[00:27] <donofrio> anyone know the status of this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaboot/+bug/1606089 ??
[00:28] <donofrio> it's suppose to have grub2 but only installs yaboot that is not booting on my host ??
[00:30] <donofrio> this is what I see when I manually install grub http://paste.ubuntu.com/24171760/
[00:33] <donofrio> cannot boot after install - http://tinyurl.com/g5-boot-after-1704-ext2-root
[00:34] <nacc> donofrio: just an fyi, powerpc is gone (afaik)?
[00:34] <nacc> donofrio: http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-17-04-zesty-zapus-to-drop-support-for-32-bit-powerpc-ppc-architectures-511239.shtml ?
[00:34] <donofrio> so g5 is that?
[00:35] <nacc> donofrio: yeah -- although i'm trying to find the official:
[00:35] <nacc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2016-December/001199.html
[00:35] <donofrio> also why would there be a 17.04 for powerpc if going away (I have aboute 18 mac's and love ubuntu) video working network working apps working installs work just doesn't boot...
[00:35] <hggdh> well, it seems 32bit PPC is gone, but not necessarily 64bits
[00:36] <donofrio> k g5 is 64 bit
[00:36] <nacc> right, ppc64le is different
[00:36] <nacc> i believe the g5 is still BE
[00:36] <donofrio> was told 970 is not ppc64le, I scratch my head I have inxi for ya if helpful
[00:36] <donofrio> BE?
[00:37] <nacc> big endian
[00:37] <nacc> donofrio: right, the 970 is BE, iirc
[00:37] <nacc> donofrio: what does `uname -a` say?
[00:39] <donofrio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24171735/ ?
[00:39] <donofrio> hopefully that helps
[00:41] <nacc> donofrio: ok, 64-bit BE
[00:41] <nacc> donofrio: which ISO did you use to install?
[00:42] <nacc> donofrio: after installing grub2, it seems like grub-install possibly didn't run
[00:42] <nacc> donofrio: and yaboot is still present
[00:42] <donofrio> xenial-alternate-powerpc
[00:43] <nacc> oh and you release upgraded up?
[00:43] <donofrio> it did run just doesn't seem to do what it's suppose to.
[00:45] <donofrio> I chrooted and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y && apt-gte autoclean -y && apt-get autoremove -y
[00:45] <donofrio> didn't help
[00:46] <donofrio> but I'm 4.10 now ;) wish I should boot
[00:46] <nacc> donofrio: ok, i've been trying to understand this for a while -- afaict, you might be using a 64-bit kernel but userspace is still 32-bit, maybe? can you do pastebin something like `file $(which file)` ?
[00:46] <donofrio> my issue is  "/ht@0,f2000000/pci@7/k2-sata-root@c/@0/@0:3,/vmlinux: no such file or directory"
[00:47] <donofrio> returned from yaboot upon boot
[00:48] <nacc> donofrio: right, but that's because you're using yaboot stil
[00:48] <nacc> i'm *guessing* that 17.04 didn't migrate to use grub2 yet, and needs some manual twiddling
[00:48] <donofrio> agreed
[00:48] <nacc> e.g., you could try `grub-install /dev/sd$(insert appropriate value)` -- but that might also make your system not boot :)
[00:49] <nacc> donofrio: you may want to google around
[00:49] <nacc> donofrio: and you may also want to try installing from the zesty ISO and not dist-upgrading
[00:49] <donofrio> yah anyone got a script for this - http://cynic.cc/blog/posts/running_grub2_on_powerpc_macs
[00:52] <nacc> donofrio: you can see here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/
[00:52] <nacc> donofrio: the powerpc ISOs are not being built anymore
[00:52] <nacc> donofrio: i imagine that you might find the archive is also possible not getting updated
[00:53] <donofrio> I didn't install this time with alt, the last four rebuilds useing "zesty-desktop-powerpc.iso	2017-02-08 17:24	919M"
[00:55] <nacc> hggdh: it's confusing, really, becuase i *think* BE 64-bit was only installable via the powerpc (which to me is 32-bit) ISO
[00:56] <hggdh> nacc: heh. I myself do not know, left PPC a lon time ago
[00:56] <nacc> hggdh: yeah, i'm trying to remember (i was at ibm still when the ppc64el stuff was started and going round and round on these)
[00:57] <nacc> i know ppc64el is not comptaible with the apple macs
[00:57] <nacc> donofrio: did you provide that `file` output?
[00:57] <donofrio> yes to show you what time this was released
[00:58] <donofrio> if your asking about that iso I just posted
[00:58] <nacc> donofrio: no, i mean i need to see `file $(which file)` output
[01:01] <nacc> donofrio: also, debian (afaict) no longer supports any non-LE power machines
[01:01] <nacc> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/10/msg00008.html
[01:01] <nacc> well, with stretch they won't
[01:01] <donofrio> but BE will be correct ;)
[01:01] <nacc> donofrio: hrm?
[01:02] <donofrio> hrm?
[01:02] <donofrio> dunno that term
[01:02] <nacc> donofrio: were you just making a joke?
[01:02] <nacc> donofrio: "hrm" like the noise one makes when murmuring
[01:02] <donofrio> no
[01:03] <nacc> donofrio: can you please provide `file $(which file)` ?
[01:17] <donofrio> working on it - started ssh
[01:20] <donofrio> http://apaste.info/UjimD
[01:20] <nacc> donofrio: right that's 32-bit powerpc
[01:20] <nacc> donofrio: in userspace
[01:20] <nacc> only the kernel is 64-bit
[01:21] <nacc> and that's what no longer will exist
[01:21] <nacc> (that being 32-bit powerpc)
[01:21] <nacc> donofrio: you should go back to 16.04 or so
[01:21] <donofrio> 16.04 videio was weird and unstable if i recall....why not use 17.04?
[01:23] <nacc> donofrio: because, afaict, it's sort of on its way out ... there's no guarantee it will stay maintained in the archive (aiui the discussion states if a pacakge FTBFS on powerpc it might just get deleted from powerpc, although i'm not sure htat is official)
[01:27] <donofrio> so 16.04 then upgrade to 17.04 any howto's or hints as to keeping most current while still not installing 17.04 but dist-upgrade to it I guess
[01:29] <nacc> donofrio: no, i don't think you want to run 17.04 at all
[01:29] <nacc> donofrio: just stay on 16.04
[01:29] <nacc> donofrio: as per that e-mail i linked to, that's your best bet
[01:29] <nacc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2016-December/001199.html
[01:29] <nacc> donofrio: 16.04 is supported for 5 years
[01:30] <nacc> donofrio: or you might try other distributions, but both debian and ubuntu are dropping the 32-bit powerpc support (which is the version you have installed)
[01:30] <donofrio> 16.04 seems unstable video wise, like missing agp support and more....17.04 works just yaboot not booting and would like a workaround or something (not looking for quick answer just always want to be newest I can.)
[01:31] <nacc> donofrio: it doesn't make sense to be on the newest if it's not supported
[01:32] <donofrio> during livedvd session it's been the most stable I've run.....just yaboot doesn't know how to recall openfirmware path or something like that
[01:43] <donofrio> how do I let someone know that bug id that we are still out here ;)
[01:45] <donofrio> and we want to help ;)
[14:53] <nacc_> donofrio_: got confirmation that powerpc will be deleted from the archive in 17.04, so you really don't want run it
[14:53] <nacc_> donofrio_: there's nothing you can do, and it doesn't make sense to even test it
[14:54] <nacc_> (afaict)
[15:33] <donofrio_> nacc, why are they killing something that is working....video on 16.04/10 was unstable, sound was hard to get working in 17.04 live dvd session these are all working first time in years
[15:35] <nacc> donofrio_: it's not working, it's not maintained
[15:35] <nacc> donofrio_: and you then clearly didn't read the e-mail I sent that explained that, yesterday
[15:35] <donofrio_> why does it seem to be working (just wondering)
[15:35] <donofrio_> you sent me email
[15:35] <donofrio_> ?
[15:35] <nacc> I linked to it 2 times yesterday
[15:36] <donofrio_> reviewing log
[15:36] <nacc> donofrio_: well, because they haven't deleted the archives yet. Eventually `apt` won't be able to do anything
[15:37] <donofrio_> it's just a sad day because I have 2 - G5's 6 - MacMini's, 5 powerbooks, so yah ;(
[15:38] <nacc> you have 4 more years of 16.04
[15:38] <donofrio_> I didn't want to load 12.04 because I thought that was too old now I put 17.04 on it and its not supported ;(
[15:39] <nacc> well, 12.04 goes eol next month
[15:39] <nacc> so that would be a bad choice
[15:39] <donofrio_> yes I agree
[15:39] <nacc> 14.04 or 16.04 should work; if they don't, then you can file bugs for them
[15:40] <donofrio_> they don't work in various degree's mostly video is unstable and I was told it maybe because agp was removed from the kernel....
[15:40] <nacc> if that was true, then 17.04 wouln't magically work, would it?
[15:40] <donofrio_> well it's displaying and not locking up....same hardware newer distro....
[15:41] <nacc> donofrio_: it sounds like you don't actually know what the root cause was -- and since 17.04 is no longer supporting those particular machines, if you want to resolve it, you can try and boot 16.04 (or liveusb or whatever) and ask in #ubuntu
[15:42] <donofrio_> no youtube video of meeting from - summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1611/meeting/22714/architecture-discussions/ ;(
[15:42] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[15:42] <nacc> there's a whole section on graphics problems
[15:42] <nacc> donofrio_: the IRC log explains it, iirc
[15:43] <donofrio_> I know very well the issues with 16.04 and the faq's hence why I'm klike 17.04 your gold for me...but then now I take it...
[15:43] <nacc> well, 17.04 isn't out yet, so you used it at your own risk...
[15:44]  * nacc recalls the decision to drop powerpc was pretty broadly covered. And Debian had already made that change.
[16:21] <donofrio_> going to have to start learning portage again, havn't used gentoo sence the first xbox when I ran gentoox.....hope I never bother you good folks, thank you for all you do....
[16:28] <nacc> donofrio_: i think fedora may still support powerpc (not sure)
[17:28] <donofrio_> what is the package that can take you from a text install to a full gui with xfce and packages that are used by daily desktop folks....I forget what it's called...
[17:30] <nacc> donofrio_: xubuntu-desktop?
[17:31] <nacc> donofrio_: may want to ask in #ubuntu
[17:31] <donofrio_> k tnx