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flohackGood Morning!09:05
flohackAnyone here with Samsung experience? Regarding boot.img files09:05
TestHello. Any progress? I want linux on my phones and tablets. Android is not Linux.09:10
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Guest72355 Hello. Any progress? I want Linux on my phones and tablets. Android is not Linux.09:11
flohackMorning09:12
flohackYour question is too specific. Yes there is always some progress, but it depends what is the outcome that you could use09:12
flohackSorry meant your question is too generic ;)09:13
Guest72355Haha : ) Ok. But please give the world the gift of real Linux on smartphones as soon as possible.09:14
NeKitGuest72355, the problem is that there are specific devices supported09:14
NeKitbut people will want to have it for the device they already own...09:15
Guest72355I want my real Terminal on my phone and my real GUI's and everything customizable and open source like I deserve.09:15
Guest72355There are so few devices. Also not available in retail shops where I have looked.09:15
Guest72355Or make a cheap "PiPhone" based on Strawberry Pi or something cheap like that. A phone with Ubuntu which we can order for 25 USD or something. Not so fancy but full Linux and inexpensive.09:17
flohackHmm09:17
NeKitdid you see a lot of smartphones under 25 USD? :)09:17
flohackYou put it a bit too easy right now. That will not happen so early09:18
Guest72355If it has Ubuntu and is cheap it wouldn't need to have the fastest specs.09:18
flohackWe are depending on hardware, and the hardware companies control the market. And because the do not disclose their firmware & drivers, they also control the software09:18
flohackYou cannot really develop an independent OS on top of proprietary drivers09:19
flohackDid you ever look into the architecture stack of current Ubuntu Touch?09:19
Guest72355NeKit no but if the Pi people can make Raspberry Zero for 5 USD then it should be possible to make an open source smartphone for 25 USD.09:19
flohackSee this https://developer.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_uploaded/136981fa-6287-49d3-9874-06f40b2e4eb7-cms_page_media/380/ubuntu_touch_architecture.png09:20
flohackLook to the left, what do you see there?09:20
Guest72355No. (Using Android at the moment. Nothing to the left)09:20
Guest72355I just so happen to think that it is physically and practically possible to make a cheap smart phone with full Linux.09:21
Guest72355Maybe I will go to Shenzhen soon.09:21
Guest72355I can ask the guys over there if you want.09:21
flohackIf you ignore the facts you will not be successful :) - You can put up any hypothesis for yourself, but it will not hold the facts09:21
Guest72355Think about. Everyone would want a cheap Linux phone like that. A real Samsung killer. I am so fed up with the oligarchy of Google and Samsung.09:22
NeKitRaspberry doesn't have any power management, by the way09:22
flohackIts not about the price.09:22
Guest72355Flohack so you're saying cheap Linux smart phone can't be done : )?09:22
flohackIts about Apps and the Ecosystem09:22
Guest72355Ah, well that's another question09:23
Guest72355If we build the cheap Linux phone the apps will come09:23
Guest72355One way or another09:23
flohackLook you can already now put Ubuntu Touch on an old used phone what you can buy for 50€ - so thats ok09:23
Guest72355Cool09:23
flohackNo they wont, since you need the big companies in the boat. You wanna convince Facebook to make WhatsApp happen on Linux?09:23
flohackThey want closed platforms, not open ones09:24
flohackTHink about iTunes09:24
Guest72355Even if I would just have access to all the existing Ubuntu software I would be in heaven : D09:24
flohackApple will never bring any of their stuff to Linux. They want to keep their users together09:24
Guest72355Anything on top of that would be bonus09:24
Guest72355Even if I would just have access to all the existing Ubuntu software I would be in heaven : D09:24
flohackThis is not how a mobile OS works, dude. Its not desktop in your pocket09:24
flohackActually, well, thats where they want to go09:24
Guest72355Well09:25
flohackSo the future of Ubuntu is desktop convergence with mobile09:25
flohackBut, for this you need to be patient09:25
Guest72355I used VNC on my tablet for a long while to control my laptop09:25
flohackAt least one year, I would assume 2-3 years at least09:25
Guest72355If that works then why not just use Ubuntu directly?09:25
Guest72355The screen was about 10 inch I guess09:25
flohackI personally dont believe this will work out :)09:25
Guest72355maybe 1109:25
flohackyes ok but, this is VNC09:26
Guest72355I'm just saying, I am a user and I want Ubuntu Desktop on my smart devices : D09:26
flohackthis has nothing to do with real applications09:26
Guest72355Let me explain. I did everything that I normally do on Desktop on my tablet using VNC09:27
flohackYes and I tell you, Im also a user, and I also want many things :)09:27
Guest72355Everything. Browsing, coding and so on.09:27
Guest72355So I know I can use my tablet just like a desktop device.09:27
Guest72355I did it for years.09:27
flohackyeah nice. But the tablet has proprietary hardware. You need to run Android drivers, not Linux ones.09:27
flohackThis is dthe difficulty#09:27
Guest72355Just a hassle to go through VNC and many hiccups and disconnect all the time.09:27
flohackyes. still you understand what I am writing?09:28
Guest72355I think in Shenzhen people don't respect intellectual property, which could be a good thing.09:28
flohackHaha !09:28
flohackBe my guest with a lot of patent fights. How many millions of money you said you have?09:28
flohackIts changing also in China#09:28
flohackThe more capitalistic they get, the more they will also honior IP rights09:29
flohackespecially for foreigners.09:29
Guest72355Why not just replace all the proprietary electronics in a smartphone or tablet with open sourced ones?09:29
NeKitbecause there is no such thing?09:29
flohackYes you can, but then the price skyrockets09:29
Guest72355Is it really impossible to make a tablet without proprietary parts?09:29
Guest72355Aha09:29
Guest72355Ok well09:29
flohackyou need to develop everything from scratch. You need to sell millions of devices to keep the price low09:29
Guest72355Well09:30
Guest72355Hmm...09:30
flohackLook at fairphone09:30
flohackand its price09:30
flohackAnd it is also not fully open sourced09:30
Guest72355How did the Raspberry zero people make the Pi zero so cheap?09:30
Guest72355It must have had its challenges too09:30
flohackAsk them maybe09:30
Guest72355Actually good idea09:30
Guest72355But please please flohack try to change your mind about this. Let's give the world... Cheap Linux Phone!09:31
flohackAlso the processing power of a Pi is much much smaller than of a mobile phone09:31
flohackLOL09:31
Guest72355It's acceptable09:31
flohackWhy it must be cheap09:31
flohackI would spend 300$ on a good Linux device09:31
Guest72355If it's got Linux09:31
Guest72355Well... Why not.09:31
Guest72355Maybe can get more users with a cheap one.09:32
Guest72355Otherwise hard to compete with Android perhaps.09:32
flohackBut you need the processing power. Radio, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, Gyro, GPS, Touch, 3D acceleration, hw decoding etc...09:32
flohackAlll these features people want09:32
flohackToday09:32
flohackAll at the same time09:32
flohackSo Pi? not enough power09:32
Guest72355But a lot of power users and devs could be interested in a cheap linux phone even without the latest specs I think. The same people that buy the raspberry Pi, which is kind of popular and also cute and adorable.09:34
Guest72355Anyway, you know what I want : D09:34
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Guest72355our09:35
Guest72355Will go and exercise now09:35
flohackAnyone here with experience how to modify kernel cmdline? :)09:52
aiyionhas somebody got an idea about how hard it is to get the mesh mode on a nexus 4 to work?18:27
aiyioniw phy phy0 info | sed -n '/Supported interface/,/so/{/so/b;p}'18:28
aiyionreturns IBSS, managed, PA, p2p-client, p2p-go18:28
aiyionbut no 'mesh'18:28
dobeywell that was weird this morning; android is indeed linux19:58
aiyionwell, then something easier.20:31
aiyionHas someone managed to lock/unlock his phone via cli?20:32
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aiyiondone here. In case anybody else can use this for the future:21:54
aiyionloginctl is your friend.21:54
aiyionand power-cli helps with starting the display.21:55
aiyiongood night everyone21:55
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