[05:43] good morning [05:51] good mornings [05:51] oh and hi magespawn [06:23] Evening [06:28] morning all [06:32] good evening superfly [06:35] Night everyone, time for me to catch some Zzzz [06:37] morning magespawn nsnzero inetpro [06:37] evening superfly [06:38] lekker slaap superfly [06:38] hi paddatrapper inetpro [07:12] Morning magespawn inetpro paddatrapper nsnzero K_K_N [07:12] 'fly has probably gone to bed already. [07:12] * andrewlsd scrolls Quassel backlog to see what he has missed [07:13] * andrewlsd sees it was quiet last night :-) [07:19] morning andrewlsd [07:19] very quiet last night [07:19] :-) [07:20] Maaz: seen Kilos [07:20] andrewlsd: Kilos was last seen 12 hours, 15 minutes and 44 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2017-03-13 19:04:28 GMT], and has been offline on freenode since 2017-03-13 19:05:08 GMT [07:22] kilos was having some issues with his internet connection [07:23] yeah, saw his post last night. :-( [07:25] which brings me to this question - i have a 10mb telkom adsl uncapped but the best dl speed i see is 285kB [07:26] what is your modem sync speed showing? [07:26] paying for 10mb means nothing if th e exchange in your area can only handle 4mb or 2mb - which is common still [07:26] 285KB/s (Kilobytes) is around 3Mbps [07:27] only rich areas like sandton get the privilege of having proper infrastructure [07:27] usually first thing to check is your modem's speed status, ie what linerate it is connectd on. [07:27] once you've done that to check for low sync rate, high Signal to Noise and DSL errors ... [07:28] then the next step is your ISP. [07:28] DownStream Connection Speed 12476 kbps [07:28] MaNI: +1 [07:28] nsnzero: is the only thing connected this computer at this point. and is it connected via LAN cable? [07:29] if so. I'd suggest opening a new browser (to make sure no other tabs are stealing "speed" by transferring bits) and then use beta.speedtest.net [07:29] no i have a network with about 8 pcs and 3 laptops [07:30] nsnzero: then you're likely to never see 10Mpbs on any single computer [07:30] and _as soon_ as the upload link gets close to saturation (like when syncing Dropbox or iThings) your download speed will become rubbish. [07:31] so getting 3Mbps on 1 computer out of 11 devices sounds decent. [07:32] remember each browser probably opens several connections (10+) per page accessed. so number of connections would be 10 * number of tabs * number of users [07:32] I'd start here: https://secure.telkom.co.za/today/ucm/ [07:32] speed test confirms its a 2Mbps line [07:32] see if your address turns up 10Mbps or 4Mbps, if you are in a 4Mbps area like me, then you are wasting your time even trying to look at anything else [07:33] they will happily charge you for 10Mbps but you will never get it. [07:33] if your downstream connection shows 12476 then you're on DSL2, at 12Mpbs. [07:33] funny thing is when we had power cuts , my download speed went up to 1MBs [07:33] note with a 4Mbps line expect speeds more like 3Mbps [07:34] andrewlsd: the 12476 is so that Telkom can give you a 10mbit throughput, the extra is added for overheads on the DSL protocol [07:34] btw nsnzero do you use customerportal.telkomsa.net to check your usage? [07:34] 12476 Kbps or 12476 kbps? [07:35] MaNI: sorry, I probably made a typo. 12476 [07:35] MaNI: sorry, I probably made a typo. 12476 kbps [07:35] ie 12mbps [07:35] in order to get a throughput of 10mpbs --> roughly 1 MB/s [07:36] brb [07:37] nsnzero: is your ISP also Telkom. Some ISPs have separate throttles. so your account settign will determine speed. e.g If you buy a 2mbit uncapped account from and ISP, but you have a 10mbit DSL line, you'll still see only around 2mbit on the line [07:37] if your account is a capped account then that _shouldn't_ apply. [07:38] (unless you've hit your Telkom softcap, but that would likely make your internet speed around 50KB/s (512kbit) [07:38] * andrewlsd goes away [07:43] hi andrewlsd [08:14] its probaly the exchange hasnt been upgraded [08:21] morning andrewlsd [08:35] and morning everybody else [08:37] btw nsnzero I found that no matter how my internet disconnects including if I just bump the USB device and the laptop looses it and then finds it again I have to restart network-manager to get connected again [08:37] only time it workd after a disconnect is if I disconnect it myself [08:38] but any other way I have to restart network-manager [09:00] hi K_K_N [09:00] hi nsnzero [09:01] i had a problem when did a fresh install of 16.04 - it could find the wifi - upgrading the network manager sorted the problem out [09:46] whew just made it, morning all [09:46] and inetpro [09:46] can anybody tell me what this means and if it is anything to be concerned about [09:47] I get this message everytime I do an apt whatever [09:47] N: Ignoring file '20auto-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension [09:47] morning Kilos [09:47] long time no chat [09:47] hi K_K_N [09:47] hows it going Kilos [09:48] i been watching you online here but my connection is very bad so half the time i keep quiet, or sleep [09:49] im ok ty just struggling with limited blood supply to the ticker [09:49] eish, sorry, I know that feeling [09:49] i dont even get 1 mb/s download speed [09:49] eish sorry about that unfortuantely I will not be able to relate there [09:49] but sorry to hear that [09:49] you too young still [09:50] oh no that I can relate to [09:50] haha [09:50] I used to get terrible speeds with my 3G\ [09:50] now its much better [09:50] I want an LTE router though then I probably get even faster speeds [09:50] i only got edge and even that isnt proper edge most of the time [09:50] hehe [09:51] check you in a lte coverage area first before you spend money [09:51] eish I hate edge once you have tried LTE which I did when I was in JHB visitin a friends even 3G is a bit slow [09:51] hehe [09:51] yeah 22mb/s would be wonderful [09:51] K_K_N: did you sort out your connection issue then? [09:52] hi magellanic [09:52] well according to cellc website they have LTE coverage here where I am now but no LTE advanced [09:52] hi [09:52] hi magellanic [09:53] companies tend to oversell their network capabilities [09:54] did you reconnection issue get sorted out then [09:54] your* [09:54] well in a way we may have come closer to figuring out what the issue is. I found that as long as the connectimes out on its own no matter what the reason even if I like sommer bump the the USB modem and it gets disconnected and then is picked up again I have to restart network manager for me to be able to reconnect [09:55] okay [09:55] so whats the reason for that you know? why is it not doing it automatically? [09:56] it looked dns related, I didn't figure out why [09:56] yeah thats what... [09:56] eish now so many people assisted me I forget the person who suggested that [09:56] and I am afraid to give credit to the wrong person [09:57] it was me :p [09:58] we diagnosed it down to something wrt dns [09:58] was it, eish sorry mate, my apologies [09:58] I was curious if you got it completely working again after we left off [10:01] nope not yet I was busy searching the net then I realized I am lagging on my work so I get to that then I forget where I left off and well you know how it goes, it then becomes a cycle but luckily for me I have not had this connection disconnect for no reason as it was when I initially started using it and experienced the issues [10:02] yep, okay [10:02] Kilos, are you using one of those Giga packages from CellC? [10:03] yeah 1g [10:03] but will take a year to use at this speed [10:04] lol [10:04] have you checked there 100giga and 200giga packages [10:05] the 100giga was going for R999 once of and they give you all the data immediately to use anytime [10:05] but I think they now increased the prices... [10:05] greedy bas... [10:05] LOL [10:10] yep confirmed they up their prices [10:10] https://www.cellc.co.za/cellc/prepaid-contract-detail/Giga [10:10] greedy buggers [10:11] oh yes sorry we using the 100gig bundle [10:11] but yeah considering our other options that is not too bad of a deal [10:12] the deal is great if the towers in the area are capable [10:12] they roam with voda here i think and vodas towers suck [10:12] I have the 50GB Peak and 150GB Midnight data but that price seems to be the same as what I paid [10:13] I thought CellC was all over Gauteng? [10:13] we just south of rustenburg [10:14] ah ok [10:14] they just called and they sending a techie out in 2 to 7 working days [10:14] oh nice tell them you want LTE advanced [10:14] they better provide [10:14] then they can come test with their equipment and then fix the tower [10:15] no lte on farms i think [10:15] but ill try [10:15] im happy with hsdpa [10:16] i have a short script somewhere that make nm connect automagically [10:16] ill try find it for you [10:16] what release are you using [10:16] i havent needed it on 16.04 [10:16] eish yeah you telling me, when we were still living in the farm we were like a min drive to the area that picked up LTE but we had none [10:17] even 3G was like if the weather was good only [10:17] lol [10:17] lol [10:17] I am using 16.04 [10:17] then it should connect [10:17] i will look for the script [10:18] ok cool thanks Kilos [10:18] K_K_N: there was a 16.04.2 point upgrade [10:18] somewhere on a drive in desktop i think, if you lucky its on a stick [10:18] nsnzero, yep I have that version [10:18] I am always updating but after 00:00 using midnight data [10:18] hehe [10:19] same here - but anytime i get bored [10:23] i am 16.04.01 - now how do i upgrade to .2 ? [10:24] not sure I just continued updating and updating and now its on 16.04.2 [10:25] the normal update process will take you there [10:25] sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade [10:27] maybe coz i am on neon - all updates installed [10:28] #44~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 3 17:11:16 UTC 2017 [10:29] K_K_N here it is. im gonna try type it here correctly for you [10:31] better i put t on a stick and bring it here [10:34] sudo nano /etc/rc.local [10:35] Now add this line above exit 0 [10:35] (while :; do nmcli -t nm wwan on; sleep 1; done)& [10:35] Save the file and exit. [10:36] K_K_N try that [10:36] i have more in the file but i think its from and earlier script [10:37] i first got a full page script to do the job but later some guy gave this short one [10:39] * andrewlsd pops back in here [10:41] Kilos: check if you have a script to change konsole's profile when connected to another pc via ssh [10:41] * chesedo thinks that your script might be broken Kilos [10:42] why chesedo [10:42] iirc i had to reboot [10:42] on by 16.10 `nmcli -t nm wwan on` fails with 'no nm object' [10:43] maybe these must be added [10:43] it seems that it should be 'nmcli -t radio wwan on' [10:43] perhaps `wwan` is not the name of the connection [10:43] +1 chesedo [10:44] oh maybe it was ppp0e in there [10:45] also, running it every second (sleep 1) might be a bit of an overkill [10:45] lemme paste the whole story [10:46] * chesedo is off to lunch so will check later [10:46] https://bin.snyman.info/mmm5wnkt [10:47] i have used that whole page from when nm got sick and added the last bit at the top [10:51] that was in 12.04 or 14.04 [10:51] is that specifically for wireless lan ? [10:52] no i used it for a modem plugged into pc and maybe modified it when in aus to get wireless working [10:53] i dont remember everything ive had to do to stay connected [10:53] hehe [10:54] you clever guys have the basic command now just fix it to suit the connecting being used [10:54] maybe back then there was ppp0e in there [10:54] or whatever the modem is seen as [10:55] iwconfig or ifconfig will tell you [11:04] sorry stepped away from my desk [11:04] thanks Kilos [11:05] I added that line [11:05] now after reading the comments after should I be editing and which parts? [11:07] wow Kilos, just read yor script thats alot should I copy and paste everything? [11:08] no the stuff after the first few lines was for that whole original script [11:09] the top was the latest, but cant remember if it needed some of the further commands [11:09] lets hear what chesedo says [11:09] ok cool [11:09] will wait in anticipation [11:09] hehe [11:13] hehe [11:13] you need to point it to the modem [11:14] so run iwconf or inconfig [11:14] and then wait for chesedo [11:14] hehe [11:16] ok will do Kilos, Thanks Kilos, alwaysa very big help, much appreciated [11:16] hope it works for you [11:17] but strange you have that prob still. since i went 16.04 i havent needed it [11:18] oh and now im using eth cable so no modem hassles. now hassles are from router and cellc [11:19] yeah not sure why, initially I thought maybe I need the software for the modem but the .deb file on the actual modem seems to be only compatible with older versions of Ubuntu and does not work with 16.04 [11:20] nm should just see the modem and connect if you tick the connect automatically button [11:20] only modeswitch could be missing i think but in mine it worked i used the modem in hospital [11:21] but im on kde [11:22] ok I am on... [11:22] wait how do I check that I think its unity [11:22] where is your launcher [11:23] on the left side was unity [11:23] you are on what? [11:23] did the modem connect on its own [11:24] yeah on the left hand side [11:25] nope I connect on my own but ubuntu picks it up as a mobile broadband [11:25] have you set it up [11:25] but I disable automatically connect to this if its available [11:25] with the thing where you choose country etc [11:25] yeah I did [11:26] try deleting that one and setting it up again [11:27] if you disconnect the auto button how can it connect automatically [11:27] ok but I did that as well [11:27] ai! you spinning my head [11:27] the issue was Kilos, that when it disconnects for whatever reason and I reconnect I still have nothing even though the connection status says connected [11:28] previously I had to reboot to get connected again [11:28] but now I found that restarting network-manager does the trick [11:28] i have had that some time back , i pull the modem and plug it back again [11:28] yeah that also did not help me [11:28] isnt the modem timing out [11:29] then you install it on a win pc and go into settings and set for max like 9999 [11:29] or something like that [11:30] well it was not at first it just stop working yet the modem light was a constant blue as if it was still connected and the connection status says its tsill connected with IP address etc from ISP but I still could not access internet, email or even irc [11:30] had to reboot to get connected [11:30] ya same thing but that was on 14.04 [11:30] and older modem [11:31] I unplugged and replugged modem it said connected when I connected again but still nothing, deleted and recreated connection and still the same [11:31] ai! [11:31] rebooted was the only thing that helped but now I learnt after assistance from the peeps in here restarting network-manager helped [11:31] get used to restarting nm every now and again then [11:32] yeah I guess I have to [11:32] but I am fine with the it timing out but what I want to know is why do I have to restart network-manager [11:33] because it doesnt see the timeout [11:33] once the modem is picked up again I would like to just click connect and it must work [11:33] * andrewlsd has no idea what K_K_N and Kilos mean. isn't NM just wonderful [11:33] * andrewlsd ends sarcasm [11:33] lol [11:33] LOL @ andrewlsd [11:34] Hi all [11:34] hey theblazehen [11:34] nm been a weak link in ubuntu for some years now [11:34] more sarcasm: K_K_N there's nothing wrong with NM, it's your hardware! [11:34] hows it going [11:34] hi theblazehen [11:34] Hello theblazehen :-D [11:34] lol it could most probably be [11:34] * andrewlsd wonders whether theblazehen has had 8 hours (in total) sleep since Friday. [11:35] Good and you K_K_N ? [11:35] andrewlsd, my laptop is like 8 years old [11:35] andrewlsd Somewhere around there [11:35] not too bad hey [11:36] At least /me can get some sleep tonight. Done writing that thing up on vulnerability I found, just waiting for vendor to patch it, and CVE ID to be assigned [11:37] woot. [11:37] andrewlsd, my laptop is so old when I bought it it came with Windows Vista [11:37] LOL [11:38] I still have it install here dual booted ubuntu on it [11:38] K_K_N a decent enough thin client :p [11:38] only difference from when I bought is that I added and extra gig of ram so now it has 3GB of RAM [11:38] hehe [11:39] I get nervous when I have less than 4 GB free... :/ Maybe I'm a little spoilt [11:39] took the 1 GIG out of another laptop I stripped and decided not to put back together [11:40] I wish I had 4GB :( [11:41] but remember the days when 512kb ram was the bomb [11:41] LOL [11:41] hahaha [11:41] I wonder what it would be like to work on those machines again [11:42] painful [11:42] lol [11:42] K_K_N I wonder if I can play my "Don't Copy That Floppy " Floppy on those PCs... [11:43] or lets make it a 15 year old PC. When they stiffies were still around [11:43] i have an external stiffy drive [11:43] worked well last i used it [11:43] wow [11:43] lol - Kilos [11:44] they still exist Kilos [11:44] better on win though [11:44] unless you're using a Linux that fits on just one 1.44MB stiffy [11:44] yeah it looks quite modern in fancy black case like external 2.5 inch drives [11:44] I am sad that my parents gave all our old machines away it would have been good to reminiscence [11:45] i used it to copy stiffies to flash for my boet [11:45] sounds like an IBM x600 that I used to have. Had 128MB ram. ran Puppy or Elive beautifullly [11:46] and when I say all I mean 2 of then I still have on here that has a stiffy drive hey but if Kilos remembers thats the one I installed Lubuntu on which for some reason just froze randomly and you could not get it back [11:46] cheers all. going out for a bit [11:46] cheers andrewlsd [11:47] K_K_N: possible heating problem can coz a cpu to lockup [11:47] % expr $((2880*512)) - $(wc -c dctf.mkv | cut -d' ' -f1) [11:47] 49 [11:47] Video barely fits :p [11:48] yeah thats what we thought at that time also another suggestion was the power supply faulty cause I remeber when I took it apart found a Ghecko in there, dead [11:50] Could greatly improve the video quality if I could put it on an Amiga [11:50] 1440 KB vs 1760 KB [11:51] amiga's had dome cutting edge features [11:51] some [11:52] Yeah. Wish I was around when they were kind of a thing [11:59] my friend had a computer that we had to plug into the tv and type out the code for the game you wanted to play [12:00] it had a bubble memory type disk system that didnt work [12:00] thats older thah floppy disks [12:08] oh wow, nsnzero, did it use cassette tapes? [12:12] * vulcan (johnroux) waves [12:12] hi vulcan [12:14] hi vulcan welcome to ubuntu-za [12:27] K_K_N: that was a commodore but i didnt have 1 [12:34] welcome vulcan [12:34] have a good afternoon veryone [12:34] home time [12:41] lol Kilos that script of yours still uses init... ubuntu has moved on to systemd... [12:42] hi theblazehen [12:42] hi and welcome vulcan [12:42] hey chesedo [12:42] theblazehen: you still have enough energy for the mini meeting tonight? [12:43] chesedo: Yeah [12:43] ohh great theblazehen [12:44] ah well [12:49] K_K_N: next time it disconnects run the following in the terminal 'nmcli radio'... [12:49] K_K_N: if it says WWAN is disabled then Kilos' short solution might help - with modifications [12:52] oh hi propagandhi too [12:52] he doesnt talk [12:52] maybe shy or a bot [12:52] Kilos: he only needs to type :P [12:53] from the name (propaganda) i imagine a bot then [12:55] maybe it's a super subtle advertising campaign for the band [13:06] hey see its cloning :P [13:08] 41. class A ip4 is local iirc [13:15] https://linx.li/4mr9owg0.py I'm a horrible person [13:16] theblazehen: 'lazy' evaluations are great... [13:17] * chesedo forgot its technical term [13:33] haha [15:56] hi Adifex [15:57] welcome to ubuntu-za [16:50] hmm... [17:24] "[19:37:43] AGREED: mini meeting 15 March, not 14 march (paddatrapper)" Is it today or tomorrow? [17:25] chat later all [17:28] theblazehen: tomorrow (Wednesday) [17:35] ty paddatrapper [17:38] so what do we do with ubuntu here exactly? Give me some examples... It seems like this is not just a fan community for ubuntu [17:39] this is a help channel for all linux users [17:39] and a get together place for all discussion related to our friends [17:40] we discuss farming and health issues as well [17:40] just not religion or politics [17:40] okay great because I've had this massive boil... :P [17:41] poke a whole in t and squeeze [17:41] hehe [17:41] wait till it shows yellow. called being ripe [17:41] in the meantime put a plaster over it to help the pain a bit [17:42] and if you cut a tiny hole in the centre of the plaster it makes a head quicker [17:45] did you get all that jerit_ [17:46] lol I was joking about the boil :P [17:46] but yes now I know for if/when I get one so thanks :D [17:47] ubuntu has become quite easy to use and stable so not much help needed everyday like when i started [17:47] haha [17:47] not so much help needed unless you get scrubs like me who don't know how to make a proper symlink :P [17:48] i dont either [17:48] i am a greeter bot [17:48] the guys do everything for me [17:52] lol [17:52] my brother and I sat for like 3 hours working on that TS server on Sunday [17:52] turns out I'd downloaded the x86 version of the software, not the x64 version [17:52] thats how you learn [17:53] what os you used? [17:53] once I'd replaced the binary there were still a few things to sort out but it works and its beautiful and I don't know what I'm gonna do with it because I can't get anyone to join it [17:53] oh that chat thing [17:53] we chat here and telegram and other im things [17:54] and on oidgin [17:54] pidgin [17:56] we even have a channel for afrikaans guys but doesnt get used much [17:56] #ubuntu-afr [17:57] and i have 12 ubuntu channels open so where is there time or energy for another chat tool [17:58] morning superfly or near lunch i think [17:58] ohi thatgraemeguy you here at night too [17:58] hi Kilos, almost 11am [17:58] hello hello [17:59] ohi thatgraemeguy [18:03] Congrats on the new wheels :-) [18:27] * chesedo just realised mini meetings is on wednesdays - which he forgot... [18:33] hi williamk [18:34] williamk: guess what... i got the dates mixed up... mini meeting is tomorrow [18:34] i have made progress on booktype though [18:35] Hi Chesedo, will see abiut tomorrow [18:35] ... but my setup is not serving css and js files correctly so have to do some investigation [18:37] Did you look here https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-publish-books-with-booktype-on-debian-8 [18:37] and then pubsweet i still need to figure out how to install it... [18:37] evening all [18:37] Hi nsnzero [18:38] hi williamk chesedo [18:38] https://gitlab.coko.foundation/pubsweet/pubsweet [18:39]