[00:05] <Bashing-om> Some-one decided on a stay-at-home- job ! ( and done good for all )
[00:13] <OerHeks> oh?
[00:20] <Bashing-om> Old farm - back in operation as an archard . Going to work - climb on the tractor .
[00:42] <daftykins> :D
[01:34] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: 7 minutes ^^, that is an odd down time .
[01:44] <daftykins> o0
[03:22] <OerHeks> oh, my bad, i started reading news, and forgot to login
[03:26] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: I guess that excuse is as good as any other. Sometimes we all get just a tad behind :))
[03:28] <OerHeks> ... and after login i watched an episode of Elementary
[03:28] <OerHeks> :-D
[03:28] <OerHeks> nice question in ubuntu,, glucose meter software
[03:30] <daftykins> o0
[03:30] <daftykins> diabetics? funky
[03:30] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Good you could respond . Went clean over my head - my response average this session is horrible :(
[03:31] <OerHeks> but looking at the projects, no readme how to buikld it :-(
[03:31] <OerHeks> -k
[03:35] <Bashing-om> Still a bump in the right direction - will keep in mind such tools are availabale .
[03:36] <OerHeks> The meter itself does the job, this is just data software i guess
[03:36] <OerHeks> might as well be a libreoffice-plugin
[03:36] <OerHeks> connect-click-read-print-save
[03:40] <Bashing-om> just massaging data .// but how much else is there than a level reading ? a single data point - not much value there .
[03:41] <OerHeks> "Congress Warns Donald Trump: Stop Deleting Your Tweets" lolz
[03:45] <OerHeks> Where is lotuspsychje? it is 04:41 already ...
[03:48] <Bashing-om> He had 4 days off work .. maybe he went AWOL ( away with out leave ) ???
[03:49] <OerHeks> oh, no he is not that kind of person, AFAIK
[03:52] <daftykins> g'night guys, time for me to scoot
[03:52] <Bashing-om> Yeah .. would not be in character . Maybe he is sleeeping on for a change ?
[03:52] <Bashing-om> nite daftykins ' sleep well .
[03:53] <daftykins> cheers :>
[03:53] <OerHeks> nighty night daftykins
[04:02] <daftykins> oh, new kernel 3.13.0-112
[04:33] <Bashing-om> Thunderstorms ; shutting down .
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:21] <OerHeks> hi lotuspsychje
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey hey OerHeks
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> whats new?
[06:22] <alkisg> 'morning guys :)
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg glad you found your way back here :p
[06:23] <alkisg> Haha, it's for leisure time, when work is slow :D
[06:23] <OerHeks> new kernel, new chrome, new day
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> its updating ubuntu base here 7mb this morning
[06:23] <OerHeks> new grub
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> wikileaks news got on our local tv
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/wikileaks
[06:28] <OerHeks> mehh .. wikileaks is a hoax, probably Trump himself
[06:29] <OerHeks> i do not believe that sh*t leaked, all old stuff, propaganda
[06:29] <OerHeks> :-D
[06:29] <OerHeks> .. but i think i am the only one who thinks so ..
[06:30] <OerHeks> Anyone seen Assange lately ?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> nop
[06:34] <OerHeks> and i agree with this dude, Co² is not the problem, wifi and telephone and sattelite networks is the problem, a blanket that keeps us warm .. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/09/epa-scott-pruitt-carbon-dioxide-global-warming-climate-change
[06:34] <OerHeks> also he is the only one ...
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah its like a digital cage
[06:34] <OerHeks> it is logical .. trees need Co2
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> 11 million ppl on the run from climate change in africa
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/force-enable-firefox-52-npapi-support
[06:43] <OerHeks> oh nooo !!!
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/firefox-53-0-won-t-work-on-linux-pcs-with-cpus-older-than-pentium-4-amd-opteron-513716.shtml
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:45] <JanC> so, it won't work on 15yo PCs by default any more?
[06:46] <OerHeks> indeed, JanC
[06:46] <OerHeks> debian is stopping 32 bit in 2 years i read somewhere
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> i tryed to install 5 diff browsers on an old acer aspire
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> none of them wants to install
[06:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys shopping today
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one
[07:04] <ducasse> morning all
[07:05] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you?
[07:09] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[07:20] <lordievader> Doing good
[07:22] <ducasse> had your morning coffee yet?
[07:23] <lordievader> Having it now ;)
[07:23] <lordievader> You?
[07:24] <ducasse> working my way through first cup of tea :) after that, firmware upgrade of the router and ap :)
[07:31] <lordievader> Good luck.
[07:31] <lordievader> I'm busy with making my Puppet modules more Foreman friendly :)
[07:44] <ducasse> have fun with that :)
[07:45] <lordievader> Thanks :D
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[17:43]  * nacc is 40% convinced legordied is a troll
[18:50] <ducasse> EriC^^: this ecryptfs is learning the hard way why he's a complete idiot to be using disk encryption without backups...
[18:50] <EriC^^> :/
[18:51] <ducasse> the wrong block fails and it's all gone...
[18:52] <EriC^^> it's that sensitive? i had heard it's not block-sensitive
[18:53] <ducasse> EriC^^: does it store copies of the wrapped passphrase or something?
[18:54] <EriC^^> oh i get what you mean
[18:54] <EriC^^> the block that has the wrapped passphrase goes
[18:54] <EriC^^> thought you meant just some random bad sector or something and then it all crumbles
[18:54] <nacc> i mean, ecryptfs feels ancillary here -- always have backups because disks fail period
[18:55] <nacc> ecryptfs is maybe highly sensitive to a specific block, i suppose
[18:55] <ducasse> that was what i was trying to say initially :)
[18:56] <ducasse> i wouldn't think the underlying fs would know to try a backup if it can't read the passphrase.
[18:56] <EriC^^> i'm not exactly sure how it works, i dont think it needs any passphrase file
[18:57]  * nacc treats it like a blackbox and also has no idea how it works
[18:57] <EriC^^> i think what it usually does it use the user's login name, to wrap the actual passphrase on disk, so the username password can decrypt everything
[18:57] <ducasse> aiui it stores the crypto key encryped with your password on disk.
[18:57] <EriC^^> if you have the passphrase written down as you should, you can still decrypt it even if the block goes
[18:57] <EriC^^> yeah to make it easier to decrypt with just the login pass
[18:58] <EriC^^> not too sure, but that's what i think it works
[18:58] <ducasse> but you still need the actual key, i think. but who cares - backup all the things!
[18:58] <EriC^^> can you change the actual passphrase any time you want? or just the login pass that had it wrapped?
[18:58] <EriC^^> yeah, the key should be somewhere for sure
[18:59] <ducasse> the actual passphrase is random and you can only change your login password with the gui tools.
[18:59] <EriC^^> i think it's not sensitive to block damage then
[19:00] <ducasse> possible, but he should still have backed up. would be a whole lot easier than the mess he's in now.
[19:02] <EriC^^> oh yeah for sure
[19:02] <EriC^^> backups are a must always
[19:03] <ducasse> which reminds me, time to buy an extra backup disk. starting to get low on space.
[19:06] <EriC^^> i just thought about something
[19:06] <EriC^^> essentially ecryptfs is only as strong as your login password xD
[19:06] <EriC^^> if you have something silly there somebody could easily decrypt everything
[19:07] <ducasse> yep, as long as it's set up the standard ubuntu way.
[19:10] <nacc> EriC^^: right, i have mine setup with two distinct passwords unrelated to each other, which seems like the only sane way to really use it
[19:13] <ducasse> nacc: do you use it for all of ~ or just for something like ~/Private?
[19:15] <ducasse> i'm curious as to how you get prompted if all of your homedir is encrypted, and you don't use your login pw.
[19:18] <nacc> ducasse: whole disk, i'm realizing now
[19:19] <ducasse> ah, right.
[21:19] <OerHeks> tip 3 ... hmmm