[05:43] <magespawn> good morning
[05:51] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:51] <inetpro> oh and hi magespawn
[06:23] <superfly> Evening 
[06:28] <nsnzero> morning all
[06:32] <nsnzero> good evening superfly 
[06:35] <superfly> Night everyone, time for me to catch some Zzzz
[06:37] <paddatrapper> morning magespawn nsnzero inetpro 
[06:37] <paddatrapper> evening superfly 
[06:38] <inetpro> lekker slaap superfly
[06:38] <nsnzero> hi paddatrapper inetpro 
[07:12] <andrewlsd> Morning magespawn inetpro paddatrapper nsnzero K_K_N
[07:12] <andrewlsd> 'fly has probably gone to bed already.
[07:12]  * andrewlsd scrolls Quassel backlog to see what he has missed
[07:13]  * andrewlsd sees it was quiet last night :-)
[07:19] <nsnzero> morning andrewlsd 
[07:19] <nsnzero> very quiet last night
[07:19] <andrewlsd> :-)
[07:20] <andrewlsd> Maaz: seen Kilos
[07:20] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Kilos was last seen 12 hours, 15 minutes and 44 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-03-13 19:04:28 GMT], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-03-13 19:05:08 GMT
[07:22] <nsnzero> kilos was having some issues with his internet connection 
[07:23] <andrewlsd> yeah, saw his post last night. :-(
[07:25] <nsnzero> which brings me to this question - i have a 10mb telkom adsl uncapped but the best dl speed i see is 285kB
[07:26] <andrewlsd> what is your modem sync speed showing?
[07:26] <MaNI> paying for 10mb means nothing if th e exchange in your area can only handle 4mb or 2mb - which is common still
[07:26] <andrewlsd> 285KB/s (Kilobytes) is around 3Mbps
[07:27] <MaNI> only rich areas like sandton get the privilege of having proper infrastructure 
[07:27] <andrewlsd> usually first thing to check is your modem's speed status, ie what linerate it is connectd on.
[07:27] <andrewlsd> once you've done that to check for low sync rate, high Signal to Noise and DSL errors ...
[07:28] <andrewlsd> then the next step is your ISP.
[07:28] <nsnzero> DownStream Connection Speed  12476 kbps
[07:28] <andrewlsd> MaNI: +1
[07:28] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: is the only thing connected this computer at this point. and is it connected via LAN cable?
[07:29] <andrewlsd> if so. I'd suggest opening a new browser (to make sure no other tabs are stealing "speed" by transferring bits) and then use beta.speedtest.net
[07:29] <nsnzero> no i have a network with about 8 pcs and 3 laptops
[07:30] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: then you're likely to never see 10Mpbs on any single computer
[07:30] <andrewlsd> and _as soon_ as the upload link gets close to saturation (like when syncing Dropbox or iThings) your download speed will become rubbish.
[07:31] <andrewlsd> so getting 3Mbps on 1 computer out of 11 devices sounds decent.
[07:32] <andrewlsd> remember each browser probably opens several connections (10+) per page accessed. so number of connections would be 10 * number of tabs * number of users
[07:32] <MaNI> I'd start here: https://secure.telkom.co.za/today/ucm/
[07:32] <nsnzero> speed test confirms its a 2Mbps line
[07:32] <MaNI> see if your address turns up 10Mbps or 4Mbps, if you are in a 4Mbps area like me, then you are wasting your time even trying to look at anything else
[07:33] <MaNI> they will happily charge you for 10Mbps but you will never get it.
[07:33] <andrewlsd> if your downstream connection shows 12476 then you're on DSL2, at 12Mpbs. 
[07:33] <nsnzero> funny thing is when we had power cuts , my download speed went up to 1MBs
[07:33] <MaNI> note with a 4Mbps line expect speeds more like 3Mbps
[07:34] <andrewlsd> andrewlsd: the 12476  is so that Telkom can give you a 10mbit throughput, the extra is added for overheads on the DSL protocol
[07:34] <andrewlsd> btw nsnzero do you use customerportal.telkomsa.net to check your usage?
[07:34] <MaNI> 12476 Kbps or 12476 kbps?
[07:35] <andrewlsd> MaNI: sorry, I probably made a typo. 12476
[07:35] <andrewlsd> MaNI: sorry, I probably made a typo. 12476 kbps
[07:35] <andrewlsd> ie 12mbps
[07:35] <andrewlsd> in order to get a throughput of 10mpbs --> roughly 1 MB/s
[07:36] <nsnzero> brb
[07:37] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: is your ISP also Telkom.  Some ISPs have separate throttles. so your account settign will determine speed. e.g If you buy a 2mbit uncapped account from and ISP, but you have a 10mbit DSL line, you'll still see only around 2mbit on the line
[07:37] <andrewlsd> if your account is a capped account then that _shouldn't_ apply.
[07:38] <andrewlsd> (unless you've hit your Telkom softcap, but that would likely make your internet speed around 50KB/s (512kbit)
[07:38]  * andrewlsd goes away
[07:43] <paddatrapper> hi andrewlsd 
[08:14] <nsnzero> its probaly the exchange hasnt been upgraded
[08:21] <K_K_N> morning andrewlsd
[08:35] <K_K_N> and morning everybody else
[08:37] <K_K_N> btw nsnzero I found that no matter how my internet disconnects including if I just bump the USB device and the laptop looses it and then finds it again I have to restart network-manager to get connected again
[08:37] <K_K_N> only time it workd after a disconnect is if I disconnect it myself
[08:38] <K_K_N> but any other way I have to restart network-manager
[09:00] <nsnzero> hi K_K_N 
[09:00] <K_K_N> hi nsnzero 
[09:01] <nsnzero> i had a problem when did a fresh install of 16.04 - it could find the wifi - upgrading the network manager sorted the problem out
[09:46] <Kilos> whew just made it, morning all
[09:46] <Kilos> and inetpro 
[09:46] <K_K_N> can anybody tell me what this means and if it is anything to be concerned about
[09:47] <K_K_N> I get this message everytime I do an apt whatever
[09:47] <K_K_N> N: Ignoring file '20auto-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[09:47] <K_K_N> morning Kilos
[09:47] <K_K_N> long time no chat
[09:47] <Kilos> hi K_K_N 
[09:47] <K_K_N> hows it going Kilos
[09:48] <Kilos> i been watching you online here  but my connection is very bad so half the time i keep quiet, or sleep
[09:49] <Kilos> im ok ty just struggling with limited blood supply to the ticker
[09:49] <K_K_N> eish, sorry, I know that feeling
[09:49] <Kilos> i dont even get 1 mb/s download speed
[09:49] <K_K_N> eish sorry about that unfortuantely I will not be able to relate there
[09:49] <K_K_N> but sorry to hear that
[09:49] <Kilos> you too young still
[09:50] <K_K_N> oh no that I can relate to
[09:50] <Kilos> haha
[09:50] <K_K_N> I used to get terrible speeds with my 3G\
[09:50] <K_K_N> now its much better
[09:50] <K_K_N> I want an LTE router though then I probably get even faster speeds
[09:50] <Kilos> i only got edge and even that isnt proper edge most of the time
[09:50] <K_K_N> hehe
[09:51] <Kilos> check you in a lte coverage area first before you spend money
[09:51] <K_K_N> eish I hate edge once you have tried LTE which I did when I was in JHB visitin a friends even 3G is a bit slow
[09:51] <K_K_N> hehe
[09:51] <Kilos> yeah 22mb/s would be wonderful
[09:51] <magellanic> K_K_N: did you sort out your connection issue then?
[09:52] <Kilos> hi magellanic 
[09:52] <K_K_N> well according to cellc website they have LTE coverage here where I am now but no LTE advanced
[09:52] <magellanic> hi
[09:52] <K_K_N> hi magellanic 
[09:53] <nsnzero> companies tend to oversell their network capabilities 
[09:54] <magellanic> did you reconnection issue get sorted out then
[09:54] <magellanic> your*
[09:54] <K_K_N> well in a way we may have come closer to figuring out what the issue is. I found that as long as the connectimes out on its own no matter what the reason even if I like sommer bump the the USB modem and it gets disconnected and then is picked up again I have to restart network manager for me to be able to reconnect
[09:55] <magellanic> okay
[09:55] <K_K_N> so whats the reason for that you know? why is it not doing it automatically?
[09:56] <magellanic> it looked dns related, I didn't figure out why
[09:56] <K_K_N> yeah thats what...
[09:56] <K_K_N> eish now so many people assisted me I forget the person who suggested that
[09:56] <K_K_N> and I am afraid to give credit to the wrong person
[09:57] <magellanic> it was me :p
[09:58] <magellanic> we diagnosed it down to something wrt dns
[09:58] <K_K_N> was it, eish sorry mate, my apologies
[09:58] <magellanic> I was curious if you got it completely working again after we left off
[10:01] <K_K_N> nope not yet I was busy searching the net then I realized I am lagging on my work so I get to that then I forget where I left off and well you know how it goes, it then becomes a cycle but luckily for me I have not had this connection disconnect for no reason as it was when I initially started using it and experienced the issues
[10:02] <magellanic> yep, okay
[10:02] <K_K_N> Kilos, are you using one of those Giga packages from CellC?
[10:03] <Kilos> yeah 1g
[10:03] <Kilos> but will take a year to use at this speed
[10:04] <K_K_N> lol
[10:04] <K_K_N> have you checked there 100giga and 200giga packages
[10:05] <K_K_N> the 100giga was going for R999 once of and they give you all the data immediately to use anytime
[10:05] <K_K_N> but I think they now increased the prices...
[10:05] <K_K_N> greedy bas...
[10:05] <K_K_N> LOL
[10:10] <K_K_N> yep confirmed they up their prices
[10:10] <K_K_N> https://www.cellc.co.za/cellc/prepaid-contract-detail/Giga
[10:10] <K_K_N> greedy buggers
[10:11] <Kilos> oh yes sorry we using the 100gig bundle
[10:11] <K_K_N> but yeah considering our other options that is not too bad of a deal
[10:12] <Kilos> the deal is great if the towers in the area are capable
[10:12] <Kilos> they roam with voda here i think and vodas towers suck
[10:12] <K_K_N> I have the 50GB Peak and 150GB Midnight data but that price seems to be the same as what I paid
[10:13] <K_K_N> I thought CellC was all over Gauteng?
[10:13] <Kilos> we just south of rustenburg
[10:14] <K_K_N> ah ok
[10:14] <Kilos> they just called and they sending a techie out in 2 to 7 working days
[10:14] <K_K_N> oh nice tell them you want LTE advanced
[10:14] <K_K_N> they better provide
[10:14] <Kilos> then they can come test with their equipment and then fix the tower
[10:15] <Kilos> no lte on farms i think
[10:15] <Kilos> but ill try
[10:15] <Kilos> im happy with hsdpa
[10:16] <Kilos> i have a short script somewhere that make nm connect automagically
[10:16] <Kilos> ill try find it for you
[10:16] <Kilos> what release are you using
[10:16] <Kilos> i havent needed it on 16.04
[10:16] <K_K_N> eish yeah you telling me, when we were still living in the farm we were like a min drive to the area that picked up LTE but we had none
[10:17] <K_K_N> even 3G was like if the weather was good only
[10:17] <K_K_N> lol
[10:17] <Kilos> lol
[10:17] <K_K_N> I am using 16.04
[10:17] <Kilos> then it should connect
[10:17] <Kilos> i will look for the script
[10:18] <K_K_N> ok cool thanks Kilos 
[10:18] <nsnzero> K_K_N: there was a 16.04.2 point upgrade 
[10:18] <Kilos> somewhere on a drive in desktop i think, if you lucky its on a stick
[10:18] <K_K_N> nsnzero, yep I have that version
[10:18] <K_K_N> I am always updating but after 00:00 using midnight data
[10:18] <K_K_N> hehe
[10:19] <nsnzero> same here - but anytime i get bored 
[10:23] <nsnzero> i am 16.04.01 - now how do i upgrade to .2 ?
[10:24] <K_K_N> not sure I just continued updating and updating and now its on 16.04.2
[10:25] <magellanic> the normal update process will take you there
[10:25] <Kilos> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[10:27] <nsnzero> maybe coz i am on neon - all updates installed
[10:28] <nsnzero> #44~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 3 17:11:16 UTC 2017
[10:29] <Kilos> K_K_N here it is. im gonna try type it here correctly for you
[10:31] <Kilos> better i put t on a stick and bring it here
[10:34] <Kilos> sudo nano /etc/rc.local
[10:35] <Kilos> Now add this line above exit 0
[10:35] <Kilos> (while :; do nmcli -t nm wwan on; sleep 1; done)&
[10:35] <Kilos> Save the file and exit.
[10:36] <Kilos> K_K_N try that
[10:36] <Kilos> i have more in the file but i think its from and earlier script
[10:37] <Kilos> i first got a full page script to do the job but later some guy gave this short one
[10:39]  * andrewlsd pops back in here
[10:41] <nsnzero> Kilos: check if you have a script to change konsole's profile when connected to another pc via ssh
[10:41]  * chesedo thinks that your script might be broken Kilos
[10:42] <Kilos> why chesedo 
[10:42] <Kilos> iirc i had to reboot
[10:42] <chesedo> on by 16.10 `nmcli -t nm wwan on` fails with 'no nm object'
[10:43] <Kilos> maybe these must be added
[10:43] <chesedo> it seems that it should be 'nmcli -t radio wwan on'
[10:43] <andrewlsd> perhaps `wwan` is not the name of the connection
[10:43] <andrewlsd> +1 chesedo
[10:44] <Kilos> oh maybe it was ppp0e in there
[10:45] <chesedo> also, running it every second (sleep 1) might be a bit of an overkill
[10:45] <Kilos> lemme paste the whole story
[10:46]  * chesedo is off to lunch so will check later
[10:46] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info/mmm5wnkt
[10:47] <Kilos> i have used that whole page from when nm got sick and added the last bit at the top
[10:51] <Kilos> that was in 12.04 or 14.04
[10:51] <nsnzero> is that specifically for wireless lan ?
[10:52] <Kilos> no i used it for a modem plugged into pc and maybe modified it when in aus to get wireless working
[10:53] <Kilos> i dont remember everything ive had to do to stay connected
[10:53] <Kilos> hehe
[10:54] <Kilos> you clever guys have the basic command now just fix it to suit the connecting being used
[10:54] <Kilos> maybe back then there was ppp0e in there
[10:54] <Kilos> or whatever the modem is seen as
[10:55] <nsnzero> iwconfig or ifconfig will tell you
[11:04] <K_K_N> sorry stepped away from my desk
[11:04] <K_K_N> thanks Kilos 
[11:05] <K_K_N> I added that line
[11:05] <K_K_N> now after reading the comments after should I be editing and which parts?
[11:07] <K_K_N> wow Kilos, just read yor script thats alot should I copy and paste everything?
[11:08] <Kilos> no the stuff after the first few lines was for that whole original script
[11:09] <Kilos> the top was the latest, but cant remember if it needed some of the further commands
[11:09] <Kilos> lets hear what chesedo says
[11:09] <K_K_N> ok cool
[11:09] <K_K_N> will wait in anticipation
[11:09] <K_K_N> hehe
[11:13] <Kilos> hehe
[11:13] <Kilos> you need to point it to the modem
[11:14] <Kilos> so run iwconf or inconfig
[11:14] <Kilos> and then wait for chesedo 
[11:14] <Kilos> hehe
[11:16] <K_K_N> ok will do Kilos, Thanks Kilos, alwaysa very big help, much appreciated
[11:16] <Kilos> hope it works for you
[11:17] <Kilos> but strange you have that prob still. since i went 16.04 i havent needed it
[11:18] <Kilos> oh and now im using eth cable so no modem hassles. now hassles are from router and cellc
[11:19] <K_K_N> yeah not sure why, initially I thought maybe I need the software for the modem but the .deb file on the actual modem seems to be only compatible with older versions of Ubuntu and does not work with 16.04
[11:20] <Kilos> nm should just see the modem and connect if you tick the connect automatically button
[11:20] <Kilos> only modeswitch could be missing i think but in mine it worked i used the modem in hospital
[11:21] <Kilos> but im on kde
[11:22] <K_K_N> ok I am on...
[11:22] <K_K_N> wait how do I check that I think its unity
[11:22] <Kilos> where is your launcher
[11:23] <Kilos> on the left side was unity
[11:23] <Kilos> you are on what?
[11:23] <Kilos> did the modem connect on its own
[11:24] <K_K_N> yeah on the left hand side
[11:25] <K_K_N> nope I connect on my own but ubuntu picks it up as a mobile broadband
[11:25] <Kilos> have you set it up
[11:25] <K_K_N> but I disable automatically connect to this if its available
[11:25] <Kilos> with the thing where you  choose country etc
[11:25] <K_K_N> yeah I did
[11:26] <Kilos> try deleting that one and setting it up again
[11:27] <Kilos> if you disconnect the auto button how can it connect automatically
[11:27] <K_K_N> ok but I did that as well
[11:27] <Kilos> ai! you spinning my head
[11:27] <K_K_N> the issue was Kilos, that when it disconnects for whatever reason and I reconnect I still have nothing even though the connection status says connected
[11:28] <K_K_N> previously I had to reboot to get connected again
[11:28] <K_K_N> but now I found that restarting network-manager does the trick
[11:28] <Kilos> i have had that some time back , i pull the modem and plug it back again
[11:28] <K_K_N> yeah that also did not help me
[11:28] <Kilos> isnt the modem timing out
[11:29] <Kilos> then you install it on a win pc and go into settings and set for max like 9999
[11:29] <Kilos> or something like that
[11:30] <K_K_N> well it was not at first it just stop working yet the modem light was a constant blue as if it was still connected and the connection status says its tsill connected with IP address etc from ISP but I still could not access internet, email or even irc
[11:30] <K_K_N> had to reboot to get connected
[11:30] <Kilos> ya same thing but that was on 14.04
[11:30] <Kilos> and older modem
[11:31] <K_K_N> I unplugged and replugged modem it said connected when I connected again but still nothing, deleted and recreated connection and still the same
[11:31] <Kilos> ai!
[11:31] <K_K_N> rebooted was the only thing that helped but now I learnt after assistance from the peeps in here restarting network-manager helped
[11:31] <Kilos> get used to restarting nm every now and again then
[11:32] <K_K_N> yeah I guess I have to
[11:32] <K_K_N> but I am fine with the it timing out but what I want to know is why do I have to restart network-manager
[11:33] <Kilos> because it doesnt see the timeout
[11:33] <K_K_N> once the modem is picked up again I would like to just click connect and it must work
[11:33]  * andrewlsd has no idea what K_K_N and Kilos mean. isn't NM just wonderful
[11:33]  * andrewlsd ends sarcasm
[11:33] <Kilos> lol
[11:33] <K_K_N> LOL @ andrewlsd 
[11:34] <theblazehen> Hi all
[11:34] <K_K_N> hey theblazehen 
[11:34] <Kilos> nm been a weak link in ubuntu for some years now
[11:34] <andrewlsd> more sarcasm: K_K_N there's nothing wrong with NM, it's your hardware!
[11:34] <K_K_N> hows it going
[11:34] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[11:34] <andrewlsd> Hello theblazehen :-D
[11:34] <K_K_N> lol it could most probably be
[11:34]  * andrewlsd wonders whether theblazehen has had 8 hours (in total) sleep since Friday.
[11:35] <theblazehen> Good and you K_K_N ?
[11:35] <K_K_N> andrewlsd, my laptop is like 8 years old
[11:35] <theblazehen> andrewlsd Somewhere around there
[11:35] <K_K_N> not too bad hey
[11:36] <theblazehen> At least /me can get some sleep tonight. Done writing that thing up on vulnerability I found, just waiting for vendor to patch it, and CVE ID to be assigned
[11:37] <andrewlsd> woot. 
[11:37] <K_K_N> andrewlsd, my laptop is so old when I bought it it came with Windows Vista
[11:37] <K_K_N> LOL
[11:38] <K_K_N> I still have it install here dual booted ubuntu on it
[11:38] <theblazehen> K_K_N a decent enough thin client :p
[11:38] <K_K_N> only difference from when I bought is that I added and extra gig of ram so now it has 3GB of RAM
[11:38] <K_K_N> hehe
[11:39] <theblazehen> I get nervous when I have less than 4 GB free... :/ Maybe I'm a little spoilt
[11:39] <K_K_N> took the 1 GIG out of another laptop I stripped and decided not to put back together
[11:40] <K_K_N> I wish I had 4GB :(
[11:41] <K_K_N> but remember the days when 512kb ram was the bomb
[11:41] <K_K_N> LOL
[11:41] <K_K_N> hahaha
[11:41] <K_K_N> I wonder what it would be like to work on those machines again
[11:42] <Kilos> painful
[11:42] <K_K_N> lol
[11:42] <theblazehen> K_K_N I wonder if I can play my "Don't Copy That Floppy " Floppy on those PCs...
[11:43] <theblazehen> or lets make it a 15 year old PC. When they stiffies were still around
[11:43] <Kilos> i have an external stiffy drive
[11:43] <Kilos> worked well last i used it
[11:43] <K_K_N> wow
[11:43] <nsnzero> lol - Kilos 
[11:44] <K_K_N> they still exist Kilos 
[11:44] <Kilos> better on win though
[11:44] <andrewlsd> unless you're using a Linux that fits on just one 1.44MB stiffy
[11:44] <Kilos> yeah it looks quite modern in fancy black case like external 2.5 inch drives
[11:44] <K_K_N> I am sad that my parents gave all our old machines away it would have been good to reminiscence 
[11:45] <Kilos> i used it to copy stiffies to flash for my boet
[11:45] <andrewlsd> sounds like an IBM x600 that I used to have. Had 128MB ram. ran Puppy or Elive beautifullly
[11:46] <K_K_N> and when I say all I mean 2 of then I still have on here that has a stiffy drive hey but if Kilos remembers thats the one I installed Lubuntu on which for some reason just froze randomly and you could not get it back
[11:46] <andrewlsd> cheers all. going out for a bit
[11:46] <K_K_N> cheers andrewlsd 
[11:47] <nsnzero> K_K_N: possible heating problem can coz a cpu to lockup
[11:47] <theblazehen> % expr $((2880*512)) - $(wc -c dctf.mkv | cut -d' ' -f1) 
[11:47] <theblazehen> 49
[11:47] <theblazehen> Video barely fits :p
[11:48] <K_K_N> yeah thats what we thought at that time also another suggestion was the power supply faulty cause I remeber when I took it apart found a Ghecko in there, dead
[11:50] <theblazehen> Could greatly improve the video quality if I could put it on an Amiga
[11:50] <theblazehen> 1440 KB vs 1760 KB
[11:51] <nsnzero> amiga's had dome cutting edge features
[11:51] <nsnzero> some
[11:52] <theblazehen> Yeah. Wish I was around when they were kind of a thing
[11:59] <nsnzero> my friend had a computer that we had to plug into the tv and type out the code for the game you wanted to play 
[12:00] <nsnzero> it had a bubble memory type disk system that didnt work 
[12:00] <nsnzero> thats older thah floppy disks 
[12:08] <K_K_N> oh wow, nsnzero, did it use cassette tapes?
[12:12]  * vulcan (johnroux) waves
[12:12] <theblazehen> hi vulcan
[12:14] <Kilos> hi vulcan welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:27] <nsnzero> K_K_N: that was a commodore but i didnt have 1  
[12:34] <nsnzero> welcome vulcan
[12:34] <nsnzero> have a good afternoon veryone
[12:34] <nsnzero> home time
[12:41] <chesedo> lol Kilos that script of yours still uses init... ubuntu has moved on to systemd...
[12:42] <chesedo> hi theblazehen
[12:42] <chesedo> hi and welcome vulcan
[12:42] <theblazehen> hey chesedo
[12:42] <chesedo> theblazehen: you still have enough energy for the mini meeting tonight?
[12:43] <theblazehen> chesedo: Yeah
[12:43] <chesedo> ohh great theblazehen
[12:44] <Kilos> ah well
[12:49] <chesedo> K_K_N: next time it disconnects run the following in the terminal 'nmcli radio'...
[12:49] <chesedo> K_K_N: if it says WWAN is disabled then Kilos' short solution might help - with modifications
[12:52] <chesedo> oh hi propagandhi too
[12:52] <Kilos> he doesnt talk
[12:52] <Kilos> maybe shy or a bot
[12:52] <chesedo> Kilos: he only needs to type :P
[12:53] <chesedo> from the name (propaganda) i imagine a bot then
[12:55] <MaNI> maybe it's a super subtle advertising campaign for the band
[13:06] <chesedo> hey see its cloning :P
[13:08] <chesedo> 41. class A ip4 is local iirc
[13:15] <theblazehen> https://linx.li/4mr9owg0.py I'm a horrible person
[13:16] <chesedo> theblazehen: 'lazy' evaluations are great...
[13:17]  * chesedo forgot its technical term
[13:33] <Kilos> haha
[15:56] <chesedo> hi Adifex
[15:57] <chesedo> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:50] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:24] <theblazehen> "[19:37:43] AGREED: mini meeting 15 March, not 14 march (paddatrapper)" Is it today or tomorrow?
[17:25] <magespawn> chat later all
[17:28] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: tomorrow (Wednesday) 
[17:35] <theblazehen> ty paddatrapper
[17:38] <jerit_> so what do we do with ubuntu here exactly? Give me some examples... It seems like this is not just a fan community for ubuntu
[17:39] <Kilos> this is a help channel for all linux users
[17:39] <Kilos> and a get together place for all discussion related to our friends
[17:40] <Kilos> we discuss farming and health issues as well
[17:40] <Kilos> just not religion or politics
[17:40] <jerit_> okay great because I've had this massive boil... :P
[17:41] <Kilos> poke a whole in t and squeeze
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <Kilos> wait till it shows yellow. called being ripe
[17:41] <Kilos> in the meantime put a plaster over it to help the pain a bit
[17:42] <Kilos> and if you cut a tiny hole in the centre of the plaster it makes a head quicker
[17:45] <Kilos> did you get all that jerit_ 
[17:46] <jerit_> lol I was joking about the boil :P
[17:46] <jerit_> but yes now I know for if/when I get one so thanks :D
[17:47] <Kilos> ubuntu has become quite easy to use and stable so not much help needed everyday like when  i started
[17:47] <Kilos> haha
[17:47] <jerit_> not so much help needed unless you get scrubs like me who don't know how to make a proper symlink :P
[17:48] <Kilos> i dont either
[17:48] <Kilos> i am a greeter bot
[17:48] <Kilos> the guys do everything for me
[17:52] <jerit_> lol
[17:52] <jerit_> my brother and I sat for like 3 hours working on that TS server on Sunday
[17:52] <jerit_> turns out I'd downloaded the x86 version of the software, not the x64 version
[17:52] <Kilos> thats how you learn
[17:53] <Kilos> what os you used?
[17:53] <jerit_> once I'd replaced the binary there were still a few things to sort out but it works and its beautiful and I don't know what I'm gonna do with it because I can't get anyone to join it
[17:53] <Kilos> oh that chat thing
[17:53] <Kilos> we chat here and telegram and other im things
[17:54] <Kilos> and on oidgin
[17:54] <Kilos> pidgin
[17:56] <Kilos> we even have a channel for afrikaans guys but doesnt get used much
[17:56] <Kilos> #ubuntu-afr
[17:57] <Kilos> and i have 12 ubuntu channels open so where is there time or energy for another chat tool
[17:58] <Kilos> morning superfly or near lunch i think
[17:58] <Kilos> ohi thatgraemeguy you here at night too
[17:58] <superfly> hi Kilos, almost 11am
[17:58] <thatgraemeguy> hello hello
[17:59] <superfly> ohi thatgraemeguy
[18:03] <thatgraemeguy> Congrats on the new wheels :-)
[18:27]  * chesedo just realised mini meetings is on wednesdays - which he forgot...
[18:33] <chesedo> hi williamk
[18:34] <chesedo> williamk: guess what... i got the dates mixed up... mini meeting is tomorrow
[18:34] <chesedo> i have made progress on booktype though
[18:35] <williamk> Hi Chesedo, will see abiut tomorrow
[18:35] <chesedo> ... but my setup is not serving css and js files correctly so have to do some investigation
[18:37] <williamk> Did you look here https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-publish-books-with-booktype-on-debian-8
[18:37] <chesedo> and then pubsweet i still need to figure out how to install it...
[18:37] <nsnzero> evening all
[18:37] <williamk> Hi nsnzero
[18:38] <nsnzero> hi williamk chesedo 
[18:38] <williamk> https://gitlab.coko.foundation/pubsweet/pubsweet
[18:39] <chesedo> williamk: i follow this -> https://sourcefabric.booktype.pro/booktype-21-for-authors-and-publishers/manual-installation-on-gnulinux/
[18:40] <chesedo> but it seems a bit outdated...
[18:40] <chesedo> those pubsweet instructions look simple though
[18:42] <williamk> I tried to install Pubsweet, no go
[18:42] <williamk> I have got Booktype working, but cant get the export to PDF etc
[18:43] <chesedo> did you include the php (and mpdf) part for the pdf export
[18:43] <williamk> Yes
[18:44] <williamk> I could create book with chapters, but could not export
[18:45] <superfly> thanks thatgraemeguy
[18:45] <williamk> I am also looking at OnlyOffice http://www.onlyoffice.org/
[18:46] <kulelu88> does anybody use an IRC bouncer ? I want to stay permanently logged in on freenode 
[18:47] <nasanzero> hi kulelu88 
[18:47] <nasanzero> you want to log all messages ?
[18:47] <kulelu88> hey nasanzero 
[18:47] <chesedo> most use quassel
[18:47] <kulelu88> I'm logging while online
[18:48] <chesedo> kulelu88: ^^
[18:48] <theblazehen> Hi
[18:48] <chesedo> theblazehen: welcome back... seems like you get to catch up on some sleep...
[18:48] <nasanzero> hi theblazehen 
[18:49] <theblazehen> chesedo heh, yeah. Gonna hit the sack soon. Hi nasanzero
[18:49] <williamk> for OnlyOffice, You have to setup 2 servers - Community Server and Document Server
[18:50] <nasanzero> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-znc-an-irc-bouncer-on-an-ubuntu-vps
[18:51] <nasanzero> kulelu88: maybe that will help
[18:51] <thatgraemeguy> kulelu88: I use znc
[18:52] <nasanzero> https://github.com/JeremyGrosser/bnc
[18:53] <nasanzero> thats in python so customising will be easier
[18:54] <nasanzero> one question on which machine will the bot run ?
[18:56] <theblazehen> nasanzero What's this for? And you can get a free vm on google cloud
[18:57] <nasanzero> kulelu88: needs a irc bouncer bot
[18:58] <nasanzero> but i am wondering on which machine irc bots run on - like maaz - does "it/he" run on the freenode server ?
[18:58] <chesedo> nasanzero: on a 'dedicated' server
[18:58] <kulelu88> no, freenode doesnt allow that
[18:58] <theblazehen> nasanzero, you need to run your own server for the bot
[18:59]  * chesedo runs quassel on his home server
[18:59] <kulelu88> people would put shit on their servers
[18:59] <nasanzero> oh right - thanks for the info
[19:01] <nasanzero> does everybody here have a server setup ?
[19:02] <chesedo> nasanzero: theblazehen has a nice rig
[19:02] <chesedo> the rest of us has toys compared to it...
[19:03] <williamk> Hi Kilos
[19:03] <nasanzero> i just need to find a spare motherboard to start my small server - got everything except a nice mb
[19:03] <theblazehen> nasanzero I do indeed :)
[19:03] <nasanzero> hi Kilos- 
[19:03] <theblazehen> nasanzero What CPU do you have?
[19:03] <Kilos-> hi nasanzero williamk 
[19:04] <nasanzero> i was thinking pentium 4 got a few of those - it wont be anything more than a file server 
[19:04] <jerit_> so Kilos- if there aren't any fixed projects on the go here and the community is more a sort of help desk then what are the meetings meant to cover?
[19:05] <Kilos-> chesedo give him the minutes of last meet please
[19:06] <nasanzero> jerit to help and expand the open source community
[19:06] <Kilos-> jerit_ join the meeting tomorrow night for an idea of what the mini meets are about
[19:06] <chesedo> Maaz: last minutes
[19:06] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2017-02-28-18-32-52.html
[19:06] <jerit_> I've actually been part of a meeting but I couldn't follow anything
[19:07] <Kilos-> when you struggle dont be afraid to ask
[19:07] <Kilos-> someone will explain for you
[19:07] <nasanzero> jerit_: its was like that for me too - know i know whats going on - i think
[19:07] <superfly> nasanzero: I have a VPS on Linode
[19:07] <chesedo> jerit_: we are suppose to have things like ubuntu hours, release parties, etc... but no one ever seems to take charge of one...
[19:08] <nasanzero> hi superfly 
[19:08] <chesedo> jerit_: then we are also quite far from one another making these more difficult
[19:08] <jerit_> would be so awesome to arrange a meet every few months wouldn't it?
[19:09] <chesedo> jerit_: yes, the 'older' ones used to have them quite often
[19:10]  * chesedo has not been here that long to experience one yet
[19:10] <jerit_> older?
[19:10]  * jerit_ looks at Kilos- :P
[19:10] <chesedo> exept for karl's release party last year
[19:10] <chesedo> jerit_: meaning those that have been here for a long time...
[19:11] <theblazehen> https://linx.li/4cfjoz3g.txt chesedo storge upgrade :)
[19:11] <chesedo> like Kilos- superfly inetpro
[19:11] <Kilos-> hehe
[19:11] <Kilos-> i have only met the pro
[19:11] <theblazehen> That isn't that fast though, I think bcache adds overhead, sindce with sequential reads the raid directly is afster
[19:12]  * chesedo did not even know vms used caches
[19:12] <jerit_> chesedo: I know what you meant :P
[19:12] <Kilos> is afster even faster than faster?
[19:12]  * Kilos ducks
[19:12] <chesedo> theblazehen: raid5?
[19:12] <theblazehen> https://linx.li/wylepx5h.txt Direct from raid
[19:13] <theblazehen> chesedo RAID 10 with 10x 1 TB disks, and RAID 5 with 3x 256 GB SSD 
[19:13]  * chesedo turn white of shock... then green of jealousy
[19:14] <theblazehen> Unfortunately I need to mess with network / iscsi settings. Can only get around 290 MB/s out of it over iscsi right now
[19:17] <chesedo> theblazehen: is there anyway you can control the size of the stripe blocks?
[19:18] <nasanzero> what does the echo 3 do ?
[19:18]  * chesedo guess that it is a parameter/flag to turn vm caching on (or a specific cache)
[19:19] <theblazehen> chesedo Yeah, but the defaults work well enough for me, and random writes get converted to sequential with bcache anyway. nasanzero Dunno about the 3, just memorized it as a "Clear all caches" so it doesn't influence the speed test result
[19:20] <nasanzero> thanks chesedo - still learning - i know dd but i use dcfldd
[19:20] <chesedo> theblazehen: i guess that the size of the dd test was then bigger that this size to fully test the stripe speed?
[19:21] <theblazehen> chesedo How do you mean?
[19:21] <theblazehen> IIRC default stripe size was 256 KB or something
[19:22] <theblazehen> Cleared caches so that I wouldn't be affected by having the first 100 GB of disk in ram
[19:22] <chesedo> theblazehen: say the block size is 10kb but the dd ran a size of 9kb, then only one disk was tested...
[19:23] <chesedo> or 90kb would test only over 9 disks and not the full ten...
[19:23] <theblazehen> Ah. Yeah, no use doing it at that small scale, then you're doing an iops test. And moved from raid 6 -> raid 10
[19:24] <nasanzero> stupid question but what is the need to flush the cache ?
[19:24] <chesedo> nasanzero: this has all the options for /proc/sys/vm -> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt
[19:25] <chesedo> although i understand little of it
[19:25] <theblazehen> nasanzero If I don't flush the cache, then the second time I run the dd command it will fetch the data from ram instead if dusj
[19:25] <theblazehen> disk
[19:27] <nasanzero> ok you are testing the raid speed - thought you was flushing the cache to disk 
[19:28]  * chesedo now sees that vm stands for Virtual Memory (in this case)
[19:29] <chesedo> williamk: i have now gotten pubsweet until where it needs sass... so will try (pry) further tomorrow
[19:29] <chesedo> night all
[19:30] <theblazehen> nasanzero yeah
[19:30] <nasanzero> just a side track - if there is free memory the kernel will cache recently used programs and data into a ramdisk 
[19:33] <theblazehen> nasanzero CLose enough, yeah. Check out the DragonFly BSD though. They have swapcache, which can even cache recently used files on SSD, combined with actual application pages
[19:33] <theblazehen> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[19:37] <inetpro> good evening
[19:38] <nasanzero> i did the opposite i have my swap on the hdd - it will never get used i have plenty of ram / also var and tmp is on the hdd also to prevent excessive ssd writes 
[19:38] <nasanzero> evening inetpro 
[19:41] <theblazehen> nasanzero http://ssdendurancetest.com/, also swapcache is basically an extension of the kernels application pages + disk cache concept, so it could automatically cache disk stuff on the ssd, or put application stuff on ssd, etc
[19:41] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[19:41] <inetpro> how are you doing theblazehen?
[19:41] <theblazehen> Good and you inetpro ?
[19:42] <inetpro> looks like you been losing some sleep :-)
[19:42]  * inetpro is all good 
[19:42] <theblazehen> inetpro heh, yeah
[19:46] <nasanzero> i am using the evo 750 - not as strong as the 850
[19:47] <nasanzero> Startup finished in 8.679s (firmware) + 3.581s (loader) + 18.038s (kernel) + 11.405s (userspace) = 41.704s
[19:49] <theblazehen> Nice. Pity I don't have anything directly on ssds here, iscsi steup would make server time quite bad
[19:49] <nasanzero> it will be faster if i could hibernate the system ... but hibernate does not work for hp laptops
[19:49] <theblazehen> Startup finished in 7min 16.058s (kernel) + 1min 23.018s (userspace) = 8min 39.076s
[19:51] <nasanzero> theblazehen:  you running alot of kernel modules there ?
[19:53] <theblazehen> nasanzero I think it's counting the time for iscsi setup etc, and maybe somehow bios time too?
[19:53] <theblazehen> It takes around 5 min to get through the bios on server at least
[19:55] <nasanzero> systemd-analyze blame  -> will let you know
[19:56] <theblazehen> nasanzero That's only userspace
[19:57] <nasanzero> i have a problem with samba 4.6 on the other laptop - nmbd hangs if the lan cable is unplugged 
[19:57] <nasanzero> wb Kilos 
[19:58]  * theblazehen is off to bed
[19:58] <theblazehen> Finally
[19:58] <Kilos> eish net gone bad. see you all tomorrow
[19:58] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:58] <nasanzero> theblazehen: you are right 
[19:58]  * inetpro also calling it a day
[19:58] <nasanzero> night kilos
[19:58] <inetpro> good night
[19:58] <Kilos>  night inetpro 
[20:01] <nasanzero> take care inetpro 
[20:06] <nasanzero> i am also off - need to research how to determine blood glucose levels by using leds and photodiodes 
[20:07] <nasanzero> or is it blood oxygen levels ????
[20:11] <nasanzero> good night all