[04:32] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[04:33] <Kilos> all good there?
[05:30] <superfly> Hi Kilos. About as good as can be right now. 
[08:32] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:37] <magellanic> hi
[09:28] <smile> hi
[09:36] <inetpro> smile: how are you doing?
[09:36] <smile> I'm very well, thank you :) I'm fixing Wikipedia :P
[09:36] <smile> How're you?
[09:36] <inetpro> fixing wikipedia? that sounds like a fun challenge
[09:37] <smile> yeah, fixing all 404's :P
[09:37] <inetpro> how?
[09:38] <smile> Using Get Archive: http://addons.mozilla.org/addon/get-archive
[09:41] <smile> I'm fixing Get Archive simultaniously :)
[09:41] <smile> There are a few improvements that I want to apply to Get Archive
[09:41] <inetpro> not sure I understand the problem
[09:41] <inetpro> in fact, am quite sure that I don't understand right now
[09:43] <smile> I wrote Get Archive myself, and I'm improving Get Archive while I'm fixing 404s on nl.wikipedia.org
[09:46] <inetpro> ok, so you see a dead link on wikipedia and you right-click to retrieve such info from an archive.org link (Wayback Machine) and then?
[09:48] <inetpro> or archive.is with Ctrl+4 for that matter... looks interesting so far
[09:48] <smile> yeah :D
[09:49] <smile> and then get archive copies the URL to my clipboard
[09:49] <smile> so I can paste it back into wikipedia
[09:49] <smile> the archive.org or archive.is link
[09:49] <inetpro> ah, so, you just link back to the archive?
[09:49] <smile> yeah :) so readers of Wikipedia can click on the link and see the info as it was when first linked
[09:50] <smile> and not a random 404 page
[09:51] <inetpro> very interesting indeed, but what if the site owners realise missing info - say due to reorganising their website - and then add such info back to the site with a different URL?
[09:53] <smile> I sometimes go looking for the same info on Google using the filename (in the case of PDF), page title (if known) or URL
[09:53] <smile> often I do find copies of the same information elsewhere
[09:53] <smile> they're candidates for linking on Wikipedia as well, instead of an archived link
[09:54] <inetpro> the other interesting bit is, when new external links are added to wikipedia these days, is there some way that archive sites are triggerred to archive such a page?
[09:55] <smile> archive.org is cooperating with the English Wikipedia to offer archived versions of the linked URLs
[09:55] <smile> and archive.is is mainly using Wikipedia as a means to decide which URLs to archive
[09:55] <inetpro> very interesting
[09:55] <smile> yeah, indeed
[09:56] <smile> I'm now porting Get Archive to new Mozilla technology (and very Chrome-like) called WebExtensions
[09:56] <smile> To make sure Get Archive keeps working after Firefox 57 is released
[09:57] <smile> I'm almost finished, but there are some things that I would like to fix before I release it
[09:58] <inetpro> I'm sure most web developers often don't understand the implications of a redesign of their site and lots of historic info is often completely lost entirely
[09:59] <smile> Indeed, that's a giant problem
[10:00] <smile> That reminds me, I need to polish up my site when it's onlline again :)
[10:00] <inetpro> smile: nice job!
[10:00] <smile> It has been down for a while, phillw is working to fix it
[10:01] <smile> If you don't know the guy, join #phillw :P
[10:01] <smile> Kilos is there as well
[10:01] <smile> inetpro: thanks :)
[10:01]  * Kilos waves
[10:01] <Kilos> lo my pro
[10:02]  * smile waves at Kilos
[10:02] <Kilos> howdy smile, keep up the good work lad
[10:02] <smile> :D
[10:02] <inetpro> good mornings Kilos
[10:02] <Kilos> i was asleep and the ping ping ping broke through
[10:03] <smile> Kilos: it wasn't a very deep sleep then :)
[10:03] <Kilos> nope 
[10:03] <smile> do you have trouble sleeping, Kilos?
[10:03] <Kilos> looking after a baby cat that has just started walking and im scared i turn over and squish it
[10:04] <Kilos> no sleep last night
[10:04] <Kilos> bad bad head so took 3 tramadol over 4 hour period and brain couldnt switch off last night
[10:05] <Kilos> morphine based i think but sposed to make you sleepy as well , with me they kept me awake
[10:06] <inetpro> ai!
[10:06] <Kilos> lol
[10:06] <inetpro> Kilos: you should play minetest for that
[10:06] <smile> Not a very smart thing to do then :P
[10:07] <Kilos> hahaha ya maybe thats an idea
[10:07] <Kilos> do you still play inetpro 
[10:07] <inetpro> Kilos: you forgot about #minetest-za ?
[10:07] <inetpro> Kilos: nope, have no data
[10:08] <Kilos> i dont have minetest installed here on ssd
[10:08] <inetpro> and enough other challenges
[10:08] <Kilos> this 100gig cellc lasts forever
[10:08] <smile> Kilos: how do you mean, 100gig cell?
[10:08] <Kilos> cellc bundle
[10:08] <smile> How can a SSD last forever?
[10:09] <smile> cellc is a provider?
[10:09] <Kilos> mobile data bundle
[10:09] <smile> nice, 100 gigabyte :D
[10:09] <Kilos> but slow connection so that helps
[10:09]  * smile has 1 gigabyte of mobile data
[10:10] <Kilos> hopefully this coming week their techie will come out and upgrade the tower or at least organise it
[10:10] <smile> yeah :)
[10:10] <smile> how much do you pay for it, Kilos?
[10:10] <Kilos> R1000
[10:10] <inetpro> now you're giving me an idea, how do I throttle my NIC to slow down in order to preserve data?
[10:10] <Kilos> it expires after a year only
[10:11] <smile> nice!
[10:11] <smile> My mobile data bundle expires every month
[10:11] <smile> So to have equal data to you, I would need 10 gig each month :)
[10:11] <Kilos> yes this is a special promo thing to steal customers from other providers
[10:12] <Kilos> we were paying 399 for 3 gig
[10:12] <Kilos> every month
[10:12] <Kilos> i think it was 399
[10:12] <smile> 10 gig each month costs me 100 euro each month (1368R)
[10:12] <smile> mobile data
[10:13] <Kilos> anyway this one is cheap just slow
[10:13] <Kilos> wow
[10:13] <smile> fixed line is 396R for 150 gig data
[10:13] <Kilos> thats better
[10:13] <smile> yeah :D
[10:14] <Kilos> 100 euro a month is heavy
[10:14] <smile> Yeah :P 
[10:14] <smile> about 10% of my income :P 
[10:14] <Kilos> whew
[10:14] <Kilos> just for internet
[10:14] <inetpro> smile: 100€ = R1367 
[10:14] <Kilos> wb andrewlsd 
[10:14] <smile> yeah, that's why I used fixed line heavily
[10:15] <inetpro> you put the R in front here :-)
[10:15] <Kilos> we are forward thinking peeps
[10:15] <smile> inetpro: Google says 100 euro is 1367.99R
[10:15] <smile> I'm sorry :P 
[10:15] <smile> R1368 then
[10:15] <Kilos> dont close the gate after the cows have already run away
[10:15] <inetpro> google tells me "1367.98 South African Rand"
[10:15] <smile> Kilos: why not? :D
[10:16] <smile> Let's just drop the decimal part :D
[10:16] <Kilos> because then you find them and bring them back and then close the gate
[10:16] <smile> first close the gate, find them, open the gate, let the cows in, close the gate
[10:16] <smile> normal procedure :P 
[10:17] <inetpro> haha
[10:17] <Kilos> then you need two peeps because if you have to open the gate they turn and leave again
[10:17] <inetpro> let's not even talk about decimals even... please continue with the subject
[10:17] <Kilos> you herd from behind them
[10:17] <smile> Kilos: that means you're providing jobs for two people instead of one
[10:17] <smile> which is good, right?
[10:17] <Kilos> lol
[10:18] <Kilos> paying 2 peeps to do ones work is crazy
[10:18] <smile> yeah :P
[10:18] <smile> On a side note, 100 euro/month gives me 18000 SMS messages :P
[10:18] <Kilos> holy smokes
[10:18] <smile> to Mobile Vikings clients
[10:19] <smile> and 10000 to other networks
[10:19] <smile> so 28000 SMS messages in total
[10:19] <Kilos> thats why your fingers are so short
[10:19]  * inetpro no longer uses SMS
[10:19] <smile> I hardly use SMS, only to text my dad, or find someone when there's no internet available
[10:20] <smile> I use less than 10 SMS messages a month
[10:20] <Kilos> peeps here use whatsapp
[10:20] <smile> I use telegram
[10:20] <Kilos> and telegram
[10:20] <inetpro> SMS has been abused by mobile operators... the worst form of stealing
[10:21] <smile> you mean the way they charged for it?
[10:21] <inetpro> exactly
[10:21] <smile> here, too
[10:21] <Kilos> i have paid R3.60 for one sms to aus
[10:21] <smile> If I don't buy a internet bundle, an SMS still costs me 1/10th of a euro
[10:21] <Kilos> telegram hardly moves the data bundle
[10:21] <smile> 0,10 cents
[10:21] <smile> * 10 cents
[10:22] <smile> Kilos: yeah, that's great indeed
[10:22] <inetpro> and people just keep paying, it's crazy
[10:22] <smile> must be that they have a money surplus
[10:22] <Kilos> haha, they will never have surplus
[10:23] <Kilos> they always try get more
[10:23] <inetpro> people have no idea how much they pay compared to normal data
[10:23] <Kilos> oh you mean the peeps that pay
[10:23] <smile> Kilos: yeah
[10:23] <Kilos> ya stupid
[10:23] <Kilos> even skype audio is cheaper tha n sms
[10:24] <Kilos> about 1 meg data a minute
[10:24] <inetpro> https://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/148481-whatsapp-vs-sms-how-much-a-message-costs.html
[10:24] <smile> skype sucks :P
[10:24] <Kilos> i get to talk to my girls so i use it
[10:25] <smile> yeah, I understand
[10:25] <Kilos> i eed to sleep more
[10:25] <Kilos> need
[10:25] <smile> It's a standard thing so set a video call / audio call up
[10:25] <Kilos> you guys be good
[10:25] <smile> good night :)
[10:25] <inetpro> sleep well oom Kilos
[10:25] <Kilos> no man its midday
[10:25] <Kilos> ty guys
[10:25] <smile> :D
[10:27] <smile> inetpro: what have you been up to? :)
[10:28] <inetpro> anothr interesting article on the topic
[10:28] <inetpro> Price gouging: It costs more to send a text message on Earth than from Mars https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/141867-price-gouging-it-costs-more-to-send-a-text-message-on-earth-than-from-mars
[10:29] <inetpro> smile: just enjoying a relaxed Saturday, for a change
[10:30] <smile> inetpro: omg, I'll start texting from Mars
[10:30] <smile> inetpro: me too
[10:52] <inetpro> smile: did you see this, "Bill Gates suggested in a recent interview that robots should be taxed when they are doing the role of a human worker"
[10:52] <smile> no, didn't see it passing under my eyes :)
[10:53] <inetpro> have seen a few related debates recently
[10:54] <inetpro> see: http://toptechticker.com/2017/03/18/bill-gates-wants-to-tax-robots-but-one-robot-maker-says-thats-as-intelligent-as-taxing-software-cnbc/
[11:00] <MaNI> taxed, fine, but first recognise them as having rights then and pay them an income ;)
[11:34] <smile> Haha lol
[11:43] <inetpro> MaNI: good point :-D
[11:44] <inetpro> andrewlsd: what's wrong with your connection?
[11:44] <inetpro> fix it!
[11:45] <inetpro> or move to another VPS provider
[15:08] <nsnzero> hi andrewlsd 
[15:32] <smile> Hi nsnzero
[15:41] <nsnzero> hi smile 
[15:41] <smile> :D
[15:41] <nsnzero> checking if i can use ipython as a shell
[15:42] <smile> I wonder, I wouldn't know it myself
[15:42] <smile> I have a headache, so I'll quit thinking
[15:42] <nsnzero> doesnt seem to be a common topic 
[15:42] <smile> maybe because it wasn't meant to be
[15:44] <nsnzero> that is the beauty of linux - if you can think it you can probally implement it 
[15:44] <smile> yeah, but maybe no one thought of it before
[15:45] <nsnzero> ipython had a sh profile -> but its since been removed 
[15:46] <smile> hmm, okay, weird
[15:48] <nsnzero> lol yeah
[15:50] <nsnzero> back to my googling / duckduckgoing ?
[15:50] <smile> duckling? :P 
[15:51] <nsnzero> google just goes - google it vs duckduckgo it ? its a verb and a noun 
[15:52] <smile> yeah
[15:54] <nsnzero> also checking if i can split my terminal with the prompt in the bottom and the output - stdout on top
[15:56] <smile> I quit experimenting like that, I'm very satisfied with my setup like it is right now
[15:58] <nsnzero> i can never be satisfied - love to tinker and  ultimately perfect / break it 
[15:58] <smile> That's what I do when developing Firefox extensions :P
[16:01] <nsnzero> hows that going smile ?
[16:01] <smile> now it's hard, because the easy part is over :D
[16:02] <smile> I published Translate Now 2.0 recently with a shitload of fixes (quoting a collegue :P )
[16:02] <smile> So Translate Now won't need immediate updates anytime soon
[16:02] <nsnzero> congrats on that 
[16:02] <smile> Thanks :)
[16:03] <smile> Get Archive is still in the process of being finished up, but I have spotted a few bugs which I want to solve
[16:03] <smile> I thought up a solution, but with the headache I'm reluctant to implement it
[16:03] <nsnzero> thats another extension i presume 
[16:03] <smile> yeah :) I have quite a few
[16:04] <smile> and I have an idea for another one
[16:05] <smile> but I just wrote a CSS style for now, instead of an extension
[16:06] <smile> do you know what CSS userstyles are, nsnzero?
[16:10] <nsnzero> yes alittle 
[16:10] <smile> It's easy to make, and you get a new design / improved lay-out for an existing site
[16:11] <smile> https://userstyles.org/
[16:14] <nsnzero> cant use them in my simple browser - qupzilla
[16:15] <nsnzero> i dont use the fox - its too slow
[16:37] <smile> Userstyles can be used in most browsers, not sure about qupzilla
[16:39] <nsnzero> require the installation of stylish to use those css styles
[16:40] <smile> Some browsers do not require stylish. But in general, that's correct 
[17:51] <inetpro> Kilos: where are you when I need you?
[17:53]  * inetpro just had to do a small plumbing job to stop another leaking pipe in the roof
[17:58] <smile> Kilos is youri plumber, inetpro? 
[17:58] <inetpro> smile: nope, not really :-)
[17:58] <inetpro> but he always comes good solutions for everyday problems like these
[17:59] <Kilos> here inetpro 
[17:59] <Kilos> well done
[17:59] <inetpro> well it's just a temp fix for now
[17:59] <Kilos> what? bandaid?
[17:59] <Kilos> hehe
[18:00] <inetpro> ya, bandaid :-)
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:00] <inetpro> stupid old galvanized piping
[18:00] <nsnzero> lol - evening guys
[18:00] <Kilos> its been working for a long time
[18:01] <smile> The bandaid won't work long though 
[18:01] <smile> What did you use?
[18:01] <inetpro> true, rusting from the inside out, will have to replace the pipe very soon
[18:03] <inetpro> just a very small pinhole leak
[18:05] <inetpro> perhaps a small crack, must have been leaking a few days already, only noticed after seeing drops on the floor
[18:06] <inetpro> difficult to get a proper fix late on a Saturday afternoon
[18:07] <Kilos> yip
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: how are you feeling now?
[18:29] <Kilos> im ok ty inetpro slept like the dead
[18:29] <Kilos> actually feel good
[18:30] <inetpro> cool
[18:58] <magespawn> good evening
[18:58] <nsnzero> hi magespawn 
[19:05] <magespawn> how goes it nsnzero ?
[19:06] <nsnzero> ok and yourself ?
[19:07] <magespawn> all good. learning how to use drupal.
[19:08] <nsnzero> what does it do magespawn ?
[19:11] <magespawn> CMS similar to Joomla or Wordpress
[19:12] <nsnzero> wordpress like a web publishing suite  
[19:22] <magespawn> Content Mangement System
[19:23] <nsnzero> ok i not sure about that
[19:23] <nsnzero> well all the best
[19:24] <nsnzero> leave
[19:24] <nsnzero> opps
[19:24] <magespawn> So it all of them let you manage the content and lay out of the site using a framework rather than hand coding everything yourself
[19:39] <magespawn> good night all
[20:58] <inetpro> so quiet here, why?
[21:14] <Kilos> sleep timer
[21:14] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight