[00:28] <julien1428> Astro7467: I was referring to a new build based on 16.10.
[00:32] <PlainDave> I've found that Mate somewhat bogs my slow computer down a bit, as opposed to Ubuntu with Unity/Gnome. Otherwise, I love Ubuntu w/ Mate.
[00:36]  * nomic just moved back to  xubuntu from mint/mate 
[00:36] <nomic> was too slow
[01:58] <julien1428> Anybody have any idea if ubuntu mate for pi will receive the 17.04 update?
[02:17] <nomic> 17.04 is in a few years yet
[02:17] <nomic> ok
[02:17] <nomic> april
[02:17] <nomic> i think its probable julien1428
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[05:03] <ubuntu-mate> .
[08:56] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: Hi, can I go ahead and commit the fix to this bug that I reported, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-settings/+bug/1577715
[08:56] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1577715 in ubuntu-mate-settings (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-mate.gschema.override should begin with a "nn_" number" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:56] <alkisg> ...directly in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-settings ?
[08:56] <alkisg> Would you prefer a merge request instead?
[08:57] <flexiondotorg> alkisg Not yet.
[08:57] <flexiondotorg> The issue really need fixing in Debian and the plan is to do that after Debian 9 is released.
[08:58] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: there are 2 files affected; one is in debian, the other is in that bzr branch, ubuntu-specific
[08:58] <alkisg> Also, we'll need an SRU for Xenial in any case, and that SRU schedule isn't related to the debian release cycle...
[08:59] <alkisg> I can do the work involved; I just don't want to step on any toes, so if you just mention how you would like me to do things, I'll do them that way
[09:00] <flexiondotorg> If we number the override in ubuntu-mate-default-settings it will be overridden by the file from Debian.
[09:00] <alkisg> We can set a priority from dh_installgsettings
[09:00] <alkisg> And the file from debian will be in the SRU
[09:00] <flexiondotorg> alkisg OK, if you preper a merge proposal that would be great :-)
[09:00] <alkisg> So that one will have the correct priority as well
[09:02] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: cool, so, for ubuntu-specific things I'll file merge requests on launchpad, and the related SRUs for debian things. Now for the debian packaging fixes, so that they're fixed in stretch, would you like me to file them in bugs.debian.org, or maybe send a merge request there too?
[09:02] <alkisg> Where is that packaging maintained, in anonscm?
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> alkisg The maintainer in Debian is sunweaver.
[09:03] <alkisg> Cool, I'll ping him, thanks,
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> alkisg Thanks for helping.
[09:04] <alkisg> I'll be spending the next couple of months filing bugs / sending patches etc for mate, so it'll be best to do it in the most effective way :)
[09:04] <alkisg> np; thank you for your awesome work too
[09:05] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: by the way, the debian packaging provides a specific ubuntu-mate.gschema.override for ubuntu, why do we additionally have an mate-ubuntu.gschema.override?
[09:06] <alkisg> Can't we just tell sunweaver to merge it to his debian packaging?
[09:43] <flexiondotorg> alkisg Before my time, so can't say why there is mate-ubuntu.gschema.override.
[09:43] <flexiondotorg> But I don't want to merge the overrides for Ubuntu into the Debian packaging.
[09:44] <flexiondotorg> All Ubuntu branding/settings I want to maintain in Ubuntu where is can be updated at will.
[09:44] <flexiondotorg> And not requiring sponsorship in Debian.
[09:49] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: the ubuntu packaging is already in debian
[09:49] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: if you want to remove that, then I should file a different bug report
[09:49] <alkisg> Now you have ubuntu packaging in both debian and in ubuntu
[09:49] <alkisg> What I'm saying is, there's no reason to have it in 2 places
[09:51] <flexiondotorg> Well, there is.
[09:51] <alkisg> If you want the ubuntu settings to be in the debian packaging, you need to merge ubuntu-mate.gschema.override into mate-ubuntu.gschema.override
[09:51] <flexiondotorg> The overrides in Debian give you somewhat sane default for MATE when it is installed on Ubuntu.
[09:51] <alkisg> If you want the ubuntu settings to be in the ubuntu packaging, you need to merge mate-ubuntu.gschema.override into ubuntu-mate.gschema.override
[09:51] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: the debian packaging has an "if"
[09:51] <flexiondotorg> The are MATE defaults, not Ubuntu MATE defaults.
[09:51] <alkisg> If installing on debian, use the debian file
[09:51] <alkisg> If installing on ubuntu, use the ubuntu file
[09:52] <alkisg> They have a different file there just for us
[09:52] <flexiondotorg> I do not wish to maintain the Ubuntu MATE branding/settings in Debian :-)
[09:52] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: but currently you do
[09:52] <alkisg> That's what I'm saying
[09:53] <alkisg> I don't know who wrote debian/rules that way
[09:53] <alkisg> But they wrote it so that the ubuntu maintainer would maintain the ubuntu settings in the debian package
[09:53] <flexiondotorg> Indeed.
[09:53] <flexiondotorg> But I do not want to do that.
[09:53] <alkisg> Right, so we have to file a bug report in debian to change that,
[09:54] <flexiondotorg> And I think that capability was added by the previous maintainers.
[09:54] <alkisg> to tell them to delete all ubuntu references in debian/rules, and copy them to our ubuntu-mate packaging
[09:54] <flexiondotorg> alkisg Hold up a sec.
[09:54] <flexiondotorg> Let me explains.
[09:54] <alkisg> (we're doing the same thing in LTSP, so I know how this goes...)
[09:54] <flexiondotorg> mate-ubuntu.gschema.override has a purpose.
[09:55] <flexiondotorg> Those people install MATE, not Ubuntu MATE, on Ubuntu will get somewhat sane default for MATE.
[09:55] <alkisg> Of course. But what is the purpose of ubuntu-mate.gschema?
[09:55] <flexiondotorg> For example installing mate-desktop-environment-core on Xubuntu.
[09:56] <alkisg> Wait, are you saying that installing mate on xubuntu will give me different defaults from ubuntu-mate?
[09:56] <flexiondotorg> The purpose of ubuntu-mate.gschema.override is to provide the Ubuntu MATE branding and settings, specifically for Ubuntu MATE.
[09:56] <alkisg> Why would that be the case?
[09:56] <flexiondotorg> alkisg I depends how you install MATE.
[09:56] <flexiondotorg> The Ubuntu MATE meta packages (created from seeds are) ubuntu-mate-core and ubuntu-mate-desktop.
[09:57] <flexiondotorg> Those do not install mate-desktop-environment-core
[09:57] <flexiondotorg> I do not want mate-desktop-environment-core in Ubuntu MATE.
[09:58] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu MATE is not a "pure" MATE implementation. It is augmented.
[09:58] <alkisg> ubuntu-mate-default-settings: /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ubuntu-mate.gschema.override
[09:58] <alkisg> mate-desktop-environment-core: /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/mate-ubuntu.gschema.override
[09:58] <flexiondotorg> Yes.
[09:59] <alkisg> Which of those 2 are in ubuntu-mate and which of those in xubuntu with mate?
[09:59] <alkisg> I have both of them, in ubuntu-mate
[09:59] <flexiondotorg> alkisg It depends.
[09:59] <flexiondotorg> If you install mate-desktop-environment-core on Xubuntu then only /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/mate-ubuntu.gschema.override is present.
[10:00] <flexiondotorg> If you install ubuntu-mate-core then both are present, but ubuntu-mate-default-settings overrides mate-desktop-environment-core.
[10:01] <flexiondotorg> Because alphanumerically is comes later.
[10:01] <alkisg> mate-ubuntu.gschema.override only has 16 lines, while ubuntu-mate.gschema.override has 173
[10:01] <alkisg> So in the first case, xubuntu wouldn't really have the appropriate mate settings
[10:02] <flexiondotorg> So, my concern with use nn_ prefixed (which I understand is the correct convention) is that the Ubuntu MATE overrides get overridden by the those shipped in the Debian packaging.
[10:02] <alkisg> It sounds strange to me, but if that's an actual use case, ok
[10:02] <flexiondotorg> alkisg MATE would have the correct settings on Xubuntu because MATE ships defaults.
[10:02] <alkisg> Both should be renamed, with 10_ in front
[10:02] <flexiondotorg> I agree, but should be renamed for nn_ prefixes.
[10:03] <alkisg> I still haven't understood what is the use case to only have mate-ubuntu.gschema.override installed, but anyway,
[10:03] <flexiondotorg> But the Debian change has to land first otherwise the Ubuntu MATE settings will be overridden where the same keys are set in both.
[10:03] <alkisg> so if they both are renamed properly, then there's no reason for concern, correct?
[10:03] <alkisg> Right
[10:03] <flexiondotorg> Correct.
[10:03] <alkisg> So, the debian change will need to go to zesty first, because of the debian freeze,
[10:04] <alkisg> then, SRU'ed to 16.04,
[10:04] <alkisg> and finally the ubuntu change can land
[10:04] <alkisg> Sounds like a plan?
[10:04] <flexiondotorg> In order to SRU, both packages need updating in 16.04.
[10:04] <alkisg> Do you mean in 17.04 there?
[10:04] <alkisg> SRUs need to appear in zesty first, yes
[10:05] <alkisg> So both of the fixes need to get applied to 17.04 first, and then both to be SRUed to 16.04, but the debian one need to be SRUed first (or, both of them together)
[10:40] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: OK, the two bug reports are ready to be committed to zesty:
[10:40] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-desktop-environment/+bug/1672332
[10:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1672332 in mate-desktop-environment (Ubuntu) "mate-ubuntu.gschema.override should begin with a "nn_" number" [Undecided,New]
[10:40] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-settings/+bug/1577715
[10:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1577715 in ubuntu-mate-settings (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-mate.gschema.override should begin with a "nn_" number" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:50] <lhtd> Hey I made a sudo apt-get update. This distro of ubuntu has the shortes list of PPA included. Really great !
[12:58] <christ_> faty ubuntu mate on rpi3 . how to become lose weight?
[12:58] <christ_> faty ubuntu mate on rpi3 . how to lose weight?
[12:58] <christ_> hello guys
[14:08] <ouroumov> lhtd, by default only the ubuntu archive is included, isn't it the same with other official derivatives?
[14:21] <ubuntu-mate> hep
[14:21] <ubuntu-mate> help
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[14:31] <lhtd> what an impatient person
[15:35] <pulim> hi all - running into very basic problem trying to install php 5.6 and phpmyadmin.
[15:36] <pulim> When I try: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php
[15:37] <pulim> I get ERROR: '~git-core' user or team does not exist.
[15:38] <pulim> Then if I do :  ping -c3 us.archive.ubuntu.com
[15:38] <pulim> I get an error: unknown host us.archive.ubuntu.com
[15:53] <ouroumov> hi pulim
[15:53] <ouroumov> This looks like two separate issues.
[15:54] <ouroumov> pulim, first do you have git installed?
[15:59] <pietro> o
[16:24] <sachin> Hello guys, earlier today I installed xfce4 and gnome-desktop environment on my ubuntu mate 16.04, I removed those just now and my pop up notification is messed up. Any idea whats the issue?
[16:37] <Burazen> Just a quick question, what email client do you use?
[16:37] <Burazen> What integrates well with Ubuntu Mate for you?
[16:38] <ouroumov> Burazen, I don't know if it "integrates", but I use Thunderbird
[16:46] <alkisg> sachin: ideally, all desktop environments would properly cooperate with each other, in practise it's best to only have one of them installed
[16:46] <alkisg> (or, be ready to file bug reports for whatever issues arise
[16:48] <sachin> I know that... I logged in using mate and I saw I had xfce like notification pop up. Then I uninstalled both xfce and gnome, now struck with messed up pop ups.
[16:48] <ouroumov> sachin, does the "notify-send blabla" command does something?
[16:49] <sachin> yeah it does.. but not the way it used to. I cant even change position of pop-up or notification pop up theme.
[16:50] <sachin> I doubt it is remain of gnome..
[16:52] <pulim> hi ouroumov
[16:52] <alkisg> There's notify-osd and notification-daemon, those two fight with each other on various flavors
[16:52] <pulim> it is two separate issues - it seems the first thing is to configure ubuntu so that it can reach outside websites.
[16:53] <pulim> unfortunately I did not set up the DNS, so I am waiting on some advise from IT people
[16:55] <ouroumov> pulim, DNS should be automatically configured if you're using DHCP, are you using static addressing?
[16:56] <sachin> I removed both notify-osd and notification-daemon
[16:59] <pulim> ouroumov, yup - static
[17:04] <ouroumov> pulim, so for starters go to The Network Connection settings, select your ethernet connection, click "edit", go to IPv4 settings and add the google DNS servers 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 or whatever DNS server your ISP provides.
[17:08] <sachin> uninstalled notification-daemon and notify-osd and REbooted , problem solved.
[17:09] <sachin> thanks for help.
[17:13] <Burazen> ouroumov i was thinking anything but the thunderbird, i forgot to say that. Im looking for suggestions.
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