| diplo | Morning all | 08:47 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | \o | 08:48 |
| daftykins | happy Monday! | 08:48 |
| diplo | I'll take your word for it :) | 08:52 |
| daftykins | :D | 08:52 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 08:52 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:02 |
| daftykins | \o | 09:02 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:09 |
| daftykins | heya o/ | 09:09 |
| brobostigon | hi daftykins | 09:12 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Napping Day! 😴 💤 | 10:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | nap the monday away... | 10:19 |
| diddledan | allo allo | 10:21 |
| Laney | what a good idezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzZZzzzZZzzZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 10:21 |
| diddledan | nap. that sounds like a good plan | 10:21 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=papuvlVeZg8 | 10:27 |
| * zmoylan-pi spots a bit of carpet getting a sunbeam at the moment and practices what i learned from the cat masters of naps... | 10:35 | |
| davmor2 | zmoylan-pi: no the beam of light is a death ray honest | 10:43 |
| diddledan | crazy stupid server, anyone? https://system76.com/servers/starling | 11:45 |
| TwistedLucidity | A shame they don't have a European/UK operation. | 11:49 |
| daftykins | ARM 0o | 11:49 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: do they need too it can be shipped | 11:51 |
| diddledan | import duty | 11:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | Warranty | 11:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | Keyboard, power sockets etc | 12:07 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/5kehylr4pn0dcmw/VID_20170313_101325.mp4?dl=0 | 12:08 |
| daftykins | "CTU, dafty...?" | 12:08 |
| daftykins | it just had to be done... | 12:08 |
| diddledan | o_O | 12:10 |
| diddledan | I don't understand what that video is | 12:10 |
| daftykins | well i just got the phone from ebay in the post this morning - and i've put the 24 (TV series) common ringtone on it! ;) | 12:11 |
| daftykins | i.e. super sad but what are you gonna do... | 12:11 |
| diddledan | aha | 12:11 |
| daftykins | having to balance it on a small box though as it didn't come with a stand :( | 12:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | diddledan: Thanks, I wasn't the only one then. | 12:16 |
| diddledan | speaking of 24, there's a new jack-bower-less version running now | 12:17 |
| TwistedLucidity | Enthusiam underflow, please insert biscuits. | 12:17 |
| daftykins | yeah, i've not seen but know it's going on - "24: Legacy" or something | 12:18 |
| diddledan | buffer underrun was the bane of CD writing | 12:18 |
| daftykins | "it doesn't matter who we are" </Bane> | 12:18 |
| daftykins | yeah cor, rewind a good number of years and a client of mine was backing up to DVD-Rs on a *USB* optical drive his old IT guy put in lazily, had to have every single program closed to write the disc and it'd still create coasters | 12:19 |
| daftykins | didn't take me long to retire that task... | 12:21 |
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| * zmoylan-pi remembers installing tape drives back in days of dos when you'd find a customer using ms dos backup to backup their data onto 20+ floppies every week | 13:04 | |
| popey | :) | 13:08 |
| popey | Me too. | 13:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | even using pkzip to write to span floppies would have cut that down to 6-7 in most cases | 13:10 |
| SuperMatt | And then you'd find one of the floppies was corrupted and you'd have to cry forever | 13:11 |
| popey | heh, pkzip... | 13:11 |
| popey | I used to carry round a floppy disk called "Tools" which had all the famous archive tools. pkarc, pkzip, arj, lharc, all the greats ! :) | 13:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | mine was labelled utils... :-) | 13:12 |
| Cueball | I had a tools Floppy disk too :-) | 13:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | which was then a sub directory on a cd-rom called util-cd... :-D | 13:13 |
| popey | I separated utils and tools using some weird criteria | 13:13 |
| popey | I think I eventually split them into utils, tools, and compress for compression tools | 13:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | and i kept some of the tools on my psion so that in case of wonky floppy drive i could copy them on via serial... | 13:14 |
| popey | One day I moved from floppy to Iomega 100MB zip drives, and put it all on one blue plastic disk, happy days | 13:14 |
| popey | hah, brilliant | 13:14 |
| SuperMatt | 100 whole megabites! Those were the days :) | 13:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | ah zip disks... i came to zip disks late as we used ls-120 floppies first till they stopped making them | 13:14 |
| popey | oooh, never saw a ls-120 | 13:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | fully backwards compatible with normal floppy disks | 13:14 |
| popey | my first job had giant bernouli disks (and a Data general 'mainframe' with big winchester disks) | 13:15 |
| popey | that got decommissioned soon after I arrived, but I did have to learn the bootstrap process of flipping switches | 13:15 |
| * zmoylan-pi remembers oohing and ahhhing over the disk pak change on the school vax... | 13:15 | |
| popey | don't think I ever touched a vax either | 13:16 |
| popey | only the terminals | 13:16 |
| Cueball | My boot floppy back then had some nice menus that were generated using config.sys and autoexec.bat. | 13:18 |
| popey | oooh, menus | 13:18 |
| popey | get you! :) | 13:18 |
| Cueball | Started off simple then grew to fit extra needs. | 13:18 |
| Cueball | As for tape drives i never actually used them in DOS days. Never had one until i moved to Linux. | 13:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | we had a bunch of accounting software and point of sales software for video shops that stayed in dos as no one liked the windows alternatives | 13:23 |
| daftykins | :> | 13:23 |
| Cueball | My first PC was an IBM PS/2 286 CPU and 3mb memory. 1mb on board and a 2mb riser card which went into the MCA slot. | 13:27 |
| Cueball | Similar to this one.... | 13:28 |
| * zmoylan-pi winces at mention of mca and casts ward evil | 13:28 | |
| Cueball | http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_60041/ | 13:28 |
| foobarry | when you have to wear headphones because the guy wearing headphones is whistling and stamping his feet :| | 13:28 |
| daftykins | ooh-err | 13:29 |
| * zmoylan-pi hands foobarry laser to shine at plonker every time they do it... | 13:29 | |
| foobarry | debating whether to buy a touchstone charger for my ancient touhcpad tablet | 13:56 |
| foobarry | knowing it will be useless once the tablet dies | 13:56 |
| popey | do you still use that tablet? | 13:57 |
| daftykins | ah i've got one of those knocking around still, untouched | 13:57 |
| foobarry | popey: yes | 13:57 |
| foobarry | nougat has a deep sleep mode | 13:58 |
| foobarry | lasts well | 13:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | touchstone... untouched... is it in your irony box? :-) | 13:58 |
| foobarry | use it on the train to read free magazines from my library via zinio | 13:58 |
| foobarry | sync up teh magz once a month and turn off wifi etc | 13:58 |
| foobarry | also have a hudl2 for home use (mainly watching videos on the lovely screen) | 14:00 |
| diddledan | I do wish Ubuntu Security Announcements to the ML would tell me what a package is/does when they announce a patch. I'd like to see at a glance whether it's likely to be something I have installed or otherwise care about patching immediately. Like the latest one Pillow - wtf is that?! | 18:02 |
| diddledan | maybe they should state whether something is installed by default, too | 18:03 |
| diddledan | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tdPWx9WC/ | 18:04 |
| diddledan | I guess they got the name wrong then | 18:04 |
| diddledan | I do see now that I look harder that there is a three word description of the package on the announcement "Python Imaging Library" | 18:05 |
| diddledan | so do I have that installed? | 18:05 |
| diddledan | am I using it? | 18:05 |
| popey | that may be the source package | 18:05 |
| popey | which builds some other binary package / library | 18:05 |
| popey | python-pil - Python Imaging Library (Pillow fork) | 18:05 |
| diddledan | I think it'ld be nice to state whether something is default installation or not tho so that we can determine likelihood of it being installed without having to go hunting | 18:06 |
| diddledan | seems I do have python3-pil installed | 18:07 |
| diddledan | no idea why | 18:07 |
| diddledan | I miss the days when we knew what was installed and why | 18:09 |
| popey | aptitiude why <packagename> | 18:11 |
| popey | variety needs it here, the wallpaper changer | 18:11 |
| diddledan | The program 'aptitude' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install aptitude :-p | 18:11 |
| diddledan | maybe I should go back to Gentoo :-p | 18:12 |
| * diddledan throws his toys from the pram | 18:12 | |
| diddledan | I think I must be turning into a grouch :-o | 18:13 |
| * diddledan waits for the comment "turning?" | 18:13 | |
| diddledan | at least the other two I know what they are - libevent and libicu | 18:15 |
| diddledan | changing subjects completely: UEFI - I wonder how long it'll be before there's a Linux.efi build which runs the kernel directly on the firmware without the grub intermediary | 18:17 |
| diddledan | already done according to wiki: EFI Boot Stub makes it possible to boot a Linux kernel image without the use of a conventional UEFI boot loader. By masquerading itself as a PE/COFF image and appearing to the firmware as a UEFI application, an x86 kernel image with EFI Boot Stub enabled can be directly loaded and executed by a UEFI firmware. Such kernel | 18:19 |
| diddledan | images can still be loaded and run by BIOS-based boot loaders; thus, EFI Boot Stub allows a single kernel image to work in any boot environment.[5] | 18:19 |
| diddledan | cite: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/efi-stub.txt | 18:19 |
| diddledan | wat. systemd-boot (formally gummiboot).. since when did systemd borg a bootloader?! | 18:21 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: indeed see Jon Masters response to it on google+ | 19:22 |
| diddledan | davmor2: the borging? | 19:23 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: yeap he is not happy | 19:23 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: https://plus.google.com/+JonMasters/posts/7vHeQ3k35iK | 19:26 |
| diddledan | yeah, I just found it at the same time you linked | 19:27 |
| diddledan | oh dear :-p | 19:27 |
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