[08:47] Morning all [08:48] \o [08:48] happy Monday! [08:52] I'll take your word for it :) [08:52] :D [08:52] morning [09:02] Morning all [09:02] \o [09:09] morning boys and girls. [09:09] heya o/ [09:12] hi daftykins [10:19] Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Napping Day! 😴 💤 [10:19] nap the monday away... [10:21] allo allo [10:21] what a good idezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzZZzzzZZzzZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz [10:21] nap. that sounds like a good plan [10:27] JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=papuvlVeZg8 [10:35] * zmoylan-pi spots a bit of carpet getting a sunbeam at the moment and practices what i learned from the cat masters of naps... [10:43] zmoylan-pi: no the beam of light is a death ray honest [11:45] crazy stupid server, anyone? https://system76.com/servers/starling [11:49] A shame they don't have a European/UK operation. [11:49] ARM 0o [11:51] TwistedLucidity: do they need too it can be shipped [11:52] import duty [11:52] Warranty [12:07] Keyboard, power sockets etc [12:08] https://www.dropbox.com/s/5kehylr4pn0dcmw/VID_20170313_101325.mp4?dl=0 [12:08] "CTU, dafty...?" [12:08] it just had to be done... [12:10] o_O [12:10] I don't understand what that video is [12:11] well i just got the phone from ebay in the post this morning - and i've put the 24 (TV series) common ringtone on it! ;) [12:11] i.e. super sad but what are you gonna do... [12:11] aha [12:11] having to balance it on a small box though as it didn't come with a stand :( [12:16] diddledan: Thanks, I wasn't the only one then. [12:17] speaking of 24, there's a new jack-bower-less version running now [12:17] Enthusiam underflow, please insert biscuits. [12:18] yeah, i've not seen but know it's going on - "24: Legacy" or something [12:18] buffer underrun was the bane of CD writing [12:18] "it doesn't matter who we are" [12:19] yeah cor, rewind a good number of years and a client of mine was backing up to DVD-Rs on a *USB* optical drive his old IT guy put in lazily, had to have every single program closed to write the disc and it'd still create coasters [12:21] didn't take me long to retire that task... === layke is now known as Guest48505 [13:04] * zmoylan-pi remembers installing tape drives back in days of dos when you'd find a customer using ms dos backup to backup their data onto 20+ floppies every week [13:08] :) [13:08] Me too. [13:10] even using pkzip to write to span floppies would have cut that down to 6-7 in most cases [13:11] And then you'd find one of the floppies was corrupted and you'd have to cry forever [13:11] heh, pkzip... [13:12] I used to carry round a floppy disk called "Tools" which had all the famous archive tools. pkarc, pkzip, arj, lharc, all the greats ! :) [13:12] mine was labelled utils... :-) [13:13] I had a tools Floppy disk too :-) [13:13] which was then a sub directory on a cd-rom called util-cd... :-D [13:13] I separated utils and tools using some weird criteria [13:13] I think I eventually split them into utils, tools, and compress for compression tools [13:14] and i kept some of the tools on my psion so that in case of wonky floppy drive i could copy them on via serial... [13:14] One day I moved from floppy to Iomega 100MB zip drives, and put it all on one blue plastic disk, happy days [13:14] hah, brilliant [13:14] 100 whole megabites! Those were the days :) [13:14] ah zip disks... i came to zip disks late as we used ls-120 floppies first till they stopped making them [13:14] oooh, never saw a ls-120 [13:14] fully backwards compatible with normal floppy disks [13:15] my first job had giant bernouli disks (and a Data general 'mainframe' with big winchester disks) [13:15] that got decommissioned soon after I arrived, but I did have to learn the bootstrap process of flipping switches [13:15] * zmoylan-pi remembers oohing and ahhhing over the disk pak change on the school vax... [13:16] don't think I ever touched a vax either [13:16] only the terminals [13:18] My boot floppy back then had some nice menus that were generated using config.sys and autoexec.bat. [13:18] oooh, menus [13:18] get you! :) [13:18] Started off simple then grew to fit extra needs. [13:19] As for tape drives i never actually used them in DOS days. Never had one until i moved to Linux. [13:23] we had a bunch of accounting software and point of sales software for video shops that stayed in dos as no one liked the windows alternatives [13:23] :> [13:27] My first PC was an IBM PS/2 286 CPU and 3mb memory. 1mb on board and a 2mb riser card which went into the MCA slot. [13:28] Similar to this one.... [13:28] * zmoylan-pi winces at mention of mca and casts ward evil [13:28] http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/alf/ps2_60041/ [13:28] when you have to wear headphones because the guy wearing headphones is whistling and stamping his feet :| [13:29] ooh-err [13:29] * zmoylan-pi hands foobarry laser to shine at plonker every time they do it... [13:56] debating whether to buy a touchstone charger for my ancient touhcpad tablet [13:56] knowing it will be useless once the tablet dies [13:57] do you still use that tablet? [13:57] ah i've got one of those knocking around still, untouched [13:57] popey: yes [13:58] nougat has a deep sleep mode [13:58] lasts well [13:58] touchstone... untouched... is it in your irony box? :-) [13:58] use it on the train to read free magazines from my library via zinio [13:58] sync up teh magz once a month and turn off wifi etc [14:00] also have a hudl2 for home use (mainly watching videos on the lovely screen) [18:02] I do wish Ubuntu Security Announcements to the ML would tell me what a package is/does when they announce a patch. I'd like to see at a glance whether it's likely to be something I have installed or otherwise care about patching immediately. Like the latest one Pillow - wtf is that?! [18:03] maybe they should state whether something is installed by default, too [18:04] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tdPWx9WC/ [18:04] I guess they got the name wrong then [18:05] I do see now that I look harder that there is a three word description of the package on the announcement "Python Imaging Library" [18:05] so do I have that installed? [18:05] am I using it? [18:05] that may be the source package [18:05] which builds some other binary package / library [18:05] python-pil - Python Imaging Library (Pillow fork) [18:06] I think it'ld be nice to state whether something is default installation or not tho so that we can determine likelihood of it being installed without having to go hunting [18:07] seems I do have python3-pil installed [18:07] no idea why [18:09] I miss the days when we knew what was installed and why [18:11] aptitiude why [18:11] variety needs it here, the wallpaper changer [18:11] The program 'aptitude' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt install aptitude :-p [18:12] maybe I should go back to Gentoo :-p [18:12] * diddledan throws his toys from the pram [18:13] I think I must be turning into a grouch :-o [18:13] * diddledan waits for the comment "turning?" [18:15] at least the other two I know what they are - libevent and libicu [18:17] changing subjects completely: UEFI - I wonder how long it'll be before there's a Linux.efi build which runs the kernel directly on the firmware without the grub intermediary [18:19] already done according to wiki: EFI Boot Stub makes it possible to boot a Linux kernel image without the use of a conventional UEFI boot loader. By masquerading itself as a PE/COFF image and appearing to the firmware as a UEFI application, an x86 kernel image with EFI Boot Stub enabled can be directly loaded and executed by a UEFI firmware. Such kernel [18:19] images can still be loaded and run by BIOS-based boot loaders; thus, EFI Boot Stub allows a single kernel image to work in any boot environment.[5] [18:19] cite: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/efi-stub.txt [18:21] wat. systemd-boot (formally gummiboot).. since when did systemd borg a bootloader?! [19:22] diddledan: indeed see Jon Masters response to it on google+ [19:23] davmor2: the borging? [19:23] diddledan: yeap he is not happy [19:26] diddledan: https://plus.google.com/+JonMasters/posts/7vHeQ3k35iK [19:27] yeah, I just found it at the same time you linked [19:27] oh dear :-p