[00:00] LFP6, enable ip forwarding, then iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 1.2.3.4 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 1.2.3.5:8081 [00:00] That looks about right - thanks [00:00] hggdh: the random stuff in VERIFY REGISTER is a one-use token, not password :) [00:01] (thankfully, considering how often that happens) [00:01] dax: oh, OK [00:01] Is it possible to do some kind of a file or redirect so that when ssh'ing into a box twice, referencing the same path from the command line will result in two different files? example: I have file /home/me/a.txt that says "you win!" if I cat it from one ssh session, but the same path says "you lose :(" if I cat from a second session. The path would just be [00:01] an alias to a different file elsewhere on the filesystem, and which one it points to is dependant on the session. Possible in linux/ubunut? [00:02] thanks pw changed [00:05] Hey guys. I have an issue where one of my ssh sessions is colorized for a user and the other one is not [00:05] Ubuntu 16.04 [00:05] anyone know the status of this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaboot/+bug/1606089 [00:05] Launchpad bug 1606089 in yaboot (Ubuntu) "unable to boot after 'entire disk' install (16.10, ppc)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:06] elricsfate: same server and same user? [00:06] it's suppose to have grub2 but only installs yaboot that is not booting on my host [00:06] k1l_: Same server, different user [00:06] pavlos: Oddly enough, I bind to 1.2.3.4.5:8081 and still don't see it when I go to 1.2.3.4:80 [00:07] elricsfate: you can activate shell coloring in the .bashrc in the users home [00:07] It must have to be something with DigitalOcean's floating IPs [00:07] k1l_: sudo diff .bashrc ~elricsfate/.bashrc [00:07] Comparing the bashrc of the user with coloring and without coloring shows that there are no differences [00:08] One thing worth noting is that the coloring does work for the user elricsfate when in a screen session [00:08] elricsfate: there is force_color_prompt=yes look into the files if its commented or not [00:10] That got it. Thanks k1l_. Strange that is worked for one user and not the other though? Any idea what might cause that? [00:10] They both appear to have the same $TERM as well [00:12] elricsfate: this is going to sound dumb, but has the user logged out and in on the non-color term? [00:12] or sourced the profile [00:12] damccull: To clarify, it is now working after changing the file and then sourcing it [00:13] typo? [00:13] My question is why the .bashrc was the exact same for both yet one was working and one was not [00:13] damccull: I actually diffed the file between the users, they were both the exact same and had the exact same term value. [00:13] only thing I know of that affects that is active environment variables and TERM. [00:14] anyone know the status of this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaboot/+bug/1606089 ?? [00:14] elricsfate: maybe its set in another env config? or you exported force_color_prompt=yes manually? [00:14] so maybe someone just changed their file without sourcing or relogging? [00:14] Launchpad bug 1606089 in yaboot (Ubuntu) "unable to boot after 'entire disk' install (16.10, ppc)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:14] it's suppose to have grub2 but only installs yaboot that is not booting on my host ?? [00:14] 17.04 was suppose to have grub2 [00:14] ;( [00:14] donofrio: we saw your question earlier...no sense spamming it. probably noone knows about it [00:15] donofrio, #ubuntu+1 is the place for that [00:15] donofrio: for 17.04 ask in #ubuntu+1 or better file a bug directly [00:15] Nope, I just checked. Only place it exists in the working users directory is .bashrc [00:15] and it's commented in the one that was working previously [00:16] elricsfate: what about the shared profile? [00:16] damccull: Sorry, what's the location of that? [00:16] i believe ubuntu .profile refs a shared version in etc right? [00:16] diff .profile ~elricsfate/.profile [00:16] No differences [00:17] hang on while i boot a vm and find that file if it still exits [00:17] exists [00:18] elricsfate: look in /etc/profile and /etc/bash_profile as wel [00:19] but those get read BEFORE the user specific ones [00:19] so unless you're not overwriting something in those, no dice. [00:19] The difference is that there is no difference in between those files on each users [00:19] *user [00:19] It's working now, just strange that iwasn't before without changing that var. [00:20] hmm. only thing I can think of is that the file wasn't saved, or had a typo, or wasn't sourced [00:27] bazhang, k1l_ Thank you... === KindOne- is now known as KindOne [00:45] hi [00:46] hi everyone [00:47] have a question about bash... [00:47] bertman: might be better served in #bash then [00:47] well seems ubuntu specific [00:47] then ask away [00:47] check #bash as well bertman [00:47] i migrated from slackware and the autocompletion acts different [00:48] e.g. echo some text>>existing file ... autocomplete doesn't work on existing file [00:48] it does work, just not after >> [00:49] i have searched for answers online [00:50] bertman: did you uncomment the autocompletion part in .bashrc ? [00:50] all my configs seem to be okay [00:50] weird. Works for me. [00:50] works fine here as well [00:50] they were uncommented by default [00:52] and you are using bash and not zsh or such? [00:52] i have 2 installs: Trusty and Yakkety... both act the same [00:53] yes [00:53] yet i can do such commands in slack and they work fine [00:53] works for me, too. [00:54] that is so strange... [00:54] what gives you "echo $SHELL"? [00:54] /bin/bash [00:54] bertman: just to verify your workflow (sorry, this is going to sound stupid and basic but i have to ask) you are typing "echo blah >> " and then pressing TAB, right? [00:55] that is so strange...es [00:55] yes [00:55] bertman: apt policy bash-completion [00:55] and you're expecting that to autocomplete to the name of a file that exists in your current directory [00:55] that tells its installed, right? [00:55] yes that is my expectation [00:56] yeah, do you have read permissions in that working directory? :) [00:56] yes i have perms [00:57] it's in my home directory [00:57] k1l: yes it is installed [00:57] i just tested on a 16.04 and 17.04. local and remote. [00:58] autocompletion works.. just not after >> [00:59] what terminal is it? [00:59] echo foo>>bar and bar will not autocomplete as an existing file in directory [01:00] but bar does exist? can you test with ".bash"? [01:00] ahhhhh [01:00] i have tried direct terminal, konsole, and several others [01:00] that i can reproduce [01:00] bar does exist [01:00] echo foo >>bar does work [01:00] note the extra space [01:00] Hi -- I can't find any recent advice on using a Kindle Paperwhite with Ubuntu. It seemed like it used to be as simple as plug in Kindle, load books... but there appears to be no device mounted when I plug it in my Kindle. Help? :) [01:00] bertman: do a space before the >> [01:00] ahhh the space! [01:01] doesn't have to be there in slackware... strange [01:01] thanks!!! === lebeev_ is now known as ryanlol === ubuntu is now known as Guest516 [01:36] hey? [01:36] hello? [01:37] help me with playonlinelinux to have 5 imvu clients running [01:38] I have a monitor with its EDID not getting detected correctly, it works but not at the highest res, only up to 1024x768, i was reading this guide (https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/plain/Documentation/EDID/HOWTO.txt) about creating a EDID for my monitor, is that worth doing or should I try making an xorg.conf instead? I'm using ubuntu-mate 16.04 and nouveau [01:39] im running ubuntu 16.04 and having errors with getting my vm's working [01:40] hey Oeheks? [01:42] help me with playonlinelinux to have 5 imvu clients running [01:46] help me with playonlinelinux to have 5 imvu clients running [01:46] anyone? [01:46] !patience | Eric_____ [01:46] Eric_____: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [01:47] ubottu u had 5 imvu clients before? [01:47] Eric_____: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [01:53] noobineer: in terminal> sudo apt install inxi pastebinit [01:54] noobineer: when its done..say so === nilaerv is now known as [unbannable]ryan [02:00] OK, no idea what's up here. It would appear that color only works in my terminal if I source .bashrc but this is only the case for one user [02:00] Anyone know what might cause that? [02:01] anyne have playonlinux? [02:02] elricsfate, do you mean ls --color=auto [02:02] No, I mean a colored prompt [02:03] Hello, all. My wired network keeps disconnecting from times to times and I have to restart the nm service for it to come back [02:03] Any reason why this is happening? My ethernet card is an nForce [02:04] elricsfate: is your .bashrc sourced in that user's .profile? [02:04] pavlos: I.E The green bash user@host [02:05] elricsfate, there is a #force_color_prompt=yes in .bashrc if you uncomment, I guess you get color prompt [02:05] The profile of the user that works and that doesn't work is the exact same [02:05] pavlos: yes, that has already been done [02:05] r_rios: A thought: have you set msi=0 msix=0 ? [02:06] and it does not work for the user that is having issues, only if the file is sourced manually [02:06] Eric_____: playonlinux most likely has their own irc chat room/channel [02:06] Bashing-om: I had to, otherwise the network wouldn' t work at all [02:06] This is why it's confusing. The files between the working user and the non-working user are the same. The non-working user even has that setting uncommented but will only work when .bashrc is sourced manually. [02:06] tatertots how i have 5 imvu clients running? [02:06] elricsfate: is the non-working user's defult shell bash? (as opposed to something else) [02:07] Now it works, but it disconnects spontaneously from times to times [02:07] r_rios: K; My result also . Sorry then - no other thought . [02:08] The term and shell are the same for both users [02:08] Bashing-om: No problem, thanks for the help :) [02:08] putty-256color and /bin/bash [02:09] r_rios: :(, no help as much as I might have hoped . [02:10] elricsfate, so I uncommented that line, the next term I popped shows user@host as green but you say your user does not experience that [02:10] elricsfate: well, if it works once you source .bashrc manually then that strongly suggests that it isn't being sourced on its own. [02:11] Bashing-om: At least you tried [02:11] This is right here in my profile https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/oYWHvfp6fGPkNwrkrGjd315M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= [02:11] I have a .bash_profile Will that override? [02:12] That seems to be the difference betweent eh two, bet that's it. [02:12] unsure. rename it for a min to test [02:13] elricsfate, I have .profile with the same contents you pasted. I have a .bashrc but not a .bash_profile [02:13] Got it, it was the .bash_profile [02:14] Added the source for .bashrc into the .bash_profile and she is working like a charm. Thanks for the help guys. Good call on that wedgie [02:23] is devel repo rolling or subject to freezes? [02:32] starks: Subject to freezes. [02:32] thx [02:33] starks: You're welcome. === bella is now known as Guest90112 [02:42] anyone have playonlinux on ubunt? [02:49] Hi. I'm wondering, what is the little app(let) that appears when a program crashes? [02:49] I think it's Ubuntu-specific, but I could be wrong. [02:50] hello every1, I've got in trouble with installing the lubuntu desktop qt version in this ubuntu 16.10 [02:52] tubal: Apport. Which appears to be an Ubuntu project that aims to be usable by other distributions. I don't know if any other distros use it though. [02:53] Errors were encountered while processing: [02:53] /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-workspace_4%3a5.7.5-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [02:53] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [02:53] Jordan_U: Ah. Yeah, that looks like the one. Thanks/ [02:53] tubal: You're welcome. [02:55] anyone any idea? [02:57] !info plasma-workspace xenial [02:57] plasma-workspace (source: plasma-workspace): Plasma Workspace for KF5. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.5.5.2-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 7154 kB, installed size 33045 kB [03:17] hello [03:17] Hi [03:19] morn! === Mantra is now known as pitthacker2 [03:20] lol [03:21] nice nick mantra [03:21] you a hacker? [03:21] pitthacker: i am working on it.. my hacker idol is in this room === pitthacker2 is now known as Mantra [03:49] I'm trying to use the network manager applet in System Settings to adjust my DNS for ipv6, but it won't let me enter a period in the box [03:49] that's...new [03:50] oh. nvm. i'm dumb. [04:15] having an issue with one of my linux boxes, its got a Radeon HD6850 and I don't have an option for AMDGPU driver but I install xserver.xorg.video.amdgpu and created a xorg.conf with options and such but I only have opengl 3.3 instead of 4.1 so one of my games won't launch any ideas, do I need the amdgpu-pro package instead and i'm using xubuntu 16.04 on that system btw [04:19] hey help me with wine program loader? [04:21] "I've been aware of the Jew deception against humanity for several years now and although it seems hopeless at times, I've seen a huge awakening recently that gives me hope." || "You really say the words Alfred. This is your best, most daring video yet! You name the Jew and explain how they make the good guy the bad guy, and the bad guy the good guy. How they planed to exterminate the Germans, etc. I'm Tweeting this out. Well done!" [04:21] !ops | krazzgal [04:21] krazzgal: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, PriceChild, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, genii, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, k1l, rww, phunyguy, bazhang, chu [04:21] nicomachus: (elky and I are awake and hunting them) [04:21] (but thank you anyway) [04:21] happy hunting! [04:22] mostly just testing whether this works. Having some DNS issues here... [04:22] IRC works fine though. [04:33] dimas [04:34] hay [04:34] wtf [04:34] hemm [04:34] hayy [04:34] w0y? [04:35] hayy [04:35] Loyality to jewishness is loyality to oppression and world domination. The only way to end jewish supremecy and oppression is for jewish women to race mix with black men. This is the only answer. israel also must transform and learn to become multicultural by race mixing with blacks and palastainans. [04:35] ubuntu? [04:36] backbox === gamespttr_ is now known as gamespttr [04:37] help me? [04:37] With what [04:38] i need to run 5 imvu clients on playonlinux [04:38] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8FNh8BJPZw [04:38] Nope, can't help you there. [04:38] Am noob. [04:38] Lol [04:38] Does anyone here use Weechat? [04:38] -_- ill ask other someone [04:40] ada orang indo [04:47] 1 [04:50] hi there, has anobody done Android VM on Ubuntu? [04:50] with google play working? [04:51] no shortage of vidos, xz. see the ytubez [04:51] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8FNh8BJPZw i need help with it [04:52] cfhowlett: have you done that? [04:52] xz, once. [04:52] cfhowlett: I'm just looking for couple of questiuons answered [04:52] cfhowlett: was google play working for you fully? [04:52] yep, but as I said: once. a long time ago [04:52] cfhowlett: in other words, can I download just any app that's normally available on mobile device? [04:53] so far as I know, yes [04:54] cfhowlett: awesome, how did you get that VM? did you use some virtualbox + an image like androVM, or some dedicated emulator? [04:54] I remember using vbox and the standard, at that time, image [04:54] where virtualbox? [04:54] cfhowlett: ok, it might have been then vbox + androvm [04:55] http://www.osboxes.org/android-x86/ xz [04:55] !vbox | Eric_____ [04:55] Eric_____: Virtualbox is a virtualizer for x86 and amd64 architectures. It's available in the package "virtualbox" in the !repositories, and you can download the Virtualbox Extension Pack for additional, non-Free functionality at http://virtualbox.org . Additional details can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox [04:56] i click virtualbox 5.1? [04:58] aloha [04:58] mahalo, marty__ [04:59] cfhowlett: I just found out 'bluesstacks' for windows, looks like pretty cool thing [04:59] cfhowlett: will look around more, maybe there is such out-of-the-box solution for UBUNTU as well [04:59] wow this is sorta active, [05:00] xz, perhaps : http://emulatorforpc.com/best-android-emulator-ubuntu/ [05:00] ubuntu which one i ckick? [05:00] VirtualBox 5.1.16 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack All supported platforms Support for USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 devices, VirtualBox RDP, disk encryption, NVMe and PXE boot for Intel cards. See this chapter from the User Manual for an introduction to this Extension Pack. The Extension Pack binaries are released under the VirtualBox Personal Use and Evaluation License (PUEL). Please install the extension pack with the sa [05:01] xz, imho: the android SDK is preferred. YMMV [05:02] cfhowlett: I just want to make sure google play works, so if SDK works fine with google play, I cna try that [05:03] im using ubuntu 16.04, i have run a couple of basic of iso's through my vmware, its all ubuntu so when the vm asks for permission install for grub im confused [05:03] marty__, say "yes" [05:03] "yes" [05:04] ....... give the installer permission to install [05:04] lol thanks. it wont error my current iso? [05:05] marty__, it's a virtual machine. how, exactly, do you see this effecting the host? [05:05] ybottu? which i click? [05:05] VirtualBox 5.1.16 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack All supported platforms Support for USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 devices, VirtualBox RDP, disk encryption, NVMe and PXE boot for Intel cards. See this chapter from the User Manual for an introduction to this Extension Pack. The Extension Pack binaries are released under the VirtualBox Personal Use and Evaluation License (PUEL). Please install the extension pack with the sa [05:06] Eric_____: please stop that [05:06] im still new to alot of this, and i am a double checker, i apologize if this seems tedious but thank you [05:06] your right [05:06] ok [05:06] marty__, no worries [05:06] u said add extension pack [05:07] Eric_____, 1. install virtualbox. 2. install extension pack. 3. done [05:12] it said Could not open "Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.1.16-113841-1.vbox-extpack" [05:12] install virtualbox first! [05:12] dumb question but how do i do when an application freezez and become a zombie... [05:13] Olanzapin, my method: ps -x, find the zombie, then kill -9 PID [05:13] Olanzapin: Ctrl+Alt+T to open a terminal, `sudo pkill application_name` for me. [05:14] Ok thank you... :)' [05:27] hey howelet youtube will help me with install virtualbox [05:30] hey howelet? [05:31] do i click windows hosts? [05:31] do i click os x hosts? [05:32] do i click Linux distributions? [05:33] I accidentally messed up my /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf file [05:33] how can I restore it? [05:34] ferret_tails, you did back it up, right? [05:34] ferret_tails, Revert the backup you made [05:34] thats why you should backup first original [05:34] cfhowlett: I did, but it's a modified version [05:34] isn't there any way to get it back with apt? [05:35] ferret_tails, ? the .cnf file = configuration. it's established on first run, IIRC [05:35] oh... let me try that then [05:35] ferret_tails, move your file and reinstall the package [05:35] ferret_tails, rename the current file to foo.OLD and reinstall [05:36] I did 'apt-get install --reinstall openssl' and it didn't restore the .cnf file [05:36] ferret_tails, Was your file moved [05:36] Or was it present [05:36] it was moved [05:36] Purge, then install [05:37] woah... that's going to delete a /lot/ of deps [05:37] actually... you know what I could do? I could download the file from my other computer :1 [05:37] why didn't I think of that earlier [05:39] oh... dpkg option --force-confmiss [05:39] oh! there we go [05:39] that did it [05:40] whew... that fixed it [05:40] thanks everyone [05:41] howelet? [05:43] i opened an terminal on ubuntu then typed "sudo apt-get install virtualbox" [05:44] thats easy to do on terminal [05:44] Any reason ubuntu 16.04 keep marking a packege for autoremoval ? [05:45] askb, it could be because. Of libraries, and such... but Don't worry. [05:50] Aaron, facter is being marked for auto removal after puppet4 is installed, [05:51] doing this impacting our scripting, since we facter a lot to check the version of ubuntu [05:52] askb, then hit Cancel. or update your scripting libraries. either one ;) [05:52] Is there a way such facter is not marked for autoremoval when puppet is installed [05:52] askb, use aptitude ;) [05:52] man aptitude [06:08] hello, I have a HDD with 3 partitions and in two of those partitions (as they were used formerly from other computers), I have not full access in all archives. I mean, there is a lock in some of the archives. How can I safely change the permissions so I can read those folders? [06:09] https://ibin.co/3FVFdWU0yYKe.png [06:12] Jakeukalane, What filesystem are those? [06:12] ext4 [06:12] mmmm [06:12] no [06:14] PipeItToDevNull, yes, it was ext4 [06:14] Just chown the directories [06:14] sudo chown -R user ? [06:14] How did you mount that? [06:15] automatically, is not the partition that I do not own, only few archives [06:15] Who owns them? [06:15] ls -al [06:17] there are three colums, the firs one is one with the permission and the other two seems like owners? [06:18] owner user and group [06:19] the problem seems to be in the permissions as there are some with drwx----- and -rw-r--r-- but others with drwxrwxr-x. that is my question, what is better change the permissions to less restrictive or change the owner? [06:20] Who is the owner [06:21] not me. the computer when they were created is broken now so I think is safe to change the user [06:22] Yep [06:22] nice, that is solved. what permissions are better? for normal use [06:23] If it came from another install just chown the whole thing to your user [06:23] great [06:24] The permissions should be fine [06:24] solved, thank you very much [06:24] Yep [06:48] good morning to all [06:49] lol someone is trying to identify my nick ;) [06:49] !ghost | Aaron [06:49] Aaron: If you own an IRC nick that is currently being used, you can make it change nicks by typing: /msg nickserv release | If you have a dead (ghost) connection, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv ghost | further help in #freenode [06:51] lotuspsychje, thank you but. no thanks. ;) [06:53] hello. I have disk partitions. And They are not mounted . If I use mount command. I can access to disks. But whenevert server reboot should I run mount command again? If Its yes, how can I solve this one. [06:53] as I search it says write to fstab. [06:55] temhaa: this partition is ntfs perhaps? [07:05] Hello. I want to find a file containing string1 and string2. Can grep natively do that or do I have to write something around it? [07:09] vlt: not sure if this works, grep -e string1 -e string2 [07:09] vlt: or this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grep [07:10] Thanks! [07:10] vlt: nvm, it just looks for string1 or string2, not both [07:24] In ubuntu how can I print the output of the file to stdout using cat as well as pipe the output to a diffenret command and get that commands output as well on a single line? [07:24] popey, are you available? You approved my wiki editor application, but I still can't edit the London, Ontario page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/London [07:25] I am trying cat tt.txt | xargs -I {} aws s3 cp s3://temp/{} -. If tt.txt has 1 and 1 ahs contents "abc" I want it to print out as "1 abc" [07:26] roko: 'tee'? [07:27] hello, is Ubuntu 16.04 that is LTS more stable than 16.10? [07:27] ducasse: I tried tee as "cat tt.txt | tee tmp.txt | xargs -I {} aws s3 cp s3://samidh1/{} -" [07:27] wc [07:27] off late I facing some problem wiht 16.10 [07:27] ducasse: doesn't work though [07:27] random freezing [07:28] thinking of removing 16.10 entirely and installing LTS. [07:29] I hope Ubuntu addresses this problem asap. [07:31] roko: try in #bash [07:32] CrazyTux, buy better hardware [07:32] I have a brand new laptop that I bought this month. [07:34] CrazyTux: you already asked this question 20 times here [07:35] one more question. If there are two linux distros installed on a single laptop do both of them need to have separate swap partitions for them. Could this be the reason for random freezing. One of the distros not being created with a separated swap partition at the time of installation? [07:36] yes. I haven't got a satisfactory solution. [07:36] CrazyTux: no, and no. [07:36] I like to use Ubuntu Mate 16.10 but not able to. [07:36] CrazyTux: thats not true, you have been suggested many things to try, hence you refuse to take action [07:36] oh , this is a new one .. such details should be included a long time ago [07:37] lotuspsychje, please. I have followed every suggestion given here. [07:37] CrazyTux: if you would have followed suggestions, you would have tested 16.04.2 already [07:38] I need 16.10. [07:38] CrazyTux: why? [07:38] CrazyTux: why dont you just try it out, instead of keep comming back here trolling the same questions over and over? [07:38] I have used 16.04 before. [07:38] No. I am not trolling. [07:39] CrazyTux: so why do you ask if 16.04 is more stable then 16.10? [07:40] I am a newbie and don't have much knowledge about all these distro. I was just curious. Just want that problem solved. [07:40] maybe 14.04.5 is more stable [07:42] CrazyTux: what happened when you tried 16.04? [07:42] CrazyTux: and was it 16.04 or 16.04.2? [07:43] Actually, I have never used Ubuntu. I have used Lubuntu LTS and that was on my old laptop. [07:43] CrazyTux: then why are you here? [07:43] On my new laptop I have Xubuntu 16.10 and Mint Serena installed. [07:43] and this Xubuntu 16.10 is giving these headaches. [07:44] CrazyTux: so you haven't tried xenial. i suggest you do so. [07:45] Ok. If that solves the problem, let me see. [07:45] thanks. Will install that and check. [07:46] ffs trying to type commands in to a remote desktop session on windos to a backend linux service with a phone is a roayal pain, with a cellphone. autocorrect sudo to dude adding capitals and space where there should be none.... [07:46] CrazyTux: i think it is something you definitely need to check. make sure to install 16.04 and not 16.04.2, then try installing the hwe stack later if necessary. [07:47] why not 16.04.2 directly? [07:47] and I don't need Ubuntu. I need Ubuntu Mate. [07:47] CrazyTux: because .02 has the kernel and x.org stack from 16.10. [07:48] CrazyTux: if you need mate, why are you on xubuntu now? [07:48] that seems to be complicated for a beginner like me. [07:48] I have installed Mate and Lubuntu DEs on it. [07:48] I worked on Mate for a while and seem to like that. [07:49] CrazyTux: when i say 'ubuntu', read '*ubuntu'. install any flavor you want. [07:49]