| magespawn | good morning | 05:43 |
|---|---|---|
| inetpro | good mornings | 05:51 |
| inetpro | oh and hi magespawn | 05:51 |
| superfly | Evening | 06:23 |
| nsnzero | morning all | 06:28 |
| nsnzero | good evening superfly | 06:32 |
| superfly | Night everyone, time for me to catch some Zzzz | 06:35 |
| paddatrapper | morning magespawn nsnzero inetpro | 06:37 |
| paddatrapper | evening superfly | 06:37 |
| inetpro | lekker slaap superfly | 06:38 |
| nsnzero | hi paddatrapper inetpro | 06:38 |
| andrewlsd | Morning magespawn inetpro paddatrapper nsnzero K_K_N | 07:12 |
| andrewlsd | 'fly has probably gone to bed already. | 07:12 |
| * andrewlsd scrolls Quassel backlog to see what he has missed | 07:12 | |
| * andrewlsd sees it was quiet last night :-) | 07:13 | |
| nsnzero | morning andrewlsd | 07:19 |
| nsnzero | very quiet last night | 07:19 |
| andrewlsd | :-) | 07:19 |
| andrewlsd | Maaz: seen Kilos | 07:20 |
| Maaz | andrewlsd: Kilos was last seen 12 hours, 15 minutes and 44 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-03-13 19:04:28 GMT], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-03-13 19:05:08 GMT | 07:20 |
| nsnzero | kilos was having some issues with his internet connection | 07:22 |
| andrewlsd | yeah, saw his post last night. :-( | 07:23 |
| nsnzero | which brings me to this question - i have a 10mb telkom adsl uncapped but the best dl speed i see is 285kB | 07:25 |
| andrewlsd | what is your modem sync speed showing? | 07:26 |
| MaNI | paying for 10mb means nothing if th e exchange in your area can only handle 4mb or 2mb - which is common still | 07:26 |
| andrewlsd | 285KB/s (Kilobytes) is around 3Mbps | 07:26 |
| MaNI | only rich areas like sandton get the privilege of having proper infrastructure | 07:27 |
| andrewlsd | usually first thing to check is your modem's speed status, ie what linerate it is connectd on. | 07:27 |
| andrewlsd | once you've done that to check for low sync rate, high Signal to Noise and DSL errors ... | 07:27 |
| andrewlsd | then the next step is your ISP. | 07:28 |
| nsnzero | DownStream Connection Speed 12476 kbps | 07:28 |
| andrewlsd | MaNI: +1 | 07:28 |
| andrewlsd | nsnzero: is the only thing connected this computer at this point. and is it connected via LAN cable? | 07:28 |
| andrewlsd | if so. I'd suggest opening a new browser (to make sure no other tabs are stealing "speed" by transferring bits) and then use beta.speedtest.net | 07:29 |
| nsnzero | no i have a network with about 8 pcs and 3 laptops | 07:29 |
| andrewlsd | nsnzero: then you're likely to never see 10Mpbs on any single computer | 07:30 |
| andrewlsd | and _as soon_ as the upload link gets close to saturation (like when syncing Dropbox or iThings) your download speed will become rubbish. | 07:30 |
| andrewlsd | so getting 3Mbps on 1 computer out of 11 devices sounds decent. | 07:31 |
| andrewlsd | remember each browser probably opens several connections (10+) per page accessed. so number of connections would be 10 * number of tabs * number of users | 07:32 |
| MaNI | I'd start here: https://secure.telkom.co.za/today/ucm/ | 07:32 |
| nsnzero | speed test confirms its a 2Mbps line | 07:32 |
| MaNI | see if your address turns up 10Mbps or 4Mbps, if you are in a 4Mbps area like me, then you are wasting your time even trying to look at anything else | 07:32 |
| MaNI | they will happily charge you for 10Mbps but you will never get it. | 07:33 |
| andrewlsd | if your downstream connection shows 12476 then you're on DSL2, at 12Mpbs. | 07:33 |
| nsnzero | funny thing is when we had power cuts , my download speed went up to 1MBs | 07:33 |
| MaNI | note with a 4Mbps line expect speeds more like 3Mbps | 07:33 |
| andrewlsd | andrewlsd: the 12476 is so that Telkom can give you a 10mbit throughput, the extra is added for overheads on the DSL protocol | 07:34 |
| andrewlsd | btw nsnzero do you use customerportal.telkomsa.net to check your usage? | 07:34 |
| MaNI | 12476 Kbps or 12476 kbps? | 07:34 |
| andrewlsd | MaNI: sorry, I probably made a typo. 12476 | 07:35 |
| andrewlsd | MaNI: sorry, I probably made a typo. 12476 kbps | 07:35 |
| andrewlsd | ie 12mbps | 07:35 |
| andrewlsd | in order to get a throughput of 10mpbs --> roughly 1 MB/s | 07:35 |
| nsnzero | brb | 07:36 |
| andrewlsd | nsnzero: is your ISP also Telkom. Some ISPs have separate throttles. so your account settign will determine speed. e.g If you buy a 2mbit uncapped account from and ISP, but you have a 10mbit DSL line, you'll still see only around 2mbit on the line | 07:37 |
| andrewlsd | if your account is a capped account then that _shouldn't_ apply. | 07:37 |
| andrewlsd | (unless you've hit your Telkom softcap, but that would likely make your internet speed around 50KB/s (512kbit) | 07:38 |
| * andrewlsd goes away | 07:38 | |
| paddatrapper | hi andrewlsd | 07:43 |
| nsnzero | its probaly the exchange hasnt been upgraded | 08:14 |
| K_K_N | morning andrewlsd | 08:21 |
| K_K_N | and morning everybody else | 08:35 |
| K_K_N | btw nsnzero I found that no matter how my internet disconnects including if I just bump the USB device and the laptop looses it and then finds it again I have to restart network-manager to get connected again | 08:37 |
| K_K_N | only time it workd after a disconnect is if I disconnect it myself | 08:37 |
| K_K_N | but any other way I have to restart network-manager | 08:38 |
| nsnzero | hi K_K_N | 09:00 |
| K_K_N | hi nsnzero | 09:00 |
| nsnzero | i had a problem when did a fresh install of 16.04 - it could find the wifi - upgrading the network manager sorted the problem out | 09:01 |
| Kilos | whew just made it, morning all | 09:46 |
| Kilos | and inetpro | 09:46 |
| K_K_N | can anybody tell me what this means and if it is anything to be concerned about | 09:46 |
| K_K_N | I get this message everytime I do an apt whatever | 09:47 |
| K_K_N | N: Ignoring file '20auto-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension | 09:47 |
| K_K_N | morning Kilos | 09:47 |
| K_K_N | long time no chat | 09:47 |
| Kilos | hi K_K_N | 09:47 |
| K_K_N | hows it going Kilos | 09:47 |
| Kilos | i been watching you online here but my connection is very bad so half the time i keep quiet, or sleep | 09:48 |
| Kilos | im ok ty just struggling with limited blood supply to the ticker | 09:49 |
| K_K_N | eish, sorry, I know that feeling | 09:49 |
| Kilos | i dont even get 1 mb/s download speed | 09:49 |
| K_K_N | eish sorry about that unfortuantely I will not be able to relate there | 09:49 |
| K_K_N | but sorry to hear that | 09:49 |
| Kilos | you too young still | 09:49 |
| K_K_N | oh no that I can relate to | 09:50 |
| Kilos | haha | 09:50 |
| K_K_N | I used to get terrible speeds with my 3G\ | 09:50 |
| K_K_N | now its much better | 09:50 |
| K_K_N | I want an LTE router though then I probably get even faster speeds | 09:50 |
| Kilos | i only got edge and even that isnt proper edge most of the time | 09:50 |
| K_K_N | hehe | 09:50 |
| Kilos | check you in a lte coverage area first before you spend money | 09:51 |
| K_K_N | eish I hate edge once you have tried LTE which I did when I was in JHB visitin a friends even 3G is a bit slow | 09:51 |
| K_K_N | hehe | 09:51 |
| Kilos | yeah 22mb/s would be wonderful | 09:51 |
| magellanic | K_K_N: did you sort out your connection issue then? | 09:51 |
| Kilos | hi magellanic | 09:52 |
| K_K_N | well according to cellc website they have LTE coverage here where I am now but no LTE advanced | 09:52 |
| magellanic | hi | 09:52 |
| K_K_N | hi magellanic | 09:52 |
| nsnzero | companies tend to oversell their network capabilities | 09:53 |
| magellanic | did you reconnection issue get sorted out then | 09:54 |
| magellanic | your* | 09:54 |
| K_K_N | well in a way we may have come closer to figuring out what the issue is. I found that as long as the connectimes out on its own no matter what the reason even if I like sommer bump the the USB modem and it gets disconnected and then is picked up again I have to restart network manager for me to be able to reconnect | 09:54 |
| magellanic | okay | 09:55 |
| K_K_N | so whats the reason for that you know? why is it not doing it automatically? | 09:55 |
| magellanic | it looked dns related, I didn't figure out why | 09:56 |
| K_K_N | yeah thats what... | 09:56 |
| K_K_N | eish now so many people assisted me I forget the person who suggested that | 09:56 |
| K_K_N | and I am afraid to give credit to the wrong person | 09:56 |
| magellanic | it was me :p | 09:57 |
| magellanic | we diagnosed it down to something wrt dns | 09:58 |
| K_K_N | was it, eish sorry mate, my apologies | 09:58 |
| magellanic | I was curious if you got it completely working again after we left off | 09:58 |
| K_K_N | nope not yet I was busy searching the net then I realized I am lagging on my work so I get to that then I forget where I left off and well you know how it goes, it then becomes a cycle but luckily for me I have not had this connection disconnect for no reason as it was when I initially started using it and experienced the issues | 10:01 |
| magellanic | yep, okay | 10:02 |
| K_K_N | Kilos, are you using one of those Giga packages from CellC? | 10:02 |
| Kilos | yeah 1g | 10:03 |
| Kilos | but will take a year to use at this speed | 10:03 |
| K_K_N | lol | 10:04 |
| K_K_N | have you checked there 100giga and 200giga packages | 10:04 |
| K_K_N | the 100giga was going for R999 once of and they give you all the data immediately to use anytime | 10:05 |
| K_K_N | but I think they now increased the prices... | 10:05 |
| K_K_N | greedy bas... | 10:05 |
| K_K_N | LOL | 10:05 |
| K_K_N | yep confirmed they up their prices | 10:10 |
| K_K_N | https://www.cellc.co.za/cellc/prepaid-contract-detail/Giga | 10:10 |
| K_K_N | greedy buggers | 10:10 |
| Kilos | oh yes sorry we using the 100gig bundle | 10:11 |
| K_K_N | but yeah considering our other options that is not too bad of a deal | 10:11 |
| Kilos | the deal is great if the towers in the area are capable | 10:12 |
| Kilos | they roam with voda here i think and vodas towers suck | 10:12 |
| K_K_N | I have the 50GB Peak and 150GB Midnight data but that price seems to be the same as what I paid | 10:12 |
| K_K_N | I thought CellC was all over Gauteng? | 10:13 |
| Kilos | we just south of rustenburg | 10:13 |
| K_K_N | ah ok | 10:14 |
| Kilos | they just called and they sending a techie out in 2 to 7 working days | 10:14 |
| K_K_N | oh nice tell them you want LTE advanced | 10:14 |
| K_K_N | they better provide | 10:14 |
| Kilos | then they can come test with their equipment and then fix the tower | 10:14 |
| Kilos | no lte on farms i think | 10:15 |
| Kilos | but ill try | 10:15 |
| Kilos | im happy with hsdpa | 10:15 |
| Kilos | i have a short script somewhere that make nm connect automagically | 10:16 |
| Kilos | ill try find it for you | 10:16 |
| Kilos | what release are you using | 10:16 |
| Kilos | i havent needed it on 16.04 | 10:16 |
| K_K_N | eish yeah you telling me, when we were still living in the farm we were like a min drive to the area that picked up LTE but we had none | 10:16 |
| K_K_N | even 3G was like if the weather was good only | 10:17 |
| K_K_N | lol | 10:17 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:17 |
| K_K_N | I am using 16.04 | 10:17 |
| Kilos | then it should connect | 10:17 |
| Kilos | i will look for the script | 10:17 |
| K_K_N | ok cool thanks Kilos | 10:18 |
| nsnzero | K_K_N: there was a 16.04.2 point upgrade | 10:18 |
| Kilos | somewhere on a drive in desktop i think, if you lucky its on a stick | 10:18 |
| K_K_N | nsnzero, yep I have that version | 10:18 |
| K_K_N | I am always updating but after 00:00 using midnight data | 10:18 |
| K_K_N | hehe | 10:18 |
| nsnzero | same here - but anytime i get bored | 10:19 |
| nsnzero | i am 16.04.01 - now how do i upgrade to .2 ? | 10:23 |
| K_K_N | not sure I just continued updating and updating and now its on 16.04.2 | 10:24 |
| magellanic | the normal update process will take you there | 10:25 |
| Kilos | sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade | 10:25 |
| nsnzero | maybe coz i am on neon - all updates installed | 10:27 |
| nsnzero | #44~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 3 17:11:16 UTC 2017 | 10:28 |
| Kilos | K_K_N here it is. im gonna try type it here correctly for you | 10:29 |
| Kilos | better i put t on a stick and bring it here | 10:31 |
| Kilos | sudo nano /etc/rc.local | 10:34 |
| Kilos | Now add this line above exit 0 | 10:35 |
| Kilos | (while :; do nmcli -t nm wwan on; sleep 1; done)& | 10:35 |
| Kilos | Save the file and exit. | 10:35 |
| Kilos | K_K_N try that | 10:36 |
| Kilos | i have more in the file but i think its from and earlier script | 10:36 |
| Kilos | i first got a full page script to do the job but later some guy gave this short one | 10:37 |
| * andrewlsd pops back in here | 10:39 | |
| nsnzero | Kilos: check if you have a script to change konsole's profile when connected to another pc via ssh | 10:41 |
| * chesedo thinks that your script might be broken Kilos | 10:41 | |
| Kilos | why chesedo | 10:42 |
| Kilos | iirc i had to reboot | 10:42 |
| chesedo | on by 16.10 `nmcli -t nm wwan on` fails with 'no nm object' | 10:42 |
| Kilos | maybe these must be added | 10:43 |
| chesedo | it seems that it should be 'nmcli -t radio wwan on' | 10:43 |
| andrewlsd | perhaps `wwan` is not the name of the connection | 10:43 |
| andrewlsd | +1 chesedo | 10:43 |
| Kilos | oh maybe it was ppp0e in there | 10:44 |
| chesedo | also, running it every second (sleep 1) might be a bit of an overkill | 10:45 |
| Kilos | lemme paste the whole story | 10:45 |
| * chesedo is off to lunch so will check later | 10:46 | |
| Kilos | https://bin.snyman.info/mmm5wnkt | 10:46 |
| Kilos | i have used that whole page from when nm got sick and added the last bit at the top | 10:47 |
| Kilos | that was in 12.04 or 14.04 | 10:51 |
| nsnzero | is that specifically for wireless lan ? | 10:51 |
| Kilos | no i used it for a modem plugged into pc and maybe modified it when in aus to get wireless working | 10:52 |
| Kilos | i dont remember everything ive had to do to stay connected | 10:53 |
| Kilos | hehe | 10:53 |
| Kilos | you clever guys have the basic command now just fix it to suit the connecting being used | 10:54 |
| Kilos | maybe back then there was ppp0e in there | 10:54 |
| Kilos | or whatever the modem is seen as | 10:54 |
| nsnzero | iwconfig or ifconfig will tell you | 10:55 |
| K_K_N | sorry stepped away from my desk | 11:04 |
| K_K_N | thanks Kilos | 11:04 |
| K_K_N | I added that line | 11:05 |
| K_K_N | now after reading the comments after should I be editing and which parts? | 11:05 |
| K_K_N | wow Kilos, just read yor script thats alot should I copy and paste everything? | 11:07 |
| Kilos | no the stuff after the first few lines was for that whole original script | 11:08 |
| Kilos | the top was the latest, but cant remember if it needed some of the further commands | 11:09 |
| Kilos | lets hear what chesedo says | 11:09 |
| K_K_N | ok cool | 11:09 |
| K_K_N | will wait in anticipation | 11:09 |
| K_K_N | hehe | 11:09 |
| Kilos | hehe | 11:13 |
| Kilos | you need to point it to the modem | 11:13 |
| Kilos | so run iwconf or inconfig | 11:14 |
| Kilos | and then wait for chesedo | 11:14 |
| Kilos | hehe | 11:14 |
| K_K_N | ok will do Kilos, Thanks Kilos, alwaysa very big help, much appreciated | 11:16 |
| Kilos | hope it works for you | 11:16 |
| Kilos | but strange you have that prob still. since i went 16.04 i havent needed it | 11:17 |
| Kilos | oh and now im using eth cable so no modem hassles. now hassles are from router and cellc | 11:18 |
| K_K_N | yeah not sure why, initially I thought maybe I need the software for the modem but the .deb file on the actual modem seems to be only compatible with older versions of Ubuntu and does not work with 16.04 | 11:19 |
| Kilos | nm should just see the modem and connect if you tick the connect automatically button | 11:20 |
| Kilos | only modeswitch could be missing i think but in mine it worked i used the modem in hospital | 11:20 |
| Kilos | but im on kde | 11:21 |
| K_K_N | ok I am on... | 11:22 |
| K_K_N | wait how do I check that I think its unity | 11:22 |
| Kilos | where is your launcher | 11:22 |
| Kilos | on the left side was unity | 11:23 |
| Kilos | you are on what? | 11:23 |
| Kilos | did the modem connect on its own | 11:23 |
| K_K_N | yeah on the left hand side | 11:24 |
| K_K_N | nope I connect on my own but ubuntu picks it up as a mobile broadband | 11:25 |
| Kilos | have you set it up | 11:25 |
| K_K_N | but I disable automatically connect to this if its available | 11:25 |
| Kilos | with the thing where you choose country etc | 11:25 |
| K_K_N | yeah I did | 11:25 |
| Kilos | try deleting that one and setting it up again | 11:26 |
| Kilos | if you disconnect the auto button how can it connect automatically | 11:27 |
| K_K_N | ok but I did that as well | 11:27 |
| Kilos | ai! you spinning my head | 11:27 |
| K_K_N | the issue was Kilos, that when it disconnects for whatever reason and I reconnect I still have nothing even though the connection status says connected | 11:27 |
| K_K_N | previously I had to reboot to get connected again | 11:28 |
| K_K_N | but now I found that restarting network-manager does the trick | 11:28 |
| Kilos | i have had that some time back , i pull the modem and plug it back again | 11:28 |
| K_K_N | yeah that also did not help me | 11:28 |
| Kilos | isnt the modem timing out | 11:28 |
| Kilos | then you install it on a win pc and go into settings and set for max like 9999 | 11:29 |
| Kilos | or something like that | 11:29 |
| K_K_N | well it was not at first it just stop working yet the modem light was a constant blue as if it was still connected and the connection status says its tsill connected with IP address etc from ISP but I still could not access internet, email or even irc | 11:30 |
| K_K_N | had to reboot to get connected | 11:30 |
| Kilos | ya same thing but that was on 14.04 | 11:30 |
| Kilos | and older modem | 11:30 |
| K_K_N | I unplugged and replugged modem it said connected when I connected again but still nothing, deleted and recreated connection and still the same | 11:31 |
| Kilos | ai! | 11:31 |
| K_K_N | rebooted was the only thing that helped but now I learnt after assistance from the peeps in here restarting network-manager helped | 11:31 |
| Kilos | get used to restarting nm every now and again then | 11:31 |
| K_K_N | yeah I guess I have to | 11:32 |
| K_K_N | but I am fine with the it timing out but what I want to know is why do I have to restart network-manager | 11:32 |
| Kilos | because it doesnt see the timeout | 11:33 |
| K_K_N | once the modem is picked up again I would like to just click connect and it must work | 11:33 |
| * andrewlsd has no idea what K_K_N and Kilos mean. isn't NM just wonderful | 11:33 | |
| * andrewlsd ends sarcasm | 11:33 | |
| Kilos | lol | 11:33 |
| K_K_N | LOL @ andrewlsd | 11:33 |
| theblazehen | Hi all | 11:34 |
| K_K_N | hey theblazehen | 11:34 |
| Kilos | nm been a weak link in ubuntu for some years now | 11:34 |
| andrewlsd | more sarcasm: K_K_N there's nothing wrong with NM, it's your hardware! | 11:34 |
| K_K_N | hows it going | 11:34 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 11:34 |
| andrewlsd | Hello theblazehen :-D | 11:34 |
| K_K_N | lol it could most probably be | 11:34 |
| * andrewlsd wonders whether theblazehen has had 8 hours (in total) sleep since Friday. | 11:34 | |
| theblazehen | Good and you K_K_N ? | 11:35 |
| K_K_N | andrewlsd, my laptop is like 8 years old | 11:35 |
| theblazehen | andrewlsd Somewhere around there | 11:35 |
| K_K_N | not too bad hey | 11:35 |
| theblazehen | At least /me can get some sleep tonight. Done writing that thing up on vulnerability I found, just waiting for vendor to patch it, and CVE ID to be assigned | 11:36 |
| andrewlsd | woot. | 11:37 |
| K_K_N | andrewlsd, my laptop is so old when I bought it it came with Windows Vista | 11:37 |
| K_K_N | LOL | 11:37 |
| K_K_N | I still have it install here dual booted ubuntu on it | 11:38 |
| theblazehen | K_K_N a decent enough thin client :p | 11:38 |
| K_K_N | only difference from when I bought is that I added and extra gig of ram so now it has 3GB of RAM | 11:38 |
| K_K_N | hehe | 11:38 |
| theblazehen | I get nervous when I have less than 4 GB free... :/ Maybe I'm a little spoilt | 11:39 |
| K_K_N | took the 1 GIG out of another laptop I stripped and decided not to put back together | 11:39 |
| K_K_N | I wish I had 4GB :( | 11:40 |
| K_K_N | but remember the days when 512kb ram was the bomb | 11:41 |
| K_K_N | LOL | 11:41 |
| K_K_N | hahaha | 11:41 |
| K_K_N | I wonder what it would be like to work on those machines again | 11:41 |
| Kilos | painful | 11:42 |
| K_K_N | lol | 11:42 |
| theblazehen | K_K_N I wonder if I can play my "Don't Copy That Floppy " Floppy on those PCs... | 11:42 |
| theblazehen | or lets make it a 15 year old PC. When they stiffies were still around | 11:43 |
| Kilos | i have an external stiffy drive | 11:43 |
| Kilos | worked well last i used it | 11:43 |
| K_K_N | wow | 11:43 |
| nsnzero | lol - Kilos | 11:43 |
| K_K_N | they still exist Kilos | 11:44 |
| Kilos | better on win though | 11:44 |
| andrewlsd | unless you're using a Linux that fits on just one 1.44MB stiffy | 11:44 |
| Kilos | yeah it looks quite modern in fancy black case like external 2.5 inch drives | 11:44 |
| K_K_N | I am sad that my parents gave all our old machines away it would have been good to reminiscence | 11:44 |
| Kilos | i used it to copy stiffies to flash for my boet | 11:45 |
| andrewlsd | sounds like an IBM x600 that I used to have. Had 128MB ram. ran Puppy or Elive beautifullly | 11:45 |
| K_K_N | and when I say all I mean 2 of then I still have on here that has a stiffy drive hey but if Kilos remembers thats the one I installed Lubuntu on which for some reason just froze randomly and you could not get it back | 11:46 |
| andrewlsd | cheers all. going out for a bit | 11:46 |
| K_K_N | cheers andrewlsd | 11:46 |
| nsnzero | K_K_N: possible heating problem can coz a cpu to lockup | 11:47 |
| theblazehen | % expr $((2880*512)) - $(wc -c dctf.mkv | cut -d' ' -f1) | 11:47 |
| theblazehen | 49 | 11:47 |
| theblazehen | Video barely fits :p | 11:47 |
| K_K_N | yeah thats what we thought at that time also another suggestion was the power supply faulty cause I remeber when I took it apart found a Ghecko in there, dead | 11:48 |
| theblazehen | Could greatly improve the video quality if I could put it on an Amiga | 11:50 |
| theblazehen | 1440 KB vs 1760 KB | 11:50 |
| nsnzero | amiga's had dome cutting edge features | 11:51 |
| nsnzero | some | 11:51 |
| theblazehen | Yeah. Wish I was around when they were kind of a thing | 11:52 |
| nsnzero | my friend had a computer that we had to plug into the tv and type out the code for the game you wanted to play | 11:59 |
| nsnzero | it had a bubble memory type disk system that didnt work | 12:00 |
| nsnzero | thats older thah floppy disks | 12:00 |
| K_K_N | oh wow, nsnzero, did it use cassette tapes? | 12:08 |
| * vulcan (johnroux) waves | 12:12 | |
| theblazehen | hi vulcan | 12:12 |
| Kilos | hi vulcan welcome to ubuntu-za | 12:14 |
| nsnzero | K_K_N: that was a commodore but i didnt have 1 | 12:27 |
| nsnzero | welcome vulcan | 12:34 |
| nsnzero | have a good afternoon veryone | 12:34 |
| nsnzero | home time | 12:34 |
| chesedo | lol Kilos that script of yours still uses init... ubuntu has moved on to systemd... | 12:41 |
| chesedo | hi theblazehen | 12:42 |
| chesedo | hi and welcome vulcan | 12:42 |
| theblazehen | hey chesedo | 12:42 |
| chesedo | theblazehen: you still have enough energy for the mini meeting tonight? | 12:42 |
| theblazehen | chesedo: Yeah | 12:43 |
| chesedo | ohh great theblazehen | 12:43 |
| Kilos | ah well | 12:44 |
| chesedo | K_K_N: next time it disconnects run the following in the terminal 'nmcli radio'... | 12:49 |
| chesedo | K_K_N: if it says WWAN is disabled then Kilos' short solution might help - with modifications | 12:49 |
| chesedo | oh hi propagandhi too | 12:52 |
| Kilos | he doesnt talk | 12:52 |
| Kilos | maybe shy or a bot | 12:52 |
| chesedo | Kilos: he only needs to type :P | 12:52 |
| chesedo | from the name (propaganda) i imagine a bot then | 12:53 |
| MaNI | maybe it's a super subtle advertising campaign for the band | 12:55 |
| chesedo | hey see its cloning :P | 13:06 |
| chesedo | 41. class A ip4 is local iirc | 13:08 |
| theblazehen | https://linx.li/4mr9owg0.py I'm a horrible person | 13:15 |
| chesedo | theblazehen: 'lazy' evaluations are great... | 13:16 |
| * chesedo forgot its technical term | 13:17 | |
| Kilos | haha | 13:33 |
| chesedo | hi Adifex | 15:56 |
| chesedo | welcome to ubuntu-za | 15:57 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 16:50 |
| theblazehen | "[19:37:43] AGREED: mini meeting 15 March, not 14 march (paddatrapper)" Is it today or tomorrow? | 17:24 |
| magespawn | chat later all | 17:25 |
| paddatrapper | theblazehen: tomorrow (Wednesday) | 17:28 |
| theblazehen | ty paddatrapper | 17:35 |
| jerit_ | so what do we do with ubuntu here exactly? Give me some examples... It seems like this is not just a fan community for ubuntu | 17:38 |
| Kilos | this is a help channel for all linux users | 17:39 |
| Kilos | and a get together place for all discussion related to our friends | 17:39 |
| Kilos | we discuss farming and health issues as well | 17:40 |
| Kilos | just not religion or politics | 17:40 |
| jerit_ | okay great because I've had this massive boil... :P | 17:40 |
| Kilos | poke a whole in t and squeeze | 17:41 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:41 |
| Kilos | wait till it shows yellow. called being ripe | 17:41 |
| Kilos | in the meantime put a plaster over it to help the pain a bit | 17:41 |
| Kilos | and if you cut a tiny hole in the centre of the plaster it makes a head quicker | 17:42 |
| Kilos | did you get all that jerit_ | 17:45 |
| jerit_ | lol I was joking about the boil :P | 17:46 |
| jerit_ | but yes now I know for if/when I get one so thanks :D | 17:46 |
| Kilos | ubuntu has become quite easy to use and stable so not much help needed everyday like when i started | 17:47 |
| Kilos | haha | 17:47 |
| jerit_ | not so much help needed unless you get scrubs like me who don't know how to make a proper symlink :P | 17:47 |
| Kilos | i dont either | 17:48 |
| Kilos | i am a greeter bot | 17:48 |
| Kilos | the guys do everything for me | 17:48 |
| jerit_ | lol | 17:52 |
| jerit_ | my brother and I sat for like 3 hours working on that TS server on Sunday | 17:52 |
| jerit_ | turns out I'd downloaded the x86 version of the software, not the x64 version | 17:52 |
| Kilos | thats how you learn | 17:52 |
| Kilos | what os you used? | 17:53 |
| jerit_ | once I'd replaced the binary there were still a few things to sort out but it works and its beautiful and I don't know what I'm gonna do with it because I can't get anyone to join it | 17:53 |
| Kilos | oh that chat thing | 17:53 |
| Kilos | we chat here and telegram and other im things | 17:53 |
| Kilos | and on oidgin | 17:54 |
| Kilos | pidgin | 17:54 |
| Kilos | we even have a channel for afrikaans guys but doesnt get used much | 17:56 |
| Kilos | #ubuntu-afr | 17:56 |
| Kilos | and i have 12 ubuntu channels open so where is there time or energy for another chat tool | 17:57 |
| Kilos | morning superfly or near lunch i think | 17:58 |
| Kilos | ohi thatgraemeguy you here at night too | 17:58 |
| superfly | hi Kilos, almost 11am | 17:58 |
| thatgraemeguy | hello hello | 17:58 |
| superfly | ohi thatgraemeguy | 17:59 |
| thatgraemeguy | Congrats on the new wheels :-) | 18:03 |
| * chesedo just realised mini meetings is on wednesdays - which he forgot... | 18:27 | |
| chesedo | hi williamk | 18:33 |
| chesedo | williamk: guess what... i got the dates mixed up... mini meeting is tomorrow | 18:34 |
| chesedo | i have made progress on booktype though | 18:34 |
| williamk | Hi Chesedo, will see abiut tomorrow | 18:35 |
| chesedo | ... but my setup is not serving css and js files correctly so have to do some investigation | 18:35 |
| williamk | Did you look here https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-publish-books-with-booktype-on-debian-8 | 18:37 |
| chesedo | and then pubsweet i still need to figure out how to install it... | 18:37 |
| nsnzero | evening all | 18:37 |
| williamk | Hi nsnzero | 18:37 |
| nsnzero | hi williamk chesedo | 18:38 |
| williamk | https://gitlab.coko.foundation/pubsweet/pubsweet | 18:38 |
| chesedo | williamk: i follow this -> https://sourcefabric.booktype.pro/booktype-21-for-authors-and-publishers/manual-installation-on-gnulinux/ | 18:39 |
| chesedo | but it seems a bit outdated... | 18:40 |
| chesedo | those pubsweet instructions look simple though | 18:40 |
| williamk | I tried to install Pubsweet, no go | 18:42 |
| williamk | I have got Booktype working, but cant get the export to PDF etc | 18:42 |
| chesedo | did you include the php (and mpdf) part for the pdf export | 18:43 |
| williamk | Yes | 18:43 |
| williamk | I could create book with chapters, but could not export | 18:44 |
| superfly | thanks thatgraemeguy | 18:45 |
| williamk | I am also looking at OnlyOffice http://www.onlyoffice.org/ | 18:45 |
| kulelu88 | does anybody use an IRC bouncer ? I want to stay permanently logged in on freenode | 18:46 |
| nasanzero | hi kulelu88 | 18:47 |
| nasanzero | you want to log all messages ? | 18:47 |
| kulelu88 | hey nasanzero | 18:47 |
| chesedo | most use quassel | 18:47 |
| kulelu88 | I'm logging while online | 18:47 |
| chesedo | kulelu88: ^^ | 18:48 |
| theblazehen | Hi | 18:48 |
| chesedo | theblazehen: welcome back... seems like you get to catch up on some sleep... | 18:48 |
| nasanzero | hi theblazehen | 18:48 |
| theblazehen | chesedo heh, yeah. Gonna hit the sack soon. Hi nasanzero | 18:49 |
| williamk | for OnlyOffice, You have to setup 2 servers - Community Server and Document Server | 18:49 |
| nasanzero | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-znc-an-irc-bouncer-on-an-ubuntu-vps | 18:50 |
| nasanzero | kulelu88: maybe that will help | 18:51 |
| thatgraemeguy | kulelu88: I use znc | 18:51 |
| nasanzero | https://github.com/JeremyGrosser/bnc | 18:52 |
| nasanzero | thats in python so customising will be easier | 18:53 |
| nasanzero | one question on which machine will the bot run ? | 18:54 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero What's this for? And you can get a free vm on google cloud | 18:56 |
| nasanzero | kulelu88: needs a irc bouncer bot | 18:57 |
| nasanzero | but i am wondering on which machine irc bots run on - like maaz - does "it/he" run on the freenode server ? | 18:58 |
| chesedo | nasanzero: on a 'dedicated' server | 18:58 |
| kulelu88 | no, freenode doesnt allow that | 18:58 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero, you need to run your own server for the bot | 18:58 |
| * chesedo runs quassel on his home server | 18:59 | |
| kulelu88 | people would put shit on their servers | 18:59 |
| nasanzero | oh right - thanks for the info | 18:59 |
| nasanzero | does everybody here have a server setup ? | 19:01 |
| chesedo | nasanzero: theblazehen has a nice rig | 19:02 |
| chesedo | the rest of us has toys compared to it... | 19:02 |
| williamk | Hi Kilos | 19:03 |
| nasanzero | i just need to find a spare motherboard to start my small server - got everything except a nice mb | 19:03 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero I do indeed :) | 19:03 |
| nasanzero | hi Kilos- | 19:03 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero What CPU do you have? | 19:03 |
| Kilos- | hi nasanzero williamk | 19:03 |
| nasanzero | i was thinking pentium 4 got a few of those - it wont be anything more than a file server | 19:04 |
| jerit_ | so Kilos- if there aren't any fixed projects on the go here and the community is more a sort of help desk then what are the meetings meant to cover? | 19:04 |
| Kilos- | chesedo give him the minutes of last meet please | 19:05 |
| nasanzero | jerit to help and expand the open source community | 19:06 |
| Kilos- | jerit_ join the meeting tomorrow night for an idea of what the mini meets are about | 19:06 |
| chesedo | Maaz: last minutes | 19:06 |
| Maaz | Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.html | 19:06 |
| jerit_ | I've actually been part of a meeting but I couldn't follow anything | 19:06 |
| Kilos- | when you struggle dont be afraid to ask | 19:07 |
| Kilos- | someone will explain for you | 19:07 |
| nasanzero | jerit_: its was like that for me too - know i know whats going on - i think | 19:07 |
| superfly | nasanzero: I have a VPS on Linode | 19:07 |
| chesedo | jerit_: we are suppose to have things like ubuntu hours, release parties, etc... but no one ever seems to take charge of one... | 19:07 |
| nasanzero | hi superfly | 19:08 |
| chesedo | jerit_: then we are also quite far from one another making these more difficult | 19:08 |
| jerit_ | would be so awesome to arrange a meet every few months wouldn't it? | 19:08 |
| chesedo | jerit_: yes, the 'older' ones used to have them quite often | 19:09 |
| * chesedo has not been here that long to experience one yet | 19:10 | |
| jerit_ | older? | 19:10 |
| * jerit_ looks at Kilos- :P | 19:10 | |
| chesedo | exept for karl's release party last year | 19:10 |
| chesedo | jerit_: meaning those that have been here for a long time... | 19:10 |
| theblazehen | https://linx.li/4cfjoz3g.txt chesedo storge upgrade :) | 19:11 |
| chesedo | like Kilos- superfly inetpro | 19:11 |
| Kilos- | hehe | 19:11 |
| Kilos- | i have only met the pro | 19:11 |
| === Kilos- is now known as Kilos | ||
| theblazehen | That isn't that fast though, I think bcache adds overhead, sindce with sequential reads the raid directly is afster | 19:11 |
| * chesedo did not even know vms used caches | 19:12 | |
| jerit_ | chesedo: I know what you meant :P | 19:12 |
| Kilos | is afster even faster than faster? | 19:12 |
| * Kilos ducks | 19:12 | |
| chesedo | theblazehen: raid5? | 19:12 |
| theblazehen | https://linx.li/wylepx5h.txt Direct from raid | 19:12 |
| theblazehen | chesedo RAID 10 with 10x 1 TB disks, and RAID 5 with 3x 256 GB SSD | 19:13 |
| * chesedo turn white of shock... then green of jealousy | 19:13 | |
| theblazehen | Unfortunately I need to mess with network / iscsi settings. Can only get around 290 MB/s out of it over iscsi right now | 19:14 |
| chesedo | theblazehen: is there anyway you can control the size of the stripe blocks? | 19:17 |
| nasanzero | what does the echo 3 do ? | 19:18 |
| * chesedo guess that it is a parameter/flag to turn vm caching on (or a specific cache) | 19:18 | |
| theblazehen | chesedo Yeah, but the defaults work well enough for me, and random writes get converted to sequential with bcache anyway. nasanzero Dunno about the 3, just memorized it as a "Clear all caches" so it doesn't influence the speed test result | 19:19 |
| nasanzero | thanks chesedo - still learning - i know dd but i use dcfldd | 19:20 |
| chesedo | theblazehen: i guess that the size of the dd test was then bigger that this size to fully test the stripe speed? | 19:20 |
| theblazehen | chesedo How do you mean? | 19:21 |
| theblazehen | IIRC default stripe size was 256 KB or something | 19:21 |
| theblazehen | Cleared caches so that I wouldn't be affected by having the first 100 GB of disk in ram | 19:22 |
| chesedo | theblazehen: say the block size is 10kb but the dd ran a size of 9kb, then only one disk was tested... | 19:22 |
| chesedo | or 90kb would test only over 9 disks and not the full ten... | 19:23 |
| theblazehen | Ah. Yeah, no use doing it at that small scale, then you're doing an iops test. And moved from raid 6 -> raid 10 | 19:23 |
| nasanzero | stupid question but what is the need to flush the cache ? | 19:24 |
| chesedo | nasanzero: this has all the options for /proc/sys/vm -> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt | 19:24 |
| chesedo | although i understand little of it | 19:25 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero If I don't flush the cache, then the second time I run the dd command it will fetch the data from ram instead if dusj | 19:25 |
| theblazehen | disk | 19:25 |
| nasanzero | ok you are testing the raid speed - thought you was flushing the cache to disk | 19:27 |
| * chesedo now sees that vm stands for Virtual Memory (in this case) | 19:28 | |
| chesedo | williamk: i have now gotten pubsweet until where it needs sass... so will try (pry) further tomorrow | 19:29 |
| chesedo | night all | 19:29 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero yeah | 19:30 |
| nasanzero | just a side track - if there is free memory the kernel will cache recently used programs and data into a ramdisk | 19:30 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero CLose enough, yeah. Check out the DragonFly BSD though. They have swapcache, which can even cache recently used files on SSD, combined with actual application pages | 19:33 |
| theblazehen | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ | 19:33 |
| inetpro | good evening | 19:37 |
| nasanzero | i did the opposite i have my swap on the hdd - it will never get used i have plenty of ram / also var and tmp is on the hdd also to prevent excessive ssd writes | 19:38 |
| nasanzero | evening inetpro | 19:38 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero http://ssdendurancetest.com/, also swapcache is basically an extension of the kernels application pages + disk cache concept, so it could automatically cache disk stuff on the ssd, or put application stuff on ssd, etc | 19:41 |
| theblazehen | hi inetpro | 19:41 |
| inetpro | how are you doing theblazehen? | 19:41 |
| theblazehen | Good and you inetpro ? | 19:41 |
| inetpro | looks like you been losing some sleep :-) | 19:42 |
| * inetpro is all good | 19:42 | |
| theblazehen | inetpro heh, yeah | 19:42 |
| nasanzero | i am using the evo 750 - not as strong as the 850 | 19:46 |
| nasanzero | Startup finished in 8.679s (firmware) + 3.581s (loader) + 18.038s (kernel) + 11.405s (userspace) = 41.704s | 19:47 |
| theblazehen | Nice. Pity I don't have anything directly on ssds here, iscsi steup would make server time quite bad | 19:49 |
| nasanzero | it will be faster if i could hibernate the system ... but hibernate does not work for hp laptops | 19:49 |
| theblazehen | Startup finished in 7min 16.058s (kernel) + 1min 23.018s (userspace) = 8min 39.076s | 19:49 |
| nasanzero | theblazehen: you running alot of kernel modules there ? | 19:51 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero I think it's counting the time for iscsi setup etc, and maybe somehow bios time too? | 19:53 |
| theblazehen | It takes around 5 min to get through the bios on server at least | 19:53 |
| nasanzero | systemd-analyze blame -> will let you know | 19:55 |
| theblazehen | nasanzero That's only userspace | 19:56 |
| nasanzero | i have a problem with samba 4.6 on the other laptop - nmbd hangs if the lan cable is unplugged | 19:57 |
| nasanzero | wb Kilos | 19:57 |
| * theblazehen is off to bed | 19:58 | |
| theblazehen | Finally | 19:58 |
| Kilos | eish net gone bad. see you all tomorrow | 19:58 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:58 |
| nasanzero | theblazehen: you are right | 19:58 |
| * inetpro also calling it a day | 19:58 | |
| nasanzero | night kilos | 19:58 |
| inetpro | good night | 19:58 |
| Kilos | night inetpro | 19:58 |
| nasanzero | take care inetpro | 20:01 |
| nasanzero | i am also off - need to research how to determine blood glucose levels by using leds and photodiodes | 20:06 |
| nasanzero | or is it blood oxygen levels ???? | 20:07 |
| nasanzero | good night all | 20:11 |
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