[04:32] morning superfly [04:33] all good there? [05:30] Hi Kilos. About as good as can be right now. [08:32] good mornings [08:37] hi [09:28] hi [09:36] smile: how are you doing? [09:36] I'm very well, thank you :) I'm fixing Wikipedia :P [09:36] How're you? [09:36] fixing wikipedia? that sounds like a fun challenge [09:37] yeah, fixing all 404's :P [09:37] how? [09:38] Using Get Archive: http://addons.mozilla.org/addon/get-archive [09:41] I'm fixing Get Archive simultaniously :) [09:41] There are a few improvements that I want to apply to Get Archive [09:41] not sure I understand the problem [09:41] in fact, am quite sure that I don't understand right now [09:43] I wrote Get Archive myself, and I'm improving Get Archive while I'm fixing 404s on nl.wikipedia.org [09:46] ok, so you see a dead link on wikipedia and you right-click to retrieve such info from an archive.org link (Wayback Machine) and then? [09:48] or archive.is with Ctrl+4 for that matter... looks interesting so far [09:48] yeah :D [09:49] and then get archive copies the URL to my clipboard [09:49] so I can paste it back into wikipedia [09:49] the archive.org or archive.is link [09:49] ah, so, you just link back to the archive? [09:49] yeah :) so readers of Wikipedia can click on the link and see the info as it was when first linked [09:50] and not a random 404 page [09:51] very interesting indeed, but what if the site owners realise missing info - say due to reorganising their website - and then add such info back to the site with a different URL? [09:53] I sometimes go looking for the same info on Google using the filename (in the case of PDF), page title (if known) or URL [09:53] often I do find copies of the same information elsewhere [09:53] they're candidates for linking on Wikipedia as well, instead of an archived link [09:54] the other interesting bit is, when new external links are added to wikipedia these days, is there some way that archive sites are triggerred to archive such a page? [09:55] archive.org is cooperating with the English Wikipedia to offer archived versions of the linked URLs [09:55] and archive.is is mainly using Wikipedia as a means to decide which URLs to archive [09:55] very interesting [09:55] yeah, indeed [09:56] I'm now porting Get Archive to new Mozilla technology (and very Chrome-like) called WebExtensions [09:56] To make sure Get Archive keeps working after Firefox 57 is released [09:57] I'm almost finished, but there are some things that I would like to fix before I release it [09:58] I'm sure most web developers often don't understand the implications of a redesign of their site and lots of historic info is often completely lost entirely [09:59] Indeed, that's a giant problem [10:00] That reminds me, I need to polish up my site when it's onlline again :) [10:00] smile: nice job! [10:00] It has been down for a while, phillw is working to fix it [10:01] If you don't know the guy, join #phillw :P [10:01] Kilos is there as well [10:01] inetpro: thanks :) [10:01] * Kilos waves [10:01] lo my pro [10:02] * smile waves at Kilos [10:02] howdy smile, keep up the good work lad [10:02] :D [10:02] good mornings Kilos [10:02] i was asleep and the ping ping ping broke through [10:03] Kilos: it wasn't a very deep sleep then :) [10:03] nope [10:03] do you have trouble sleeping, Kilos? [10:03] looking after a baby cat that has just started walking and im scared i turn over and squish it [10:04] no sleep last night [10:04] bad bad head so took 3 tramadol over 4 hour period and brain couldnt switch off last night [10:05] morphine based i think but sposed to make you sleepy as well , with me they kept me awake [10:06] ai! [10:06] lol [10:06] Kilos: you should play minetest for that [10:06] Not a very smart thing to do then :P [10:07] hahaha ya maybe thats an idea [10:07] do you still play inetpro [10:07] Kilos: you forgot about #minetest-za ? [10:07] Kilos: nope, have no data [10:08] i dont have minetest installed here on ssd [10:08] and enough other challenges [10:08] this 100gig cellc lasts forever [10:08] Kilos: how do you mean, 100gig cell? [10:08] cellc bundle [10:08] How can a SSD last forever? [10:09] cellc is a provider? [10:09] mobile data bundle [10:09] nice, 100 gigabyte :D [10:09] but slow connection so that helps [10:09] * smile has 1 gigabyte of mobile data [10:10] hopefully this coming week their techie will come out and upgrade the tower or at least organise it [10:10] yeah :) [10:10] how much do you pay for it, Kilos? [10:10] R1000 [10:10] now you're giving me an idea, how do I throttle my NIC to slow down in order to preserve data? [10:10] it expires after a year only [10:11] nice! [10:11] My mobile data bundle expires every month [10:11] So to have equal data to you, I would need 10 gig each month :) [10:11] yes this is a special promo thing to steal customers from other providers [10:12] we were paying 399 for 3 gig [10:12] every month [10:12] i think it was 399 [10:12] 10 gig each month costs me 100 euro each month (1368R) [10:12] mobile data [10:13] anyway this one is cheap just slow [10:13] wow [10:13] fixed line is 396R for 150 gig data [10:13] thats better [10:13] yeah :D [10:14] 100 euro a month is heavy [10:14] Yeah :P [10:14] about 10% of my income :P [10:14] whew [10:14] just for internet [10:14] smile: 100€ = R1367 [10:14] wb andrewlsd [10:14] yeah, that's why I used fixed line heavily [10:15] you put the R in front here :-) [10:15] we are forward thinking peeps [10:15] inetpro: Google says 100 euro is 1367.99R [10:15] I'm sorry :P [10:15] R1368 then [10:15] dont close the gate after the cows have already run away [10:15] google tells me "1367.98 South African Rand" [10:15] Kilos: why not? :D [10:16] Let's just drop the decimal part :D [10:16] because then you find them and bring them back and then close the gate [10:16] first close the gate, find them, open the gate, let the cows in, close the gate [10:16] normal procedure :P [10:17] haha [10:17] then you need two peeps because if you have to open the gate they turn and leave again [10:17] let's not even talk about decimals even... please continue with the subject [10:17] you herd from behind them [10:17] Kilos: that means you're providing jobs for two people instead of one [10:17] which is good, right? [10:17] lol [10:18] paying 2 peeps to do ones work is crazy [10:18] yeah :P [10:18] On a side note, 100 euro/month gives me 18000 SMS messages :P [10:18] holy smokes [10:18] to Mobile Vikings clients [10:19] and 10000 to other networks [10:19] so 28000 SMS messages in total [10:19] thats why your fingers are so short [10:19] * inetpro no longer uses SMS [10:19] I hardly use SMS, only to text my dad, or find someone when there's no internet available [10:20] I use less than 10 SMS messages a month [10:20] peeps here use whatsapp [10:20] I use telegram [10:20] and telegram [10:20] SMS has been abused by mobile operators... the worst form of stealing [10:21] you mean the way they charged for it? [10:21] exactly [10:21] here, too [10:21] i have paid R3.60 for one sms to aus [10:21] If I don't buy a internet bundle, an SMS still costs me 1/10th of a euro [10:21] telegram hardly moves the data bundle [10:21] 0,10 cents [10:21] * 10 cents [10:22] Kilos: yeah, that's great indeed [10:22] and people just keep paying, it's crazy [10:22] must be that they have a money surplus [10:22] haha, they will never have surplus [10:23] they always try get more [10:23] people have no idea how much they pay compared to normal data [10:23] oh you mean the peeps that pay [10:23] Kilos: yeah [10:23] ya stupid [10:23] even skype audio is cheaper tha n sms [10:24] about 1 meg data a minute [10:24] https://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/148481-whatsapp-vs-sms-how-much-a-message-costs.html [10:24] skype sucks :P [10:24] i get to talk to my girls so i use it [10:25] yeah, I understand [10:25] i eed to sleep more [10:25] need [10:25] It's a standard thing so set a video call / audio call up [10:25] you guys be good [10:25] good night :) [10:25] sleep well oom Kilos [10:25] no man its midday [10:25] ty guys [10:25] :D [10:27] inetpro: what have you been up to? :) [10:28] anothr interesting article on the topic [10:28] Price gouging: It costs more to send a text message on Earth than from Mars https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/141867-price-gouging-it-costs-more-to-send-a-text-message-on-earth-than-from-mars [10:29] smile: just enjoying a relaxed Saturday, for a change [10:30] inetpro: omg, I'll start texting from Mars [10:30] inetpro: me too [10:52] smile: did you see this, "Bill Gates suggested in a recent interview that robots should be taxed when they are doing the role of a human worker" [10:52] no, didn't see it passing under my eyes :) [10:53] have seen a few related debates recently [10:54] see: http://toptechticker.com/2017/03/18/bill-gates-wants-to-tax-robots-but-one-robot-maker-says-thats-as-intelligent-as-taxing-software-cnbc/ [11:00] taxed, fine, but first recognise them as having rights then and pay them an income ;) [11:34] Haha lol [11:43] MaNI: good point :-D [11:44] andrewlsd: what's wrong with your connection? [11:44] fix it! [11:45] or move to another VPS provider [15:08] hi andrewlsd [15:32] Hi nsnzero [15:41] hi smile [15:41] :D [15:41] checking if i can use ipython as a shell [15:42] I wonder, I wouldn't know it myself [15:42] I have a headache, so I'll quit thinking [15:42] doesnt seem to be a common topic [15:42] maybe because it wasn't meant to be [15:44] that is the beauty of linux - if you can think it you can probally implement it [15:44] yeah, but maybe no one thought of it before [15:45] ipython had a sh profile -> but its since been removed [15:46] hmm, okay, weird [15:48] lol yeah [15:50] back to my googling / duckduckgoing ? [15:50] duckling? :P [15:51] google just goes - google it vs duckduckgo it ? its a verb and a noun [15:52] yeah [15:54] also checking if i can split my terminal with the prompt in the bottom and the output - stdout on top [15:56] I quit experimenting like that, I'm very satisfied with my setup like it is right now [15:58] i can never be satisfied - love to tinker and ultimately perfect / break it [15:58] That's what I do when developing Firefox extensions :P [16:01] hows that going smile ? [16:01] now it's hard, because the easy part is over :D [16:02] I published Translate Now 2.0 recently with a shitload of fixes (quoting a collegue :P ) [16:02] So Translate Now won't need immediate updates anytime soon [16:02] congrats on that [16:02] Thanks :) [16:03] Get Archive is still in the process of being finished up, but I have spotted a few bugs which I want to solve [16:03] I thought up a solution, but with the headache I'm reluctant to implement it [16:03] thats another extension i presume [16:03] yeah :) I have quite a few [16:04] and I have an idea for another one [16:05] but I just wrote a CSS style for now, instead of an extension [16:06] do you know what CSS userstyles are, nsnzero? [16:10] yes alittle [16:10] It's easy to make, and you get a new design / improved lay-out for an existing site [16:11] https://userstyles.org/ [16:14] cant use them in my simple browser - qupzilla [16:15] i dont use the fox - its too slow [16:37] Userstyles can be used in most browsers, not sure about qupzilla [16:39] require the installation of stylish to use those css styles [16:40] Some browsers do not require stylish. But in general, that's correct [17:51] Kilos: where are you when I need you? [17:53] * inetpro just had to do a small plumbing job to stop another leaking pipe in the roof [17:58] Kilos is youri plumber, inetpro? [17:58] smile: nope, not really :-) [17:58] but he always comes good solutions for everyday problems like these [17:59] here inetpro [17:59] well done [17:59] well it's just a temp fix for now [17:59] what? bandaid? [17:59] hehe [18:00] ya, bandaid :-) [18:00] lol [18:00] stupid old galvanized piping [18:00] lol - evening guys [18:00] its been working for a long time [18:01] The bandaid won't work long though [18:01] What did you use? [18:01] true, rusting from the inside out, will have to replace the pipe very soon [18:03] just a very small pinhole leak [18:05] perhaps a small crack, must have been leaking a few days already, only noticed after seeing drops on the floor [18:06] difficult to get a proper fix late on a Saturday afternoon [18:07] yip [18:29] Kilos: how are you feeling now? [18:29] im ok ty inetpro slept like the dead [18:29] actually feel good [18:30] cool [18:58] good evening [18:58] hi magespawn [19:05] how goes it nsnzero ? [19:06] ok and yourself ? [19:07] all good. learning how to use drupal. [19:08] what does it do magespawn ? [19:11] CMS similar to Joomla or Wordpress [19:12] wordpress like a web publishing suite [19:22] Content Mangement System [19:23] ok i not sure about that [19:23] well all the best [19:24] leave [19:24] opps [19:24] So it all of them let you manage the content and lay out of the site using a framework rather than hand coding everything yourself [19:39] good night all [20:58] so quiet here, why? [21:14] sleep timer [21:14] night all. sleep tight