[06:00] <hikiko> hello
[08:12] <Sweetshark-web> hello fellow kids!
[08:13]  * Sweetshark-web is still setting up his new box, so using some ... ad-hoc setup here for now for IRC.
[08:49] <ksamak> Trevinho: hi, just for info, i've updated my coding style on https://code.launchpad.net/~ksamak/compiz/ezoom_focus_tracking/+merge/318270
[09:03] <Laney> moin moin
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you today?
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark-web, Laney! re seb128
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:06] <Laney> hey seb128 hey didrocks hey Sweetshark-web hey davmor2!
[09:06] <Laney> seb128: GREAT!
[09:06] <Laney> climbing last night, then had fish & chips round a friend's house
[09:07] <Laney> how are you all?
[09:07] <Laney> Sweetshark-web: what's the new machine?
[09:07] <didrocks> good good! Trying to handle life :-)
[09:07] <didrocks> hey davmor2
[09:07] <seb128> hey Sweetshark-web davmor2, re didrocks
[09:08] <davmor2> Laney: good thanks my evening was nearly as exciting we went shopping
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, nice! weather is nice here, need to go play some tennis (probably tomorrow), the winter season is over and the summer one didn't start yet so we don't have training atm, I went to dutch class yesterday which is nice but less exciting
[09:09] <didrocks> davmor2: well, you may have to climb :)
[09:09] <davmor2> didrocks: I was up the wall I can tell you ;)
[09:09] <didrocks> heh
[09:09] <Laney> seb128: the dutch have been in the news a lot this week ;-)
[09:10] <seb128> yeah, elections are coming!
[09:10] <Laney> do you get to vote?
[09:10] <seb128> oh, also international conflicts
[09:10] <seb128> no, it's only dutch citizen
[09:10] <seb128> residents can vote at local/city elections only
[09:11] <Laney> same here i think
[09:51]  * Laney is having fun in a fedora instance
[09:57] <seb128> Laney, what are you trying there?
[09:59] <Sweetshark-web> Laney: lenovo t450s
[09:59] <Sweetshark-web> eh t460s
[10:01] <Laney> seb128: debugging a crash in an upstream friendly way
[10:02] <Laney> lxd has fedora images :-)
[10:02] <davmor2> flocculant: \o/ at last I'm not going mad \o/
[10:02] <davmor2> flocculant: thanks for that dude :)
[10:02] <seb128> :-)
[10:03] <Sweetshark-web> i5, 20GB RAM, 512GB SSD. needed some convincing to install Ubuntu (first needed to disable this UEFI/TPM crap, then install from USB CD didnt work, install of 16.04.2 from USB stick didnt work either "something something kernel: invalid argument", install of 16.10 from stick then worked)
[10:04] <Sweetshark-web> Laney: was a bit worried that I bought a machine that I couldnt install Ubuntu on when 16.04 from stick failed too.
[10:05] <davmor2> Sweetshark-web: what did you use to transfer the image to usb?
[10:05]  * Sweetshark-web makes mental note to permanently disable computrace in bios now that the machine is basically up.
[10:05] <davmor2> Sweetshark-web: also you could probably of got it working with uefi if you used 64 bit
[10:06] <Sweetshark-web> davmor2: that usb startup creator thingie on my old 16.04 machine.
[10:07] <davmor2> Sweetshark-web: next time try disks I found it was more reliable
[10:22] <Sweetshark-web> Being away from email for one day: find 500 and 1295 new emails on the next in the accounts.
[10:26]  * Sweetshark-web still need to split out old mail. 36GB of email seems to approach "too much" for notmuch, your friendly email indexer.
[10:27] <Sweetshark-web> good to see it carried me this far though.
[11:22]  * Sweetshark-web likes the battery life of the new machine: 11h30 remaining with 80% charge left.
[11:40] <Laney> https://rr-project.org/
[11:40] <Laney> not seen that before
[11:50] <OerHeks>  This server could not prove that it is rr-project.org; its security certificate is from *.github.com.
[11:50] <OerHeks> yeah, don't visit that page
[11:52] <Laney> OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:53] <OerHeks> without the https, the page loads fine, Laney http://rr-project.org/
[11:54] <Laney> good, hope that makes you feel safe
[12:09] <davmor2> seb128, Laney: what's the difference between xterm and uxterm cause I can't find uxterm package and the description of xterm and uxterm are identical
[12:15] <Laney> davmor2: different settings related to unicode or something, see the manpage?
[12:15] <davmor2> Laney: thanks dude
[12:16] <Laney> not everything has its own package - in this case both come from xterm
[12:16] <Laney> dpkg -S /path/to/binary
[12:16] <Laney> dpkg -S $(which uxterm)
[12:16] <davmor2> Laney: yeah that's what I thought but I couldn't see any difference between them which is what was throwing me
[12:17] <davmor2> Laney: so you are right uxterm is for unicode environments so thanks for that :)
[12:19] <Laney> cool
[12:22] <flocculant> davmor2: :) hate to think that not saying anything and laughing behind your back would make you feel mad ...
[12:22] <davmor2> flocculant: hahaha I don't need help to feel mad just ask Laney :D
[12:22] <flocculant> :)
[12:24] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: question why do we put the three icons for libreoffice in the launcher and not just the lo launcher?  I'm assuming it is specified somewhere but just wondered about it
[13:25] <mterry> seb128: is there an existing silo for unity-control-center?  If not, mind if I spin one out for my onlyshowin-unity7-take2 branch?
[13:30] <seb128> mterry, hey, I'm not aware of a u-c-c silo but I didn't pay much attention to what is going on there recently, the list of silos is public though so it should be easy enough to check?
[13:31] <mterry> seb128: sure I can check for current ones, just checking in in case there were plans or whatever -- I'll manage it
[13:31] <seb128> I don't think there is
[13:31] <seb128> we have the XDG_DESKTOP_DESKTOP always including "Unity7" nowadays?
[13:32] <seb128> the change looks fine on principle/to land to me so feel free to put it into a silo
[13:33] <mterry> k
[13:34] <mterry> seb128: yeah u7 does Unity;Unity7 and u8 does Unity;Unity8
[13:34] <mterry> I don't think it was used (until this)
[13:34] <Laney> It's new in zesty
[13:39] <seb128> that's done by gnome-session right?
[13:40] <seb128> or asked different it doesn't require you to use a lightdm or gdm to start your session to have the correct value?
[13:42] <mterry> Yeah, gnome-session
[13:42] <seb128> cool
[13:47] <Sweet5hark> davmor2: that was a design decision I havent be part of originally.
[15:27]  * willcooke rings the bell
[15:29]  * Sweetshark wants food then.
[15:29] <seb128> early bell today?
[15:30] <Sweetshark> fooood!
[15:30] <seb128> or is the bell saying that's it getting late to get that tea ready before the meeting? ;-)
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting - 2017-03-14
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 14 15:30:19 2017 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> seb128, it's the "last orders, finish your pint" bell :D
[15:30] <seb128> :-)
[15:30]  * willcooke puts down his cocktail 
[15:30] <hikiko> hey
[15:30] <hikiko> guys
[15:30] <willcooke> hey hikiko - are you here for the meeting?
[15:31] <hikiko> willcooke, I forgot to send my bullets
[15:31] <hikiko> and I was about to leave
[15:31] <hikiko> can I paste them here?
[15:31] <hikiko> 1st?
[15:31] <hikiko> sorrt!!
[15:31] <willcooke> ah sure
[15:31] <willcooke> I've got your email, but let's do thgat
[15:31] <andyrock> hey
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron (out), hikiko (not out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <seb128> _o/
[15:31] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:31] <hikiko> oh ok then!
[15:32] <hikiko> * chromium:
[15:32] <hikiko> - begun working on input handling, I've done some initial stub implementations and now adding code
[15:32] <hikiko> * u7:
[15:32] <hikiko> - working on a focus/deco related bug that breaks the rolling windows and causes some other issues +looking at our grab code
[15:32] <hikiko> EOF
[15:32] <hikiko> thanks + sorry!
[15:32] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:32] <desrt> o hai
[15:32] <willcooke> hikiko, did the UI for low gfx land
[15:32] <willcooke> ?
[15:32] <hikiko> good afternoon everyone /me leaving
[15:32] <hikiko> no willcooke :/
[15:32] <hikiko> waiting for review
[15:32] <willcooke> hikiko, Trevinho , please could you close that out tomorrow ^
[15:33] <willcooke> thanks hikiko, have a good evening
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <Trevinho> ok
[15:33] <andyrock> basically working on cr+mir
[15:33] <andyrock> I've been working on gbm buffer surfaces, I got the first results now I'm fixing it
[15:33] <andyrock> problems with mir mostly
[15:33] <andyrock> eof
[15:33] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> hey
[15:34] <attente> just gtk-mir bugs and some discussions about possibly overhauling the clipboard api upstream for the content-hub clipboard app
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <desrt> hey.  dconf stuff.  getting the service to actually use the new object hierarchy instead of the old code.  expect workingness in another week.
[15:35] <desrt> eof.
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey
[15:35] <dgadomski> * submitted fix to bug #1646585
[15:35] <dgadomski> * working on bug #1654696
[15:35] <dgadomski> eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:36] <FJKong> hey
[15:36] <FJKong> #1644781 Sushi-start fails with 16.10 upgrade, both Unity and Mate
[15:36] <FJKong> #1656071 Expect Preview in 16.10 When I Press Space, Instead, Nothing Happens
[15:36] <FJKong> Discuss about list of Top  Chinese apps for snapping.
[15:36] <FJKong> some other merging work and avahi learning
[15:36] <FJKong> eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic flocculant
[15:37] <willcooke> err
[15:37] <willcooke> sorry flocculant
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> Time appropriate greetings!
[15:37] <flexiondotorg>  - PoC Nylas Pro snap
[15:37] <flexiondotorg>  - Call with Screen Cloud.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg>  - PoC Vectr snap
[15:37] <flexiondotorg>  - Call with Nylas.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg>  - Updated PoC snap for Brave.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg>  - Thanks to Trevinho Indicator icons fixed in Electron apps.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg>   - Update Skype, Discord, Itch, Visual Studio Code, Spotity, Brave.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> - Call with Vectr
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> - Created script for a video and documentation for Electron developers who want to snap their applications.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> - Contacting projects and ISVs to introduce them the snaps.
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> end
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> And I've got people who are interested in cr+mir
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks flexiondotorg
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
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[15:38] <willcooke> Re: Weekly meeting today - 1530 UTC
[15:38] <willcooke> Inbox
[15:38] <willcooke> x
[15:38] <willcooke> Aron Xu	
[15:38] <willcooke> Hi, Sorry wasn't sending this in time: 1. nm-oem PPA for priority NM updates ...
[15:38] <willcooke> 8 Mar (6 days ago)
[15:38] <willcooke> Aron Xu
[15:38] <willcooke> 11:12 (4 hours ago)
[15:38] <willcooke> to me
[15:38] <willcooke> 1. Sync with OEM people for a list of NM bugs they care the most
[15:38] <willcooke> 2. Fix of LP: #1656785
[15:38] <willcooke> 3. Follow up of Laney's security fix on nm-applet with upstream
[15:38] <willcooke> 4. zfs-linux initramfs improvements, along with ADT fix
[15:38] <willcooke> wat!
[15:38] <willcooke> le sigh
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:39] <Laney> oic
[15:39] <Laney> • autopkgtest:
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ rework ssh-debug-hook patch after pi_tti's review, re-test (fight with testsuite), deploy
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ camitk is a big test
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ OOMs are a sign of a real failure if they happen a lot
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ try to chivvy some people to fix tests (sphinx, camitk <- qtbase)
[15:39] <Laney> • sync glib2.0 with new big packaging update after running it by the RT
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ notice that the gdb integration is partially installed in a wrong path, prep a commit to fix that
[15:39] <Laney> ∘ tests are broken with tzdata 2017a, submitted a patch upstream
[15:39] <Laney> • try to fix some tests (gjs -> libsecret is a new failure, fwded at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779918)
[15:39] <Laney> • tried to give some team members hints about things they might work on
[15:39] <Laney> • Upload new default wallpaper
[15:39] <Laney> • Some random merges / syncs of new versions and some sponsoring
[15:39] <Laney> • FYI: off Thursday & Friday
[15:39] <Laney> 🚡
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks Laney :)
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:40] <qengho> flexiondotorg: * Released Chromium v56 update.
[15:40] <qengho> * Buiding new Chromium v57. Fixing ARM64 on Y and X again.
[15:40] <qengho> Ugh. ignore the f:
[15:40] <qengho> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks qengho, any joy with that ARM64 h/w?
[15:41] <qengho> I haven't ordered.
[15:41] <qengho> Soon.
[15:41] <willcooke> ack
[15:41] <willcooke> thx
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:41] <seb128> • looked at the libinput current status and what work we need to do next cycle to make it default for Unity, commented on potential backport to 16.04 (request from the oem team)
[15:41] <seb128> • tested gtk theming with the current snap desktop launcher and gtk platform snap (some user emailed about having issues with that)
[15:41] <seb128> • joined some meetings discussing desktop work that might be needed in next cycles (like libinput)
[15:41] <seb128> • usual day-to-day work (bugs triaging, some reviews, participated to some mailing list discussions, ...)
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[15:41] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Sweetshark
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - tried to reproduce yakkety 5.2.6/i386 test fail locally: Didnt work, seems to be fine in a local VM
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - uploaded 5.2.6/yakkety l10n package (missing due to ppa size limits)
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - merged upstream memory management work, had fun with regression due to changes on master after the patch was pushed to review
[15:42] <Sweetshark>   (CI of change green, master green, merge red)
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - backups and slowly decommissioning my trusty Lenovo W520 (and along with it: "The Brick" as you affectionally called its 170W power supply)
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - setup of shiny new Lenovo T460s. Some issues: Disabled TPM for install, still couldnt boot from 16.04.2 USB-CD, tried to boot 16.04.2 USB-Stick: failed with ",,, kernel: invalid parameter", finally succeeded setting up from a 16.10 USB stick
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BjoernMichaelsem/YourDeveloperApplication (whoa, thats dated)
[15:42] <Sweetshark> - 1-2 endorsements there would be good, as pitti is formally not a peer anymore :_(
[15:42] <Sweetshark> EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> desktoppers, please endorse Sweetshark ^
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks Sweetshark
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:43] <willcooke> * Finally tracked down the at-spi race condition, or what I thought was a race condition. See bug 1670933.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Continued debugging of the installer in xenial not working properly with orca on some pages. I think it may have something to do with main loops being started/stopped, something we had a problem with before, but was solved at the time.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Spent time getting more acquainted with at-spi internals, in preparation for writing a cross-desktop/freedesktop spec to deal with assistive technology input event processing.
[15:43] <Laney> pitt_i is a peer in the sense that matters
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - cups-browsed: Investigations about letting all events being treated out of the main thread, after a hint of desrt.
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Updated the PPD file generator for driverless printing to the current state of CUPS, improved error handling when PPD cannot be generated.
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Preparation of the students for the CPD projects, found mentor for GTK part.
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Fixed snapcraft-preload to work properly with abstract sockets (such as X Dpy)
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Snapcraft-preload cleanups and some template rewriting in C++14
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Updates to the nextcloud-snap, now it's building in their travis.
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Some debugging for indicators and electron apps (needs some upstream improvements)
[15:44] <Trevinho> · New unity landing
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Some reviews (I need to finish the hikiko one)
[15:44] <Trevinho>  /eof
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:44] <willcooke> stopped being on holiday
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic APB
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:45] <willcooke> Anyone got anything to share
[15:45] <willcooke> ?
[15:45] <seb128> not a meeting topic but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BjoernMichaelsem/YourDeveloperApplication isn't a valid page?
[15:45] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^
[15:45] <seb128> (that's the url you shared)
[15:46] <Laney> in terms of that
[15:46] <Laney> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/zesty/amd64
[15:46] <Sweetshark> seb128: whops, typo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BjoernMichaelsen/YourDeveloperApplication
[15:46] <Laney> we were promised a followup upload to fix the tests
[15:47] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[15:47] <Laney> I had to force-badtest the old version which let the pressure off...
[15:47] <willcooke> Sweetshark, please follow up after the meeting ^
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:47] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 14 15:47:54 2017 UTC.
[15:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-03-14-15.30.moin.txt
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, dget people.canonical.com/~bjoern/zesty/5.3.0/libreoffice_5.3.0~rc3-0ubuntu3.dsc && design && dput? ;-)
[15:48] <seb128> I wonder if Bjoern asked for sponsoring and nobody picked it up (that would be mostly forgetting)
[15:48] <Laney> ok, but I don't poll random URLs to find packages to sponsor
[15:48] <seb128> well you have your solution though :-)
[15:49] <seb128> (I assume it fixes it)
[15:49] <seb128> but yeah, Sweetshark you should go through sponsoring requests bugs (though unsure if many are doing sponsoring shift/if anyone would have picked it up) until you get your ppu
[15:49] <Laney> we can run the tests against a PPA to verify that
[15:50] <Laney> is it in one?
[15:50] <Sweetshark> Laney: nope. But will do that.
[15:51] <Laney> cool
[15:52] <Sweetshark> FWIW, 5.3.1 rc2 has been tagged already. So I can do that with the upstream version bump.
[15:52] <jbicha> yes, please file a bug and subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsors
[15:53] <jbicha> then you can complain if it gets ignored for too long
[15:54] <Laney> Sweetshark: make sure you do something to prevent l10n and libreoffice going in out of sync please
[15:57] <Sweetshark> Laney: k
[15:57] <Laney> merci!
[16:19] <flocculant> willcooke: :D
[16:59] <Laney> it's just gone all dark
[16:59] <Laney> big ol' grey cloud rolling in
[17:04] <willcooke> tkamppeter, are oki colour lasers well supported do you know?
[17:04] <willcooke> seb128, that means I didnt fix it ^ ;)
[17:07] <seb128> willcooke, new printer?
[17:07] <willcooke> seb128, looks like I need a new one, yeah.
[17:07] <seb128> Laney, sun has been replaced by clouds here as well :-/
[17:09] <Laney> oho
[17:24] <Laney> mterry: Just seen that you've built that change for Xenial - don't think it's good there
[17:24] <mterry> Laney: oh my goodness, right.  I'm stuck in Touch mindspace
[17:25] <Laney> :)
[17:25] <mterry> thx
[17:25] <Laney> np
[18:00] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers!
[18:01] <Laney> night seb128!
[18:01] <seb128> bye Laney, see you tomorrow :-)
[18:01] <seb128> enjoy climbing if you go tonight!
[18:02] <Laney> nope, that's tomorrow
[18:02] <Laney> pub quiz!
[18:02] <seb128> sounds fun as well :-)
[18:02] <seb128> k, I'm off, see you
[18:19] <Laney> me too, night!
[18:31] <willcooke> me three, night