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SilverCodeK_K_N: if you just unplug the modem and plug it back in does it work (ie. done reboot)05:48
SilverCodeK_K_N: we've had problems of 3G data connections being lost even though they are "connected", and we had to power cycle the modem05:48
magespawngood morning06:22
K_K_Nhi SilverCode, nope unplug and replug does not make a difference it says its connected shows me an ip address, etc but no internet, emails, irc, etc although skype seems to be connected cause its icon goes green06:55
nsnzeromorning all07:03
K_K_Nsorry power tripped there07:23
K_K_Nso anybody has any ideas?07:23
K_K_Nor at least a work around to get my internet connected again without rebooting?07:23
K_K_NI have searched the net could not find anything that was specific to my device mostly wireless card issues and most for older versions of ubuntu07:26
nsnzeromorning K_K_N 07:28
K_K_Nmorning nsnzero 07:28
K_K_Nyep still having the issue07:28
nsnzerodoes it go off randomly or when the pc sleeps ?07:28
K_K_Nseems randomly cause last night all the way to this morning I was actively using the machine and the internet and internet was lost but modem light is blue and constant as if still connected and connectivity status says connected07:30
K_K_Nalthough the skype icon remained green as if it was connected although I cannot be 100% sure I have no contacts that would have been online at that time07:31
K_K_Nbut nothing else07:31
K_K_Nhad to reboot07:32
nsnzeroi use cellc as well - sometimes i get no connectivity / traffic even though i am connected - then everything works normal except irc chats dont update07:33
nsnzerobut if rebooting solves the problem i doubt its network related like mine07:34
K_K_Nso you thinking problem with Ubuntu configuration?07:34
nsnzerowhat kernel version you using ? uname -r in terminal will tell you07:35
K_K_N4.4.0-66-generic07:36
K_K_Nbut is it possible that everything else can loose connection and only skype have connectivity?07:38
K_K_Nit seemed like that07:38
andrewlsdplease post output of...07:39
nsnzeroits the first time i heard this happen07:40
andrewlsdip r07:40
andrewlsdwhen you are connected07:40
nsnzerohi andrewlsd 07:40
K_K_Nhi andrewlsd 07:40
andrewlsdare you connected simultaneously to LAN or wifi perhaps?07:40
K_K_Nat the moment all is working so will the results of ip r be helpful?07:40
andrewlsdprobably07:41
nsnzerohe is using a usb dongle 07:41
K_K_Nandrewlsd, yes just the USB dongle, no cable plugged in and Wireless is switched off07:41
andrewlsdk. the K_K_N07:42
K_K_Nandrewlsd, I sent you a private message with the output07:43
andrewlsdI have seen in the past, that NetworkManager sometimes says my mobile device is connected once the PP link is "up" but before it receives an IP addres.07:43
andrewlsdresulting in zero traffic being sent.07:43
andrewlsdThat seemed to happen when the USB dongle had picked up a network, but was hunting for "better" carrier options. eg. it had found Vodacom Edge, but was looking for HSPA and/or busy switching to HSPA when I clicked connect.07:44
* andrewlsd is *still* fighting with storage + oVirt07:45
* andrewlsd goes away07:45
K_K_Nhmm... interesting, and how long did you wait before you had connectivity?07:45
nsnzerospent half the night customizing my zsh prompt with battery meter network address and wifi essid - and a real time clock 07:46
nsnzeroK_K_N: are you running the driver that come with the usb ?07:48
K_K_Nnope I tried what was on the blog link you sent me and installed that software but I guess that software is not compatible with 16.04 it kept failing07:49
K_K_Nso I undid everything07:49
K_K_Nand now ubuntu is seeing it as it was before I changed anything and I am connecting using the mobile broadband connection ubuntu created07:50
nsnzeromaybe updating the kernel will help - you can switch kernels if there is a problem 07:50
K_K_Nok what is the latest kernal cause I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS07:51
K_K_Nusing that cause I also use this laptop for work related as well07:51
nsnzeroi am on 16.04 using 4.8.0-41-generic07:52
K_K_Nok cool and we will still receive the regular updates that are released?07:53
K_K_Nhow do update only the kernal?07:53
andrewlsdK_K_N: using the "mobile broadband connection ubuntu created" is usually the best way.07:55
andrewlsdusually additional connectivity software is not required.07:55
andrewlsdK_K_N: to update kernel check your software updates, and select the available kernel updates.07:56
K_K_Nok so installing the software for the device you say will not make a difference07:56
K_K_NI thought mybe if I installed the software for the dongle that might resolve the issue07:56
andrewlsdK_K_N: usually the only thing that makes a difference is an edit to usb_modeswitch config file. Which if you look in some of the software packages that the provider gives  you, probably contains  some usb_modeswitch config07:57
nsnzeroaa10507:57
andrewlsdK_K_N: on Linux you _rarely_ install drivers directly from vendor07:57
nsnzeroK_K_N: you in good hands andrewlsd will help 07:58
andrewlsdusually, you can watch what is happening to the device by looking at the system log whilst you plug in the device. 07:58
nsnzerochat later guys 07:58
andrewlsdfor example07:58
* andrewlsd goes to find USB dongle08:00
* andrewlsd finds it08:00
K_K_Nok thanks andrewlsd let me check that, where the system logs located maybe I might see something that can give me a clue of where to start08:00
inetprogood mornings08:01
K_K_Nmorning inetpro08:01
andrewlsdwatches system log with `sudo journalctl -f`08:01
andrewlsdK_K_N: that produces output as shown here: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmg5rcn08:02
inetproandrewlsd: what is wrong with tail?08:02
andrewlsdinetpro: nothing. `journalctl` is just standard with systemd stuff08:02
andrewlsdso `sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog` should produce the same output08:02
andrewlsdK_K_N: that output shows errors because I didn't have a SIM card in the dongle08:03
inetproandrewlsd: sorry that was meant to be a rhetorical question08:04
andrewlsdif you see `usb_modeswitch` in the log, thats a good thing.08:04
K_K_Nthat looks like a good command, is it giving me real time logs here?08:04
andrewlsd:-) inetpro. I've not had enough sleep to be able to detect rhetorical :-(08:04
* andrewlsd goes away again to check on oVirt08:04
inetproandrewlsd: what version of oVirt are you running?08:05
K_K_NI think I will go get coffee and check if my connectivity is still active when I get back08:05
K_K_Nbrb08:06
andrewlsdinetpro: it's RHEV 3.6 actually08:10
andrewlsdK_K_N: yes, those are realtime logs08:10
andrewlsdK_K_N: thanks for the DM with the route output. 08:10
inetproandrewlsd: ah, old stable stuff08:11
* andrewlsd has RHV4 stuff too.08:11
andrewlsdoVirt does not like having its storage suddenly disconnected.08:11
inetproeish!08:13
andrewlsd(which is not surprising)08:13
* inetpro can just imagine08:13
inetproandrewlsd: you have any idea when RHEV will come with 4.x?08:15
andrewlsdit is already.08:15
andrewlsdand renamed as RHV08:15
inetprooh that sounds interesting08:15
andrewlsdRHV 4.0.2 is current afaik. RHEV 3-series is EOL end September.08:15
inetprocool08:16
andrewlsdRHV4 has some nice stuff.  oVirt too. especially SDN integration stuff and `glusterfs` for _hyperconverged_08:36
andrewlsdbtw, RHV4 VMware to RHV migration tool works brilliantly.08:37
andrewlsdRHV4 hypervisor architecture changed quite a bit. Is not more "install" less "image" . Probably must be true for upstream oVirt too.08:38
andrewlsdMaaz: coffee please08:53
Maazandrewlsd: There isn't a pot on08:53
andrewlsdMaaz: coffee on08:53
* Maaz flips the salt-timer08:53
magellanichey andrewlsd 08:55
andrewlsdo/ magellanic08:55
andrewlsdTrue story: When things go pear-shaped, it's nice to have Red Hat support.  cc superfly08:56
magellanichehe, seems you have been busy this morning08:57
andrewlsdYeah, and all of last night.08:57
MaazCoffee's ready for andrewlsd!08:57
andrewlsdMaaz: coffee please08:58
Maazandrewlsd: There isn't a pot on08:58
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andrewlsdMaaz: why can't have more coffee08:58
Maazandrewlsd: Got it08:58
magellanicah, a crisis?08:58
andrewlsdmagellanic: definitely08:58
magellanic:(08:58
inetproMaaz: coffee on09:02
* Maaz washes some mugs09:02
inetproandrewlsd: want another cup?09:02
inetproare you winning at least?09:04
MaazCoffee's ready for inetpro!09:06
inetproMaaz: dankie09:06
MaazGroot plesier inetpro my vriend09:06
* inetpro wonders where is oom Kilos09:06
andrewlsdinetpro: definitely need more coffee. 09:08
andrewlsdMaaz: seen Kilos09:08
Maazandrewlsd: Kilos was last seen 12 hours, 56 minutes and 17 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-03-10 20:12:04 GMT], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-03-10 20:12:10 GMT09:08
inetproandrewlsd: ai! good luck sir, I hope you get it sorted09:09
andrewlsdty inetpro09:12
K_K_Nhi Kilos 09:33
K_K_Nhow are you doing oom?09:33
inetproKilos: welcome back 09:34
inetprowhat happened?09:34
K_K_Nok an update people, I had the issue again where I lost connectivity09:40
K_K_Nwhile sudo journalctl -f was running09:40
K_K_NI disconnected and reconnected09:40
K_K_Nbut still no connectivity09:40
K_K_NI copied the logs that were generated before rebooting to regain connectivity09:41
K_K_Nwho will be able to read it and maybe have an idea of why I have no connection?09:41
magellanicpastebin it?09:41
K_K_Nok let me do that then you guys can advise09:42
K_K_Nok pastebin completed09:51
K_K_Nhttps://bin.snyman.info/mmmjy8fc09:51
K_K_Nanybody here that needs me to explain the issue again just in case you were offline while I chatted about it?09:55
inetproK_K_N: been a long time since having those kind of issues, looks like NetworkManager interfering there09:58
K_K_Nok so where should I begin looking?09:58
inetprolong time ago the way to do it was to remove or disable NetworkManager09:59
inetprobut these days I'm not sure whether that is still necessary10:00
inetprothing that works best for me is an independant router that is always on10:01
magellanicnothing in the logs stands out to me?10:02
K_K_Ninetpro, well we might as well try something cause its becoming annoying to have to reboot and unfortunately all I have at the moment is this USB 3G modem10:02
K_K_Nmagellanic, maybe there are some other log files I can look at that might be more helpful?10:03
magellanicrun some commands and get the outputs if it happens again, maybe: ip ro, ip addr, ping -c2 8.8.8.8, dig www.google.com, tracepath 8.8.8.810:03
K_K_Nmagellanic, ok cool thanks, so run them when the issue happens, I will do then will reboot and pastebin again for you10:05
K_K_Nbut let me run it now since all is working and maybe see what the difference is10:05
magellaniccool10:06
inetprodon't think you'll get much output from those when you got disconnected #justsaying10:07
inetprowhat you may need is a continuous ping to keep the network up10:07
magellanicfrom the logs it looks like it successfully establishes another connection10:08
K_K_Nyeah and also it seems like skype gets connected but nothing else does10:10
K_K_Nok ran the above commands now will wait for when the issue occurs and will run again10:10
inetproquestion is, did it connect automagically or was it K_K_N triggering it manually again?10:10
inetpromaybe play with something like the following as well10:11
inetproping -s0 -i10 8.8.8.810:11
K_K_Nwhat happens is I just loose everything even if I am busy browsing the net10:11
K_K_Nbut the connection says its still connected10:11
inetprothat will ping every 10 seconds with a packetsize of 010:12
K_K_Nand the modem light is also blue and constant and also skype icon is green10:12
K_K_NI disconnect and reconnect to see if that helps10:12
K_K_NI even remove the USB device and reinsert it10:12
K_K_Nstill no difference have to reboot for it to work10:13
inetprojust play with the i value to see how long you need packets to flow10:13
K_K_Nbut even if that is the case the connection is timing out because of no packets sent why does disconnecting and reconnecting not help even though the connection status says connected and I have an IP address, DNS, etc. from the ISP?10:14
K_K_Nonly a reboot of the machine helps10:15
inetprowow10:15
K_K_Nyeah my reaction exactly10:17
K_K_NLOL10:17
inetproping -O -W1 -s0 -i5 8.8.8.8 | perl -nle 'print scalar(localtime), " ", $_'10:18
inetprothat ^^ will run the ping every 5 seconds and display the date like a log entry10:18
inetpronice for troubleshooting10:19
K_K_Nok I will let that run lets see if the issue occurs again10:19
inetprowith that you can compare with events in the logs10:20
K_K_Nok cool so let me monitor then I will give feedback10:20
K_K_Nbtw what address is 8.8.8.8?10:21
inetprogoogle dns server10:23
K_K_Nah ok cool10:23
inetprohttps://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/10:23
K_K_Ncool10:25
K_K_Nwonder if google records the originating IP address and stores the info to send to whoever wants it...10:26
K_K_Nhehe10:26
inetprothey know more about you than you may think10:27
K_K_Nlol10:27
K_K_Nyou probably right been reading some info on the net about privacy tools etc10:27
K_K_Nthere is a lot I did not realize about what a site you visit can learn about you just with you only visiting their home page10:28
K_K_Nnot even clicking anything10:28
inetproyep, modern browsers leak a huge amount of info by default10:28
inetproall in the name of convenience and service delivery10:30
K_K_NI guess some are genuine in their reasoning but we cannot trust them all well after reading what I have been reading I do not trust any10:31
K_K_Nlol10:31
K_K_Nso been changing and tweaking settings on the browser according to the advice on the net10:32
MaNIthe browers are less to blame than all the sites that happily embed th e various google tools10:43
MaNIgoogle analytics etc.10:44
inetproMaaz: that's true as well11:35
Maazinetpro: Excuse me?11:35
inetprooops... that was meant for MaNI11:36
andrewlsdK_K_N: [1489221639.8227] device (ttyACM0): Activation: successful, device activated. 12:23
andrewlsdthat line looks good12:23
andrewlsdK_K_N:  check if you have any `ppp` lines in /etc/network/interfaces12:26
andrewlsdyou can do a bin.snyman.info of the output of cat /etc/network/interfaces12:26
andrewlsdI couldn't find the info higher up.. Which release of Ubuntu are you using K_K_N12:27
* andrewlsd goes away again12:37
=== MaNL is now known as MaNI
inetproKilos: are you ok?13:23
magespawnchat later all14:24
inetprowb zaki14:57
inetprooh and hi poppingtonic14:57
K_K_Nmagellanic, here are the results while everything was working and then when nothing was working except skype16:28
K_K_Nhttps://bin.snyman.info/mmmczvnd16:28
magellanicokay, so your dns is breaking16:32
magellanicI'd try and restart dnsmasq after you reconnect, not sure if network manager is starting dnsmasq, or if it is started generally as a system service16:36
K_K_Nalso I can confirm that skype does get reconnected but nothing else16:37
magellanicnext time it does that, try a: service network-manager restart, it works for me when I need to get dnsmasq restarted16:37
K_K_Nok cool I will try that16:38
magellanicalso, what version of ubuntu is it16:38
K_K_N16.0416:38
magellanicokay16:38
K_K_Nthanks for the help16:39
K_K_Nwhen it happens again lets see if that is the issue16:39
magellanicsure16:39
K_K_Nmagellanic, I think we got a bit closer now cause now I did not have to reboot the machine17:03
K_K_Nalthough I had to remove and reinsert the USB modem17:03
magellanicprobably due to the network manager restart yeah17:04
K_K_Nso is the issue what you suspected?17:05
magellanicwhat was the link to the logs you pasted earlier17:05
K_K_Nhttps://bin.snyman.info/mmmczvnd17:06
magellanicsorry not that link, the one with the syslogs17:07
magellanicI can't seem to see it17:07
magellanicah, found it17:07
K_K_Nhttps://bin.snyman.info/mmmjy8fc17:08
magellanican easy option will be to config your connection to not get dns dynamically from the isp, hard code it to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.417:08
K_K_Nok and the not so easy option?17:09
magellanicfigure out why dns breaks after a reconnect17:09
K_K_Nok so DNS is where I should look for a resolution?17:10
magellanicyep17:11
K_K_Nok thanks I will try and have a look at those logs and my settings, etc and see what I can figure out a solutions (with the help of internet off course... ;) hehe)17:13
magellanicfrom the logs, it does look like nm puts dns settings in, and dnsmasq seems to say it acknowledges it17:13
magellanichave a look at dnsmasq.conf for entry "log-queries", enable it, then watch what dnsmasq does on reconnect for new queries17:22
K_K_Nok cool, where do I find dnsmasq.conf17:29
magellanic /etc/dnsmasq.conf I think17:30
magellanicor /etc/dnsmasq.d/network-manager it seems17:34
K_K_Nok not finding dnsmasq.conf anywhere on the machine and the above file network-manager has like 3 lines begining with # and one line that states bind-interfaces17:38
K_K_Nok I will look at this again in a bit17:40
K_K_Nwill be back17:40
magellanicyou can put it in that file, note: it will make logs noisy17:42
nsnzeroevening all17:53
inetprohi nsnzero18:12
nsnzerohi inetpro 18:13
Kilosohi everyone18:18
inetproah, eventualy he found his way here again?18:19
Kilossorry guys18:19
nsnzerohi Kilos 18:19
nsnzeroKilos: you got lost ?18:20
Kilosi slept all avy nsnzero 18:20
nsnzerowish i could do that Kilos 18:21
Kiloswhen you living on meds these things happen18:21
inetprolooks like superfly also sleeping late today18:21
Kiloslol18:21
Kilosnsnzero you welcome to the meds18:22
Kilosmake you feel yucky18:22
nsnzero1 medicine i take Kilos  -> brandy 18:24
inetproandrewlsd: slack broke my quasselclient today18:25
inetprofound my client core dumping since this afternoon18:26
* nsnzero googles what slack is18:27
inetprocore dumping every time I go to the slack channels on quassel18:27
inetpronsnzero: see http://zatech.co.za18:28
inetpromany old irc hands can be found there on the ZA Tech team on slack... plus others who have probably never been on IRC18:29
inetproquite sad really18:29
nsnzeroits a chat protocol 18:30
inetproslack is yet another closed-source, proprietary, walled-garden where you hand over all of your private communications to a private third-party in another country18:31
inetprobut it works and has quite a few nice functionalities18:32
nsnzeroirc protocol needs an update - especially the message sent / received part 18:33
inetprochesedo-: I created a ubuntu-za channel there at ZATech today just to point back here, hopefully some will find us from there18:35
nsnzeronow how do i set it up in weechat ?18:42
inetpronsnzero: see my PM on slack18:44
nsnzerogood evening Langjan 18:46
Langjanhi nsnzero 18:46
Langjankeeping well?18:46
inetpronsnzero: see https://zatech.slack.com/account/gateways, you basically end up connecting to yet another IRC network18:46
LangjanHi Kilos 18:46
inetprogood evening Langjan18:47
nsnzeroyes i am Langjan thanks for asking - hope you are well too18:47
LangjanHello inetpro 18:47
LangjanI'm just checking in to show a young lady our great chat room18:48
inetprohmm... why not invite her in here oom Langjan?18:48
LangjanIn Pietermaritzburg18:48
nsnzeroawesome stuff Langjan 18:48
inetpronew users are always welcome18:49
Langjanshes not on linux18:49
inetproshe will learn it quickly18:50
* nsnzero goes to look for a terminal jabber client18:50
Langjandepends, she uses Jaws and Zoomtext 18:51
Langjanon win 718:51
LangjanHi Maaz 18:53
LangjanMaaz, coffee18:54
MaazLangjan: coffee is liquid code18:54
inetproLangjan: interesting18:54
inetproMaaz: coffee on18:54
* Maaz starts grinding coffee18:54
Langjanthks18:54
inetpronow say "Maaz: coffee please" without the quotes18:55
LangjanMaaz,: coffee please 18:55
MaazLangjan: Righto18:55
Langjaninetpro, you obviously twigged Im showing her around chat room in my inept way 18:56
MaazCoffee's ready for inetpro and Langjan!18:58
inetproMaaz: dankie18:58
MaazGroot plesier inetpro my vriend18:58
inetproMaaz: what can you do?18:59
Maazinetpro: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.18:59
MaazAsk me "help me with ..." for more details.18:59
Kilosnaand oom Langjan 18:59
Kilosskuus man ek eet ook jy weet18:59
* nsnzero is not surprised that emacs has a jabber plugin19:00
KilosMaaz coffee please19:00
MaazKilos: There isn't a pot on19:00
Langjanhi Kilos 19:00
Kilosai!19:00
Kilosyou ok Langjan ?19:00
LangjanFine thks in Pmburg19:00
Langjanlong road today19:00
Langjanand you?19:01
nsnzeroanyone tried out profanity barnowl or finch ?19:01
Kilosim ok as well ty. i was in pmb for years19:01
Langjaninetpro, thanks for the info19:01
Langjanyes so you said, were in Pelham Kilos 19:02
Kiloswave to pmb for me19:02
Langjanwill do19:02
Kilosand convert some win peeps19:02
Langjantrying, she uses some stuff on win, will hav to google around to see if linux has equivalents 19:03
inetproLangjan: with decent modern hardware KDE is actually quite usable for visually impaired users these days19:08
LangjanOk guys thks for the chat, will love and leave you for now 19:08
inetproam not so sure about normal Ubuntu19:08
nsnzerotake care Langjan and friend 19:09
Kilosbe good oom19:09
Langjanthks inetpro will have a look19:09
inetprojust need to look at the Accessibility Options19:09
Kilosty inetpro 19:10
inetprooh and Desktop effects 19:10
Langjanthks Kilos and inetpro 19:10
Kilosyou will skrik him away mentioning kde19:10
inetprohaha, it's his hardware man19:10
Langjanno man19:10
Kilosit doesnt break often enough for him19:10
Langjanits not that bad, just tease you19:11
Langjanlmga19:11
Kiloshee hee19:11
inetproKilos: what's the score?19:13
Kilosi have no tv or radio inetpro 19:17
inetproai!19:19
inetproyou have the interwebs oom Kilos19:19
Kiloslol ya feels strange to have no idea what is happening in the sports world19:19
Kilosinetrwebs on edge19:20
inetprosjoe, now that is bad19:20
Kiloshavent got cellc and vodacom moving yet19:20
inetprono wonder you are so quiet19:20
Kilosyip 19:20
Kilosoften drops compleately as well19:21
Kilosand we have 2 pcs running from one router so edge takes its toll on patience19:21
inetprohmm... not good 19:25
Kiloslol19:27
Kilosits ok when you sleeping19:27
nsnzeroslack seem good but i cant find a good client for it 19:37
nsnzerogood night all19:40
paddatrapperMaaz: tell nsnzero weechat has a python slack plugin - wee-slack19:43
Maazpaddatrapper: Got it, I'll tell nsnzero on freenode19:43
inetpropaddatrapper: sounds interesting, how does it work?19:54
paddatrapperinetpro: its a python script that runs in weechat. They act like normal channel buffers 19:55
paddatrapperinetpro: https://github.com/wee-slack/wee-slack19:56
inetprolooks like fun19:58
* inetpro should actually try weechat again at some point19:58
pavlushkaNight ZA people :)20:15
=== chesedo- is now known as chesedo
superflyinetpro: had to go out shopping20:28
inetprosuperfly: you are forgiven 20:29
Kiloslol20:29
Kiloshi fly20:29
* Kilos goes to bed now20:29
superflygood night Kilos20:29
Kilosnight everyone. sleep tight20:29
paddatrappernight Kilos 20:29
Kilosty20:29
inetprogood night k...20:30
inetprogoeie nagrus almal20:34

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