[21:16] ibeardslee: hey, did you know that you can configurate (at least some) lenovo laptops with no os on their site now? [21:17] in NZ? [21:17] got a link? [21:18] yeah [21:18] http://www3.lenovo.com/nz/en/laptops-for-home-deals/X1C5-NZ-CN3/p/20HRCTO1WWENNZ2?configuratorMode=compact#tab-customize [21:18] interesting [21:19] and more amazingly still, it actually saves a significant amount [21:19] yeah [21:20] to both [21:20] been chatting with Ascent, will find out if what they have done has 'caused this', their prices are also cheaper than Silicon, but I need to find out why. [21:20] enough to e.g. double the ram and uprate the CPU [21:21] hm it's only on that sku it seems [21:21] ah uh no, it's on the top two options, not the cheapest [21:21] there may be some others, Ascent have given us a bunch of options .. let me dig further [21:22] so you can get 16gb top end x1 no OS for about $3000 [21:22] not bad really [21:22] my 2yo x1 is still doing fine though [21:24] would be nice if my x1 supported nvme properly and not that bastardized ahci/m2 thing [21:29] only a 1yr warranty [21:33] or original X1s are still chugging along, although batteries are getting a bit tired now in the first gen (2013 ones) [21:33] s/^or/our/ [21:37] mwhudson: that's good to see, it's probably about time I replaced my laptop [21:38] "Our contact did actually discuss with his web team while getting the answers for us originally, so he says that as a result, they might be experimenting with re-introducing noOS on the high-end range. He said he wouldn’t expect this across the board though." [21:39] ibeardslee: hopefully it sticks this time [21:40] the problem with the high end range is that not everyone interesting in a linux laptop is able to afford a high end laptop [21:41] ajmitch: your zareason? [21:41] yeah, it's lasted fairly well [21:41] keyboard has some issues now though [21:42] mine is still working, but the bezel around the screen is now broken at the hinge [21:42] still has the retarded space bar [21:42] it's not just the space bar that has issues for me now [21:43] several of the keys, especially in the top area of the keyboard, require several key presses for it to register at times [21:43] mine is probably going to end up with the screen removed and attached to the TV as a 'media PC'. [21:44] my 9 year old laptop is still serving well in that role [21:44] my old HP laptop already does that [21:44] just not with the screen removed [21:44] screen backlight's dead, keyboard's iffy, and I had to resolder the power adapter cable [21:45] amazinly, the battery is still useful, despite being on charge continuously [21:46] the zareason's battery is still holding 2-3 hours of charge after 4+ years