[00:03] <valorie> ok
[00:03]  * valorie goes away right now for pizza + beer
[00:04] <Snowhog> valorie: Had the beer; been thinking of pizza!
[00:52] <clivejo> ok why is my bouncer dropping messaged?
[00:53] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Because messaged is not a user here?
[00:53]  * tsimonq2 runs
[00:53] <clivejo> those last three messages are on my telegram, but not on here
[00:56] <acheronuk> think my BNC is ok, so odd
[00:57] <DarinMiller> Hey everyone!
[00:57] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller!!!
[00:57] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: How's Taiwan?
[00:58] <DarinMiller> My bouncer seems to be working here, but I don't have telegram configured for comparison
[00:58] <DarinMiller> Rainy and a bit smoggy.
[00:58] <yofel> o/
[01:00] <clivejo> DarinMiller: are you still on for your grilling tomorrow?
[01:00] <acheronuk> images look ok I think, if you ignore the elephant in the room that is PIM!
[01:01] <DarinMiller> yes.  That will be 11:00pm tonight for me but I am mostly recovered from the jet lag so it should not be a problem.
[01:05] <acheronuk> eek. 9am there?
[01:05] <acheronuk> guess so
[01:05] <DarinMiller> yep, 9:00am here...
[01:15] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: right. so you likely won't be up for much after your meeting. for some reason I thought you were back in the US today. 
[01:17] <DarinMiller> acheronuk: it's a satruday night and I finally slept in today so I should be good for a late nighter...
[01:17] <acheronuk> ok. probably have a chat in BBB after then :)
[01:20] <yofel> Error: test_run(CI::ContainmentTest):
[01:20] <yofel>   Docker::Error::NotFoundError: No such image: pangea/ubuntu:vivid
[01:20] <yofel> fixing these tests is not fun....
[01:21] <acheronuk> yofel: did you seem my comment about why the akonadi sqlite lib went missing?
[01:22] <yofel> I did and forgot, sorry
[01:23] <acheronuk> np. just not sure whether to bodge a rebuild leaving that being the case and skip those tests, or just leave the whole thing until after beta
[01:24] <yofel> maybe skip them... I wonder how that patch applies to our package
[01:26] <acheronuk> could maybe test or try that, but do a rebuild skipping it in the meantime to fix the starting at least. the functionality is gone now anyway in the archive version, so we lose nothing
[01:28] <acheronuk> too late to ponder that more tonight anyway for me.
[01:28] <acheronuk> good night all :)
[01:29] <DarinMiller> nite rik
[01:32] <DarinMiller> what's the secret for hooking up #kubuntu-devel to telegram?  My googe searches return server setup summaries or setting up sameroom accounts.
[01:33] <yofel> it's already hooked up through the bot, you just need to join the telegram channel
[01:34] <DarinMiller> I tried  #kubuntu-devel and telegram wanted to create a "new" channel... trying again as I may have mistyped...
[01:36] <valorie> DarinMiller: what is your telegram ID?
[01:38] <valorie> I can invite you, but so far, you are not one of my contacts
[01:38] <yofel> valorie to the rescue, I forgot how this works -.-
[01:38] <valorie> mine for instance is telegram.me/valoriez
[01:38] <valorie> I think
[01:40] <DarinMiller> my  telegram username is now DarinMiller (it was blank a few minutes ago)
[01:40] <valorie> weeee
[01:41] <valorie> let's see if I can connect with you and then add ya
[01:41] <DarinMiller> ok
[01:42] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: meow
[01:42] <valorie> weeeee
[01:43] <valorie> I can't add you on the desktop app, but I can on my phone
 Hey it's working
 Now I create irksomebot [sic] messages
[01:47] <DarinMiller> bbl (heading to hotel breakfast before it closes)
[01:56] <valorie> gah, laptop froze again
[01:57] <valorie> I wonder if it could be telegram desktop client
[02:11] <DarinMiller> valorie: what is up with your laptop freezing?
[02:21] <valorie> DarinMiller: if only I knew
[02:21] <valorie> it started with an update around 2 weeks ago
[02:22] <valorie> I was hoping that the latest update would fix it, but no
[02:23] <DarinMiller> Zesty I assume?  What model laptop and video card?
[02:28] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-GT60-2PC': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.9.3 on Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty Zapus) powered by Linux 4.10.0-13-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 1899/3800 MHz, RAM: 8950/24027 MB, Storage: 317/967 GB, 321 procs, 0.62h up
[02:28] <valorie> it's an msi GT60
[02:28] <valorie> not sure about video card
[02:29] <valorie> how do I check that?
[02:29] <valorie> it has a sticker for nvidia Geforce GTX
[02:41] <DarinMiller> valorie: do you use nvdia drivers? If so are you using the 340 version?  I recommend swithing to the 304 version as I have had issues with 17.04 and the 340 drivers.  304 works fine. 
[02:42] <DarinMiller> I have not taken the time to file a bug yet. 
[02:42] <valorie> I just use the standard
[02:42] <valorie> neuvou or however you spell it
[02:45] <mamarley> Nouveau.  It is Français for "new."
[02:49] <DarinMiller> valorie: None of my nvidia hw runs very well with the nouveau (including Geforce 8600 (legacy), geforce 760 and geforce 960).  For trouble purposes, I recommend trying the proprietary drivers.
[02:49] <valorie> I will try that, thank you
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_akregator build #84: FAILURE in 6 min 9 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_akregator/84/
[08:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_akregator build #124: FAILURE in 6 min 52 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_akregator/124/
[08:41] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_akregator build #106: FAILURE in 7 min 42 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akregator/106/
[08:50] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_akregator build #85: STILL FAILING in 4 min 37 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_akregator/85/
[08:51] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_akregator build #125: STILL FAILING in 5 min 45 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_akregator/125/
[08:52] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_akregator build #107: STILL FAILING in 5 min 9 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_akregator/107/
[09:06] <DarinMiller> Good morning lordievader
[09:08] <lordievader> Hey DarinMiller 
 hi Darin and lordievader
[09:09] <DarinMiller> hi clivejo
[09:10] <lordievader> o.
[09:10] <lordievader> o/*
[09:10] <acheronuk> morning
[09:11] <DarinMiller> moring Rik
[09:11] <clivejo> another miserable day :/
[09:13] <clivejo> DarinMiller: regarding https://code.launchpad.net/~darinmiller/kubuntu-packaging/+git/akregator/+merge/320273
[09:13]  * DarinMiller hopes clivejo is referencing the weather....
[09:13] <DarinMiller> yes....
[09:13] <acheronuk> cheerful
[09:13] <clivejo> we normally wildcard the arch, as we are building on multiple arch types
[09:14] <clivejo> so the x86_64-linux-gnu in our packaging should be *
[09:14] <DarinMiller> I was just about to mention akregator mp... 
[09:14] <acheronuk> whoops. should not do MP's when not quite awake!
[09:15] <acheronuk> s/do/approve
[09:15] <DarinMiller> wildcard the path?
[09:15] <clivejo> no biggie
[09:15] <clivejo> just the arch bit
[09:16] <DarinMiller> ^ in lintian-rides?
[09:16] <DarinMiller> overrides?
[09:16] <clivejo> while that would shut lintian up under amd64 arch
[09:16] <clivejo> others will still complain
[09:17] <clivejo> you could even wildcard the lib version
[09:17] <DarinMiller> Good to know, I just changed  target filename and kept the existing path.  Did not know to wildcard the path....
[09:17] <DarinMiller> oh, cool
[09:17] <acheronuk> when I last staged and merged in unstable, I discovered a path I had forgot to wildcard on KCI. ;)
[09:18] <acheronuk> which made the other staged arches fail!
[09:18] <clivejo> so non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/*/libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.* usr/lib/*/libakregatorinterfaces.so whould be more suitable IMO
[09:18] <DarinMiller> Ok,  I was just about to paste something similar :)
[09:19] <DarinMiller> akregator: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/*/libakregatorinterfaces.so.* usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so
[09:19] <DarinMiller> I see, keep the .5 on the file name.
[09:19] <DarinMiller> OK, submitting new mp shortly
[09:20] <clivejo> its just that if that major version changes we kinda need to know
[09:20] <clivejo> so anything that complains about it and lets someone know would be a bennifit
[09:20] <DarinMiller> when  I built locally, the build succeeded, but produced this line:
[09:20] <DarinMiller> W: akregator: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.4.3 usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so
[09:21] <acheronuk> not so crucial in a lintian override, but yes. need to not be too generousness with the version wildcards so that can get a warming if they bump the lib from .5 to .6 say
[09:21] <DarinMiller> should I add that line to lintian also even though lintian  test passes?
[09:22] <clivejo> but I can be a bit OTT on some matters
[09:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[09:22] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_akregator build #126: FIXED in 11 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_akregator/126/
[09:22] <clivejo> in the case of KCI or Neon that patch is totally valid
[09:23] <clivejo> but more that out into staging or archive, it will start to complain due to the different archs
[09:23] <DarinMiller> ack
[09:23] <clivejo> we are building 5or 6 different archs in the staging PPA
[09:24] <DarinMiller> yes, understood.  
[09:25] <DarinMiller> so regarding the lintiain line I posted above ^
[09:25] <clivejo> sorry, just being overly verbose incase someone who wants to learn this is interested
[09:25] <DarinMiller> should I add that line also to lintianwith wild cards of course
[09:25] <DarinMiller> np. I appreceiate the thoroughness :)
[09:26] <clivejo> no, no, just wildcard the version
[09:26] <clivejo> for me libakregatorinterfaces.so.* is a bit too much
[09:27] <clivejo> I would leave the .5 there, but thats just so Id get multiple warnings if they bumped that version
[09:27] <yofel> moin
[09:27] <DarinMiller> Mornin' Phil!
[09:28] <acheronuk> morning :)
[09:28] <clivejo> but as acheronukpoints out, its only a lintian warning, and one would hope we arent relying on lintian to detect it!
[09:28] <clivejo> yo Phil!
[09:28] <DarinMiller> clivejo: the other line at 17:20
[09:28] <DarinMiller> clivejo: or see lintian section here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24200451/
[09:32] <DarinMiller> So ignore or add this line to lintian also: W: akregator: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.4.3 usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so
[09:33] <clivejo> no no
[09:33] <clivejo> wildcard it
[09:33] <clivejo> anywhere you see x86_64-linux-gnu change it to *
[09:33] <DarinMiller> nm, I thought that was different file reference.  
[09:33] <clivejo> * means accept any value
[09:34] <DarinMiller> I understand.  I just can't read :)
[09:34] <clivejo> and wildcard the version so libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.4.3 becomes libakregatorinterfaces.so.5.*
[09:34] <clivejo> this will then pattern match both versions you have seen and override the warning
[09:35] <DarinMiller> When I looked at the line earlier today, I thought it was flagging a different file.... 
[09:35] <clivejo> if it was a different file then yes, take a new line
[09:35]  * DarinMiller needs to grab his reading glasses....
[09:35] <clivejo> but its the same file, just two different versions
[09:36] <clivejo> unstable is building KDE git master
[09:36] <DarinMiller> yes, I see now, I apollogize for not paying closer attention. :)
[09:37] <clivejo> its not attention, its just mistakes Ive made in the past 
[09:37] <clivejo> :/
[09:37] <clivejo> I tend to learn things the hard way!
[09:38]  * acheronuk syncs daily isos
[09:40] <acheronuk> must add the KCI one to my script if that is working for zsync now :)
[09:41] <clivejo> do you script it to do it over night?
[09:41] <yofel> it does (rsync too)
[09:43]  * clivejo was considering begging my WISP provider in allowing me more off-peak speed in return for not using it so much at peak times
[09:44] <acheronuk> ummmm. the zsync link is https which zsync doesn't support
[09:45] <clivejo> at the moment every update from KCI is about 300Mb
[09:45] <clivejo> eakkk
[09:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #1371: SUCCESS in 57 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/1371/
[09:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #1371: SUCCESS in 1 min 0 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/1371/
[09:48] <yofel> duh
[09:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #1371: SUCCESS in 3 min 43 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/1371/
[09:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-02 build #1371: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-02/1371/
[09:49] <yofel> great, uhm, lets see if I can exclude that from the ssl path :/
[09:50] <yofel> there's https://launchpad.net/zsync-curl though, wonder why that never got anywhere near the archive
[10:04] <acheronuk> the KCI iso runs :)
[10:05] <DarinMiller> cool!
[10:05] <clivejo> DarinMiller: you are still missing the wildcard in the last bit
[10:05] <clivejo>  usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libakregatorinterfaces.so
[10:05] <DarinMiller> OK, fixing now.
[10:05] <DarinMiller> deleting mp....
[10:06] <clivejo> anywhere you see  usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu is locking that to a certain arch
[10:09] <yofel> acheronuk: try now
[10:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:10] <yofel> hey
[10:11] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[10:12] <acheronuk> yofel: I still get redirected to https to view the index page ins a browser and the link shows there as https..... but
[10:12] <acheronuk> https://kci.pangea.pub/images/iso_zesty_unstable_amd64/current/kubuntu-ci-unstable-zesty-amd64.iso.zsync works
 Lost WiFi at the hotel...
[10:13] <acheronuk> I mean zsync that WITHOUT the https works
[10:15]  * DarinMiller 's wifi is on again...
[10:16] <yofel> the browser caches the 301, wipe the cache and the redirect should stop
[10:18] <acheronuk> yofel. so it does :)
[10:24]  * DarinMiller 's mp skills are improving. He can almost complete an entrire mp with family friendly language and related side comments.
[10:27] <DarinMiller> I don't understand the 301 reference and cache wipe... Was someone encountering issues with previous zsync's and bad cache?
[10:47] <acheronuk> my browser was just remembering the 301 response when trying to go to the http link and redirecting to https. had to clear cache so it could stop doing that and get to the restored http one
[10:47] <acheronuk> I *think*, anyway....
[10:54] <DarinMiller> ack
[11:06] <yofel> DarinMiller: HTTP 301 is "moved permanently" - so browsers remember that instead of asking every time
[11:39] <DarinMiller> why would akonadi build fine in kde applications but not on KCI zesty_unstable (both versions 4:16.12.3)?
[12:02] <yofel> DarinMiller: packaging says 4:16.12.3, but code is actually git master
[12:05] <DarinMiller> so code may actually be future apps 17.04?
[12:06] <yofel> right
[12:06] <yofel> that's the purpose of _unstable, to check what needs to be changed for the next release
[12:07] <yofel> we had builds from the current stable branch, i.e. Applications/16.12 in the CI in the past. But that's currently broken and I'll need some more time to bring that back
[12:09] <DarinMiller> what happened? How was packaging broken?
[12:10] <yofel> that's fine. What's broken is the CI code that sets the correct branch for each job, so after we moved from debian to launchpad git, all stable builds would also build from master
[12:10] <yofel> and manually configuring some 250 jobs for each release doesn't quite work
[12:10] <yofel> (each time you update something)
[12:11] <DarinMiller> So we need to fix a script or two?
[12:12] <yofel> yes, do you know ruby?
[12:13] <DarinMiller> I have seen ruby code and it seems reasonable.  But I have never written anything with Ruby.
[12:14]  * DarinMiller thinks Ruby seems much easier than the basic Chinese he is attempting to learn while abroad...
[12:19] <DarinMiller> Is the ruby script in question part of the KA tools?
[12:20] <yofel> it probably is easier, heh
[12:21] <yofel> sorry, I'm a bit short on time right now. But the tooling itself is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci-admins/kubuntu-ci/+git/pangea-tooling
[12:21] <clivejo> ahhh bovine excrement
[12:21] <yofel> huh?!?
[12:21] <clivejo> I thought Id got Mycroft working
[12:22] <clivejo> but"an error occurring while processing a request in KRunnerPlasmaDesktop skill
[12:23] <clivejo> dratts
[12:24] <clivejo> well, I guess Im a little closer
[12:36]  * DarinMiller stares in awe at then number of pangea-tooling scripts
[12:38]  * DarinMiller reads the pangea-tooling README and proceeds to install ruby and bundler
[13:29] <ahoneybun> o/
[13:29] <ahoneybun> morning DarinMiller
[13:32] <DarinMiller> g'morning Aaron!
[13:33]  * ahoneybun drinks coffee
[13:35]  * DarinMiller eats a banana for an evening snack
[13:36] <ahoneybun> well it's 9:30am here lol
[13:37]  * acheronuk drinks coffee
[13:37] <acheronuk> with chocolate
[13:53] <ahoneybun> ovidiuflorin valorie yofel mamarley  claydoh Darin Meeting in 5 mins
[13:53] <mamarley> ‽
[13:53] <ahoneybun> oops
[13:54] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: was that not 15:00 UTC?
[13:55] <acheronuk> maybe I read wrong.....
[13:55] <ahoneybun> I think that is now in my tz
[13:55] <DarinMiller> It's DST that is causing the confusion.
[13:55] <acheronuk> no DST here yet. I am on UTC
[13:56] <acheronuk> it is 13:56 here
[13:56] <DarinMiller> I scheduled it for 8:00am Mountain time before DST.  
[13:56] <ahoneybun> so still 1 hour?
[13:56]  * acheronuk is not on a mountain
[13:56] <acheronuk> or even near one
[13:57] <DarinMiller> Is DST observed in Northern Europe and UK?
[13:58] <DarinMiller> I am fine with now or an hour from now.  Whatever works for everyone.
[13:58] <acheronuk> BST (British Summer Time) starts on Sunday, 26 March
[13:58] <acheronuk> BST = DST here
[13:58] <DarinMiller> Oh.  Ok.
[13:58] <ahoneybun> mm very confused
[13:59] <acheronuk> that's the point of UTC. same everywhere
[14:00] <DarinMiller> Doodle was not very clear that dates I picked spanned a time change, so something to think about when scheduling meetings in spring and fall.
[14:01] <Mamarok> I have written it dfown for 15 UTC, thats an hour from now
[14:01] <Mamarok> down*
[14:02] <Mamarok> and since I have to run some errands before that, I would rather do this in an hour
[14:02] <DarinMiller> Alright, meeting in an hour.
[14:03] <ahoneybun> clivejo: https://community.kde.org/Incubator/Projects/BabeQt
[14:49]  * DarinMiller is using the extra hour to "pre-answer" anticipated questions.  Hopefully will save time for everyone...
[14:52] <ahoneybun> good idea
[14:52] <ahoneybun> I should make questions lol
[14:57] <ahoneybun> so is it almost 15UTC?
[14:58] <DarinMiller> yes
 Bing bong
[15:01] <DarinMiller> any volunteers to do the role call?
[15:03] <clivejo> here
[15:03] <DarinMiller> According to the doodle, Clive, Jader, Aaron, Ovidu, Jose, Simon, Phil and Rik said they could make it.
[15:03] <clivejo> acheronuk yofel you there?
[15:04] <DarinMiller> Paulo, Valorie, Myriam and Walter could not.
[15:04] <ahoneybun> valorie is +1 tho
[15:04] <acheronuk> ping: yofel ahoneybun Mamarok ovidiuflorin claydoh 
[15:04] <clivejo> so Mr Miller, who are you?
[15:04] <ahoneybun> wait
[15:05] <yofel> there now
[15:05] <yofel> need a minute or two though
[15:05]  * acheronuk lurks
[15:05]  * DarinMiller whistles for a couple minutes....
[15:06] <wxl> i'm here
[15:06] <clivejo> you can start by telling us who you are
[15:06] <DarinMiller> Hi Walter, glad you could make it!
[15:07] <ahoneybun> let me place the holder
[15:07] <DarinMiller> Don't wait for Phil?
[15:07] <yofel> just go ahead
[15:07] <ahoneybun> [15:07]  * Mamarok is in
[15:07] <DarinMiller> My about me can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/~darinmiller
[15:08] <DarinMiller> In short, I am a semiconductor engineer from Boise, ID who loves computers.
[15:09] <DarinMiller> I also like hiking, mt biking, back packing, road biking, skiing and about anything outdoors.
[15:09] <Mamarok> you live in the perfect place for that :-)
[15:10] <clivejo> Is Kubuntu about computers?
[15:10] <DarinMiller> Yes, Idaho is a great place for outdoor activity.  
[15:11] <wxl> good question, clivejo 
[15:11] <DarinMiller> For some people Kubuntu is about computer. For me its much deeper.
[15:11] <DarinMiller> Open source is an excellent example of human collaboration and sharing. IMHO, it exemplifies how all technology should be shared. The open source concept of sharing/helping fellow man coincides with my philosophy of life.
[15:11] <clivejo> how did you end up being a user of Ubuntu/Kubuntu or other flavor/flavour?
[15:12] <DarinMiller> Have a pre typed answer: 
[15:12] <DarinMiller> In its earlier days, Ubuntu was "a near bleeding edge" distro with simplifled debian packaging.  Of the several distro's that I have tried, debian's .deb files and PPA's keep package/library management within reach of an "average" PC user.   In order to appeal the masses, we needed to keep the linux adoption technical barrier to a minimum.  I feel the *buntu distro's acheive that goal.
[15:12] <DarinMiller> As explained in my "about me" section of my Ubuntu wiki, KDE earned my acceptance by allowing me to do things the way I wanted. Thus, Kubuntu is my desktop of choice.
[15:13]  * clivejo cross checks the facts and dates 
[15:13]  * genii makes more coffee and settles in
[15:13] <wxl> what's the K stand for?
[15:13] <DarinMiller> K is for the KDE desktop envior.
[15:13] <ahoneybun> Kool Desktop Environment
[15:14] <wxl> ah ha!
[15:14] <Mamarok> guys, can you remember we are in 2017? KDEis a community, not a desktop
[15:14] <DarinMiller> Similar to the other flavor of Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Edbuntu, now defunct Mediabuntu.
[15:14] <DarinMiller> lol
[15:14] <wxl> Mamarok: exactly! you get a bonus point
[15:14]  * clivejo looks for his gold star stickers
[15:14] <Mamarok> thx, first time I get a point here, thx ;-)
[15:14]  * ahoneybun will always remember KDE as a desktop
[15:15] <wxl> in that sense the "K" means something very similar to what Ubuntu is meant to imply to the project
[15:15] <Mamarok> ahoneybun: remember, but stop saying it is a desktop
[15:15] <DarinMiller> "I am who am because of who we are".
[15:15] <clivejo> it is many things :)
[15:15] <ahoneybun> Mamarok: would we be Pubuntu now then?
[15:15] <clivejo> a big family
[15:16] <Mamarok> ahoneybun: not at all, you miss the point, again :-)
[15:16] <wxl> ahoneybun: because Ubuntu only happens in pubs? :)
[15:16] <acheronuk> Pub-untu sounds fun
[15:16] <ahoneybun> anyway
[15:16] <clivejo> You mention you are a Kubuntu Ninja, what is one of those?
[15:16] <yofel> no no no, if anything please go with fluffy, that's the only fork that I'm ever going to recognise ;P
[15:17] <clivejo> sounds painful and violent
[15:17] <DarinMiller> ? I have not claimed to be a Ninja.
[15:17]  * acheronuk did not get his sword or throwing stars yet
[15:17] <clivejo> replace are with want to be
[15:17]  * yofel hands acheronuk a fez
[15:17] <acheronuk> lol
[15:18] <clivejo> why would you want to hurt people?
[15:18] <DarinMiller> Yes, Ninja can be quite powerful when they so choose.
[15:19] <wxl> what do you hoep to accomplish as a ninja, DarinMiller ?
[15:19] <DarinMiller> They a have to power to change lives for the betrer or worse-specifically via packaging uploads to the repos.
[15:20] <DarinMiller> As a ninja, I hope to responsibly upload packages and stage new releases.
[15:20]  * DarinMiller thought this was kubuntu membership meeting.
[15:21] <ahoneybun> clivejo: what is with this Ninja stuff?
[15:21] <clivejo> we cant have you copy and pasting all your answers :P
[15:21] <DarinMiller> kubuntu membership = ninja?
[15:21] <yofel> there's nothing wrong with talking about general future plans in the membership meeting
[15:21] <ahoneybun> DarinMiller: what willl you do with membership?
[15:22] <DarinMiller> ok
[15:22] <clivejo> Its a goal, I wanted to know why he wants to be a ninja
[15:22] <DarinMiller> ahh, understood now.
[15:22] <clivejo> so Im guess one of your interests is packaging?
[15:22] <acheronuk> also looks to be one of the main ways you plan to contribute
[15:23] <clivejo> can you show us or give examples of how you have contributed to date?
[15:23] <DarinMiller> yes, I would like to be able fix all aspects of packaging and upload new packages as needed.
[15:23] <yofel> as I wasn't around much lately and can't really see it on the wiki page: what have you been doing in/with and for kubuntu so far? Anything else?
[15:25] <DarinMiller> I have contributed very little independenlty, but I have helped fix lintial issues, control files deps, and made a very minor mod to one of the KA scripts.
[15:25] <clivejo> minor mod?
[15:25] <acheronuk> very useful mod IIR ^^^
[15:25] <clivejo> I think you are selling yourself short there!
[15:26]  * clivejo was very frustrated with the tooling prior to that fix
[15:26] <DarinMiller> From coding perspective, it was well within my skillset, so the mod seemed minor to me.
[15:27] <clivejo> well it was much appreciated 
[15:27] <yofel> when did you start hanging out here and how did you end up in this channel?
[15:27] <DarinMiller> That's another reason I like this team. I feel my efforts are appreciated. 
[15:28] <DarinMiller> And that encourages me to want to do more.
[15:30] <DarinMiller> I started hanging out here about a year and half ago.  I noticed backport upates were lagging and I saw that some main kubuntu members had left, so I tried to determine if Kunbuntu needed assistance.
[15:30] <yofel> now that you mention it...
[15:31] <DarinMiller> I never knew these IRC channels existed before that time.
[15:32] <DarinMiller> In fact, I did not know how to use IRC prior to last year.
[15:32] <yofel> yay, for finding ours then :D
[15:32] <yofel> and now I finally know again why your name didn't really feel that unfamiliar lately ^^
[15:33] <clivejo> is there anything the community could do to help people make that step easier?
 Just lost internet at the hotel
[15:36] <DarinMiller> clivejo attempted to train me much earlier but with work and other events, I did not dedicate enought time to learn the packaging ropes until recently.
[15:37] <DarinMiller> Ok, back I think....
[15:37] <clivejo> is there anything the community could do to help people make that step easier?
[15:37] <DarinMiller> clivejo: Do you mean the Kubuntu community?
[15:37] <clivejo> yes
[15:38] <clivejo> in your own experience, what have been the good encouraging points and what have been the points that have discouraged you?
[15:39] <DarinMiller> I think the Kubuntu community with the #kubuntu channel (which is posted on the website) is off to a good start.
[15:40] <DarinMiller> I recommend people participate in their local communtiies, whether community ed classes if available or via technical outreach programs via their local employers.
[15:42] <DarinMiller> Personally, I have skipped some of the community ed opportunities as I the state of Kubuntu was in transition and too many things were broken.
[15:43] <DarinMiller> Simple things in early kde 4 were broken such as volume control, certain key apps would crash.
[15:44] <clivejo> is that something you see yourself also working on?  spreading the word and helping new people ?
[15:44] <DarinMiller> I did not want to introduce new people a buggy enviro.  I feel that if I can help improve the end user experience, I will be much more prepared to share it with others.
[15:45] <DarinMiller> So short answer, yes.
[15:45] <clivejo> do you feel more confident now, say with Zesty to go out and showcase it?
[15:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #1372: SUCCESS in 57 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/1372/
[15:46] <wxl> DarinMiller: have you had any contact with the Ubuntu Idaho LoCo out of curiousity?
[15:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #1372: SUCCESS in 1 min 3 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/1372/
[15:46] <DarinMiller> As mentioned in my wiki page, my technically minded coworkers seemed disinterested. The general communtiy is much more curious and receptive.
[15:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #1372: SUCCESS in 3 min 39 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/1372/
[15:48] <DarinMiller> Back in 2009 or 2010, Paul Wilch and I attempted to promote the Ubuntu Idaho LoCo.  But the linux interest in the area was very low and we were competing with an established BLUG (Boise Linux user group).
[15:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-02 build #1372: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-02/1372/
[15:49] <wxl> if you still have interest in that regard, i have some suggestions on how you could potential resolve that issue
[15:49] <wxl> see me after the meeting
[15:49]  * wxl pours some lapsang souchong
[15:49] <DarinMiller> Our name may still be on the Ubuntu Idaho contact list, but I have not attempted to revive that effort.
[15:50] <clivejo> anyone else have questions for Darin?
[15:51] <clivejo> or DarinMiller have you any questions for us?
[15:51] <yofel> -
[15:52] <DarinMiller> No, I have not questions that need to answered at the moment.
[15:52] <clivejo> happy enough with the initiation cemetery then :)
[15:52] <clivejo> grr ceremony
[15:52] <DarinMiller> uh, yes ?
[15:53] <DarinMiller> yes :)
[15:53] <acheronuk> I would note that timezone and work have hindered Darin contributing as much as he would have preferred I think
[15:53] <acheronuk> so please take that into account ;)
[15:54]  * DarinMiller agrees with acheronuk statement!
[15:55] <yofel> aaron disappeared?
[15:56]  * clivejo thinks its probably voting time
[15:57] <acheronuk> nearly 11pm for Darin where he is I think
[15:57] <yofel> right, so ping ahoneybun Mamarok ovidiuflorin claydoh 
[15:57] <DarinMiller> 12pm
[15:57] <acheronuk> yikes
[15:57] <acheronuk> midnight
[15:57] <ahoneybun> +1 from me
[15:57]  * DarinMiller took a nap today and tomorrow is Sunday, so not a problem
[15:57] <yofel> +1 as well
[15:57] <clivejo> +1 from me
[15:57] <acheronuk> valorie left a +1
[15:57] <wxl> +1
[15:58] <Mamarok> +1 from me, too. Good job, DarinMiller
[15:58] <acheronuk> +1 from me
[15:58] <yofel> then we're done, welcome
[15:58] <acheronuk> \o/
[15:58] <DarinMiller> Excellent!
[15:58]  * wxl high fives @Darkwing 
[15:58] <wxl> um
[15:58] <wxl> no
[15:58] <acheronuk> lol
[15:58] <wxl> @DarinMiller i mean!
[15:58] <DarinMiller> Thanks for time everyone!
[15:58]  * genii throws punchcard confetti around
[15:58] <clivejo> Congrats Darin
[15:58] <ahoneybun> [15:59] <acheronuk> congratulations :)
[15:59] <acheronuk> and welcome
[15:59] <DarinMiller> Thanks acheronuk
[15:59] <DarinMiller> I am very happy to be part of the team.
[16:00] <acheronuk> very pleased to have you Darin
[16:00] <clivejo> you were already part of it, this just makes it official :)
[16:00] <Mamarok> welcome to the club, DarinMiller :-)
[16:01] <ahoneybun> added DarinMiller to the members on LP
[16:01] <DarinMiller> Thanks Mamarok and clivejo
[16:01]  * DarinMiller oh great... more stuff to configure....
[16:02] <DarinMiller> :)
[16:02] <clivejo> BTW has that git access for Kubuntu members been resolved?
[16:03] <yofel> seems so
[16:03] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: don't forget that you get benefit same as a ubuntu member :)
[16:03] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Perks
[16:03] <acheronuk> *benefits
[16:03] <clivejo> so, next on the agenda
[16:04] <acheronuk> we have an agenda?
[16:04] <clivejo> oh yes...
[16:05]  * DarinMiller now gets a cloack on freenode
[16:05] <wxl> $ echo $agenda
[16:05] <wxl> …
[16:05] <yofel> we technically always have one, it usually only has one item :D
[16:05] <clivejo> well Simon's git access
[16:06] <wxl> has he requested it to be returned?
[16:06]  * DarinMiller thinks wxl is funny :)
[16:06] <wxl> i figured as such
[16:07] <clivejo> hes made a few subtle hints, from time to time :P
[16:07] <acheronuk> *** chokes laughing *** ^^^
[16:08] <Mamarok> are we in a rush for his git access? Or does he need a reinforced lesson?
[16:09] <clivejo> I would like to think he now understand the error of his actions that lead to revoking them
[16:09] <Mamarok> if everybody is comfortable with it, no objections from me
[16:10] <clivejo> and he's indicated to the -devel team that he will consult and work closer in future 
[16:10] <wxl> i think we should give him a clear indication of what will happen if he does it again
[16:10] <acheronuk> I would have liked to have seen more of what was sort of agreed when it was revoked actually done, but think as long as it's on a probationary basis that it's more likely to help if restored
[16:11] <wxl> like maybe loss of privs with a defined time
[16:11] <wxl> like, a year or something
[16:12] <clivejo> I'd like to think that it will not happen again and that is something we never have to consider
[16:12] <wxl> i'd like to think that, too
[16:12] <acheronuk> ditto ^^^
[16:12] <wxl> but i think it's important to be clear
[16:12] <yofel> agreed, but we should've set some kind of time limit from the very beginning. Right now it just leaves him hanging in the void
[16:13] <clivejo> it was shame that we had to consider placing restrictions to people contributing in the first place
[16:14]  * DarinMiller nods agreeing with everyone's input
[16:14] <clivejo> but I do feel we need to draw a line under it, and if Simon sticks to what he has promised then things should be fine
[16:14] <acheronuk> yofel: agreed. in hindsight
 @yofel, That right there is why I haven't done much lately. I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 NOW I do
[16:16] <clivejo> tsimonq2: thats a good life lesson
[16:16] <acheronuk> I for one hoped that things would change fairly rapidly so privs could be restored. but things did not go that way.
[16:16] <yofel> indeed
[16:17] <wxl> acheronuk: to be clear, what things were you hoping to see?
[16:17] <wxl> perhaps tsimonq2 can explain why they did not occur?
[16:18] <clivejo> wxl: I guess the points on the email reply
[16:18] <clivejo> documentation etc
[16:18] <clivejo> things that don't need LP commit access to do
[16:18] <wxl> which email is this again?
[16:18] <acheronuk> https://lists.launchpad.net/kubuntu-council/msg00180.html
[16:18] <wxl> thx
[16:19] <wxl> well, tsimonq2 ?
[16:20] <clivejo> those are some very valid issues which affect us
[16:21] <clivejo> and I was very impressed by him offering to work on them
[16:26] <acheronuk> back shortly..
[16:35] <acheronuk> BBB today?
[16:50] <acheronuk> that seems a no. ok
[16:50]  * acheronuk cooks chilli
[16:51] <clivejo> ouppss sorry
[16:51] <clivejo> was busy posting a news story!
[16:51] <clivejo> http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-has-a-new-member-darin-miller/
 what version of knmail should I have in yakkety?
 I have 5.2 .3
 but the interface looks different
[16:53] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: Ovi One will you check over that news post please
 so I missed that meeting?
[16:55]  * clivejo nods
 looks good to me
 congrats darin
 DarinMiller: congratulations
 cliejo: when is the BBB meeting on?
 now?
[16:58] <DarinMiller> Thanks ovidiuflorin!
 clivejo is not coming. Darin is past midnight where he is, and I am cooking....
 so maybe no BBB today?
[16:59] <DarinMiller> Time for bed for me...
[17:01] <clivejo> good night Darin, sweet dreams!
[18:17] <acheronuk> yofel: has KCI stopped responding to LP git webhooks?
[18:23] <yofel> *headdesk*
[18:24] <yofel> yeah... it might have...
[18:24] <acheronuk> yofel: oh, whatever recent change was made seem to now want webhook url to be https
[18:24] <yofel> meh, I guess forcing https was not that great of an idea :S
[18:25] <yofel> hm, then again, a webhook update should fix that?
[18:25] <acheronuk> know how to automate that on 300+ repos?
[18:26] <yofel> acheronuk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/view/head:/bin/manage-repo-webhooks
[18:27] <yofel> but I'll remove the redirect as well for now
[18:27] <acheronuk> so change the baseurl for that, and it would see every repo as needing an update I guess.
[18:29] <yofel> question is if there's any manual hooks somewhere
[18:29] <yofel> let me get that working over http in any case
[18:29] <acheronuk> ok.
[18:30] <yofel> that script is really just for easy adding of hooks for new repositories
[18:31] <acheronuk> at least I know know that exists. I should probably have a close look at all those scripts again. 
[18:31] <acheronuk> *now know
[18:39] <acheronuk> urgh http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#akonadi
[18:41] <acheronuk> acc test failures on the stuff rebuilt against akonadi for the tests. -fno-keep-inline-functions now needed on the new GCC
[18:42] <yofel> -.-
[18:43] <acheronuk> was hoping enough were previously badtested to skip past that, but seems not. :/
[18:44] <yofel> removed the force https for now. Login redirects you to https anyway so I guess that's ~ok
[18:44] <acheronuk> thx :)
[18:47] <acheronuk> hmmm... do I risk breaking PIM worse? or just copy neon, and make that directory /var/lib/mysql-files via our setting package that won't have an issue getting through proposed?
[18:54] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_k3b build #53: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_k3b/53/
[19:02] <acheronuk> unless anyone has objections, then I think the latter? easier to revert, and I honestly am not sure I have the will to fight with the old PIM stack
[19:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_k3b build #60: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_k3b/60/
[19:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_k3b build #49: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_k3b/49/
[19:09] <clivejo> yofel: did you mention you intend to kill yakkety this weekend?
[19:09] <yofel> hm. If the old PIM can work with the newer akonadi that's worth a try I guess
[19:09] <yofel> yes, though I got distracted as usual >.>
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_tooling build #75: STILL FAILING in 38 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling/75/
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Philip Muškovac: Remove yakkety from active series list
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Failed tests:
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- CI::ContainmentTest.test_run: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling/75/testReport/junit/junit/(root)/CI__ContainmentTest/test_run
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- CI::ContainmentTest.test_run_env: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling/75/testReport/junit/junit/(root)/CI__ContainmentTest/test_run_env
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- CI::ContainmentTest.test_run_fail: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling/75/testReport/junit/junit/(root)/CI__ContainmentTest/test_run_fail
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- CI::ContainmentTest.test_ulimit: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling/75/testReport/junit/junit/(root)/CI__ContainmentTest/test_ulimit
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- DeployUpgradeTest.test_no_argv0: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling/75/testReport/junit/junit/(root)/DeployUpgradeTest/test_no_argv0
[19:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- (2 more)
[19:12] <clivejo> can I remove yakkety packages from unstable PPA?
[19:13] <yofel> go ahead, I'm figuring out the right regex to wipe the jobs
[19:13] <acheronuk> add to dirs or postinst script.....? hmmm
[19:14] <yofel> mysql-files? dirs
[19:14] <acheronuk> yep
[19:16] <clivejo> acheronuk: you ok with me klearing all yakkety packages from unstable PPA?
[19:16] <acheronuk> clivejo: please please please please please do :P
[19:16] <yofel> jobs gone
[19:16] <clivejo> LOL I will take great pleasure in running this command!
[19:17] <yofel> views gone
[19:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_tooling_deploy » master build #15: SUCCESS in 24 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling_deploy/label=master/15/
[19:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_tooling_deploy » linode-01 build #15: SUCCESS in 25 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling_deploy/label=linode-01/15/
[19:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_tooling_deploy » swy-01 build #15: SUCCESS in 56 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling_deploy/label=swy-01/15/
[19:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_tooling_deploy » swy-02 build #15: SUCCESS in 1 min 0 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling_deploy/label=swy-02/15/
[19:19] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #1373: SUCCESS in 48 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/1373/
[19:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #1373: SUCCESS in 48 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/1373/
[19:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #1373: SUCCESS in 2 min 30 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/1373/
[19:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-02 build #1373: SUCCESS in 2 min 44 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-02/1373/
[19:25] <clivejo> as a release goes, I don't like yakkety :/
[19:26] <acheronuk> I liked it at the time...
[19:26] <acheronuk> but it has proved to have some niggles and oddities since
[19:27] <acheronuk> clivejo: any decision on kickoff favs?
[19:27] <clivejo> I'd like to go ahead with it
[19:28] <acheronuk> clivejo: you going to have time to do it?
[19:29] <clivejo> its just adding a file
[19:30] <clivejo> just don't want the backlash from people who dont like it or arent happy with the selected apps
[19:30] <acheronuk> please add konsole then. that is my only big pref
[19:31] <acheronuk> well, people have had the chance to have their say. so tough.
[19:54] <valorie> congratulations DarinMiller! 
[19:54] <valorie> sorry I had to miss your meeting
[21:32] <acheronuk> Hi. how about changing the default user 'face' for zesty?
[21:33] <acheronuk> currently it's this freakish thing! 
 (Photo, 283x174) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/j9m60kCC/file_2208.jpg
[21:33] <clivejo> it is rather freakish :/
[21:34] <clivejo> what does a konqi look like? 
[21:34] <acheronuk> maybe a little konqui?
[21:35] <acheronuk> there is http://i.imgur.com/dKKO3mB.png
[21:35] <acheronuk> a konqui there
[21:36] <acheronuk> or could have ours
[21:41] <acheronuk> konqui from: http://kubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/4625/kubuntu_16.10_Yakkety_Yak_ver2.svg
[21:41] <acheronuk> maybe
 http://i.imgur.com/vweMdzw.png
[21:51] <valorie> I like the Konqui from the choices http://i.imgur.com/dKKO3mB.png
[21:51] <valorie> I agree the standard is really weird
[21:53] <acheronuk> http://i.imgur.com/INnVP8c.png
[21:54]  * acheronuk tries a test package
[21:56] <valorie> mmmm, don't really like that one
[21:56] <valorie> but I guess it's better than the standard
[21:59] <acheronuk> valorie: oh, the green one..
[22:00] <valorie> yup
[22:00] <valorie> he's a cutie
[22:07] <clivejo> the one with its tongue out?
[22:07] <acheronuk> looks a bit weird as well on the kickoff and lockscreen?
[22:07] <acheronuk> http://i.imgur.com/fBBsyrf.png
[22:07] <acheronuk> I was trying for something neutral (ish)
[22:08] <acheronuk> problem is so much is personal taste
[22:10] <clivejo> I can't seem to add a custom one :/
[22:11] <acheronuk> clivejo: you seem to have to log out and in again to make a change take effect on the kickoff
[22:11] <acheronuk> or maybe restart plasma?
[22:12] <valorie> I like him
[22:13] <valorie> but as you say, all down to individual taste
[22:16]  * acheronuk wonders what clivejo is choosing...
[22:19] <acheronuk> the konqui off the yakkety banner just looks like a blob if you reduce his size. shame. :/ I like that.
 A wee blue mouse!
[22:22] <valorie> I've seen somewhere, maybe the forums, lots of little konquis
[22:22] <valorie> but I'm not sure about just faces
[22:22] <valorie> mouse=xubuntu
[22:22] <valorie> to me
[22:23] <acheronuk> I would rather stay with a KDE theme for it
[22:23] <valorie> me too
 (Photo, 1280x1201) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/u3VGinky/file_2210.jpg
[22:25] <acheronuk> start button maybe for that mouse. doesn't really strike me as a user icon/face though
 Just playing with the Ubuntu button
 Made it blue instead of orange
 there is a ubuntu button like that where?
[22:27] <valorie> I think I put my own face in there
 (Photo, 1280x1231) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/r7TEXbUz/file_2212.jpg
 Ubuntu button doesn't look nice
 not at all!
[22:36] <acheronuk> https://kver.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/buzz-buzz/
[22:39] <valorie> Ken is cool
[22:39] <valorie> the avatars ..... not so much
[22:39] <valorie> I'm glad they are making some new ones
 that was 2015. so I think we have what we have now!
[22:41] <valorie> http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/customization/icons/avatars/?q=avatars&offset=27
[22:42] <valorie> I don't like ones that hop around though
 png only for this I think.
[22:44] <valorie> somebody should have sets of them on the KDE store!
[22:44] <valorie> cupcakes, flowers, birds, anime -- there are a thousand sets one could design
 well, if we take one of the other defauls we have zero issue with permissions to use etc
[22:44] <valorie> hats, animals
[22:45] <valorie> of course
[22:45] <valorie> you are doing the work, so you choose what you like
 I'm making the change in kubuntu-settings, so we can easily switch if there is protest or a better choice found
[22:46] <clivejo> theres gonna be riots tomorrow :/
 yeah?
[22:47] <clivejo> indeed
[22:47] <clivejo> when everyone downloads the iso
 lets make it worth the trouble then :P
[22:47] <valorie> lol
[22:48] <clivejo> acheronuk: we could get sacked tomorrow :P
[22:49] <acheronuk> could walk under a bus tommorow
[22:49] <acheronuk> but tommorow is not quite beta-freeze ;)
[23:01] <genii> mamarley: Is there someplace on graphics-drivers PPA where old versions are archived?
[23:02] <mamarley> genii: No, we do not offer old versions.  There have been a handful of security issues that have been fixed at various points and we don't want to have to keep track of which versions are safe and which aren't.
[23:03] <genii> OK, thanks for the explanation. Guy in #ubuntu worried about going past his installed 358 looking for a deb file for it incase everything crashes and burns