[00:18] <lotuspsychje> good night to all
[00:33] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/new-firefox-53-compact-themes
[00:34] <lotuspsychje> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-17.04-X119-Mesa-1701
[00:37] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I earlier updated 17.04 and lost access to the GUI . ^^ Mesa may well be at fault .
[00:38]  * lotuspsychje will stick to lts
[00:40]  * nacc has had no problem with 17.04
[00:40] <Bashing-om> Oh 17.04 on a different drive ! .. Let me tell ya that having my primary on this SSD has spoiled me to anything other than a core install !
[00:40] <lotuspsychje> nacc: ubuntu desktop?
[00:40] <nacc> lotuspsychje: ubuntu gnome desktop
[00:40] <lotuspsychje> nacc: cool! any noticable changes?
[00:41] <nacc> lotuspsychje: off the top of my head? no :)
[00:41] <Bashing-om> the failure for me is on the 17.04 gnome desktop . Not messed a lot about it yet .
[00:41] <nacc> lotuspsychje: but i'm also not a super active desktop user, i'm 95% in the terminal
[00:41] <lotuspsychje> great
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> yobagme: hi
[02:38] <yobagme> Evening!
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> yobagme: welcome to the ubuntu discuss channel
[02:39] <yobagme> lotuspsychje: thank you. what are you all up to?
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> yobagme: for now doing some idling mostly :p
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu is rather calm atm
[02:42] <yobagme> ah, cool. doing some patching on my home servers since I forgot to get to it this morning
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> nice
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> yobagme: wich ubuntu version?
[02:50] <yobagme> lotuspsychje: Mix of FreeBSD, Ubuntu 16.04 & 14.04
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> cool
[02:53] <yobagme> lotuspsychje: what time is it where you
[02:53] <yobagme> re at?
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> 3h55
[02:57] <daftykins> blech cat is standing on my bladder
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys sleepy
[07:18] <ducasse> good morning all
[07:19] <Bashing-om> ducasse: \o . It is Friday and the trolls are ganging up on us .
[07:21] <ducasse> here it's now saturday morning. i noticed them in main, yes. that's what the weekend brings, unfortunately...
[07:23] <Bashing-om> Think now is a good time to investigate my dream state rather than the state of the trolls .
[07:24] <ducasse> get some sleep if you need it, at this time it's usually going to be quiet anyway.
[07:41] <baizon> nice, no firmware update for my ssd :)
[07:44] <ducasse> i know there are for the two in my desktop, but i have no windows to install them from.
[07:45] <baizon> yeah i hate that also
[07:45] <baizon> firmware upgrades... you need windows :/
[07:45] <ducasse> the enterprise drives from samsung has a linux updater, but not the consumer stuff.
[07:46] <ducasse> which i'm sure update in a *wildly* different manner...
[11:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:51] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj, all good in your corner of the world?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, yes, fine here and you?
[15:54] <ducasse> good here :) really nice weather today, went out for a walk earlier. i live halfway up a hill with a small wood at the top, really nice for walking.
[15:57] <BluesKaj> nice :-)
[15:57] <ducasse> a little baffled here, seems users should not be booting their systems post install and install packages from the repo :)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> a normal procedure that's causing problems then
[16:05] <ducasse> an update broke this guys wifi, and he gets told 'you installed packages, not going to help'. just thought that was a bit extreme, nobody mentioned third party stuff. *shrug*
[16:06] <BluesKaj> from where did he install the packages ?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> more than a bit extreme, totally wrong IMO if he installed from the repos
[16:07] <ducasse> he just did an apt update.
[16:08] <ducasse> 16:50 <tatertots> lysobit: you've already described something that was induced by the end users during your testimony.  you have already admit and acknowledge the symptom occurred post initial installation and after installing some new packages
[16:10] <BluesKaj> strangre attitude for sure, ..lots of words trying to imply wrong doing ...think he's trying to dance or tip toe way from being called on it
[16:11] <BluesKaj> marlarkey/baloney/BS in other words :-)
[16:11] <ducasse> "during your testimony"? lol :)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> hehe yeah
[16:12] <ducasse> nvm, maybe he's having a rough day. did you give up entirely on neon?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> yes, it wasn't to my liking ...wifi problems that I couldn't fix so I went back to jessie on the laptop
[16:36] <pavlushka> can anyone refer me to a world history channel? or answer this, what it means that a country has a tactical victory but strategic failure on a same battle and how so?
[16:38] <DJones> pavlushka: That sounds like a case were a county has won a battle, but lost the war
[16:38] <pavlushka> ty DJones :)
[16:39] <DJones> I could be wrong with that interpretation
[16:40] <ducasse> pavlushka: there is ##history, if that helps?
[16:44] <pavlushka> aha, thanks :)
[16:46] <ducasse> pavlushka: '/msg alis list *history*' told me ;)
[16:48] <pavlushka> ducasse: thanks again :)
[16:48] <ducasse> np :)
[16:48] <ducasse> BluesKaj: i'm still playing with arch, but haven't decided between it and debian sid yet.
[16:49] <ducasse> still use ubuntu on the laptop and server, though.
[17:02] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm sill testing kubuntu-zesty on another partition here
[17:02] <BluesKaj> and debian stretch on the other
[17:03] <ducasse> zesty is what's on my laptop, guess i'll use a spare ssd for sid on the desktop.
[17:04] <ducasse> i like arch a lot, but i must say i may have become too dependent on a lot of debian/ubuntuisms
[17:05] <BluesKaj> this pc has 4 partittions om the ssd and a swap on the hdd
[17:05] <BluesKaj> om=on
[17:07] <ducasse> i put separate distros on separate ssds and just add them to the uefi firmware.
[17:07] <BluesKaj> the hdd is an esata to sata connection with all the media files on it
[17:09] <ducasse> i don't think my new desktop has esata, actually. all media etc is on the zfs file server in the "server room" :)
[17:09] <ducasse> i use the term very loosely ;)
[17:11] <BluesKaj> esata is for outboard enclosures, but rather than use the slower usb i picked up an esata to sata cable for it
[17:13] <ducasse> probably wise, as you skip the sata-usb-sata conversion. not all of them support smart etc.
[17:16] <BluesKaj> the hdd is still portable, if needed .I plan to backup wife's pc with clonezilla one of these days to save all her game files etc in case her hdd fails
[17:17] <BluesKaj> it's getting old
[17:18] <BluesKaj> plan on replacing the hdd with a ssd in the near future anyway. I think it's time
[17:21] <ducasse> i don't think i've got any external drives, i rely entirely on the file server and remote backups.
[17:23] <ducasse> both my desktop and laptop are ssd only now, and it was definitely worth the money.