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lotuspsychjegood morning to all04:44
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: \0 .04:46
lotuspsychjehey there Bashing-om04:47
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: hows the night been?04:47
Bashing-omslow, not much action ... 'buntu getting too tame ?04:47
lotuspsychjelol04:49
lotuspsychjelotus gonna wake them up04:49
Bashing-omseems they do come out when you come on :)04:50
lotuspsychje:p04:54
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: rocknroll! :p05:06
Bashing-omYer getting into the groove :) Me, I am falling asleep .05:14
Bashing-om!bootiso05:23
lotuspsychje!grub2iso05:23
lotuspsychje!isoboot05:24
Bashing-omAnd ... that's all folks - g nite05:27
lotuspsychjenite Bashing-om05:27
EastTexasHow secure is uBuntu vs Mint or Fedora or OpenSUSE or Manjaro?06:18
wafflejockEastTexas, really depends on what you mean by that exactly and what extra packages you install or configure and how you go about that06:20
wafflejockEastTexas, I've heard Mint has had issues in the past with not updating packages that had security issues, but would have to dig into those stories to see what the truth of that is Manjaro or any rolling release you will be downloading source and building so can get the latest as it comes out but that may be more or less secure/stable depending on the particular package/maintainers06:21
EastTexasI'm looking at web & graphic design apps like Krita, GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus others06:24
wafflejockBeen a long time since I've used OpenSUSE but hear they have both a regular release and a rolling release option (or at least are working on it) Fedora I've never really run... pretty much always used debian based stuff mostly due to availability of .debs originally and now cause I do web dev and it's convenient to have the same LTS on a server and my dev machine06:24
wafflejockyou can search for particular versions of packages in different versions of Ubuntu here but for the most part should be fine http://packages.ubuntu.com/06:25
wafflejockscribus is the only one I've not used at all06:25
EastTexasI use Bluefish06:25
wafflejockmm never used that one06:25
wafflejockI use IntelliJ stuff mostly phpstorm06:26
EastTexasit's good even on W706:26
wafflejockused SublimeText for a while there, VSCode isn't bad for modern JS and stuff06:26
wafflejockyah might check it uot06:26
wafflejockout*06:26
EastTexasthanks06:26
wafflejockyeah they've got that here too http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=bluefish&searchon=names&suite=yakkety&section=all06:27
EastTexasis there a way to override deny from in htaccess & send wp hackers to hell.com?06:27
wafflejockeh can do your redirects in the .conf files too don't need to use .htaccess files for the most part when you control the server06:28
wafflejockthe main apache conf in /etc/apache2 will have what's allowed from htaccess files too06:28
EastTexasI'm cheap using a shared server06:29
wafflejockhow cheap is the shared server?06:29
wafflejockif it's more than free just get a VPS :)06:29
EastTexashostmetro06:30
wafflejockhmm yeah that's pretty cheap can do a VPS for $5 though06:31
wafflejockdigital ocean or linode06:31
EastTexasI HATE digital ocean or linode all they do is try & Scrape or Hack my Site!  All IP Ranges are BLOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!06:33
wafflejockah well that's not really the providers fault06:34
wafflejockwhy not just use fail2ban06:34
wafflejockpeople come in from AWS or Azure too I'm sure or any number of other ways06:34
EastTexas I also blocked today all of 'deny from 38' due cogentco.com, psi-net.com bots & hackers    I had a string 30+06:35
EastTexas ips06:35
EastTexaswhat is fail2ban?06:36
wafflejockfail2ban will watch logs it does some regex on the files in the logs to get IP addresses of computers that are doing malicious things and bans their IP using iptables I'm pretty sure for a set amount of time06:36
wafflejockby default has some configs for ssh and smtp and some other things06:37
EastTexasI have walled off from everyone except the USA works like a charm... daily attacks from .ua, .ru, .fr, .nl06:38
wafflejockbasically I just keep my firewall locked down except ports that must be open and then have fail2ban for any services that are open to being knocked on, turn off password based ssh login and just use a pub/private key pair only open ssh for your IP06:38
wafflejockyeah if all your traffic/customers are in one region that's fine06:38
EastTexasI do USA only...06:39
wafflejockthere are also hardening tools you can run to help point out possible issues you can fix with your configuration to help lock it down more or let you know where there are potential holes06:39
EastTexasNo pays are hard in the USA, worse over the border...06:40
wafflejockfor the most part things are pretty secure to start though06:40
wafflejockyah06:40
wafflejockI've had good luck working with people internationally really06:40
EastTexasthere are a few holes here and there.. mostly .ca for some odd reason?06:40
wafflejockbut could see how that could be really bad06:41
wafflejockyeah well problem with any explicit IP range banning is those IPs might be redistributed or whatever and then you end up blocking someone because of old geoip information06:42
EastTexasInfected Jail-Broken SmartPhones06:42
EastTexasFYI - Block This Bad User Agent:* com.google.GoogleMobile/23.1.0 iPhone/10.2.1 hw/iPhone6_106:42
EastTexasit targets graphics06:43
EastTexashttp://androidforums.com/threads/the-second-half-of-mobile-security.1003172/06:44
wafflejockwas listening to a tech podcast the other day where some service wasn't letting this guy sign up because it thought he was in China because of his IP06:44
EastTexasI can relate my US ISP was sold to Canadians & they half the sites thinks I'm from there...06:46
EastTexashttps://www.webmasterworld.com/search_engine_spiders/4836796.htm06:47
EastTexasHere is a new bad UA:  Java/1.7.0_09-icedtea06:49
EastTexasI also had a bad attack from .cn today they tried over 50 times!06:50
EastTexastoo bad I can't remote format their computer 8(06:51
wafflejockEastTexas, hah ah well it happens if no one is hammering on your server it probably isn't online06:52
EastTexasThey only think I'm using WP ;}06:53
wafflejockyeah there are always tons of bots looking for old WP installs to exploit06:53
EastTexasI hate WP...06:54
wafflejockI'm with ya06:54
EastTexasI think a micro CMS might be the way to go for most sites?06:54
EastTexasyou know it's late when cooking commercials are on....06:56
EastTexasI miss the Ronco Commercials06:57
wafflejockI've got a homebrewed thing for drag and drop to make "blog pages" and has online invoicing baked into it something along the lines of what square space offers but just building it to avoid reinventing the wheel for customers we have with small businesses that want roughly the same stuff06:57
wafflejockpeople want a "blog" and sort of rightly so if they actually publish new content to it but can't deal with working with or maintaining WP06:58
wafflejockI mean I can't deal with it, but most people developers or not who have tried are of the same opinion06:59
EastTexasif it works it works, but it better be secure 4 sure06:59
EastTexasWhat I don't like WP patch this that & the other thing too...07:00
EastTexasleft the word about out...07:00
EastTexasif I could only click'n edit a post...07:01
lordievaderGood morning.07:02
wafflejockyeah keeping the plugins and themes and wp itself up to date is a mess also just not a fan of having PHP write out the front end the way it does, I like having all my client and server side stuff as separated as possible07:02
wafflejocko/07:02
EastTexasgood night folks.... gota catch some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's07:02
wafflejock'night07:02
EastTexasWhich is better Fedora 25 or Mint?07:03
EastTexasor Ubuntu XFCE maybe GNOME?07:03
EastTexasMy head almost hit the keyboard...07:06
EastTexasnight ya'll07:06
ducassemorning all07:10
linuxterminali_ hey anyone here I need help in deciding what part of my pc's hardware causing choppiness and random07:12
linuxterminali_freezes for couple of second07:13
linuxterminali_so that i can upgrade that part07:13
lordievaderHey ducasse, how are you doing?07:18
ducassegood thanks, and you?07:19
lordievaderDoing good too :)07:23
ducassehad your morning coffee yet? :)07:25
EriC^^morning ducasse lordievader07:28
ducassehi EriC^^, how are you doing?07:28
EriC^^great, you?07:29
lordievaderducasse: Not yet.07:29
lordievaderHey EriC^^07:29
ducassegood here as well, EriC^^, just a quiet morning. _really_ nice weather today.07:32
EriC^^same here, weather is ok slightly better07:34
lordievaderPretty cloudy here again, though it seems the wind has gone down a bit.07:41
ducassejust sun and blue sky here, and just about all the snow/ice is finally gone. not too sad about that last bit.07:48
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lotuspsychjeworking day, have a nice one guys08:16
BluesKaj'Morning all10:10
OerHekshi di hi11:16
ducassemmmmmmmmmorning!11:22
OerHeksmonday payday , how are you ducasse11:23
ducassegood enough, how about the two of you?11:23
OerHeksit is raining cats and dogs11:24
OerHeksso Drabber is happy :-D11:24
ducassehe likes rain?11:24
OerHekswell, the light is growing, and the grass too, he wants to go out all the time11:25
ducassesame with luna, she's out for an hour plus at a time, hasn't been that since november or so.11:27
OerHekstoday i started to put my plants outside too11:28
OerHeksmaybe a little cold, but i think they like it11:28
OerHeksnext step: bigger pots and fresh soil11:29
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ducasseah, i got my mother to promise to help me do a little planting outside by my porch when it's warm enough.11:29
OerHeksgardening is fun, yeah11:29
OerHeksa little efford gives a ton of joy11:30
ducassei want to see what i can keep alive :)11:30
ducassei have a bit of space here where i'm allowed to grow stuff if i want, so i thought i'd try to make something out of it.11:32
OerHeksget a bag of seeds, and try11:33
OerHeksbirdseed will do too11:34
ducassedamn it, every time crazytux is asked for something he is currently on mint, but insists he'd really using xubuntu. he's been doing this for ages now to get support from us.17:18
OerHeksyes, ioria is in PM with him17:25
ducasseabout that or helping him?17:26
ducasselast time he was here i asked him to try 16.04 since mint works, but he was really reluctant. curious if he did it.17:27
OerHekshelping ..17:27
ducasseit just annoys me that he thinks we're idiots who won't suspect he's lying...17:29
OerHeksnormally i would not say 'i doubt that'17:30
OerHeksthe longer we give support, the more strict we become :-D17:34
ducassebut thankfully it looks like he has stopped wasting our time with questions like 'will installing lxde in addition to xfce slow things down' again and again and again :)17:34
ducasseOerHeks: what grep options do you use the most? i'm adding some stuff to the grep wiki article.17:46
OerHeksi mostly grep ip adresses and usernames in my irc-logs17:48
OerHeksjust came over this site, https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.nl/ .. nvidia driver is a collection of holes17:49
ducassewhat isn't these days? *sigh*17:52
ducassegtg, bbl18:01
Bashing-om!persistence19:34
ubot5To have some persistent storage when using a Live CD, follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDPersistence19:34
Bashing-omYard chores, back in a bit .20:16
Bashing-omDid not take long for splitting out for fire wood to get real old . R&R !21:12
daftykins:)21:13
Bashing-om!raid21:26
ubot5Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto21:26

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