* valorie goes away right now for pizza + beer00:03
Snowhogvalorie: Had the beer; been thinking of pizza!00:04
clivejook why is my bouncer dropping messaged?00:52
tsimonq2clivejo: Because messaged is not a user here?00:53
* tsimonq2 runs00:53
clivejothose last three messages are on my telegram, but not on here00:53
acheronukthink my BNC is ok, so odd00:56
DarinMillerHey everyone!00:57
tsimonq2DarinMiller: How's Taiwan?00:57
DarinMillerMy bouncer seems to be working here, but I don't have telegram configured for comparison00:58
DarinMillerRainy and a bit smoggy.00:58
clivejoDarinMiller: are you still on for your grilling tomorrow?01:00
acheronukimages look ok I think, if you ignore the elephant in the room that is PIM!01:00
DarinMilleryes.  That will be 11:00pm tonight for me but I am mostly recovered from the jet lag so it should not be a problem.01:01
acheronukeek. 9am there?01:05
acheronukguess so01:05
DarinMilleryep, 9:00am here...01:05
acheronukDarinMiller: right. so you likely won't be up for much after your meeting. for some reason I thought you were back in the US today. 01:15
DarinMilleracheronuk: it's a satruday night and I finally slept in today so I should be good for a late nighter...01:17
acheronukok. probably have a chat in BBB after then :)01:17
yofelError: test_run(CI::ContainmentTest):01:20
yofel  Docker::Error::NotFoundError: No such image: pangea/ubuntu:vivid01:20
yofelfixing these tests is not fun....01:20
acheronukyofel: did you seem my comment about why the akonadi sqlite lib went missing?01:21
yofelI did and forgot, sorry01:22
acheronuknp. just not sure whether to bodge a rebuild leaving that being the case and skip those tests, or just leave the whole thing until after beta01:23
yofelmaybe skip them... I wonder how that patch applies to our package01:24
acheronukcould maybe test or try that, but do a rebuild skipping it in the meantime to fix the starting at least. the functionality is gone now anyway in the archive version, so we lose nothing01:26
acheronuktoo late to ponder that more tonight anyway for me.01:28
acheronukgood night all :)01:28
DarinMillernite rik01:29
DarinMillerwhat's the secret for hooking up #kubuntu-devel to telegram?  My googe searches return server setup summaries or setting up sameroom accounts.01:32
yofelit's already hooked up through the bot, you just need to join the telegram channel01:33
DarinMillerI tried  #kubuntu-devel and telegram wanted to create a "new" channel... trying again as I may have mistyped...01:34
valorieDarinMiller: what is your telegram ID?01:36
valorieI can invite you, but so far, you are not one of my contacts01:38
yofelvalorie to the rescue, I forgot how this works -.-01:38
valoriemine for instance is telegram.me/valoriez01:38
valorieI think01:38
DarinMillermy  telegram username is now DarinMiller (it was blank a few minutes ago)01:40
valorielet's see if I can connect with you and then add ya01:41
tsimonq2DarinMiller: meow01:42
IrcsomeBotDarinMiller was added by: Valoriez01:42
valorieI can't add you on the desktop app, but I can on my phone01:43
IrcsomeBot<DarinMiller> Hey it's working01:43
IrcsomeBot<DarinMiller> Now I create irksomebot [sic] messages01:44
DarinMillerbbl (heading to hotel breakfast before it closes)01:47
valoriegah, laptop froze again01:56
valorieI wonder if it could be telegram desktop client01:57
DarinMillervalorie: what is up with your laptop freezing?02:11
valorieDarinMiller: if only I knew02:21
valorieit started with an update around 2 weeks ago02:21
valorieI was hoping that the latest update would fix it, but no02:22
DarinMillerZesty I assume?  What model laptop and video card?02:23
valorieSysinfo for 'valorie-GT60-2PC': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.9.3 on Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) powered by Linux 4.10.0-13-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 1899/3800 MHz, RAM: 8950/24027 MB, Storage: 317/967 GB, 321 procs, 0.62h up02:28
valorieit's an msi GT6002:28
valorienot sure about video card02:28
valoriehow do I check that?02:29
valorieit has a sticker for nvidia Geforce GTX02:29
DarinMillervalorie: do you use nvdia drivers? If so are you using the 340 version?  I recommend swithing to the 304 version as I have had issues with 17.04 and the 340 drivers.  304 works fine. 02:41
DarinMillerI have not taken the time to file a bug yet. 02:42
valorieI just use the standard02:42
valorieneuvou or however you spell it02:42
mamarleyNouveau.  It is Français for "new."02:45
DarinMillervalorie: None of my nvidia hw runs very well with the nouveau (including Geforce 8600 (legacy), geforce 760 and geforce 960).  For trouble purposes, I recommend trying the proprietary drivers.02:49
valorieI will try that, thank you02:49
lordievaderGood morning.07:02
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_akregator build #84: FAILURE in 6 min 9 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_akregator/84/08:40
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_akregator build #124: FAILURE in 6 min 52 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_akregator/124/08:41
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_akregator build #106: FAILURE in 7 min 42 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akregator/106/08:41
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_akregator build #85: STILL FAILING in 4 min 37 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_akregator/85/08:50
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_akregator build #125: STILL FAILING in 5 min 45 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_akregator/125/08:51
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_akregator build #107: STILL FAILING in 5 min 9 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akregator/107/08:52
DarinMillerGood morning lordievader09:06
lordievaderHey DarinMiller 09:08
IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> hi Darin and lordievader09:08
DarinMillerhi clivejo09:09
DarinMillermoring Rik09:11
clivejoanother miserable day :/09:11
clivejoDarinMiller: regarding https://code.launchpad.net/~darinmiller/kubuntu-packaging/+git/akregator/+merge/32027309:13
* DarinMiller hopes clivejo is referencing the weather....09:13
clivejowe normally wildcard the arch, as we are building on multiple arch types09:13
clivejoso the x86_64-linux-gnu in our packaging should be *09:14
DarinMillerI was just about to mention akregator mp... 09:14
acheronukwhoops. should not do MP's when not quite awake!09:14
DarinMillerwildcard the path?09:15
clivejono biggie09:15
clivejojust the arch bit09:15
DarinMiller^ in lintian-rides?09:16
clivejowhile that would shut lintian up under amd64 arch09:16
clivejoothers will still complain09:16
clivejoyou could even wildcard the lib version09:17
DarinMillerGood to know, I just changed  target filename and kept the existing path.  Did not know to wildcard the path....09:17
DarinMilleroh, cool09:17
acheronukwhen I last staged and merged in unstable, I discovered a path I had forgot to wildcard on KCI. ;)09:17
acheronukwhich made the other staged arches fail!09:18
clivejoso non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/*/libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.* usr/lib/*/libakregatorinterfaces.so whould be more suitable IMO09:18
DarinMillerOk,  I was just about to paste something similar :)09:18
DarinMillerakregator: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/*/libakregatorinterfaces.so.* usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so09:19
DarinMillerI see, keep the .5 on the file name.09:19
DarinMillerOK, submitting new mp shortly09:19
clivejoits just that if that major version changes we kinda need to know09:20
clivejoso anything that complains about it and lets someone know would be a bennifit09:20
DarinMillerwhen  I built locally, the build succeeded, but produced this line:09:20
DarinMillerW: akregator: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.4.3 usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so09:20
acheronuknot so crucial in a lintian override, but yes. need to not be too generousness with the version wildcards so that can get a warming if they bump the lib from .5 to .6 say09:21
DarinMillershould I add that line to lintian also even though lintian  test passes?09:21
clivejobut I can be a bit OTT on some matters09:22
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!09:22
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_akregator build #126: FIXED in 11 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_akregator/126/09:22
clivejoin the case of KCI or Neon that patch is totally valid09:22
clivejobut more that out into staging or archive, it will start to complain due to the different archs09:23
clivejowe are building 5or 6 different archs in the staging PPA09:23
DarinMilleryes, understood.  09:24
DarinMillerso regarding the lintiain line I posted above ^09:25
clivejosorry, just being overly verbose incase someone who wants to learn this is interested09:25
DarinMillershould I add that line also to lintianwith wild cards of course09:25
DarinMillernp. I appreceiate the thoroughness :)09:25
clivejono, no, just wildcard the version09:26
clivejofor me libakregatorinterfaces.so.* is a bit too much09:26
clivejoI would leave the .5 there, but thats just so Id get multiple warnings if they bumped that version09:27
DarinMillerMornin' Phil!09:27
acheronukmorning :)09:28
clivejobut as acheronukpoints out, its only a lintian warning, and one would hope we arent relying on lintian to detect it!09:28
clivejoyo Phil!09:28
DarinMillerclivejo: the other line at 17:2009:28
DarinMillerclivejo: or see lintian section here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24200451/09:28
DarinMillerSo ignore or add this line to lintian also: W: akregator: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.4.3 usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so09:32
clivejono no09:33
clivejowildcard it09:33
clivejoanywhere you see x86_64-linux-gnu change it to *09:33
DarinMillernm, I thought that was different file reference.  09:33
clivejo* means accept any value09:33
DarinMillerI understand.  I just can't read :)09:34
clivejoand wildcard the version so libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.4.3 becomes libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.*09:34
clivejothis will then pattern match both versions you have seen and override the warning09:34
DarinMillerWhen I looked at the line earlier today, I thought it was flagging a different file.... 09:35
clivejoif it was a different file then yes, take a new line09:35
* DarinMiller needs to grab his reading glasses....09:35
clivejobut its the same file, just two different versions09:35
clivejounstable is building KDE git master09:36
DarinMilleryes, I see now, I apollogize for not paying closer attention. :)09:36
clivejoits not attention, its just mistakes Ive made in the past 09:37
clivejoI tend to learn things the hard way!09:37
* acheronuk syncs daily isos09:38
acheronukmust add the KCI one to my script if that is working for zsync now :)09:40
clivejodo you script it to do it over night?09:41
yofelit does (rsync too)09:41
* clivejo was considering begging my WISP provider in allowing me more off-peak speed in return for not using it so much at peak times09:43
acheronukummmm. the zsync link is https which zsync doesn't support09:44
clivejoat the moment every update from KCI is about 300Mb09:45
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #1371: SUCCESS in 57 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/1371/09:45
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #1371: SUCCESS in 1 min 0 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/1371/09:46
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #1371: SUCCESS in 3 min 43 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/1371/09:48
-kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-02 build #1371: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-02/1371/09:49
yofelgreat, uhm, lets see if I can exclude that from the ssl path :/09:49
yofelthere's https://launchpad.net/zsync-curl though, wonder why that never got anywhere near the archive09:50
acheronukthe KCI iso runs :)10:04
clivejoDarinMiller: you are still missing the wildcard in the last bit10:05
clivejo usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so10:05
DarinMillerOK, fixing now.10:05
DarinMillerdeleting mp....10:05
clivejoanywhere you see  usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu is locking that to a certain arch10:06
yofelacheronuk: try now10:09
BluesKaj'Morning all10:10
BluesKajhi yofel10:11
acheronukyofel: I still get redirected to https to view the index page ins a browser and the link shows there as https..... but10:12
acheronukhttps://kci.pangea.pub/images/iso_zesty_unstable_amd64/current/kubuntu-ci-unstable-zesty-amd64.iso.zsync works10:12
IrcsomeBot<DarinMiller> Lost WiFi at the hotel...10:13
acheronukI mean zsync that WITHOUT the https works10:13
* DarinMiller 's wifi is on again...10:15
yofelthe browser caches the 301, wipe the cache and the redirect should stop10:16
acheronukyofel. so it does :)10:18
* DarinMiller 's mp skills are improving. He can almost complete an entrire mp with family friendly language and related side comments.10:24
DarinMillerI don't understand the 301 reference and cache wipe... Was someone encountering issues with previous zsync's and bad cache?10:27
acheronukmy browser was just remembering the 301 response when trying to go to the http link and redirecting to https. had to clear cache so it could stop doing that and get to the restored http one10:47
acheronukI *think*, anyway....10:47
yofelDarinMiller: HTTP 301 is "moved permanently" - so browsers remember that instead of asking every time11:06
DarinMillerwhy would akonadi build fine in kde applications but not on KCI zesty_unstable (both versions 4:16.12.3)?11:39
yofelDarinMiller: packaging says 4:16.12.3, but code is actually git master12:02
DarinMillerso code may actually be future apps 17.04?12:05
yofelthat's the purpose of _unstable, to check what needs to be changed for the next release12:06
yofelwe had builds from the current stable branch, i.e. Applications/16.12 in the CI in the past. But that's currently broken and I'll need some more time to bring that back12:07
DarinMillerwhat happened? How was packaging broken?12:09
yofelthat's fine. What's broken is the CI code that sets the correct branch for each job, so after we moved from debian to launchpad git, all stable builds would also build from master12:10
yofeland manually configuring some 250 jobs for each release doesn't quite work12:10
yofel(each time you update something)12:10
DarinMillerSo we need to fix a script or two?12:11
yofelyes, do you know ruby?12:12
DarinMillerI have seen ruby code and it seems reasonable.  But I have never written anything with Ruby.12:13
* DarinMiller thinks Ruby seems much easier than the basic Chinese he is attempting to learn while abroad...12:14
DarinMillerIs the ruby script in question part of the KA tools?12:19
yofelit probably is easier, heh12:20
yofelsorry, I'm a bit short on time right now. But the tooling itself is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci-admins/kubuntu-ci/+git/pangea-tooling12:21
clivejoahhh bovine excrement12:21
clivejoI thought Id got Mycroft working12:21
clivejobut"an error occurring while processing a request in KRunnerPlasmaDesktop skill12:22
clivejowell, I guess Im a little closer12:24
* DarinMiller stares in awe at then number of pangea-tooling scripts12:36
* DarinMiller reads the pangea-tooling README and proceeds to install ruby and bundler12:38
ahoneybunmorning DarinMiller13:29
DarinMillerg'morning Aaron!13:32
* ahoneybun drinks coffee13:33
* DarinMiller eats a banana for an evening snack13:35
ahoneybunwell it's 9:30am here lol13:36
* acheronuk drinks coffee13:37
acheronukwith chocolate13:37
ahoneybunovidiuflorin valorie yofel mamarley  claydoh Darin Meeting in 5 mins13:53
acheronukahoneybun: was that not 15:00 UTC?13:54
acheronukmaybe I read wrong.....13:55
ahoneybunI think that is now in my tz13:55
DarinMillerIt's DST that is causing the confusion.13:55
acheronukno DST here yet. I am on UTC13:55
acheronukit is 13:56 here13:56
DarinMillerI scheduled it for 8:00am Mountain time before DST.  13:56
ahoneybunso still 1 hour?13:56
* acheronuk is not on a mountain13:56
acheronukor even near one13:56
DarinMillerIs DST observed in Northern Europe and UK?13:57
DarinMillerI am fine with now or an hour from now.  Whatever works for everyone.13:58
acheronukBST (British Summer Time) starts on Sunday, 26 March13:58
acheronukBST = DST here13:58
DarinMillerOh.  Ok.13:58
ahoneybunmm very confused13:58
acheronukthat's the point of UTC. same everywhere13:59
DarinMillerDoodle was not very clear that dates I picked spanned a time change, so something to think about when scheduling meetings in spring and fall.14:00
MamarokI have written it dfown for 15 UTC, thats an hour from now14:01
Mamarokand since I have to run some errands before that, I would rather do this in an hour14:02
DarinMillerAlright, meeting in an hour.14:02
ahoneybunclivejo: https://community.kde.org/Incubator/Projects/BabeQt14:03
* DarinMiller is using the extra hour to "pre-answer" anticipated questions. Hopefully will save time for everyone...14:49
ahoneybungood idea14:52
ahoneybunI should make questions lol14:52
ahoneybunso is it almost 15UTC?14:57
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> Bing bong15:01
DarinMillerany volunteers to do the role call?15:01
DarinMillerAccording to the doodle, Clive, Jader, Aaron, Ovidu, Jose, Simon, Phil and Rik said they could make it.15:03
clivejoacheronuk yofel you there?15:03
DarinMillerPaulo, Valorie, Myriam and Walter could not.15:04
ahoneybunvalorie is +1 tho15:04
acheronukping: yofel ahoneybun Mamarok ovidiuflorin claydoh 15:04
clivejoso Mr Miller, who are you?15:04
yofelthere now15:05
yofelneed a minute or two though15:05
* acheronuk lurks15:05
* DarinMiller whistles for a couple minutes....15:05
wxli'm here15:06
clivejoyou can start by telling us who you are15:06
DarinMillerHi Walter, glad you could make it!15:06
ahoneybunlet me place the holder15:07
DarinMillerDon't wait for Phil?15:07
yofeljust go ahead15:07
ahoneybun===== Darin Miller Membership meeting START =====15:07
* Mamarok is in15:07
DarinMillerMy about me can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/~darinmiller15:07
DarinMillerIn short, I am a semiconductor engineer from Boise, ID who loves computers.15:08
DarinMillerI also like hiking, mt biking, back packing, road biking, skiing and about anything outdoors.15:09
Mamarokyou live in the perfect place for that :-)15:09
clivejoIs Kubuntu about computers?15:10
DarinMillerYes, Idaho is a great place for outdoor activity.  15:10
wxlgood question, clivejo 15:11
DarinMillerFor some people Kubuntu is about computer. For me its much deeper.15:11
DarinMillerOpen source is an excellent example of human collaboration and sharing. IMHO, it exemplifies how all technology should be shared. The open source concept of sharing/helping fellow man coincides with my philosophy of life.15:11
clivejohow did you end up being a user of Ubuntu/Kubuntu or other flavor/flavour?15:11
DarinMillerHave a pre typed answer: 15:12
DarinMillerIn its earlier days, Ubuntu was "a near bleeding edge" distro with simplifled debian packaging.  Of the several distro's that I have tried, debian's .deb files and PPA's keep package/library management within reach of an "average" PC user.   In order to appeal the masses, we needed to keep the linux adoption technical barrier to a minimum.  I feel the *buntu distro's acheive that goal.15:12
DarinMillerAs explained in my "about me" section of my Ubuntu wiki, KDE earned my acceptance by allowing me to do things the way I wanted. Thus, Kubuntu is my desktop of choice.15:12
* clivejo cross checks the facts and dates 15:13
* genii makes more coffee and settles in15:13
wxlwhat's the K stand for?15:13
DarinMillerK is for the KDE desktop envior.15:13
ahoneybunKool Desktop Environment15:13
wxlah ha!15:14
Mamarokguys, can you remember we are in 2017? KDEis a community, not a desktop15:14
DarinMillerSimilar to the other flavor of Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Edbuntu, now defunct Mediabuntu.15:14
wxlMamarok: exactly! you get a bonus point15:14
* clivejo looks for his gold star stickers15:14
Mamarokthx, first time I get a point here, thx ;-)15:14
* ahoneybun will always remember KDE as a desktop15:14
wxlin that sense the "K" means something very similar to what Ubuntu is meant to imply to the project15:15
Mamarokahoneybun: remember, but stop saying it is a desktop15:15
DarinMiller"I am who am because of who we are".15:15
clivejoit is many things :)15:15
ahoneybunMamarok: would we be Pubuntu now then?15:15
clivejoa big family15:15
Mamarokahoneybun: not at all, you miss the point, again :-)15:16
wxlahoneybun: because Ubuntu only happens in pubs? :)15:16
acheronukPub-untu sounds fun15:16
clivejoYou mention you are a Kubuntu Ninja, what is one of those?15:16
yofelno no no, if anything please go with fluffy, that's the only fork that I'm ever going to recognise ;P15:16
clivejosounds painful and violent15:17
DarinMiller? I have not claimed to be a Ninja.15:17
* acheronuk did not get his sword or throwing stars yet15:17
clivejoreplace are with want to be15:17
* yofel hands acheronuk a fez15:17
clivejowhy would you want to hurt people?15:18
DarinMillerYes, Ninja can be quite powerful when they so choose.15:18
wxlwhat do you hoep to accomplish as a ninja, DarinMiller ?15:19
DarinMillerThey a have to power to change lives for the betrer or worse-specifically via packaging uploads to the repos.15:19
DarinMillerAs a ninja, I hope to responsibly upload packages and stage new releases.15:20
* DarinMiller thought this was kubuntu membership meeting.15:20
ahoneybunclivejo: what is with this Ninja stuff?15:21
clivejowe cant have you copy and pasting all your answers :P15:21
DarinMillerkubuntu membership = ninja?15:21
yofelthere's nothing wrong with talking about general future plans in the membership meeting15:21
ahoneybunDarinMiller: what willl you do with membership?15:21
clivejoIts a goal, I wanted to know why he wants to be a ninja15:22
DarinMillerahh, understood now.15:22
clivejoso Im guess one of your interests is packaging?15:22
acheronukalso looks to be one of the main ways you plan to contribute15:22
clivejocan you show us or give examples of how you have contributed to date?15:23
DarinMilleryes, I would like to be able fix all aspects of packaging and upload new packages as needed.15:23
yofelas I wasn't around much lately and can't really see it on the wiki page: what have you been doing in/with and for kubuntu so far? Anything else?15:23
DarinMillerI have contributed very little independenlty, but I have helped fix lintial issues, control files deps, and made a very minor mod to one of the KA scripts.15:25
clivejominor mod?15:25
acheronukvery useful mod IIR ^^^15:25
clivejoI think you are selling yourself short there!15:25
* clivejo was very frustrated with the tooling prior to that fix15:26
DarinMillerFrom coding perspective, it was well within my skillset, so the mod seemed minor to me.15:26
clivejowell it was much appreciated 15:27
yofelwhen did you start hanging out here and how did you end up in this channel?15:27
DarinMillerThat's another reason I like this team. I feel my efforts are appreciated. 15:27
DarinMillerAnd that encourages me to want to do more.15:28
DarinMillerI started hanging out here about a year and half ago.  I noticed backport upates were lagging and I saw that some main kubuntu members had left, so I tried to determine if Kunbuntu needed assistance.15:30
yofelnow that you mention it...15:30
DarinMillerI never knew these IRC channels existed before that time.15:31
DarinMillerIn fact, I did not know how to use IRC prior to last year.15:32
yofelyay, for finding ours then :D15:32
yofeland now I finally know again why your name didn't really feel that unfamiliar lately ^^15:32
clivejois there anything the community could do to help people make that step easier?15:33
IrcsomeBot<DarinMiller> Just lost internet at the hotel15:36
DarinMillerclivejo attempted to train me much earlier but with work and other events, I did not dedicate enought time to learn the packaging ropes until recently.15:36
DarinMillerOk, back I think....15:37
clivejois there anything the community could do to help people make that step easier?15:37
DarinMillerclivejo: Do you mean the Kubuntu community?15:37
clivejoin your own experience, what have been the good encouraging points and what have been the points that have discouraged you?15:38
DarinMillerI think the Kubuntu community with the #kubuntu channel (which is posted on the website) is off to a good start.15:39
DarinMillerI recommend people participate in their local communtiies, whether community ed classes if available or via technical outreach programs via their local employers.15:40
DarinMillerPersonally, I have skipped some of the community ed opportunities as I the state of Kubuntu was in transition and too many things were broken.15:42
DarinMillerSimple things in early kde 4 were broken such as volume control, certain key apps would crash.15:43
clivejois that something you see yourself also working on?  spreading the word and helping new people ?15:44
DarinMillerI did not want to introduce new people a buggy enviro.  I feel that if I can help improve the end user experience, I will be much more prepared to share it with others.15:44
DarinMillerSo short answer, yes.15:45
clivejodo you feel more confident now, say with Zesty to go out and showcase it?15:45
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wxlDarinMiller: have you had any contact with the Ubuntu Idaho LoCo out of curiousity?15:46
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DarinMillerAs mentioned in my wiki page, my technically minded coworkers seemed disinterested. The general communtiy is much more curious and receptive.15:46
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DarinMillerBack in 2009 or 2010, Paul Wilch and I attempted to promote the Ubuntu Idaho LoCo.  But the linux interest in the area was very low and we were competing with an established BLUG (Boise Linux user group).15:48
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wxlif you still have interest in that regard, i have some suggestions on how you could potential resolve that issue15:49
wxlsee me after the meeting15:49
* wxl pours some lapsang souchong15:49
DarinMillerOur name may still be on the Ubuntu Idaho contact list, but I have not attempted to revive that effort.15:49
clivejoanyone else have questions for Darin?15:50
clivejoor DarinMiller have you any questions for us?15:51
DarinMillerNo, I have not questions that need to answered at the moment.15:52
clivejohappy enough with the initiation cemetery then :)15:52
clivejogrr ceremony15:52
DarinMilleruh, yes ?15:52
DarinMilleryes :)15:53
acheronukI would note that timezone and work have hindered Darin contributing as much as he would have preferred I think15:53
acheronukso please take that into account ;)15:53
* DarinMiller agrees with acheronuk statement!15:54
yofelaaron disappeared?15:55
* clivejo thinks its probably voting time15:56
acheronuknearly 11pm for Darin where he is I think15:57
yofelright, so ping ahoneybun Mamarok ovidiuflorin claydoh 15:57
ahoneybun+1 from me15:57
* DarinMiller took a nap today and tomorrow is Sunday, so not a problem15:57
yofel+1 as well15:57
clivejo+1 from me15:57
acheronukvalorie left a +115:57
Mamarok+1 from me, too. Good job, DarinMiller15:58
acheronuk+1 from me15:58
yofelthen we're done, welcome15:58
* wxl high fives @Darkwing 15:58
wxl@DarinMiller i mean!15:58
DarinMillerThanks for time everyone!15:58
* genii throws punchcard confetti around15:58
clivejoCongrats Darin15:58
ahoneybun===== Darin Miller Membership meeting END =====15:58
acheronukcongratulations :)15:59
acheronukand welcome15:59
DarinMillerThanks acheronuk15:59
DarinMillerI am very happy to be part of the team.15:59
acheronukvery pleased to have you Darin16:00
clivejoyou were already part of it, this just makes it official :)16:00
Mamarokwelcome to the club, DarinMiller :-)16:00
ahoneybunadded DarinMiller to the members on LP16:01
DarinMillerThanks Mamarok and clivejo16:01
* DarinMiller oh great... more stuff to configure....16:01
clivejoBTW has that git access for Kubuntu members been resolved?16:02
yofelseems so16:03
acheronukDarinMiller: don't forget that you get benefit same as a ubuntu member :)16:03
clivejoso, next on the agenda16:03
acheronukwe have an agenda?16:04
clivejooh yes...16:04
* DarinMiller now gets a cloack on freenode16:05
wxl$ echo $agenda16:05
yofelwe technically always have one, it usually only has one item :D16:05
clivejowell Simon's git access16:05
wxlhas he requested it to be returned?16:06
* DarinMiller thinks wxl is funny :)16:06
wxli figured as such16:06
clivejohes made a few subtle hints, from time to time :P16:07
acheronuk*** chokes laughing *** ^^^16:07
Mamarokare we in a rush for his git access? Or does he need a reinforced lesson?16:08
clivejoI would like to think he now understand the error of his actions that lead to revoking them16:09
Mamarokif everybody is comfortable with it, no objections from me16:09
clivejoand he's indicated to the -devel team that he will consult and work closer in future 16:10
wxli think we should give him a clear indication of what will happen if he does it again16:10
acheronukI would have liked to have seen more of what was sort of agreed when it was revoked actually done, but think as long as it's on a probationary basis that it's more likely to help if restored16:10
wxllike maybe loss of privs with a defined time16:11
wxllike, a year or something16:11
clivejoI'd like to think that it will not happen again and that is something we never have to consider16:12
wxli'd like to think that, too16:12
acheronukditto ^^^16:12
wxlbut i think it's important to be clear16:12
yofelagreed, but we should've set some kind of time limit from the very beginning. Right now it just leaves him hanging in the void16:12
clivejoit was shame that we had to consider placing restrictions to people contributing in the first place16:13
* DarinMiller nods agreeing with everyone's input16:14
clivejobut I do feel we need to draw a line under it, and if Simon sticks to what he has promised then things should be fine16:14
acheronukyofel: agreed. in hindsight16:14
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @yofel, That right there is why I haven't done much lately. I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.16:14
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> NOW I do16:14
IrcsomeBot* tsimonq2 puts crazy monkey man in a locked cage16:15
clivejotsimonq2: thats a good life lesson16:16
acheronukI for one hoped that things would change fairly rapidly so privs could be restored. but things did not go that way.16:16
wxlacheronuk: to be clear, what things were you hoping to see?16:17
wxlperhaps tsimonq2 can explain why they did not occur?16:17
clivejowxl: I guess the points on the email reply16:18
clivejodocumentation etc16:18
clivejothings that don't need LP commit access to do16:18
wxlwhich email is this again?16:18
wxlwell, tsimonq2 ?16:19
clivejothose are some very valid issues which affect us16:20
clivejoand I was very impressed by him offering to work on them16:21
acheronukback shortly..16:26
acheronukBBB today?16:35
acheronukthat seems a no. ok16:50
* acheronuk cooks chilli16:50
clivejoouppss sorry16:51
clivejowas busy posting a news story!16:51
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> what version of knmail should I have in yakkety?16:51
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> I have 5.2 .316:51
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> but the interface looks different16:52
clivejoovidiuflorin: Ovi One will you check over that news post please16:53
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> so I missed that meeting?16:55
* clivejo nods16:55
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> looks good to me16:56
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> congrats darin16:56
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> DarinMiller: congratulations16:56
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> cliejo: when is the BBB meeting on?16:57
IrcsomeBot<ovidiuflorin> now?16:57
DarinMillerThanks ovidiuflorin!16:58
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> clivejo is not coming. Darin is past midnight where he is, and I am cooking....16:58
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> so maybe no BBB today?16:58
DarinMillerTime for bed for me...16:59
clivejogood night Darin, sweet dreams!17:01
acheronukyofel: has KCI stopped responding to LP git webhooks?18:17
yofelyeah... it might have...18:24
acheronukyofel: oh, whatever recent change was made seem to now want webhook url to be https18:24
yofelmeh, I guess forcing https was not that great of an idea :S18:24
yofelhm, then again, a webhook update should fix that?18:25
acheronukknow how to automate that on 300+ repos?18:25
yofelacheronuk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/view/head:/bin/manage-repo-webhooks18:26
yofelbut I'll remove the redirect as well for now18:27
acheronukso change the baseurl for that, and it would see every repo as needing an update I guess.18:27
yofelquestion is if there's any manual hooks somewhere18:29
yofellet me get that working over http in any case18:29
yofelthat script is really just for easy adding of hooks for new repositories18:30
acheronukat least I know know that exists. I should probably have a close look at all those scripts again. 18:31
acheronuk*now know18:31
acheronukurgh http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#akonadi18:39
acheronukacc test failures on the stuff rebuilt against akonadi for the tests. -fno-keep-inline-functions now needed on the new GCC18:41
acheronukwas hoping enough were previously badtested to skip past that, but seems not. :/18:43
yofelremoved the force https for now. Login redirects you to https anyway so I guess that's ~ok18:44
acheronukthx :)18:44
acheronukhmmm... do I risk breaking PIM worse? or just copy neon, and make that directory /var/lib/mysql-files via our setting package that won't have an issue getting through proposed?18:47
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acheronukunless anyone has objections, then I think the latter? easier to revert, and I honestly am not sure I have the will to fight with the old PIM stack19:02
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clivejoyofel: did you mention you intend to kill yakkety this weekend?19:09
yofelhm. If the old PIM can work with the newer akonadi that's worth a try I guess19:09
yofelyes, though I got distracted as usual >.>19:09
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clivejocan I remove yakkety packages from unstable PPA?19:12
yofelgo ahead, I'm figuring out the right regex to wipe the jobs19:13
acheronukadd to dirs or postinst script.....? hmmm19:13
yofelmysql-files? dirs19:14
clivejoacheronuk: you ok with me klearing all yakkety packages from unstable PPA?19:16
acheronukclivejo: please please please please please do :P19:16
yofeljobs gone19:16
clivejoLOL I will take great pleasure in running this command!19:16
yofelviews gone19:17
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clivejoas a release goes, I don't like yakkety :/19:25
acheronukI liked it at the time...19:26
acheronukbut it has proved to have some niggles and oddities since19:26
acheronukclivejo: any decision on kickoff favs?19:27
clivejoI'd like to go ahead with it19:27
acheronukclivejo: you going to have time to do it?19:28
clivejoits just adding a file19:29
clivejojust don't want the backlash from people who dont like it or arent happy with the selected apps19:30
acheronukplease add konsole then. that is my only big pref19:30
acheronukwell, people have had the chance to have their say. so tough.19:31
valoriecongratulations DarinMiller! 19:54
valoriesorry I had to miss your meeting19:54
acheronukHi. how about changing the default user 'face' for zesty?21:32
acheronukcurrently it's this freakish thing! 21:33
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> (Photo, 283x174) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/j9m60kCC/file_2208.jpg21:33
clivejoit is rather freakish :/21:33
clivejowhat does a konqi look like? 21:34
acheronukmaybe a little konqui?21:34
acheronukthere is http://i.imgur.com/dKKO3mB.png21:35
acheronuka konqui there21:35
acheronukor could have ours21:36
acheronukkonqui from: http://kubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/4625/kubuntu_16.10_Yakkety_Yak_ver2.svg21:41
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> http://i.imgur.com/vweMdzw.png21:44
valorieI like the Konqui from the choices http://i.imgur.com/dKKO3mB.png21:51
valorieI agree the standard is really weird21:51
* acheronuk tries a test package21:54
valoriemmmm, don't really like that one21:56
valoriebut I guess it's better than the standard21:56
acheronukvalorie: oh, the green one..21:59
valoriehe's a cutie22:00
clivejothe one with its tongue out?22:07
acheronuklooks a bit weird as well on the kickoff and lockscreen?22:07
acheronukI was trying for something neutral (ish)22:07
acheronukproblem is so much is personal taste22:08
clivejoI can't seem to add a custom one :/22:10
acheronukclivejo: you seem to have to log out and in again to make a change take effect on the kickoff22:11
acheronukor maybe restart plasma?22:11
valorieI like him22:12
valoriebut as you say, all down to individual taste22:13
* acheronuk wonders what clivejo is choosing...22:16
acheronukthe konqui off the yakkety banner just looks like a blob if you reduce his size. shame. :/ I like that.22:19
IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> A wee blue mouse!22:22
valorieI've seen somewhere, maybe the forums, lots of little konquis22:22
valoriebut I'm not sure about just faces22:22
valorieto me22:22
acheronukI would rather stay with a KDE theme for it22:23
valorieme too22:23
IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> (Photo, 1280x1201) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/u3VGinky/file_2210.jpg22:23
acheronukstart button maybe for that mouse. doesn't really strike me as a user icon/face though22:25
IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> Just playing with the Ubuntu button22:25
IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> Made it blue instead of orange22:25
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> there is a ubuntu button like that where?22:26
valorieI think I put my own face in there22:27
IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> (Photo, 1280x1231) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/r7TEXbUz/file_2212.jpg22:31
IrcsomeBot<CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> Ubuntu button doesn't look nice22:32
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> not at all!22:33
valorieKen is cool22:39
valoriethe avatars ..... not so much22:39
valorieI'm glad they are making some new ones22:39
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> that was 2015. so I think we have what we have now!22:40
valorieI don't like ones that hop around though22:42
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> png only for this I think.22:43
valoriesomebody should have sets of them on the KDE store!22:44
valoriecupcakes, flowers, birds, anime -- there are a thousand sets one could design22:44
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> well, if we take one of the other defauls we have zero issue with permissions to use etc22:44
valoriehats, animals22:44
valorieof course22:45
valorieyou are doing the work, so you choose what you like22:45
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> I'm making the change in kubuntu-settings, so we can easily switch if there is protest or a better choice found22:46
clivejotheres gonna be riots tomorrow :/22:46
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> yeah?22:47
clivejowhen everyone downloads the iso22:47
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> lets make it worth the trouble then :P22:47
clivejoacheronuk: we could get sacked tomorrow :P22:48
acheronukcould walk under a bus tommorow22:49
acheronukbut tommorow is not quite beta-freeze ;)22:49
geniimamarley: Is there someplace on graphics-drivers PPA where old versions are archived?23:01
mamarleygenii: No, we do not offer old versions.  There have been a handful of security issues that have been fixed at various points and we don't want to have to keep track of which versions are safe and which aren't.23:02
geniiOK, thanks for the explanation. Guy in #ubuntu worried about going past his installed 358 looking for a deb file for it incase everything crashes and burns23:03

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