| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:51 |
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| ball | I'm starting to think I suck at this game. | 20:44 |
| daftykins | heya \o which game? | 20:47 |
| ball | xfreecell | 20:49 |
| daftykins | hrmm | 20:50 |
| * zmoylan-pi launches into another game of pixel dungeon... | 20:51 | |
| * ball hasn't seen that | 20:58 | |
| zmoylan-pi | a roguelike game on android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.watabou.pixeldungeon&hl=en | 21:00 |
| ball | hello marshmn | 21:13 |
| marshmn | hi | 21:14 |
| daftykins | \o | 21:14 |
| marshmn | is this a new channel welcoming service? | 21:14 |
| daftykins | yep, but the carpet is brown i'm afraid | 21:15 |
| marshmn | nice | 21:15 |
| penguin42 | yes that's the version 0.98 daftykins welcome bot | 21:15 |
| marshmn | maybe it will reach 1.0 just in time for the death of IRC | 21:19 |
| daftykins | woohoo | 21:19 |
| daftykins | i dunno about that, my robot arm is tired already | 21:19 |
| marshmn | I have too many different chat applications open all the time | 21:22 |
| marshmn | but I have to say, IRC is the one I use least these days... | 21:22 |
| daftykins | there are just too many out there, mmm | 21:23 |
| * penguin42 has one application that does many protocols | 21:23 | |
| marshmn | does it do Slack & Discord? | 21:23 |
| ball | penguin42: Is it pidgin? | 21:23 |
| daftykins | see i don't understand why both those exist | 21:23 |
| penguin42 | ball: Nod | 21:23 |
| ball | daftykins: NIH Syndrome, probably. | 21:24 |
| marshmn | daftykins: who knows, but they do | 21:24 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I understand why something other than irc exists; there are some things that newer protocols can do | 21:24 |
| marshmn | they are certainly richer (in UI/UX terms) | 21:25 |
| * penguin42 has his pidgin doing irc, aim (probably dead now), G hangouts and purple | 21:25 | |
| penguin42 | sorry, and Matrix | 21:25 |
| daftykins | hmm i think you can pin a fair chunk of that on your chosen client :> | 21:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | the big social news is that ms are shutting down so.cl... imagine having a less successful social netowrk than google... :-P | 21:25 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I've done some contributions to the purple matrix plugin | 21:26 |
| ball | zmoylan-pi: I hadn't even heard of that one. | 21:26 |
| daftykins | i've never heard of that | 21:26 |
| daftykins | i know libpurple underpins Pidgin but not familiar with matrix | 21:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | we do seem to have reached peak service were we now only hear about services as they are been shut down | 21:27 |
| daftykins | i used to use Pidgin on Windows before MSN finally got killed off :D | 21:27 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: see matrix.org; it's a distributed chat protocol | 21:27 |
| daftykins | eh it's ok, i don't need another one :> | 21:27 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Fully open | 21:27 |
| daftykins | text only? | 21:27 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: No, images, video, audio | 21:28 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: (Although the pigin doesn't do the video/audio yet) | 21:28 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Free clients for everything | 21:28 |
| daftykins | too many cooks :> | 21:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | you get a client; you get a client; you get a client | 21:29 |
| marshmn | don't expect daftykins to like it; he only likes stuff that's stuck in the past | 21:29 |
| daftykins | :D | 21:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | piffle.... he uses modern irc!! :-) | 21:30 |
| daftykins | nah i'm on skype! that's constantly getting updated :) | 21:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | hasn't touched a bbs in yonks... | 21:30 |
| daftykins | i never touched a BBS as it goes, skipped that one by | 21:30 |
| * ball lives on Fidonet | 21:30 | |
| ball | (and IRC) | 21:30 |
| marshmn | I'm soooo glad that I don't have to run Skype any more | 21:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | ooooh, i used to be on fidonet | 21:30 |
| ball | zmoylan-pi: Which zone? | 21:30 |
| marshmn | well, rarely have to run it anyway | 21:30 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: So specifically the nice things over irc are that you get no problems with multiple clients all logged in (e.g. phone/desktop/etc), you get images inline, and copes well with intermittent connectivity - e.g. bad wifi or switching from wifi to 3g and back | 21:31 |
| zmoylan-pi | i honestly couldn't tell you as i never used it once for communications... i joined a bbs in dublin and fidonet was part of that... but as i was only person i knew online at the time i didn't need the email | 21:31 |
| marshmn | one thing I like about Slack/Discord (and others) over IRC is that you can catch up on conversation that happened when you weren't connected | 21:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | well i use my rasp pi on 24x7 for that | 21:32 |
| penguin42 | marshmn: Right, matrix can do that as well | 21:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | and someone recently pointed out that news groups did the same thing pre slack | 21:32 |
| marshmn | yeah, Matrix sounds like a more open version of things like Slack | 21:32 |
| marshmn | fact is, if you had never used any of these things and you came to the internet for the first time and evaluated them all, you wouldn't pick IRC | 21:34 |
| marshmn | it's just too outdated compared to the others | 21:34 |
| marshmn | but | 21:35 |
| marshmn | the most important thing is the community - where people are | 21:35 |
| marshmn | and for some communities, like this one, they are still on IRC | 21:35 |
| marshmn | that's the only reason to keep it | 21:35 |
| daftykins | you know, as much as i know you're joking i resent the idea i'm doing anything outdated :( just because i don't care for inferior quality! | 21:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | irc runs very nicely on the dumbphones that i use with a java client... slack will never run on those phones | 21:35 |
| daftykins | did see talk spotify was going to go lossless though, curious what they're gonna use for that o0 | 21:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | wav :-P | 21:36 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: i don't think you can put a negative on a modern service for it not supporting antiques - that's simply not any kind of business sense | 21:36 |
| marshmn | zmoylan-pi: then get modern phone for christsakes | 21:36 |
| penguin42 | marshmn: irc does have some things going for it; it tends to be very resilient on a distributed set of servers, it's also very low bandwidth | 21:37 |
| marshmn | sure - but the world has moved on | 21:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | nokia releasing more antiques dominated the news from latest mobile trade show... they are not antiques... they are still useable devices | 21:38 |
| marshmn | it's not really an antique though is it... it's a modern phone in a case that looks like the old one | 21:38 |
| marshmn | and also, that was a marketing gimmick | 21:38 |
| penguin42 | marshmn: Yet you still find people running around like headless chickens because 'slack is down' | 21:38 |
| marshmn | lol | 21:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | the 3310 is an antique as it won't even run the java irc client i use sadly | 21:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | the resources slack uses on a desktop seems a little high for what it is from the complaints i read online | 21:39 |
| marshmn | it's fine, I'm not here to convince you | 21:39 |
| marshmn | stick with IRC | 21:39 |
| zmoylan-pi | this is an industry that tries to reinvent a better wheel every few years and rarely succeeds | 21:40 |
| marshmn | you can all sit in a shed somewhere and pretend that it's the year 1998 | 21:40 |
| marshmn | I really don't care :) | 21:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | 1988 and my vax runs fine :-D | 21:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | slack will go away and irc will persist | 21:40 |
| ball | irc ftw. | 21:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | in technology very occasionly some things outlast their supposed successors... irc is one of those technologies | 21:42 |
| marshmn | it's hit the peak I'm afraid | 21:43 |
| marshmn | only downward from here | 21:44 |
| marshmn | http://irc.netsplit.de/tmp/networks/stats-freenode-history-uc.png | 21:44 |
| * ball waves a paw | 21:44 | |
| ball | IRC works for me. | 21:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | will never hit 0. some group/mob will always find it too useful | 21:44 |
| marshmn | sure | 21:44 |
| marshmn | it's had a good run | 21:45 |
| marshmn | but things move on | 21:45 |
| marshmn | IRC didn't keep up with the times | 21:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | for me it passes the muppet test... you have to learn how to set up a client if you really want to use irc and that keeps out the riff raff :-) | 21:45 |
| penguin42 | irc's big problem is it's bad at intermittent connectivity, which with people using phones and tablets more is a pain | 21:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | i really must configure my rasp pi for connecting to it when i'm out and about on dumbphone... let the pi do the constant connection and scrollback for irc | 21:47 |
| ball | penguin42: VNC helps with that. | 21:59 |
| marshmn | lol | 22:01 |
| penguin42 | ball: Using a text protocol over VNC is evil | 22:01 |
| * penguin42 bounces ball into the 3rd circle of hell for that | 22:02 | |
| marshmn | or just use a protocol that doesn't need all these workarounds :) | 22:02 |
| ball | penguin42: You could use screen too, if you're a masochist. | 22:05 |
| penguin42 | ball: Well, that's what you should be using for a text protocol - or an irc bouncer | 22:06 |
| marshmn | or Slack. | 22:06 |
| penguin42 | no, definitely shouldn't be using slack | 22:06 |
| marshmn | :) | 22:06 |
| marshmn | depends where your community is | 22:06 |
| marshmn | Slack, Discord, Gitter | 22:07 |
| ball | In my case I have some unrelated graphical stuff to run too, so VNC was the right solution. | 22:07 |
| penguin42 | oh in that case I'll move you upto the 2nd level of hell | 22:07 |
| ball | Thanks! I levelled up! ;-) | 22:08 |
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