[02:59] <superfly> chesedo: I think you mailed the wrong list about the mini meetings
[03:00] <superfly> I don't think ubuntu-africa is a bad choice, but I know it's not the intended audience ;-)
[10:00] <chesedo> lol thanks superfly
[10:56] <inetpro> uh-oh
[10:58] <inetpro> good evening
[11:12] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[11:12] <Kilos> connection bad here today again
[11:12] <inetpro> fix it
[11:13] <Kilos> ill fone them tomorrow but need to use sim in modem
[11:46] <jerit> goeie middag manne
[11:47] <jerit> guess who's installing a Teamspeak server on his new ubuntu server
[11:59] <Kilos> hi jerit 
[11:59] <jerit> hey Kilos
[12:04] <jerit> any ideas? can't tar this file "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format" https://i.itsosticky.com/hwo2ma.png
[12:06] <MaNI>  -z, --gzip, --gunzip, --ungzip              Filter the archive through gzip(1).
[12:06] <MaNI> that file is a .tar, not a .tar.gz ...
[12:09] <jerit> ah tar -xf <file> worked
[12:24] <jerit> I'm confused again -> https://i.itsosticky.com/1xwmpe8.png
[12:25] <jerit> not exactly sure what I'm looking at here
[12:37] <chesedo> inetpro superfly Kilos: can any of you respond to my wrong thread on the africa list to indicate that is such... i did not receive a copy of it so can not respond on it (unless if i start a new one)
[12:37]  * chesedo wonders how it keeps track of a thread any way... maybe i can just 'hack' the title...
[12:42] <inetpro> chesedo: just copy and paste in a new message to ubuntu-za-request@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:42] <inetpro> or did I miss something?
[12:44] <chesedo> inetpro: nop, according to this (https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-africa/maillist.html) that worked thanks...
[12:45] <chesedo> inetpro: you may have missed that i email the africa list instead of the za list about the mini meeting...
[12:46] <jerit> guys symlink is okay? https://i.itsosticky.com/1cgtese.png
[12:46]  * inetpro missed this, "i did not receive a copy..." sorry chesedo
[12:47] <chesedo> jerit: i have no idea...
[12:48] <chesedo> wait a minute...
[12:48] <chesedo> jerit: that seems like a recursion
[12:51] <jerit> yeah turns out directory structures haven't worked out like the guide I'm using for this assumes they should
[12:51] <jerit> that or I did something wrong
[13:08] <jerit> This is weird... the startup script is there but it says not found? https://i.itsosticky.com/p5405s.png
[13:38] <Kilos> i will but its good there as well chesedo 
[13:38] <chesedo> already done Kilos
[13:38] <chesedo> and superfly ^^
[13:42] <Kilos> but its good there too maybe some of them will come see what its about
[14:04] <chesedo> Kilos: let's hope that i did not scare them away then :D
[14:04] <Kilos> lol
[15:03] <chesedo> for the python lovers -> https://t.co/44klGmO6qQ
[15:31] <Kilos> sigh
[15:31] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/6124173907
[15:33] <jerit> anybody wanna join my new teamspeak server btw? maybe we can all talk there n stuff?
[17:02] <inetpro> welcome back kulelu88
[17:03] <kulelu88> welcome back? inetpro 
[17:03] <inetpro> 03/12 18:29:28 --> kulelu88 (~kulelu88@unaffiliated/kulelu88) has joined #ubuntu-za
[17:04] <inetpro> it's only like half an hour ago and nobody has said anything yet
[17:05] <kulelu88> almal slaap
[17:06] <inetpro> duidelik
[17:06] <inetpro> even Kilos
[17:07] <inetpro> Maaz: seen theblazehen
[17:07] <Maaz> inetpro: theblazehen was last seen 3 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes and 20 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-03-09 12:42:28 GMT], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-03-10 17:39:36 GMT
[17:09] <inetpro> anyone else played with nested virtualisation yet?
[17:09] <inetpro> https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2016/12/13/supernested-on-the-qemu-advent-calendar/
[17:11]  * inetpro wonders why a machine would come to a crashing halt with nested KVM
[17:12] <inetpro> surely you should not be able to use resources outside the boundaries of the first VM?
[17:13] <kulelu88> CPU is normally shared in virtualization
[17:27] <nsnzero> evening all
[17:27] <Maaz> nsnzero: By the way, paddatrapper on freenode told me "tell nsnzero weechat has a python slack plugin - wee-slack" 21 hours, 43 minutes and 47 seconds ago
[17:27] <inetpro> nsnzero: try it and please tell us about it
[17:28] <inetpro> oh and hi as well
[17:28] <nsnzero> hi inetpro  will do
[17:32] <inetpro> ah and welcome back to pavlushka also
[17:34] <inetpro> oh dear
[17:35] <inetpro> Maaz: talk to me
[17:35] <Maaz> inetpro: What?
[17:35] <inetpro> ai!
[17:35] <pavlushka> inetpro: thank you :)
[17:36] <pavlushka> Maaz: you stupid, talk to inetpro 
[17:36] <Maaz> pavlushka: What?
[17:36] <inetpro> gosh, you guys are boring today
[17:36] <inetpro> magellanic: oh are you?
[17:37] <inetpro> s/oh/how/
[17:37] <magellanic> hi, good can't complain you?
[17:37] <inetpro> all good as well thanks :-)
[17:41] <magellanic> catching up on the trove of vids from google's cloud conference.. (https://www.youtube.com/user/googlecloudplatform/videos)
[17:43] <inetpro> sounds interesting, sadly with limited data not something I can join in to tell what happened
[17:45] <magellanic> there are a bunch of interesting ones, but yeah one wants uncapped for youtube
[17:58] <inetpro> hi zaki
[17:58]  * inetpro feels like the greeter bot in the absense of Kilos
[17:59] <Kilos> hahahaha
[17:59] <inetpro> oops, he's actually here?
[17:59] <Kilos> i heard the alert
[17:59] <Kilos> mostly i miss thenm
[17:59] <Kilos> them
[18:00] <inetpro> Kilos: stop playing games and concentrate for a change
[18:00] <Kilos> i just eaten man , and also been trying to fix ians car
[18:00] <Kilos> lost spark and its a new coils and distributor
[18:01] <Kilos> modern electronics suck
[18:01] <inetpro> oh golly
[18:01] <Kilos> told him to buy a distributor with points in then i can look
[18:01] <Kilos> cant see inside sealed chips
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: tell me about it, keeping a car in good running condition is a constant battle
[18:16] <Kilos> expensive battle
[18:16] <inetpro> that as well yes
[18:16] <Kilos> this golf has exploded 2 of the modern black coils
[18:17] <Kilos> and on third distributor in 2 years
[18:17] <Kilos> jinx car
[18:17] <inetpro> trade it in for a new one
[18:18] <Kilos> was in an accident before he bought it and they did a good hideaway job, but wiring harness damaged inside so weird things happen
[18:18] <Kilos> he still growing his business so no spare cash for another car
[18:19] <Kilos> tough in africa
[18:20] <kulelu88> what business?
[18:21] <inetpro> wish we had more affordable alternatives for transport in this country
[18:22] <MaNI> so say we all
[18:23] <inetpro> sadly the only solution around it is to increase the monthly budget to keep the wheels spinning
[18:24] <kulelu88> in this 1 particular case, you can really blame the apartheid government for urban planning. People are spread out too far, making public transport difficult
[18:25] <inetpro> wish it was that simple
[18:25] <MaNI> Sounds like a massive oversimplification to me. We have plenty of very dense areas.
[18:26] <kulelu88> Ask Kilos about the difficulty of getting from where he is to Kalafong hospital
[18:26] <kulelu88> the dense areas have been addressed by the gautrain
[18:27] <MaNI> The construction of an over expensive super fast gautrain that only goes between one or two locations instead of multiple slower monorail lines - similar to e.g. what Malaysia has, is but one of our many blunders
[18:27] <MaNI> IIRC they company that did Malaysia's one even wanted to build one for us, but at the time submarines were more important to us.
[18:27] <kulelu88> you can go from hatfield to sandton and the radius around sandton using only the train/bus-service
[18:27] <nsnzero> inetpro: i have tried 3 methods to connect - i gave up 
[18:28] <nsnzero> evening guys
[18:28]  * inetpro agrees with MaNI even if the gautrain is one very tiny part of the solution
[18:28] <kulelu88> MaNI: not to discount the ineptitude currently present, but making people live far from each other just to keep races away from each other was not sound judgement either
[18:29] <Kilos> um
[18:29] <Kilos> scanners
[18:29] <Kilos> um
[18:29] <Kilos> biometrics
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: what are you saying?
[18:30] <MaNI> The apartheid government was wrong in many ways for sure, none of which excuse the complete lack of infrastructure building ever since. 
[18:30] <Kilos> about what inetpro ?
[18:30] <inetpro> sanners and biometrics
[18:30] <inetpro> scanners as well
[18:30] <kulelu88> my concern regarding infrastructure is the dams
[18:31] <inetpro> sjow, how do we get from transort to dams?
[18:31] <inetpro> transport*
[18:31] <Kilos> oh about what ians business is
[18:31] <Kilos> kulelu88 asked what business
[18:31] <inetpro> ah
[18:32] <MaNI> Well our water infrastructure is also a huge failiure I won't argue with that.
[18:32] <kulelu88> some of them are really old inetpro . dams weren't built to last ad-infinitum 
[18:32] <kulelu88> at least we don't have Iraqs problem with their dam, or so we know
[18:32] <Kilos> scanners finger hand and eye print readers etc and time and attendance stuff
[18:33] <MaNI> Well age is only part of the problem, the larger problem is that we have done almost nothing to extend our capacity
[18:33] <kulelu88> I believe they are building a few dams, but not as many as the past
[18:33] <MaNI> population of western cape has what, doubled? tripled? yet we have the exact same dams (more or less) that we did 20 years ago - and then we act surprised when the dams are half empty
[18:34] <inetpro> our biggest challenge is to stop blaming everybody and start working together to find solutions for future generations
[18:34] <MaNI> and strangely nobody is talking about this, instead we are talking about how people should try save 5% on their usage by showering less, it's a bit of a worry :)
[18:35] <Kilos> we have a large sea all around us they can desalienate the water and score salt as well
[18:35] <MaNI> well this is my problem, instead of sitting down and being like "wow we better build more dams" or "wow we need desalanation plants" - instead we have this "consumers are evil and are using too much water" finger pointing agenda going on
[18:35] <Kilos> inetpro +1
[18:36] <MaNI> Our nuclear build program was meant to solve (the one we had 20 years ago - not the one we are proposing now) was meant to solve both water and energy in one, but at some point we decided to just throw pebble bed away and not try think of any new solutions
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> pass the buck is the easiest solution 
[18:36] <kulelu88> MaNI: people must be blaming the ANC even though the DA runs that province XD
[18:36] <MaNI> kulelu88, yes actually, they do
[18:36] <Kilos> and then you can form commities to pass it further
[18:37] <MaNI> both parties (and their voters) are equally bad in that respect
[18:37] <MaNI> not a big fan of politicians in general
[18:38] <Kilos> politicians are all born liars and thieves
[18:38] <kulelu88> I can't see how any new party can win the general elections without maintaining the status-quo. we have loads of people depending on social grants, which puts pressure on the tax-payers
[18:38] <MaNI> to an extent they are yeah, though the quote "people get the leaders they deserve" often comes to my mind
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <kulelu88> the minute you mess around with grants, that will turn the country upside down
[18:40] <MaNI> if people stopped voting for liars then maybe we would find some politicians who aren't liars :)
[18:41] <kulelu88> but aren't politicians and liars mutually exclusive? 
[18:41] <kulelu88> sorry, mutually inclusive
[18:41] <nsnzero> people need to start thinking long term unfortunately most strategies only last until the next term of office 
[18:41] <kulelu88> got my statistic terms wrong :(
[18:42] <MaNI> anyway yeah - back to transport topic - our big metros could definitely use some kind of mono rail or tram lines or something - it really makes me sad how much easier it is to get around in countries that do have these things
[18:45] <nsnzero> when we went to sweden the public transport runs 24 hours - luxury buses 
[18:47] <inetpro> transportation as a service rather than as a product, that's the thinking that we need
[18:47] <MaNI> Not a huge fan of bus as the primary means of transport, I must say. I mean bus systems do work (sort of - though they are prone to delays and usually very complex)
[18:47] <MaNI> but I've found cities with light rail of some kind (tram; mono rail) to be the best by far
[18:49] <inetpro> as a young boy I used to dream of a network of overhead ziplines as a solution to keep people off the streets
[18:50] <inetpro> if only it was easy to build such a thing
[18:50] <MaNI> The fancier bus systems are still quite nice I guess - Curitiba in Brazil had a pretty well run bus system, where some of the busses were double length express busses and stuff - Cape Town MyCity is meant to be modeled off that somewhat, though I start to doubt I'll ever see the day where MyCity extends out to this side of cape town (Somerset West)
[18:51] <kulelu88> the city is very much the priority though. 
[18:51] <kulelu88> or as they call them now "the huge metros"
[18:52] <MaNI> well Somerset West is a big part of "the city" now - they've extended service to some much smaller less populated west coast areas, so it's all a bit silly
[18:52] <nsnzero> i dont think i will ever see that system in durban as most large business have relocated elsewhere
[18:53] <MaNI> they are now about 8 years behind schedule on MyCity roll out though or something
[18:53] <MaNI> I suspect they have pretty much stopped expanding it in order to avoid further taxi strikes, but I don't know, I should check up to see if there is any new progress
[18:56] <inetpro> why can't we do transport like TCP/IP?
[18:57] <inetpro> put a human in a packet and put it on the network from soutrce to destination
[18:57] <inetpro> source*
[18:57] <MaNI> Musk is working on the product you describe, or at least the closest thing I guess
[18:57] <MaNI> hehe
[18:57] <nsnzero> guys if someone can tell me if there any benefits in using tmux - especially if you dont use the remote features of it 
[18:59] <inetpro> nsnzero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmux
[19:00] <inetpro> "access multiple separate terminal sessions inside a single terminal window or remote terminal session"
[19:00] <inetpro> doesn't have to be remote
[19:01] <nsnzero> thanks inetpro - its also gives a nice status bar - which is why i am using it 
[19:01]  * inetpro is still pretty much stuck in GNU screen mode
[19:03] <MaNI> yeah - I've never felt the need to advance beyond screen personally
[19:03] <nsnzero> tmux and screen do the same thing though 
[19:05] <inetpro> almost
[19:11] <inetpro> how's Cape Town this evening?
[19:11] <inetpro> looks like it was quite windy this morning
[19:11] <paddatrapper> inetpro: Windy and burning
[19:11] <paddatrapper> wind isn't as bad as earlier though
[19:12] <inetpro> guess you guys should be used to windy but the burning can't be fun
[19:14] <paddatrapper> yeah, houtbaai has had two fires in one day today...
[19:14] <MaNI> fire season has been pretty long the last few years
[19:15] <inetpro> wb magespawn
[19:16] <paddatrapper> That it has... 
[19:20] <inetpro> ok, that's it for me
[19:20] <inetpro> good night
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. thats you as well inetpro 
[19:26] <nsnzero> night Kilos 
[20:02] <superfly> Hello! 
[20:03] <superfly> Are we going to bed already? 
[20:04] <superfly> paddatrapper: I saw the videos of the Argus. Were any of you hoping to cycle? 
[20:04] <paddatrapper> superfly: thankfully not 
[20:23] <kulelu88> psssh, cycling is for healthy people
[20:30] <superfly> kulelu88: paddatrapper is weird, he likes being outside
[20:30] <kulelu88> daai man hou van die sonskyn
[20:30] <paddatrapper> Hehe. Outside is fun