[01:20] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> wxl, @DarinMiller, @ahoneybun: I propose we get together one evening in the next week on BBB and just have a group packaging party. Get some real stuff done and talk about stuff. Wednesday or Thursday wfm fwiw.
[01:20] <DarinMiller> Thank you Valorie. I am very happy and honored to be part of the team!
[01:21] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Invite some LoCo people and just have a party and get a ***tton of stuff done
[01:22] <valorie> you are literally most welcome!
[01:22] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Oh and I almost forgot valorie!
[01:22] <valorie> I was just trying to use ubuntu-driver and I can't figure out how to make it work
[01:22] <valorie> the driver-manager still just sits
[01:22] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Basically anyone in the US, so it can be super convenient
[01:22] <valorie> tsimonq2: ?
[01:22] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: I am still in Taiwan for work related purposes until next week so I timing may be challenging.
[01:23] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @DarinMiller, Will you be there on Wednesday and Thursday?
[01:24] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Wait but I can't package
[01:24] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: I fly back in the states on Saturday, so I will miss this coming Saturday's BBB also.
[01:24] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @DarinMiller, Oh, k
[01:25] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @ahoneybun, Yeah you can. We can make you XD
[01:25] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> @tsimonq2, Nah
[01:26]  * DarinMiller wants to package and is hoping Simon (or anyone) can teach him...
[01:27] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @IrcsomeBot, You see my huge solo triage session the other day?
[01:28] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Go find something and try it, ask if you get stuff
[01:28] <DarinMiller> I saw it.  You were knocking 'em dead left and right.
[01:29] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> No I didn't actually do anything :P
[01:29] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> I just made it obvious
[01:30] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: Were you hitting the KCI list or using the ppa-status page for your triage reference ( http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/ )
[01:30] <DarinMiller> ?
[01:30] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> KCI
[01:36] <valorie> oh, I got it to work: 
[01:36] <valorie> driver   : nvidia-375 - distro non-free recommended                                                                                                                                                                    
[01:36] <valorie> driver   : nvidia-340 - distro non-free
[01:36] <valorie> besides nouveau
[01:36] <valorie> for model    : GK104M [GeForce GTX 870M]
[01:36] <DarinMiller> valorie: did you use the instruction from our release page to fix it?
[01:37] <tsimonq2> *jaw drops*
[01:37] <tsimonq2> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
[01:37] <valorie> oh
[01:37] <valorie> gosh
[01:37] <tsimonq2> https://blog.jorgecastro.org/2017/03/17/service-jorge-stop-git-rebase-heptio-master-service-jorge-start/
[01:37] <tsimonq2> NOT JORGE ;(
[01:38] <DarinMiller> I don't know Jorge.
[01:38] <DarinMiller> valorie: wait, don't install yet
[01:38] <mamarley> Yeah, I'm sad to see him go too.  He is the one who got the Graphics Drivers PPA team started.
[01:38] <valorie> oh, I'm not
[01:38] <tsimonq2> valorie: ?????????????????
[01:38] <valorie> but I did just have another freeze, which made me think about it again
[01:39] <valorie> yeah, while I was off doing dishes after dinner
[01:39] <valorie> grrr
[01:40] <DarinMiller> install this ppa, sudo apt update then sudo apt install nvidia-378 : https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[01:41] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: valorie was responding to  me (not referencing Jorge leaving...)
[01:41] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: Oh, good.
[01:41] <valorie> 378 although that isn't mentioned?
[01:42] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: did you work with Jorge?
[01:42] <DarinMiller> valoriie: after installing the ppa, the 378 driver will be available.
[01:42] <mamarley> valorie: 378 comes from the Graphics Drivers PPA, but it isn't available in the main repository yet.
[01:42] <valorie> ah, OK
[01:42] <mamarley> (I help to maintain this PPA!)
[01:42] <valorie> yes, I see your name
[01:43]  * DarinMiller appreciates mamarley's work!
[01:43] <mamarley> Thanks!
[01:45] <valorie> hmmm, it recommends bumblebee
[01:46] <DarinMiller> valorie: if that driver fixes your freezing, then I recommend filing a nouvea bug report
[01:46] <valorie> I thought we were no longer using that?
[01:47] <valorie> will I have to restart after installing?
[01:47] <DarinMiller> valorie: no need for bumblebee unless you have a dual gpu laptop. 
[01:48] <DarinMiller> vatlorie: yes, you will not be notified that a restart is necessay but the  driver will not be active until after the restart.
[01:48] <valorie> ok
[01:48] <valorie> the devices command only listed the nvidia
[01:49] <DarinMiller> I have used bumbebee with my current laptop and NVidia 378 driver, but performace was very poor (intel card performed the same as nvida card).
[01:49] <DarinMiller> so I use prime-select to pick my  gpu.
[01:50] <valorie> ok, restarting
[01:50] <valorie> wish me luck
[01:51] <DarinMiller> valorie: mamarley built the driver.  You are in good hands, no luck needed. :)
[01:51] <mamarley> Aww shucks...
[01:53] <tsimonq2> I need some teamwork here
[01:53] <tsimonq2> Please ping me ASAP if you would like to read some cool Ubuntu articles and write short summaries for them
[01:53] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: ready to help 
[01:54] <tsimonq2> DarinMiller: Can you help? :)
[01:54] <valorie> hmmm, everything seems a bit crisper
[01:54] <valorie> easier to read
[01:54] <DarinMiller> tsimonq2: ready to assist
[01:54] <tsimonq2> Actually, ping me in #ubuntu-news
[01:55] <mamarley> valorie: Perhaps nouveau was not running your monitor at native resolution but the blob is?
[01:57] <valorie> maybe
[01:58] <DarinMiller> valorie: the nvidia driver sometimes defaults to a slight larger dpi.  You may want to ajust under sys settings | fonts (I like smaller text so I adjust accordingly).
[01:58] <mamarley> (Yeah, that too.  On both of my laptops, I have to force the DPI settings otherwise everything is huge.)
[01:58] <valorie> this is more readable so I'll leave it!
[01:58] <mamarley> Whatever works for you!
[01:59] <valorie> I'll run the tests now
[02:00] <valorie> nice and crisp in yakuake as well
[02:00] <valorie> me likey
[02:01] <mamarley> :)
[02:02] <valorie> hmmm, it's saying that the test suite is out of date
[02:02] <DarinMiller> what test suite?
[02:02] <valorie> phoronix-test-suite
[02:03] <valorie> n outdated version of the Phoronix Test Suite is installed.
[02:04] <valorie> The version in use is v5.2.1, but the latest is v6.9.99.
[02:04] <valorie> Visit http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/ to update this software.
[02:04] <valorie> that seems rather far behind
[02:04] <valorie> mamarley: has a bug been filed to get this updated?
[02:06] <valorie> it's doing the tests anyway
[02:33] <valorie> OMG, now that I did the tests, there are these first person shooter games popping up!
[02:33] <valorie> awful
[02:35] <sintre> how long are these tst supposed to last ? Windows benchmark program do the same thing , sinse its cross platform I assume that why to test fps and the ram cpu load ect.
[02:35] <valorie> how in hell do I get them to stop, mamarley?
[02:35] <sintre> i think i ran a windows 10  free version lasted 30 minutes
[02:36] <valorie> oh, these are part of the testing?
[02:36] <valorie> ick
[02:36] <valorie> I won't run that
[02:39] <sintre> well unfotately these shoot em up game are the most system intense things they can use to test hardware performance
[02:39] <sintre> irc client aint gonna cut it :/
[02:51] <valorie> I guess
[02:51] <valorie> I'll watch tv while it does it's thing
[02:53] <valorie> nice NOVA about CERN
[02:55] <sintre> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um4YTUQAZ8I
[02:55] <valorie> yep, that's the one
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[09:48] <DarinMiller> Good morning Eastern Atlantic people
[09:56] <acheronuk> morning DarinMiller :)
[09:58] <DarinMiller> Looks like kexi packaging is a generation old (kde4).  Debian has the kexi qt5 packaging.  Should we pull that over?  If so, what the propper proceedure?
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[10:19] <acheronuk> DarinMiller: kexi is KF$ in kubuntu_unstable packaging. there is no debian port to KF$ uploaded to sid or experimental yet after it was split out of calligra, so no seperate packae in ubuntu, and we do not have permissions to uplaod one.
[10:20] <acheronuk> so it's being tracked for kf5 in KCI for when we can
[10:22] <DarinMiller> ok
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[10:35] <DarinMiller> regarding the packages dependent on twisted python.  It's failing an SSL test on 1 out of 8719 tests and its parked on the excuses page. What do we do in this situation?  Wait for Canonical to address?
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[10:53] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> probably. someone could dig into it if the really felt like it I suppose, but KCI si tracking upstream master, so it can wait to resoilve itself in due time most likely.
[10:54] <lordievader> Good morning
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[11:14] <DarinMiller> good morning lordievader
[11:19] <lordievader> Hey DarinMiller 
[11:21] <yofel> moin
[11:21] <acheronuk> morning
[11:23] <acheronuk> going to be a while until I stop expecting to see a yakkety_unstable message from KCI (often failed or still failing :P)
[11:23] <DarinMiller> morning phil
[11:30]  * acheronuk gets ready for Sunday lunch
[11:32] <mamarley> valorie: Sorry, I don't use PTS, so I don't know.  I would imagine that the FPS games are popping up to test graphics performance though.
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:50] <clivejo> DarinMiller: in additional to what Rik said there are also a load of new build deps for kexi ie kreport, kproperty, kdb etc
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[19:18] <Snowhog> DarinMiller I've given you your Kubuntu Team badge on your profile in Kubuntu Forums . Net. Congrats on becoming the newest Kubuntu Member.
[19:21] <IrcsomeBot> <CliffordTheBigRedDoggie> Hi snowhog
[19:43] <clivejo> hummmm I appear to have lost sound
[19:44] <clivejo> yet can still hear mycroft
[19:48] <acheronuk> clivejo: that's what you get for enabling an evil AI. it's taking over and suppressing any opposition.
[19:49] <yofel> XD
[19:54] <clivejo> hummmm
[19:54] <clivejo> purged and it works again
[19:55] <clivejo> strange
[19:55] <acheronuk> told ya :P
[20:21] <clivejo> :(
[21:41] <valorie> well, freezes are not caused by graphics driver
[21:41] <valorie> ::sigh::
[21:41] <clivejo> could it be hardware?
[21:41] <clivejo> have you temperature logging?
[21:42] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> Could be the hard drive
[21:42] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> I've had temp freezes from a failing hard drive
[21:45] <valorie> oh, ick
[21:46] <valorie> clivejo: how would I know?
[21:46] <valorie>  this is a beefy laptop with a big fan
[21:46] <clivejo> log the temperatures for CPU, GPU, HDD etc
[21:46] <valorie> and really the only things running at night are konvi and ktorrent
[21:47] <clivejo> there are tools that can setup alarms for you
[21:47] <valorie> it shut down at 2:30am my time
[21:47] <mamarley> If it has any recent Intel or AMD CPU, the CPU will have an integrated temperature sensor.  You can read this value using the "sensors" program from lm-sensors.  You can also use "sensors-detect" to see if the laptop has any other supported hardware monitoring devices.
[21:47] <valorie> it does have two HDs -- well, one HD and one SSD
[21:48] <mamarley> You can use "smartctl -A /dev/sdx" to get the health information (including temperature, usually) of HDDs and SSDs.
[21:49] <clivejo> Id install a SMART monitor and check the drives then
[21:49] <clivejo> one might be failing
[21:51] <valorie> does that command work as-is, or do I need to sub a drive letter for "x"?
[21:52] <valorie> I just ran sensors-detect and probed all around, and did as it advised
[21:52] <valorie> but it didn't give me much info that I could see
[21:53] <clivejo> I use the "Disks" tool
[21:53] <clivejo> and use the GUI to check the SMART data
[21:54] <clivejo> you can start Self-tests
[21:55] <mamarley> valorie: Yes, you do need to substitute an actual drive path there.
[21:57] <valorie> https://paste.kde.org/pzvszireh
[21:57] <valorie> but I'll install a smart monitor
[22:00] <clivejo> those temps look fine
[22:00] <clivejo> its "gnome-disks" btw
[22:01] <valorie> ah, OK
[22:01] <clivejo> but the sudden freezes that dont recover sound more CPU
[22:02] <clivejo> nothing showing in the system logs?
[22:04] <yofel> if you think the cpu is overheating you can try to trigger that with 'stress --cpu 4' or whatever core count you have. That'll max them out
[22:04] <yofel> any recent cpu will clock itself down way before overheating though
[22:04] <yofel> did you test the memory?
[22:07] <clivejo> ^^ what yofel said
[22:08] <clivejo> bad or memory not seated correct can cause sudden freezes too
[22:09] <yofel> and as was pointed out, hdd failures should appear in their SMART data in some way. A broken disk usually doesn't freeze the system completely (well, plasma might) as the disk would be remounted read-only on error
[22:09] <yofel> corrupt data on disk would be indistinguishable from bad memory though
[22:12] <clivejo> valorie: is it configured to suspend or sleep when idle?
[22:12] <Snowhog> Don't discount static electricity or a voltage drop/spike.
[22:16]  * clivejo giggles
[22:17] <Snowhog> valorie: "this is a beefy laptop with a big fan". When was the last time you opened it up and cleaned out the dust bunnies?
[22:17] <clivejo> reminds me of a receptist I used to work with, who continiously complainted that the photocopier was shocking her
[22:17] <clivejo> but noone else
[22:18] <yofel> pft
[22:18] <clivejo> after several technician visits the company sent out a senior repair man
[22:19] <clivejo> and had to get a HR person to come down
[22:19] <yofel> good question about dust though, even if the CPU can save itself, the mainboard etc. can still overheat at lower temps than the CPU
[22:19] <Snowhog> I once had an employee who could, and did on more than one occasion, "kill" computer equipment by touching it. She even had one printer 'start smoking' after she touched it.
[22:20] <yofel> lolwhat
[22:20] <valorie> clivejo: it is not configured to sleep or suspend
[22:20] <valorie> I've not opened it up to clean out dust though
[22:20] <clivejo> turned out she was wearing Nylon underwear and discharging herself on the photocopier
[22:20] <valorie> that's a thought
[22:20]  * valorie wears cotton!
[22:21] <clivejo> LOL thats why the HR had to be there
[22:21] <valorie> that's not to say I've never gotten shocked by touching it
[22:21] <valorie> but that's never shut it down
[22:21] <Snowhog> *discharging herself on the photocopier. The images that brings to mind are, well......
[22:21] <clivejo> as a repairman asking about what kind of underwear is a very difficult subject!
[22:22] <valorie> it's just so strange that it freezes when it's doing nothing other than listening to IRC and serving up ISO bits via ktorrent
[22:22] <clivejo> does it do it even night?
[22:22] <valorie> it has frozen while I'm using it
[22:23] <clivejo> every night
[22:23] <valorie> but mostly at night
[22:23] <valorie> and no, not every night!
[22:23] <Snowhog> valorie: Before you retire for the day, open a konsole and run top. At least you'll know what was running if it freezes on you again.
[22:23] <valorie> so mysterious and annoying
[22:24] <valorie> well, I usually darken the screen before leaving it, and by "freeze" I mean: will not respond to the keyboard
[22:24] <Snowhog> And leave it running of course.
[22:24] <valorie> so I can't check anything
[22:24] <valorie> at least it still responds to the power button
[22:24] <valorie> but that's it
[22:24] <Snowhog> Magic Keys don't even work?
[22:25] <valorie> afaik, no keys do
[22:25] <valorie> by magic, you mean REISUB?
[22:25] <Snowhog> valorie: Yes.
[22:26] <valorie> if I knew what file to check once restarted, perhaps I could figure it out
[22:26] <valorie> but I don't
[22:26] <valorie> and afaik, most flush on restart
[22:26] <yofel> problem is that if it actually freezes hard, it won't write anything to disk, so an on screen capture is the best you could hope for
[22:27] <yofel> unless it's really just a soft freeze, but at least sysrq+b should still work
[22:27] <Snowhog> Which is why I suggested running top in a konsole and leaving the konsole running. And of course, don't dim your screen!
[22:27] <clivejo> but might give a clue what it was doing before hand
[22:28] <yofel> *but then
[22:28] <clivejo> valorie: you mentioned you thought it was the kernel, did you ever drop into grub and use the previous one?
[22:29] <Snowhog> Always try using SysRq before going for the power button.
[22:30] <valorie> oh
[22:30] <valorie> good suggestions
[22:30] <valorie> this was happening before I left for India, and was rather distracted
[22:31] <valorie> now that I'm back and sort of caught up, I might be smarter about it
[22:36] <valorie> ok, have written those down, so I remember tonight
[22:36] <valorie> and if I do have to restart, I will try a previous kernel
[22:43] <clivejo> would just rule out the kernel update as a cause
[22:43] <valorie> yup
[22:44] <valorie> not sure why that didn't occur to me
[22:44] <clivejo> cause you said something about it started after an update
[22:44] <valorie> yup
[22:44] <valorie> brain all frazzled=brain no worky
[22:44] <clivejo> not surprised
[22:45] <clivejo> jet lag can cause problems for days!
[22:45] <valorie> well, I slept almost 12 hours
[22:45] <valorie> and the sun is shining today
[22:47] <valorie> however student proposals open tomorrow for GSoC
[22:47] <clivejo> get out in the sun
[22:47] <valorie> gads, I am so not ready
[22:47] <clivejo> that helps reset the body clock
[22:47] <valorie> good idea
[22:47] <valorie> should go out and rake a bit
[22:47] <clivejo> or just sit in the sun on your laptop :P
[22:49] <valorie> that sounds like work!
[22:49] <valorie> raking sounds more fun
[22:50] <valorie> right now, laundry needs folding
[22:57]  * ahoneybun is getting impaient for an answer
[23:07]  * acheronuk agrees with ahoneybun 
[23:15] <ahoneybun> tho this is about LFNW
[23:18] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: ah. something else here.....
[23:18] <ahoneybun> yea