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lotuspsychjegood morning to all06:47
lotuspsychjecrawdcontrol: morning06:55
lotuspsychjebye07:01
lotuspsychjehttp://www.deviantart.com/art/Odroid-C2-Armbian-66251269307:02
lotuspsychjecool desktop07:02
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: can you do invites on discuss?07:09
OerHeksYes, i think so07:15
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: can you invite dax to here, got some trigger requests :p07:16
OerHekschannel mode +i - Enables use of the invite07:16
lotuspsychjeoh07:17
OerHeks /invite dax07:18
OerHekshmm ik weer niet?07:18
ducasse*yawn*07:19
ducassemorning all07:19
OerHeksHi ducasse07:19
OerHeksmaybe you can answer that, howto invite someone?07:19
OerHeks( to this channel, that is)07:20
ducassehi oerheks, how's drabber, you and your mother?07:20
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: ./invite nick should work07:20
lotuspsychjemorning ducasse07:20
OerHekswe are fine, mom is in the hospital, waiting.07:20
ducassehi lotus07:20
ducasseOerHeks: well, at least she's in good hands. mine is back home, thankfully, but i'm keeping a close watch on her from now on ;)07:21
OerHeksAh, good news then, ducasse07:22
ducasseand you lotuspsychje, all good?07:22
lordievaderOerHeks: From the help: INVITE <nick> [<channel>]07:22
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah 3 days off here mate07:22
lotuspsychjelordievader: good morning07:22
lordievadero/07:23
lotuspsychjewe cant stop growing old right, someday its out turn07:23
lotuspsychje*our07:23
lotuspsychjemorning BobbyJr07:23
lotuspsychjeducasse: wich was your first distro ever you installed on your pc?07:26
ducasseslackware, don't remember which version.07:27
lotuspsychjeducasse: mine was redhat, some old version where you was able to choose KDE or gnome at setup07:27
lotuspsychjenetworking was a hell to get working lol07:28
lotuspsychjegnome looked so nice though, with big icons07:29
ducasseneither of those existed at the time i started with linux, i used fvwm for years. i still really like fvwm v1.24r for that reason :)07:29
lotuspsychje:p07:31
lotuspsychjeoh no..crazytux is back from the dead07:31
ducasse*groan*07:34
lotuspsychjebbl07:40
ducasseOerHeks: what do you think about merging the unused space into the extended partition and then sdb5 while running? http://i.imgur.com/Qhd48RZ.png08:32
lordievaderducasse: You can't, that would involve moving the start of the partition, that cannot happen live. Moving the end of a partition can happen live.08:36
ducasseOerHeks: that was what i thought, thanks for confirming!08:37
lotuspsychjere10:39
lotuspsychje!grep10:40
ubot5The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. In Unity or GNOME, search the dash for "terminal" and press ENTER. Other desktops: Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal (MATE), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal10:40
ducasselotuspsychje: while you're mentioning grep, found a nice site for learning regex - http://regexr.com/10:42
lordievaderOn that note, this is also a nice way of playing with regex: https://regexcrossword.com/10:43
lotuspsychjeducasse: cool10:43
lotuspsychjeducasse: i found a new grep wiki, would look better on the !grep trigger, thats why10:44
ducasselordievader: good one, thanks! into my bookmarks it goes :)10:44
ducasse(man, i need to clean those up one day...)10:45
lordievader!factoids10:45
ubot5Hi! I'm #ubuntu-discuss's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone10:45
lotuspsychjehey pauljw10:45
lotuspsychjehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/grep10:45
lotuspsychjeedited july 201610:45
lordievaderlotuspsychje: Thought you could contribute in improving the bot somewhere...10:45
ducassedax manages the triggers, right?10:45
lotuspsychjelordievader: yes, ive tried that before and the result goes to ubuntu-ops, but nothing never happens10:46
lotuspsychjedax is the only one changing stuff for us10:46
ducassesame here10:46
ducasselotuspsychje: what if we get together, go through the existing triggers and try to update the ones pointing to old/useless info, then submit it to dax? we'd have to ask him first, of course, but do you think he'd agree?10:51
lotuspsychjeducasse: ive been doing this few months ago with him already10:51
ducasselotuspsychje: oh :) let me know if you want help, then :)10:52
lotuspsychjeducasse: now its a real few adds needed10:52
lotuspsychjeducasse: dax changed like more then 40 triggers with me going through the whole list10:52
ducassegreat! there was a lot of junk there...10:52
lotuspsychjeducasse: but always nice if you find one more :p10:53
* ducasse still thinks the !anyone trigger should be brought back...10:53
lotuspsychjethe real reson for me wasnt the mess, but to make an easier support for us10:53
lotuspsychjeyeah, your right, !anyone and !test were pretty usefull10:53
ducasseif only people would actually _read_ the links in the factoids...10:54
lotuspsychjeducasse: lol yeah, well some links are better then others of course10:54
lotuspsychjebut before the checkup, alot of dead links i found10:55
OerHeksmaybe when we put the url first, then text, people read?10:56
ducassewe should have a !secureboot trigger, or add a comment about it to !dkms10:56
OerHeksi want !anyone back10:56
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: thats an idea10:56
lotuspsychjeducasse: think secureboot is described in the !uefi10:56
lotuspsychjeOerHeks: thats why i want the invite of dax so bad :p he's the one we need10:57
ducassenothing about sb in !uefi, and only a short section on the wiki page. nothing about problems with dkms.10:58
OerHeksHe might be asleep now10:58
lotuspsychjeducasse: oh, ok10:58
lotuspsychjeducasse: what would you love to see described in !secureboot exactly?10:59
lotuspsychje!dkms11:00
ubot5DKMS is Dynamic Kernel Module Support. See https://launchpad.net/dkms for more.11:00
lotuspsychjehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/DKMS 2012 edit, still usefull ducasse ?11:01
lotuspsychjeafternoon Wirehunter11:01
Wirehunterafternoon lotuspsychje11:01
Wirehunterafternoon all11:02
OerHeksi'll ignore names with poo* and crap*. if someone feels like it, help them11:02
lotuspsychjelol11:02
lotuspsychjei dont do ignores, like to know whats happening11:03
OerHeksignore as in read, not answer11:03
lotuspsychjeah11:03
pauljwmorning lotuspsychje, everyone.11:04
lotuspsychjeits sounds a bit like crazytux craptalk11:04
OerHekshey paul11:04
pauljwhi OerHeks11:04
ducasselotuspsychje: something like "secure boot can cause problems with kernel modules built manually or via dkms. disable it or ask for help on signing modules yourself if you experience this."11:05
ducassemorning pauljw11:05
pauljwhey ducasse11:05
lotuspsychjeducasse: sounds usefull, but alot of other issues can be caused on secureboot on/off11:06
lotuspsychjelike wifi etc11:06
lotuspsychjenvidia cards11:06
ducasselotuspsychje: yes, those are because the modules are built by dkms or manually :)11:06
ducassevirtualbox also11:07
lotuspsychjeright, well if there's a !secureboot made, we'l need your help11:07
WirehunterI disabled Secureboot myself, still using uefi. I'm getting a "You are booting in insecure mode" message in the top-left on the post screen.11:08
ducassejust a suggestion :)11:08
WirehunterJust because Nvidia wanted me to :/11:08
lotuspsychjelook what lotus found11:09
lotuspsychjehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot11:09
lotuspsychjehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS11:09
ducasseWirehunter: you can actually keep sb enabled and just disable kernel module validation, if you absolutely want to.11:10
ducasseyay lotus! ;)11:10
lotuspsychjeducasse: does those fit your needs?11:10
Wirehunterducasse, I don't really mind having it off. I think the message is kinda funny. yet it's not less secure then the legacy way.11:11
WirehunterCan't use bios as it doesn't allow to boot from nvme though11:11
ducasselotuspsychje: that second one is what i'm talking about, i'll definitely bookmark that for use later. i'm getting tired of explaining it over and over :)11:12
lotuspsychjeducasse: and would you add those in a same trigger or so? like secureboot is a....blabla check also !dkms ?11:12
ducasselotuspsychje: the dkms page is the one most users need to worry about, i've only come across one wanting to do the whole signing thing.11:13
ducasselotuspsychje: could just add that second link to the dkms trigger.11:13
lotuspsychjeducasse: is that direct combinated with secureboot? or rather a part of secureboot?11:14
ducasselotuspsychje: dkms? no, but it's about the only user-visible thing that gets affected by it.11:15
lotuspsychjei see11:16
lotuspsychjeducasse: dont see a direct link via UEFI wiki neither to dkms11:17
lotuspsychjebut in the link its subcategory https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS11:17
OerHeksis it fool-an-ubuntu-supporter-day ?11:20
lotuspsychjelol11:20
OerHeksquestion - answer - 'wait, let me try this first11:21
ducasseOerHeks: no, that was yesterday :-/11:21
OerHeksWhat timezone are you in?11:22
lotuspsychjenordic11:22
ducasseCET11:22
OerHeksahhh, we are in UTC+211:23
lotuspsychje12h2311:23
ducassehttps://time.is/CET11:24
OerHeksoh11:26
OerHekspi day 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286 208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481 117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233 786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006 606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146 95194151160943305727036575959195309218611711:27
OerHeks38193261179310511854807446237996274911:27
lotuspsychjelol11:28
ducassewe'll need to eat cake at 15:09:26, then :)11:29
lotuspsychjehttps://youtu.be/roPrQyrbxkQ11:31
lotuspsychjefollow the white rabbit11:31
ducasselotuspsychje: came across this i3 shot you might want to see - https://imgur.com/a/LCKQE11:32
lotuspsychjelets c11:32
lotuspsychjeducasse: neat!11:34
ducasseit _can_ look quite nice.11:34
ducassethere are tons of them on /r/unixporn, btw11:35
lotuspsychjekeep forgetting that site11:36
lotuspsychjelol prank your friends: http://www.scaryandfun.com/scary_pop_ups.html11:36
ducassegoing out for a bit, brb11:42
lotuspsychjelaterz11:42
lotuspsychjehttp://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Hires-Keith-Packard11:42
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj12:59
BluesKajHowdy folks12:59
BluesKajHi lotuspsychje12:59
cfhowlettvos is whatis?13:00
iorialotuspsychje, hey13:00
lotuspsychjecfhowlett, ioria welcome, we are all gathered here :p13:01
iorialol13:01
lotuspsychjealot of funtalk here these days13:01
iorialotuspsychje, really ? ..þ good13:01
iorialotuspsychje, about ?13:01
lotuspsychjeioria: ubuntu of course, we are lovers of it right13:02
ducassegood place to discuss how to progress on difficult support issues, etc13:02
BluesKajbig storm missing us for a change ...yay13:02
lotuspsychjeusefull news/hints to be used in #ubuntu yes13:02
ioriai see13:02
lotuspsychjeioria: how are things in italy?13:04
iorialotuspsychje, bas as usual ... thanks for asking :]13:04
lotuspsychjebad?13:04
iorialotuspsychje, a lot of earthquakes13:04
* cfhowlett is living in Japan and laughing when others complain of quakes ...13:05
ioriacfhowlett, yeah... it's true..13:06
lotuspsychjethe whole worl is shaking...13:06
cfhowlettI blame the Donald ...13:06
iorialotuspsychje, yep .... butterfly effect13:07
iorialotuspsychje,  you know the movie ?13:07
lotuspsychjeioria: yeah ive seen that13:07
iorialotuspsychje,  it's weird13:07
iorialotuspsychje,  there are sequels (2, and 3)  but terrible13:08
lotuspsychjedidnt see those13:09
iorialotuspsychje,  good13:09
ducasseioria: i saw #1 and #2, #2 was _horrible_13:09
ioriaducasse, right13:09
ducassedidn't bother with them after that13:09
ioriaright again13:09
lotuspsychjeducasse: seems likes dax is deeeep asleep lol13:15
lotuspsychjeno triggers for us today : (13:16
ducasselotuspsychje: you tried poking him with a stick? ;)13:21
lotuspsychjelol13:21
lotuspsychjea regular users shouldnt poke ops with a stick no?13:22
ducasseprobably not :)13:22
cfhowlettbut how else would we amuse ourselves?13:22
lotuspsychjehaha13:22
lotuspsychjecfhowlett: your always risky indeed13:23
ioriaEriC^^, marhaban bika13:28
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^13:29
lotuspsychjethe whole crew is here :p13:29
lotuspsychjeioria: you skared him :p13:29
iorialol13:29
lotuspsychjecfhowlett: like my wallpaper? http://imgur.com/a/QSkhd13:35
cfhowlettnice!13:36
cfhowlettthat purple!13:36
lotuspsychjeill plant it on every machine ill sell13:36
lotuspsychjeor repair/upgrade13:36
iorialotuspsychje, cool.... re-energize your pc !!!13:38
lotuspsychjeioria: you understand the slogan, nice!13:38
lotuspsychjeioria: like going to a sauna/wellness right13:38
lotuspsychjerefresh your system, going back to the source13:39
lotuspsychjehi pavlushka13:39
iorialotuspsychje,  yep...13:39
pavlushkaHello lotuspsychje :)13:41
lotuspsychjeoO13:46
BluesKajlooks like a problem with Erik^^'s connection ....wonder how stable the lines are in Beirut13:49
lotuspsychjeIRCFrEAK: hi13:50
lotuspsychjelol klined13:51
pavlushkalol13:56
lotuspsychjenicomachus: whats going on with your dns?13:57
nicomachuslotuspsychje: idk man13:57
nicomachusI fought it all night last night, but I'm just not resolving anything13:58
lotuspsychjeone machine, different isp's?13:59
nicomachusand now I'm on a different network and still not resolving, so i'm starting to think it's this machine.13:59
nicomachusyea, different ISPs same machine.13:59
lotuspsychjenicomachus: wich ubuntu version/flavor?13:59
nicomachusvanilla 16.0413:59
nicomachus.213:59
lotuspsychje.2 or .1 iso?13:59
lotuspsychjekk14:00
nicomachusI tried adding additional DNS servers from the "Edit Connections" menu but I guess that didn't take14:00
lotuspsychjenicomachus: have you tried a network-manager restart?14:00
nicomachusuhhhhh....14:00
nicomachusyou know what14:00
nicomachusI should probably try rebooting14:00
nicomachuswell, that did it14:01
nicomachusgd14:01
lotuspsychjegreat14:01
nicomachusI was trying to fix this all night and you're just like "have you tried turning it off and back on again?"14:01
nicomachusbastard :P14:02
lotuspsychjelolz14:02
ducasselol14:02
lotuspsychjegood ol reboot have fixxed alot in life :p14:02
* nicomachus slinks away to the coffeepot14:02
lotuspsychjethats why i hate hibernate so much14:02
lotuspsychjeppl should start and halt their system always14:03
lotuspsychjei dont get why a system should sleep, if your not gonna use it14:05
iorialotuspsychje, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn814:05
lotuspsychjelets c :p14:05
lotuspsychjeioria: lol14:07
iorialotuspsychje, great IT assistance  :p14:08
lotuspsychjehahaha14:08
lotuspsychjeill use that in my business :p14:08
iorialotuspsychje, lol14:08
ducassegreat show :)14:11
pavlushkarofl @ ioria 's link14:14
lotuspsychjeyobagme: hi14:27
yobagmelotuspsychje: good morning.14:28
yobagmeman i hate daylight savings14:28
lotuspsychjeyobagme: howso?14:28
yobagmeim not a morning person to begin with. having to set clocks an hour ahead for no beneficial reason messes with my body clock14:29
yobagmedo you guys have to deal with daylight savings where you live?14:32
lotuspsychjenot sure i understand savings?14:32
yobagmeit just means clocks are moved an hour ahead in the spring to add more daylight hours to the day, then rolled back an hour in the fall. its some nonsense practice a lot of the world follows that does nothing but ruin our sleep patterns14:34
lotuspsychjeisnt that like next week?14:34
lotuspsychje21 of march?14:34
yobagmethe US moved the time change up a week several years ago. mostly to be assholes14:35
lotuspsychjeweird14:35
yobagmeyeah, i was working an IT help desk when they bumped it up a week. the amount of calls we got cause several PCs and servers hadn't been patched with the new time change was horrifying14:36
lotuspsychjeouch14:38
nicomachusI have an alarm clock that's supposed to automatically adjust.14:39
nicomachusbut I bought it like 15 years ago....14:39
nicomachusso now it adjusts a week ahead/behind of when it's supposed to be.14:39
yobagmehahah. so next week you'll be golden!14:39
nicomachuswell, I'll have to change it back again. :/14:40
yobagmeutc for all, i say. the idea of timezones is ridiculous14:40
yobagmeeven without the dst nonsense14:41
nicomachuswell, timeszones make sense.14:42
nicomachustimezones*14:42
nicomachusDST... not so much14:42
BluesKajthe history behind the DST change  https://paste.kde.org/pt2yictdd14:44
yobagmeyeah, of course it was bust14:44
yobagmebush*14:44
BluesKajit was a dumb move IMO ...wonder what lobbyist talked him into that14:46
yobagmeactually the biggest proponents of dst is the national chamber of commerce. makes sense for them. more daylight hours means more shopping hours14:47
yobagmesorry, u.s. chamber of commerce14:47
BluesKajstuff to do, BBL14:47
lotuspsychjehttps://twitter.com/ubuntu14:51
lotuspsychjewb EriC^^14:51
EriC^^thanks lotuspsychje14:51
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lotuspsychjehey there nacc14:58
nacclotuspsychje: morning!14:58
BluesKajHi EriC^^ , nacc, nicomachus, yobagme and anyone else I missed  ;-015:02
lotuspsychjealot of mwc news, but not about phones so much, only fairphone2 project15:02
yobagmeBluesKaj: hello!15:03
naccBluesKaj: hello!15:03
yobagmehappy PI day to all, btw15:04
lotuspsychjelol15:04
BluesKajhate to admit I'm actually on Debian Stretch atm , but I'm still testing Kubuntu Zesty as well15:05
yobagmewhy would you hate to admit that?15:06
BluesKajoh Pi day right, it's also my youngest daughter's birthday15:06
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: congrats to her!15:06
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: everyone chooses the Os of his/her needs right15:07
BluesKajwell, loyalties anf=d and all that stuf15:07
yobagmeHappy bday lil Blues!15:07
lotuspsychjefreedom of choice = open source15:07
BluesKajyobagme, thanks15:07
BluesKajbeen testing kubuntu for 6 or 7 yrs, time for a slight change15:08
BluesKajthere really isn't too much diff once one has the desktop/themes/fonts /colours all setup15:09
yobagmeBluesKaj: hey, at least you'll be ready for full Ryzen support15:10
BluesKajyobagme, doubt I'll be spending anything on Ryzen. I'm running a humble 9 yr old amd 5200+ cpu on an HP desktop pc ..not exactly a bleeding edge early adopter :-)15:15
nicomachusjust report the bug or don't! JFC how hard is it15:17
naccI think EriC^^'s patience yesterday has drained all of our collective patience :)15:18
yobagmenicomachus: what bug?15:18
BluesKajinfinite patience for sure ...15:19
naccyobagme: they haven't said yet15:19
OerHeksbugreport on bugreport without the use of bugreport tools *hips*15:24
BluesKajyobagme,  PIA VPN?15:25
yobagmeBluesKaj: gasp!15:25
yobagmeyou know too much15:25
BluesKajthe IP is familiar, I use it as well15:25
yobagmei have to here at work. they block anything even remotely entertaining15:26
BluesKajproblem is debian sources sites have PIA IPs blocked due to spamming15:27
nicomachus"Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y | Abort"15:27
nicomachuswat15:27
* nicomachus may be filing his own bug report...15:27
yobagmeBluesKaj: really? are all PIA endpoints worldwide blocked?15:28
BluesKajyobagme, not sure about that , but most North Ameican servers are15:29
nicomachusBluesKaj: that's ridiculous15:29
BluesKajyeah nicomachus, i find it strange15:30
nicomachusI've noticed a few more sites lately blocking access from PIA endpoints but debian sources???15:30
BluesKajsuppose I could try the euro servers15:30
yobagmeyeah, now i'm curious. give it a go and see what happens15:31
yobagmei don't have any Debian servers to try it myself15:31
BluesKajnot the mirrors, I'm talking about extra package info sites15:31
BluesKajlike this one  https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs15:32
BluesKajthe wikis15:33
nicomachusohhhh, so not the actual package sources15:33
BluesKajbrb, gonna connect to a vpn15:33
yobagmeBluesKaj: i verified i was blocked too from the texas vpn, but it worked off the switzerland server15:35
nicomachusUbuntu servers are fine for me with a Chicago endpoint15:36
lotuspsychjebbl15:44
BluesKajok, this is what I get when connected thru PIA VPN in Texas trying to access the debian page i posted above  http://imgur.com/a/e6TBF15:47
BluesKajbbiab , now I'm connecting to a euro PIA server15:48
nicomachusThat's an odd "forbidden" page, too15:50
BluesKajforbidden  thru Germany too, think I'll have a little talk with the debian guys and see what can be done about this15:54
nicomachusBluesKaj: you need a bouncer. :P:P15:55
yobagmeBluesKaj: Switzerland seemed to work for me15:58
BluesKajyobagme, ok I'll give the swiss a try ;-)15:59
BluesKajyobagme, no luck with swiss either, well, it's no biggie, just disappointing16:08
yobagmeBluesKaj: weird. i was able to get to that url via links on one of my servers currently VPNed to Switzerland https://imgur.com/a/omhP416:12
lordievaderBluesKaj: It might be that now the page is cached...16:16
lordievaderIt would explain the different results yobagme gets.16:16
BluesKajheh I joined the debian-security chat over at the OFTC irc server ..and asked about the complete block to PIA VPN , no answer after 5 mins16:30
BluesKajI never did get an answer , even from www.debian devs, so i gues PIA is "personna non grata"17:40
BluesKajok ...stuff to do for a few mins ...bl17:41
naccioria: OerHeks: feels like trolling18:47
iorianacc, yup18:47
nacc"Where can I get 16.04" ... "14.04.5?"18:47
naccwhat?? :)18:48
ioriahahaha18:48
nacci feel somewhat bad, because maybe it's a language barrier or something and that can be hard to tell, but just search the page! :)18:48
iorianacc, numbers are an international language .... :þ18:49
naccioria: that's what i've always thought!18:49
OerHeks"i have ubuntu .." but his cloudname starts with sid ?18:53
WirehunterOops, I kinda broke my desktop by trying to install ubuntu gnome on an ssd and trying to install grub's efi files on the efi partition21:03
OerHeks..and then label my sata drive as sdb. LoLz21:08
OerHeksman, with this full moon period all sorts of lunatics bugging the volunteers21:08
nacccertainly feels like it  :)21:09
Wirehunterphew, sorted out. Only took me 20 minutes to find out what I had done wrong. :)21:15
OerHeksWe are proud of you, Wirehunter21:19
OerHekscliffer with frankenstein-ubuntu .. man21:20
WirehunterOerHeks, Hehe, thanks.21:20
OerHeksi like to give compliments, but you are the 1st one i could find :-D21:21
OerHeksso you make my daym thank you.21:21
* OerHeks tries to answer 3 questions a day21:22
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