[08:47] <diplo> Morning all
[08:48] <daftykins> \o
[08:48] <daftykins> happy Monday!
[08:52] <diplo> I'll take your word for it :)
[08:52] <daftykins> :D
[08:52] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:02] <daftykins> \o
[09:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:09] <daftykins> heya o/
[09:12] <brobostigon> hi daftykins
[10:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Napping Day! 😴 💤
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> nap the monday away...
[10:21] <diddledan> allo allo
[10:21] <Laney> what a good idezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzZZzzzZZzzZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[10:21] <diddledan> nap. that sounds like a good plan
[10:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=papuvlVeZg8
[10:35]  * zmoylan-pi spots a bit of carpet getting a sunbeam at the moment and practices what i learned from the cat masters of naps...
[10:43] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: no the beam of light is a death ray honest
[11:45] <diddledan> crazy stupid server, anyone? https://system76.com/servers/starling
[11:49] <TwistedLucidity> A shame they don't have a European/UK operation.
[11:49] <daftykins> ARM 0o
[11:51] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: do they need too it can be shipped
[11:52] <diddledan> import duty
[11:52] <TwistedLucidity> Warranty
[12:07] <TwistedLucidity> Keyboard, power sockets etc
[12:08] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5kehylr4pn0dcmw/VID_20170313_101325.mp4?dl=0
[12:08] <daftykins> "CTU, dafty...?"
[12:08] <daftykins> it just had to be done...
[12:10] <diddledan> o_O
[12:10] <diddledan> I don't understand what that video is
[12:11] <daftykins> well i just got the phone from ebay in the post this morning - and i've put the 24 (TV series) common ringtone on it! ;)
[12:11] <daftykins> i.e. super sad but what are you gonna do...
[12:11] <diddledan> aha
[12:11] <daftykins> having to balance it on a small box though as it didn't come with a stand :(
[12:16] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Thanks, I wasn't the only one then.
[12:17] <diddledan> speaking of 24, there's a new jack-bower-less version running now
[12:17] <TwistedLucidity> Enthusiam underflow, please insert biscuits.
[12:18] <daftykins> yeah, i've not seen but know it's going on - "24: Legacy" or something
[12:18] <diddledan> buffer underrun was the bane of CD writing
[12:18] <daftykins> "it doesn't matter who we are" </Bane>
[12:19] <daftykins> yeah cor, rewind a good number of years and a client of mine was backing up to DVD-Rs on a *USB* optical drive his old IT guy put in lazily, had to have every single program closed to write the disc and it'd still create coasters
[12:21] <daftykins> didn't take me long to retire that task...
[13:04]  * zmoylan-pi remembers installing tape drives back in days of dos when you'd find a customer using ms dos backup to backup their data onto 20+ floppies every week
[13:08] <popey> :)
[13:08] <popey> Me too.
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> even using pkzip to write to span floppies would have cut that down to 6-7 in most cases
[13:11] <SuperMatt> And then you'd find one of the floppies was corrupted and you'd have to cry forever
[13:11] <popey> heh, pkzip...
[13:12] <popey> I used to carry round a floppy disk called "Tools" which had all the famous archive tools. pkarc, pkzip, arj, lharc, all the greats ! :)
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> mine was labelled utils... :-)
[13:13] <Cueball> I had a tools Floppy disk too :-)
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> which was then a sub directory on a cd-rom called util-cd... :-D
[13:13] <popey> I separated utils and tools using some weird criteria
[13:13] <popey> I think I eventually split them into utils, tools, and compress for compression tools
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> and i kept some of the tools on my psion so that in case of wonky floppy drive i could copy them on via serial...
[13:14] <popey> One day I moved from floppy to Iomega 100MB zip drives, and put it all on one blue plastic disk, happy days
[13:14] <popey> hah, brilliant
[13:14] <SuperMatt> 100 whole megabites! Those were the days :)
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> ah zip disks... i came to zip disks late as we used ls-120 floppies first till they stopped making them
[13:14] <popey> oooh, never saw a ls-120
[13:14] <zmoylan-pi> fully backwards compatible with normal floppy disks
[13:15] <popey> my first job had giant bernouli disks (and a Data general 'mainframe' with big winchester disks)
[13:15] <popey> that got decommissioned soon after I arrived, but I did have to learn the bootstrap process of flipping switches
[13:15]  * zmoylan-pi remembers oohing and ahhhing over the disk pak change on the school vax...
[13:16] <popey> don't think I ever touched a vax either
[13:16] <popey> only the terminals
[13:18] <Cueball> My boot floppy back then had some nice menus that were generated using config.sys and autoexec.bat.
[13:18] <popey> oooh, menus
[13:18] <popey> get you! :)
[13:18] <Cueball> Started off simple then grew to fit extra needs.
[13:19] <Cueball> As for tape drives i never actually used them in DOS days. Never had one until i moved to Linux.
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> we had a bunch of accounting software and point of sales software for video shops that stayed in dos as no one liked the windows alternatives
[13:23] <daftykins> :>
[13:27] <Cueball> My first PC was an IBM PS/2 286 CPU and 3mb memory. 1mb on board and a 2mb riser card which went into the MCA slot.
[13:28] <Cueball> Similar to this one....
[13:28]  * zmoylan-pi winces at mention of mca and casts ward evil
[13:28] <Cueball> http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_60041/
[13:28] <foobarry> when you have to wear headphones because the guy wearing headphones is whistling and stamping his feet :|
[13:29] <daftykins> ooh-err
[13:29]  * zmoylan-pi hands foobarry laser to shine at plonker every time they do it...
[13:56] <foobarry> debating whether to buy a touchstone charger for my ancient touhcpad tablet
[13:56] <foobarry> knowing it will be useless once the tablet dies
[13:57] <popey> do you still use that tablet?
[13:57] <daftykins> ah i've got one of those knocking around still, untouched
[13:57] <foobarry> popey: yes
[13:58] <foobarry> nougat has a deep sleep mode
[13:58] <foobarry> lasts well
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> touchstone... untouched... is it in your irony box? :-)
[13:58] <foobarry> use it on the train to read free magazines from my library via zinio
[13:58] <foobarry> sync up teh magz once a month and turn off wifi etc
[14:00] <foobarry> also have a hudl2 for home use (mainly watching videos on the lovely screen)
[18:02] <diddledan> I do wish Ubuntu Security Announcements to the ML would tell me what a package is/does when they announce a patch. I'd like to see at a glance whether it's likely to be something I have installed or otherwise care about patching immediately. Like the latest one Pillow - wtf is that?!
[18:03] <diddledan> maybe they should state whether something is installed by default, too
[18:04] <diddledan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tdPWx9WC/
[18:04] <diddledan> I guess they got the name wrong then
[18:05] <diddledan> I do see now that I look harder that there is a three word description of the package on the announcement "Python Imaging Library"
[18:05] <diddledan> so do I have that installed?
[18:05] <diddledan> am I using it?
[18:05] <popey> that may be the source package
[18:05] <popey> which builds some other binary package / library
[18:05] <popey> python-pil - Python Imaging Library (Pillow fork)
[18:06] <diddledan> I think it'ld be nice to state whether something is default installation or not tho so that we can determine likelihood of it being installed without having to go hunting
[18:07] <diddledan> seems I do have python3-pil installed
[18:07] <diddledan> no idea why
[18:09] <diddledan> I miss the days when we knew what was installed and why
[18:11] <popey> aptitiude why <packagename>
[18:11] <popey> variety needs it here, the wallpaper changer
[18:11] <diddledan> The program 'aptitude' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install aptitude :-p
[18:12] <diddledan> maybe I should go back to Gentoo :-p
[18:12]  * diddledan throws his toys from the pram
[18:13] <diddledan> I think I must be turning into a grouch :-o
[18:13]  * diddledan waits for the comment "turning?"
[18:15] <diddledan> at least the other two I know what they are - libevent and libicu
[18:17] <diddledan> changing subjects completely: UEFI - I wonder how long it'll be before there's a Linux.efi build which runs the kernel directly on the firmware without the grub intermediary
[18:19] <diddledan> already done according to wiki: EFI Boot Stub makes it possible to boot a Linux kernel image without the use of a conventional UEFI boot loader. By masquerading itself as a PE/COFF image and appearing to the firmware as a UEFI application, an x86 kernel image with EFI Boot Stub enabled can be directly loaded and executed by a UEFI firmware. Such kernel
[18:19] <diddledan> images can still be loaded and run by BIOS-based boot loaders; thus, EFI Boot Stub allows a single kernel image to work in any boot environment.[5]
[18:19] <diddledan> cite: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/efi-stub.txt
[18:21] <diddledan> wat. systemd-boot (formally gummiboot).. since when did systemd borg a bootloader?!
[19:22] <davmor2> diddledan: indeed see Jon Masters response to it on google+
[19:23] <diddledan> davmor2: the borging?
[19:23] <davmor2> diddledan: yeap he is not happy
[19:26] <davmor2> diddledan: https://plus.google.com/+JonMasters/posts/7vHeQ3k35iK
[19:27] <diddledan> yeah, I just found it at the same time you linked
[19:27] <diddledan> oh dear :-p