46] <ximion> for media, that effort isn't necessary (new data won't be read if the corresponding metadata file isn't there, and data is never modified in media/, only added/deleted)
[12:47] <ximion> yeah, I think write-then-rename for hints/data makes a lot of sense, and maybe it's easy for html too
[12:47]  * ximion added this to the todo list as low priority
[12:48] <Laney> interesting
[12:48] <Laney> is media deleted immediately?
[13:16] <Laney> jbicha: I get an arrow as the nautilus icon with the new packages
[13:16] <Laney> suspect it's the change in ubuntu-themes, looks like system-file-manager-panel from there
[13:17] <Laney> why are we doing this change? :/
[13:19] <jbicha> we're doing it because nautilus 3.24 is doing the change
[13:20] <Laney> that's not in zesty
[13:20] <jbicha> we could revert adwaita-icon-theme dropping the system-file-manager icon but that doesn't change the need to adapt to nautilus' icon anyway next cycle
[13:21] <Laney> you could do that, you could add symlinks in the new adwaita-icon-theme
[13:21] <jbicha> yes but like I said we'd have to do this change next cycle any way
[13:21] <Laney> I'm aware of that
[13:22] <Laney> but you wouldn't introduce bugs into zesty by doing that
[13:25] <ximion> Laney: no, media is only deleted when you do a cruft collection
[13:26] <ximion> that way, screenshots stay online for a while, in case people haven't updated their metadata yet
[13:26] <Laney> yeah, that's what I was getting at
[13:26] <Laney> I think the archives keep things around for a little while to avoid that problem
[13:26] <ximion> jup
[13:26] <ximion> there is a timeout on packages in the pool inside dak
[13:26] <ximion> I guess LP does the same
[13:53] <bdrung_work> Trevinho, regarding #1671432. do i have to restart something after changing that setting?
[13:54] <Trevinho> bdrung_work: no, it should apply instantly
[13:54] <Trevinho> it's the same as going to settings -> appearance -> behavior
[13:54] <bdrung_work> Trevinho, no, it doesn't change
[15:22] <Laney> Trevinho: weird, it happens on my desktop but not my laptop
[15:23] <Laney> if it's an XI2 problem, is that a mouse vs touchpad thing?
[15:23] <Trevinho> Laney: mhmh yeah, it might be...
[15:23]  * Laney starts ze VM
[15:23] <Trevinho> but in a VM....
[15:23] <Trevinho> mh
[15:23] <Laney> works in there
[15:41] <jbicha> Laney: could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu-themes/adapt-to-nautilus-324/+merge/319453
[15:48] <Laney> done
[17:47] <Laney> jbicha: I'm going to force push over the tag you created
[17:47] <Laney> for humanity
[17:48] <jbicha> Laney: please do, I pushed the tag before I got the rejection email that said I didn't have upload rights for it
[17:49] <Laney> done
[18:56] <willcooke> nighty night
[22:12] <cyphermox> jbicha: I'm sure you know already, but I think your gnome-shell is borken.
[22:14] <jbicha> cyphermox: mine isn't but I've heard reports that things broke for some people with 3.23.91
[22:14] <jbicha> what graphics hardware do you have?
[22:14] <jbicha> and weren't you using gnome-shell because Unity was broken?
[22:15] <cyphermox> Radeon HD 7950/8950
[22:16] <cyphermox> also, http://www.ur1.ca/qmb1b
[22:16] <jbicha> there's bug 1669374 and https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2354349
[22:17] <jbicha> but I think those reports are a bit jumbled, it would help if people would file new bugs at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gnome-shell
[22:17] <jbicha> if enough people file bugs, maybe the mutter/gnome-shell would not do whatever refactoring they did after the 3.23.90 Freeze
[22:18] <cyphermox> right
[22:18] <cyphermox> I'm not starting it via gdm though, gdm was failing to start, so lightdm is what starts gnome-shell right now
[22:19] <jbicha> because 3.23.90 worked for you, right? and did it break with mutter 3.23.91?
[22:19] <cyphermox> downgrading gnome-shell and gnome-shell-common fixes it
[22:19] <cyphermox> ah, is there new mutter too?
[22:19] <jbicha> did gdm work for you before mutter 3.23.91?
[22:19] <cyphermox> probably did, yeah
[22:20] <jbicha> mutter 3.23.91 landed in zesty about March 1
[22:20] <jbicha> but you're saying that gnome-shell 3.23.91 made things even worse?
[22:20] <cyphermox> yep
[22:21] <jbicha> you could also complain in #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org
[22:21] <cyphermox> let me scramble things up a bit more, I'll upgrade shell again, but downgrade mutter.
[22:21] <jbicha> you can't upgrade shell without mutter because mutter's api isn't exactly stable :|
[22:21] <jbicha> shell depends on NewStuff from mutter 3.23.91
[22:22] <cyphermox> of course.
[22:23] <jbicha> I don't experience the bug and I don't have graphics experience so I'm no help in getting this fixed
[22:33] <jbicha> cyphermox: I'm complaining in #gnome-shell now, but if you'd file a bug that would help
[22:34] <jbicha> yours is the first I've heard of radeon being affected
[22:52] <TheMuso> cyphermox: Good on ya for supporting AMD. :)
[22:52] <cyphermox> haha
[22:52] <cyphermox> TheMuso: this was just some card I could mine bitcoins with some time ago, and that plays games nicely.
[22:53] <cyphermox> a friend of mine wanted to check that out (bitcoins) and I was curious too
[22:53] <TheMuso> Fair enough. I'm buing AMD cards for desktop systems from now on because AMD are actually caring mroe than NVIDIA are about having free software drivers.
[22:53] <TheMuso> And thats important to me.
[22:53] <cyphermox> I just use whatever hardware I can find that does the job
[22:53] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[22:53] <cyphermox> but yeah, AMD tends to have nice drivers in general, if you don't care about freeness too much.
[22:53]  * TheMuso is looking forward to more notebooks with AMD GPU in the next year or so now that AMD are back in the CPU game.
[22:53] <cyphermox> aye
[22:54] <cyphermox> TheMuso: incidently, it's been a while since we'd been at a similar event :)
[22:58] <TheMuso> cyphermox: Indeed.