[00:44] <Bashing-om> nacc: Are you free to look at what I see as a packaging error - in main channel ?
[00:55] <nacc> Bashing-om: about to step away for the night, sorry
[00:55] <nacc> Bashing-om: i can try and help tmrw
[00:56] <nacc> Bashing-om: openjdk-9 probably shouldn't be used by anyoneyet (iirc, it's still beta)
[00:56] <nacc> but i can look at it in more depth first thing tmrw
[00:56] <nacc> i'm technically a java (well, tomcat*) maintainer for us :)
[00:59] <Bashing-om> nacc: K; I see you active in #ubuntu-release . Reason that you poped to mind in this regard, IRT: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24179605/ .
[01:10] <Bashing-om> nacc: Doh ! .. Turns out this is android-studio . Maybe let the android peeps address this ?
[05:09] <OerHeks> 12.04 goes EOL on 8th april https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2017-March/003777.html
[05:09] <OerHeks> yay, the 1st LTS
[05:09] <daftykins> :O
[05:10] <daftykins> an historic occasion
[05:10] <OerHeks> jups, steak & beer, 12.04 will be no longer here
[05:12] <daftykins> :D
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:49] <OerHeks> hey goodmorning lotus
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[05:50] <OerHeks> hmmm
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[05:50] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o .
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om :p
[05:51] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Let us have yet another Good day in the neighborhood :)
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[05:57] <daftykins> \o
[05:58]  * OerHeks installs 12.04 before dying
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> nostalgy?
[05:59] <daftykins> think i skipped 12.04 entirely back in the day
[05:59] <daftykins> went 10.04 -> 14.04 with my servers
[05:59] <OerHeks> yeah, 1st LTS, and will be EOL 8th april
[05:59] <OerHeks> 10.04 .. good old times .. when ubuntu-nl was an active community
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> !10.04
[06:00] <daftykins> :>
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> good ol lucid :p
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> 14.04 had the biggest impact for me
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> remember it was rocksolid when it came out
[06:02] <OerHeks> 8.04 was my full linux experience, no more windows
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> i dont remember wich one i started
[06:02] <OerHeks> Thanks to zmvj, zuurkool met vette jus
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:03] <OerHeks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBffOZNX8Fw
[06:03] <OerHeks> :-D
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> loll
[06:20]  * daftykins wonders what is happening
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: you gotta understand dutch to get this
[06:22] <daftykins> yeah :(
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: zuurkool is like nasty vegetable they serve in austria with sausages
[06:23] <daftykins> ah har
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: vette jus is fat sauce lol
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: https://www.ah.nl.kpnis.nl/static/recepten/img_014345_445x297_JPG.jpg
[06:25] <daftykins> strange o0
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> the YT is like a singing parody to this
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> but how thats related to 8.04, introduced to OerHeks beats me completely lol
[06:25] <daftykins> :>
[06:26] <daftykins> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ let's all install 4.10!
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> !9.04
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> !7.04
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> !6.04
[06:27] <daftykins> rate limited? :)
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> !4.10
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> i remember installing warty
[06:28] <daftykins> don't think i even knew about it at that point
[06:29] <Bashing-om> !6.06
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> ahar
[06:29] <daftykins> Drabber Drake
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> !codenames
[06:30] <Bashing-om> ^^ The only late release ( I have a disk ) .
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> hoary, breezy,edgy
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> feisty,gutsy,intrepid
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> omg..
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> 18.04 will be a B
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> Potentially 18.04: Ballsy Baboon Or... Busy Beaver (A Busy Beaver means a Turing machine that attains the maximum "operational busyness").
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> 19.04 dreamy ducasse
[06:40] <OerHeks> no, 18.04 is HBD
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> hbd?
[06:42] <Bashing-om> Here Be Dragons ??
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:46] <OerHeks> uhhh TBD
[06:46] <OerHeks> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/shuttleworth_unity_8_carrots/
[06:46] <OerHeks> searching for HBD + ubuntu gave zipp :-D
[06:47] <OerHeks> http://www.zdnet.com/article/canonical-extends-ubuntu-12-04-support-for-paying-customers/
[06:49] <daftykins> that's a lot of dinero
[06:51] <OerHeks> who would do that ..
[06:51] <daftykins> those caught beneath managers perhaps :D
[06:52]  * OerHeks looks in #u .. that Kiiki again .. 
[06:52] <daftykins> bad customer?
[06:53] <OerHeks> first trolling, then accusing me of lying about my hardware.
[06:53] <daftykins> o0
[06:54] <OerHeks> i have the same ati 5450 running fine, 2 monitors, i can even run 2 video's
[06:55] <daftykins> must be someone with remnant fglrx or different versions of something
[06:56] <OerHeks> well, the stupid questions yesterday, not leaving the channel, and claims he installed 16.04.2 now
[06:56] <OerHeks> so /ignore
[06:56] <daftykins> *nod*
[07:11] <Bashing-om> Outa here - More much later .
[07:23] <EriC^^> morning
[07:23] <OerHeks> hey EriC^^
[07:24] <EriC^^> hey OerHeks
[07:25] <OerHeks> Just voted for our gouvernment-poosers
[07:26] <OerHeks> now we have to wait 'till tuesday for the results... like it was 1888
[07:28] <EriC^^> :D
[07:28] <EriC^^> what does poosers mean?
[07:33] <OerHeks> They say a, and do b, and make up reason c
[07:34] <OerHeks> just normal politics
[07:34] <EriC^^> ah :D
[08:34] <ducasse> good morning all!
[08:36] <EriC^^> morning ducasse
[08:37] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, what's up? :)
[08:37] <EriC^^> not much, raining heavily here
[08:37] <EriC^^> what about you?
[08:37] <daftykins> \o
[08:38] <daftykins> OerHeks: was it paper based?
[08:38] <ducasse> now i have tea, so all is good. morning, daftykins.
[08:38] <daftykins> :D i have coffee and a southern fried chicken wrap
[08:39] <daftykins> weirdest bulb i ever bought https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2t6hnd1nhipkxl/IMG_20170315_082156.jpg?dl=0
[08:42] <ducasse> daftykins: from a distance it looks like there are three tiny candles inside it :)
[08:42] <daftykins> hehe
[08:47] <daftykins> i cycled ever so gently with it!
[09:03] <ducasse> daftykins: considering this to replace my aging rpi2 - https://osmc.tv/vero/
[09:04] <ducasse> not that i need 4k or hdr _now_, but you never know :)
[09:05] <daftykins> uh oh the OSMC folks
[09:06] <daftykins> :>
[09:09] <ducasse> *shrug* haven't tested that in a couple of years or so.
[09:11] <daftykins> all the cool kids seem to be using LibreELEC these days, at least it worked well for my clients old atom+ion1 x86 HTPCs
[09:11] <daftykins> but yeah, not sure what i'd buy today - i'm using a first gen Amazon FireTV right now
[09:11] <ducasse> i'm no longer a cool kid ;)
[09:12] <ducasse> atm i'm running xbian, which i quite like.
[09:12] <daftykins> ah if you run anything debian based and want Kodi, then i have several sharp items i'd like to introduce you to...
[09:13] <ducasse> :)
[09:13] <ducasse> the weird thing is that it's been working like an absolute charm, compared to everything else i've tried.
[09:14] <daftykins> we just get too many folks coming in that don't know how much the debian folk bastardise Kodi due to their crazy beliefs
[09:15] <ducasse> oh, this doesn't run debian kodi, but xbian kodi. big diff.
[09:16] <ducasse> they add a repo, replace a few packages and add some. their own kernel, libcec etc.
[09:17] <daftykins> they actually up to date with current releases then?
[09:19] <ducasse> i'm on 17 something now.
[09:19] <daftykins> ja
[09:19] <daftykins> personally CEC annoys me more than it could ever be of any use :)
[09:20] <daftykins> had to disable it on my clients 4K bluray player 'cause it kept interrupting what they were watching with another source, by making the receiver change to it
[09:20] <OerHeks> daftykins, yes paperbased, as voting machines can be hacked by powerled
[09:20] <OerHeks> :-D
[09:20] <daftykins> :D
[09:21] <ducasse> here it kept resetting the resolution and screen calibration, so i had to disable it as well.
[09:21] <daftykins> ah har
[09:22] <ducasse> really annoying, every time i switched to that output i had to recalibrate the screen. veeery funny.
[09:24] <daftykins> sounds like some kinda desktop Linux!
[09:24]  * daftykins ducks
[09:25] <ducasse> it is, after a bit of fiddling it's much better than any of the alternatives ;)
[09:27] <OerHeks> i think you need a bigger monitor, ducasse, at least 29"
[09:28] <ducasse> no room for more, i've got 3x24"
[09:29] <ducasse> might swap one of them for a 27", but not 29"
[09:29] <OerHeks> oh oke
[09:29] <OerHeks> i got this 29" inch for free, was happy the 1st hour .. now i understad
[09:29] <OerHeks> c/understand
[09:30] <ducasse> they're too big imo
[09:30] <OerHeks> if it had hdmi, i would make it a tv, just connect it to the cable-box
[09:31] <ducasse> right, it would be an excellent bedroom tv for example. what kind of inputs does it have?
[09:31] <OerHeks> dvi & vga :-(
[09:32] <ducasse> you can get dvi -> hdmi cables, i've got one
[09:32] <OerHeks> i know, but the cable-box does not like that stuff
[09:33] <ducasse> ah.
[09:33] <OerHeks> hey BluesKaj
[09:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[09:33] <ducasse> \o
[09:33] <BluesKaj> Hi OerHeks , ducasse
[09:34] <BluesKaj> I'm up early...again
[09:35] <OerHeks> Just in time, it is your turn, next support Q is yours :-D
[09:39] <BluesKaj> heh. I need more coffee in that case
[09:39] <ducasse> BluesKaj: what do you think of this? thinking of getting one. https://osmc.tv/vero/
[09:49] <BluesKaj> seems impressive, has a kodi OSMC based on debian so it looks like it has a lot of options
[09:49] <BluesKaj> more upscale approach than those chinese kodi boxes
[09:50] <ducasse> yeah, i don't want one of them, try to avoid cheap chinese stuff as most of it's crap.
[09:51] <ducasse> it looks to do what i'm likely to need for at least a few years.
[09:52] <BluesKaj> yeah exactly , a rpi3 with raspbian-pixel and kodi would be much better
[09:53] <BluesKaj> than the junky chinese black boxes
[09:54] <ducasse> agreed, but afaik it does not do hevc, which i want support for.
[10:06] <BluesKaj> ok, 4k compression codec (had to do some reading), that's important alright, and the vero delivers according to the website. then it's your best choice, unless there are others that do the same for less money
[10:09] <BluesKaj> guess $150 isn't too much for a quality device
[10:12] <ducasse> say it last three years, i can live with that. i can probably use it for longer as well.
[10:18] <EriC^^> hey Wire
[10:18] <EriC^^> Wirehunter
[10:22] <Wirehunter> EriC^^, hey
[10:23] <ducasse> \o
[10:23] <Wirehunter> Good morning everyone :)
[10:25] <BluesKaj> 'Morning EriC^^, Wirehunter
[10:26] <daftykins> Wirehunter: oh i saw you mention bumblebee btw, for a number of years now that's covered by nvidia-prime - depending on whether your machine is a mux or muxless setup
[10:26] <EriC^^> morning BluesKaj daftykins
[10:27] <daftykins> heya :)
[10:27] <BluesKaj> Hi daftykins
[10:27] <daftykins> how is Eric land?
[10:27] <daftykins> BluesKaj: hey, catch any snow?
[10:27] <BluesKaj> daftykins, nope. it missed us
[10:27] <daftykins> ah that's lucky
[10:27] <ducasse> snow melting rapidly here \o/
[10:28] <BluesKaj> too far north here ..we're still basking in the cold and sunshine
[10:29] <BluesKaj> sun is melting the snow very slowly at -7C
[10:29] <BluesKaj> will be +4 by sat tho
[10:31] <ducasse> +10 here, probably
[10:32] <BluesKaj> we don't get the benefit of any warm ocean currents here, only the whims of the jet stream and whether it's north or south of us
[10:33] <Wirehunter> daftykins, Bumblebee has been rewritten, still a good choice I think.
[10:34] <daftykins> hrmm o rly, well it can't be easier than just installing the proprietary driver to get -prime :>
[10:34] <daftykins> gah another 3 months and i'll be useless at anything *buntu!
[10:34] <daftykins> too much change
[10:34] <Wirehunter> daftykins, As it allows for nvidia to be loaded on demand instead of having to reboot the system or log out and back in
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Wirehunter, yeah. I saw something about that , thinh we can reconsider recommending bumblebee for those unfortunate optimus users again
[10:34] <daftykins> ah well see that sounds like a muxless setup which is a lot rarer o0
[10:35] <daftykins> most folks have a muxing setup where the chips just both work at once then whichever is told to run runs, no reboots, no nothing
[10:36] <Wirehunter> That would be great, but if I switch to my gpu, I get asked to log-out
[10:36] <Wirehunter> And if I do, GDM crashes and I have to reboot
[10:37] <Wirehunter> Maybe that's just a config issue
[10:37] <EriC^^> daftykins: doing good
[10:37] <EriC^^> raining pretty heavily here though
[10:38] <Wirehunter> But with bumblebee you completely cut the gpu out, so less power usage
[10:38] <Wirehunter> I think even less than using nvidia-prime swiched to Intel
[10:38] <daftykins> that doesn't sound right at all
[10:38] <daftykins> but then optimus and Linux are just laughable
[10:39] <Wirehunter> Yes, that's true.
[10:42] <Wirehunter> And gaming performance still is quite bad. My laptop should easily be running cities: skylines on maxed out settings on Windows. But I have to reduce the resolution to make it even playable. :P
[10:42] <Wirehunter> Not that gaming is that important :)
[10:43] <Wirehunter> I'm already happy that everything seems to work with a plymouth or an xorg crash every now and then
[10:43] <daftykins> certainly doesn't go with laptops ;D
[10:45] <ducasse> or linux :)
[10:49] <Wirehunter> Yeah, maybe I'll populate the second M.2 slot and install Windows on that. I hope the firmware on my laptop is at good at selecting what efi bootloader to use as my desktop is.
[10:50] <Wirehunter> UEFI can make dualbooting so much easier
[10:50] <daftykins> :) or make it hell
[10:50] <daftykins> EriC^^ loves a good challenge though ;)
[10:51] <ducasse> uefi <3 :)
[10:52] <Wirehunter> On my desktop, in the boot options screen, multiple bootloaders show up, even if they are installed on the same disk. But since it seems so hard on other people's systems, maybe it's not always as easy as this.
[10:52] <BluesKaj> Wirehunter, you mean gpt don't you ?
[10:52] <daftykins> no you can get variations in the same family of branded laptop/desktop
[10:53] <daftykins> nah GPT is solely GUID Partition Table, it doesn't provide any of the benefits
[10:53] <daftykins> simply one item in the 'recipe' of EFI :)
[10:54] <Wirehunter> gpt is what you want to use using uefi, but the bootloaders are installed on a fat32 partition(in my case)
[10:54] <BluesKaj> seems to me that UEFI is a real stumbling block for most dusl booters, mainly a pita to setup
[10:54] <ducasse> Wirehunter: your machine should also have a boot manager in the firmware, where you can manage boot entries through efi firmware variables. you then hold a key to bring up the menu on boot and select the os/efi binary you want
[10:55] <BluesKaj> dusl=dual
[10:55] <Wirehunter> Ah, I've to back my stuff as I arrived on trainstation again :P
[11:07] <EriC^^> !ping
[11:13] <EriC^^> !ping
[11:16] <daftykins> :>
[11:22] <EriC^^> wb Wirehunter
[11:23] <EriC^^> i get the feeling you're a spy on a mission or something
[11:23] <EriC^^> is it true? :D
[11:23] <Wirehunter> I wish
[11:23] <Wirehunter> I'm a student commuting by train everyday
[11:24] <OerHeks> No, he is secretly SABDFL
[11:24] <OerHeks> :-D
[11:24] <Wirehunter> What is SABDFL? :P
[11:24] <OerHeks> oh, come on mark ..
[11:24] <ducasse> shuttleworth
[11:25] <Wirehunter> `http://askubuntu.com/questions/1020/who-is-sabdfl-what-does-he-do
[11:25] <Wirehunter> Haha, TIL SABDFL
[11:25] <OerHeks> the guy of bug1
[11:26] <EriC^^> his cover was blown
[11:29] <EriC^^> these fish are so werid btw
[11:29] <Wirehunter> Ohw, I accidently hid joined channels by clicking on them. Wat weird magic caused this?
[11:30] <OerHeks> oh, that was me
[11:31] <OerHeks> actually, if nobody is to blame, it was me
[11:34] <Wirehunter> Ah, okay
[11:47] <BluesKaj> hi de-facto
[12:24] <pauljw> hi everyone
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw, what's up today ?
[12:36] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj, not much, not near enough coffee yet this morning... :)
[12:43] <BluesKaj> pauljw, well I've back on my coffee intake to 2mugs from 3 due to sour stomach issues . It seems to help
[12:43] <BluesKaj> cut back
[12:44] <BluesKaj> love my coffee tho :-)
[12:46] <pauljw> :) love it too, I have cut back, but still drink lots...
[12:58] <pauljw> brb...
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[13:46] <ducasse> hiya lotus
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse :p
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[13:48] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> hi EriC^^ :p
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> its so sunny over here
[13:49] <EriC^^> opposite here, it's raining a lot here
[13:49] <EriC^^> went for a drive, hydroplaning a lot, came back home shortly
[13:49] <EriC^^> before you ask, hydroplaning is when there's so much water on the road the car will steer by itself to a side
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah i knew :p
[13:50] <EriC^^> lol
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> aka aquaplanning
[13:50] <BluesKaj> floats above the pavement alsmost
[13:51] <BluesKaj> scary wehn you hydroplane at 110Km /hr
[13:51] <EriC^^> yeah indeed
[13:51] <EriC^^> most scary is the guys in suv's who think they're invincible
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:52] <EriC^^> some guy was like flashing his headlights and stuff so i moved and he zooms by at like 140km or something and the water splashes my car gives it a wash
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> 140+140 = crash hard
[13:56] <EriC^^> these fish are so odd, can't really figure them out
[13:57] <EriC^^> i put them yesterday in this round blue container, thought they'd have a good swim around, at night i was checking on them and they were like spooked out and not swimming, and the dotted black one became fully red, lost his black marks
[13:57] <EriC^^> he wasn't eating either, usually all he does is go around eat, he didnt want to eat anything and just followed the other one around(usually it's the opposite he gets followed)
[13:58] <EriC^^> so i put them back in their usual container that's transparent, he got his black color again and started swimming and eating and they're fighting over food and stuff again
[13:58] <ducasse> are they still eating puke? :)
[13:58] <EriC^^> now they're like still freaked out a little, i put food for them, they won't touch it and go grab the food barely get a bite on it and swim down quickly
[13:59] <EriC^^> so i put my finger over the container and made some noises i usually make to call them, so they swam up next to my finger and started eating casually again, i think they're used to me feeding them and my finger being there
[14:00] <EriC^^> i felt like a breast feeding girl or something, like i had to keep my finger at the surface for them to eat otherwise they'd swim down all afraid
[14:00] <EriC^^> lol
[14:01] <ducasse> you're a dad now, EriC^^ :)
[14:02] <EriC^^> lol
[14:04] <EriC^^> the color thing is odd though, the black one almost turned white
[14:05] <ducasse> strange, but i know colors changing can happen to certain species. stress, maybe?
[14:06] <EriC^^> yeah they supposedly get black spots due to stress and other stuff, but the odd thing is that they wouldn't eat in that container so that doesn't make sense, seems like it was causing them stress
[14:06] <EriC^^> so it doesn't add up
[14:08] <ducasse> there's very likely a goldfish forum somewhere where you can ask
[14:08] <ducasse> i mean, what *isn't* there a forum for?
[14:08] <EriC^^> i was thinking about getting them an inflatable pool and putting it in a corner in the balcony and let them go nuts in it all they want
[14:08] <nicomachus> http://www.reddit.com/r/aquariums
[14:09] <EriC^^> it would be like 1100liters so they could grow out to their natural size there and not get stunted and stuff
[14:09] <EriC^^> right now they're in like 20liters
[14:10] <EriC^^> it's pretty sad
[14:10] <ducasse> maybe that's what's stressing them
[14:11] <EriC^^> yeah it could be, especially that they fight a lot, when i put them in the container first thing they did was red one was chasing the black one around and kind of dominating him not to eat i think
[14:13] <EriC^^> there's a shop that cuts glass next block, i should pass by and make a custom aquarium for them, like 120liters or so
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> there, muted all my bug subsriptions
[14:27] <ducasse> jeez, private info in partition tables? is he serious?
[14:27] <EriC^^> it's funny he's like ok i'll give 2 disks, but not the rest
[14:27] <EriC^^> :D
[14:28] <EriC^^> if it comes down to chrooting to reinstall grub, i think it will be difficult to help
[14:29] <ducasse> it's silly. why this paranoia? he won't be willing to pastebin result of any commands at all.
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> !grep
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> : (
[14:31] <ducasse> no edits yet?
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> nop, we need dax ducasse
[14:32] <ducasse> EriC^^: if he's this concerned about privacy, why is he installing w10? ;)
[14:32] <EriC^^> lol true
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> elky: the volunteers of discuss found this wiki for !grep as request: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grep wanna take a look?
[15:31] <ducasse> or if any other ops have the time? ^^
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> uh oh lag comming up
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> hi de-facto
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> !info snapd xenial
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> hi nacc
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: how come it says optional, and installed on xenial server?
[15:59] <nacc> lotuspsychje: morning!
[16:00] <nacc> lotuspsychje: because priority means nothing
[16:00] <nacc> iirc
[16:00] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: it's recommended by ubuntu-server
[16:00] <nacc> well, there's required and optional, and snapd is seeded
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> i see
[16:01] <elky> lotuspsychje: please ask in #ubuntu-ops rather than targetting people. the last time you asked it was midnight, there are more people around now
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> !snap
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> elky: we have tried every ways with several volunteers, in #ubuntu-ops, the ubottu request method and specific ops...nothing happened..what else can we do?
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> only dax helped us in the past
[16:04] <elky> you need to remember that not everyone reads all scrollbacks. ask in the ops channel several times until you get a response but don't burden individual people who may be, say, in the middle of mixing up a loaf of bread
[16:04]  * nicomachus holds his hands out for fresh bread
[16:05] <elky> nicomachus: it's a little uncooked
[16:05] <nicomachus> oh. well, I'll wait. It's a little early for lunch anyway
[16:08] <elky> lotuspsychje: it also helps to give the full factoid replacement, the delay now is me figuring out what the factoid should say
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> elky: i understand the ops cant log requests 24/7, we you also understand we cant spam the same stuff over and over
[16:09] <elky> once a day or once every couple of days isn't a problem
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> okay ill remember that
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> elky: ill spread the word, we can use the ubottu method at crowdy times with the full factoid text
[16:11] <elky> that wiki page also lacks an example of 'a stream'
[16:11] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: now you need a wiki editor as well ;)
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:12] <elky> so if you feel enthusiastic you could improve it
[16:12] <elky> (just pointing out that it says a thing that's not explained)
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> well its better then howto use the terminal no?
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> wiki is edited july 2016
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> and 3 usefull links at more infromation
[16:18] <elky> well yes, but it's really quite lacking and i'd rather link directly to something that lists some common flags and a few more examples
[16:19] <elky> so if you think it will have those things soon, then i'll do the edit, but otherwise there are probably better things to link to that are somewhere between that and the man page
[16:20] <ducasse> if i type up a few additions and submit it to the wiki editors, could it be used? i've been considering helping out with the wiki anyhow.
[16:20] <elky> i would suggest something that has an example of recursive grep and a stream, and some other useful flags like -i -F etc
[16:20] <elky> not too complex but just a little more than what is there now
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> good idea, anything that will help users in main
[16:21] <elky> ducasse: that'd be great, i'll edit the wiki to that page then :)
[16:21] <ducasse> exactly, probably -v as well. i'll take a look tomorrow.
[16:22] <elky> !grep
[16:23] <elky> your turn :P
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> nice one elky
[16:24] <EriC^^> did you guys fix the ubottu vulnerability?
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah another flaw EriC^^ reported a long time ago
[16:24] <EriC^^> msging from outside the channel
[16:27] <elky> the what?
[16:27] <elky> you're supposed to be able to pm the bot if that's what you're wondering
 wants you to know: hello (source: hello): example package based on GNU hello. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10-1 (xenial), package size 26 kB, installed size 104 kB
[16:29] <EriC^^> still there?
[16:29] <elky> how is that a vulnerability?
[16:30] <EriC^^> elky: let's say somebody floods the channel, you kick him out, he can use the bot to flood from outside the channel
[16:30] <EriC^^> dos'ing the ubottu service
[16:30] <elky> the bot has ratelimiting
[16:30] <EriC^^> to 1 user yes
[16:31] <EriC^^> and how much even for 1?
[16:31] <EriC^^> !info this-is-a-very-long-string-to-flood-blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablabla
[16:31] <EriC^^> !info this-is-a-very-long-string-to-flood-blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablabla
[16:32] <EriC^^> !grep
[16:32] <EriC^^> !grub
[16:32] <EriC^^> !flood
[16:32] <EriC^^> !yay
[16:32] <EriC^^> you get the point
[16:37] <elky> not really, and there isn't any bug logged in the bugtracker
[16:38] <EriC^^> not really what?
[16:38] <EriC^^> try to stop this channel from flooding
[16:38] <elky> i can ban you from the bot
[16:39] <EriC^^> well what if i have 100 ip's?
[16:39] <elky> then i'm not going to be able to ban you from the channel either
[16:40] <EriC^^> last time some guy flipped out on the channel he was flooding with dozens and dozens
[16:40] <elky> you'll get in, factoid and part
[16:40] <EriC^^> well the channel can be contained, +r
[16:40] <EriC^^> with this ubottu vuln nobody can use the bot anymore, you'll have to mute it
[16:42] <elky> considering i'd rather do away with factoid bots i consider that a win tbh
[16:42] <EriC^^> -.-
[16:43] <nicomachus> aw. but I love ubottu
[16:43] <nicomachus> and ubot5
[16:43] <EriC^^> just say it, "i'm lazy and dont wanna fix it"
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:45] <elky> i'm not the bot's maintainer, but the maintainer isn't seeing a report for this either so you've been sitting on this for how long now?
[16:45] <EriC^^> i told people about it, um, let's see
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> he reported in #ubuntu-ops
[16:46] <EriC^^> almost 3 years ago when i first joined freenode/ubuntu
[16:46] <elky> "told people"
[16:46] <elky> who?
[16:47] <EriC^^> elky: lol why are you making this about me?
[16:47] <EriC^^> the ops were aware of it in the channel
[16:47] <elky> was the bot's maintainer aware of it?
[16:47] <EriC^^> as well as pm's to dax later and i've joined #ubuntu-ops a couple times every 6months or so and brought it up
[16:48] <EriC^^> but anyways i dont have to justify anything and i'm not on trial here for anything, get real
[16:49] <elky> you're complaining that something didn't get fixed and i'm trying to figure out where you expected us to read
[16:49] <EriC^^> elky: i dont know and i dont care frankly, i told the ops, they know, just asked if it was fixed earlier, you said "it's not an issue" that was funny, and now you're trying to witch hunt me
[16:49] <elky> when has it been an issue yet?
[16:50] <EriC^^> elky: i'm not complaining, you were arguing that it's not a vuln at all, i was responding
[16:50] <EriC^^> whatever
[16:54] <ducasse> ok, i put in a request to join the wiki editors team, and i'll need a day or so to read up on formatting guidelines etc before i can write up the additions to the grep page.
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: great!
[16:55] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i'll let you know :)
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you can safely request the factoid on secureboot/dkms now also :p
[17:01] <ducasse> not pushing my luck ;)
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/
[17:01] <ducasse> there's a -bots channel as well, isn't there?
[17:15] <pavlushka> Good day lotuspsychje :)
[17:17] <ducasse> hi pavlushka :)
[17:17] <pavlushka> Hello ducasse :)
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> hey pavlushka
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> our codename discussion from this morning came alive :p
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/a-look-back-at-every-ubuntu-default-wallpaper
[18:08] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i think it was sweet of you to give me 19.04 :)
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> you were still in dreamland
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> bbl dinner
[23:04] <Guest28070> Hey
[23:04] <Guest28070> Is there a way to donate to ubuntu on a monthly basis via paypal?
[23:07] <Guest28070> no?
[23:08] <OerHeks> Guest28070, to your local community? or ubuntu community general?
[23:08] <OerHeks> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute there is a paypal button
[23:08] <Guest28070> aw dang! thanks!
[23:09] <OerHeks> yw
[23:09] <Guest28070> oh wait, it's not like a monthly thing but a one time donation
[23:10] <Guest28070> Meh
[23:12] <OerHeks> maybe you can set a periodic payment with paypal itself?
[23:13] <Guest28070> How?
[23:14] <OerHeks> I don't use paypal myself, https://www.paypal.com/pdn-recurring
[23:14] <OerHeks> recurring payments
[23:15] <OerHeks> not sure that is what it sounds like ..
[23:17] <Guest28070> googled "set up a recurring payment in paypal" and it said that the seller had to set it up
[23:17] <Guest28070> oh well
[23:19] <OerHeks> :-(