flohack | Good Morning! | 09:05 |
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flohack | Anyone here with Samsung experience? Regarding boot.img files | 09:05 |
Test | Hello. Any progress? I want linux on my phones and tablets. Android is not Linux. | 09:10 |
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Guest72355 | Hello. Any progress? I want Linux on my phones and tablets. Android is not Linux. | 09:11 |
flohack | Morning | 09:12 |
flohack | Your question is too specific. Yes there is always some progress, but it depends what is the outcome that you could use | 09:12 |
flohack | Sorry meant your question is too generic ;) | 09:13 |
Guest72355 | Haha : ) Ok. But please give the world the gift of real Linux on smartphones as soon as possible. | 09:14 |
NeKit | Guest72355, the problem is that there are specific devices supported | 09:14 |
NeKit | but people will want to have it for the device they already own... | 09:15 |
Guest72355 | I want my real Terminal on my phone and my real GUI's and everything customizable and open source like I deserve. | 09:15 |
Guest72355 | There are so few devices. Also not available in retail shops where I have looked. | 09:15 |
Guest72355 | Or make a cheap "PiPhone" based on Strawberry Pi or something cheap like that. A phone with Ubuntu which we can order for 25 USD or something. Not so fancy but full Linux and inexpensive. | 09:17 |
flohack | Hmm | 09:17 |
NeKit | did you see a lot of smartphones under 25 USD? :) | 09:17 |
flohack | You put it a bit too easy right now. That will not happen so early | 09:18 |
Guest72355 | If it has Ubuntu and is cheap it wouldn't need to have the fastest specs. | 09:18 |
flohack | We are depending on hardware, and the hardware companies control the market. And because the do not disclose their firmware & drivers, they also control the software | 09:18 |
flohack | You cannot really develop an independent OS on top of proprietary drivers | 09:19 |
flohack | Did you ever look into the architecture stack of current Ubuntu Touch? | 09:19 |
Guest72355 | NeKit no but if the Pi people can make Raspberry Zero for 5 USD then it should be possible to make an open source smartphone for 25 USD. | 09:19 |
flohack | See this https://developer.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_uploaded/136981fa-6287-49d3-9874-06f40b2e4eb7-cms_page_media/380/ubuntu_touch_architecture.png | 09:20 |
flohack | Look to the left, what do you see there? | 09:20 |
Guest72355 | No. (Using Android at the moment. Nothing to the left) | 09:20 |
Guest72355 | I just so happen to think that it is physically and practically possible to make a cheap smart phone with full Linux. | 09:21 |
Guest72355 | Maybe I will go to Shenzhen soon. | 09:21 |
Guest72355 | I can ask the guys over there if you want. | 09:21 |
flohack | If you ignore the facts you will not be successful :) - You can put up any hypothesis for yourself, but it will not hold the facts | 09:21 |
Guest72355 | Think about. Everyone would want a cheap Linux phone like that. A real Samsung killer. I am so fed up with the oligarchy of Google and Samsung. | 09:22 |
NeKit | Raspberry doesn't have any power management, by the way | 09:22 |
flohack | Its not about the price. | 09:22 |
Guest72355 | Flohack so you're saying cheap Linux smart phone can't be done : )? | 09:22 |
flohack | Its about Apps and the Ecosystem | 09:22 |
Guest72355 | Ah, well that's another question | 09:23 |
Guest72355 | If we build the cheap Linux phone the apps will come | 09:23 |
Guest72355 | One way or another | 09:23 |
flohack | Look you can already now put Ubuntu Touch on an old used phone what you can buy for 50€ - so thats ok | 09:23 |
Guest72355 | Cool | 09:23 |
flohack | No they wont, since you need the big companies in the boat. You wanna convince Facebook to make WhatsApp happen on Linux? | 09:23 |
flohack | They want closed platforms, not open ones | 09:24 |
flohack | THink about iTunes | 09:24 |
Guest72355 | Even if I would just have access to all the existing Ubuntu software I would be in heaven : D | 09:24 |
flohack | Apple will never bring any of their stuff to Linux. They want to keep their users together | 09:24 |
Guest72355 | Anything on top of that would be bonus | 09:24 |
Guest72355 | Even if I would just have access to all the existing Ubuntu software I would be in heaven : D | 09:24 |
flohack | This is not how a mobile OS works, dude. Its not desktop in your pocket | 09:24 |
flohack | Actually, well, thats where they want to go | 09:24 |
Guest72355 | Well | 09:25 |
flohack | So the future of Ubuntu is desktop convergence with mobile | 09:25 |
flohack | But, for this you need to be patient | 09:25 |
Guest72355 | I used VNC on my tablet for a long while to control my laptop | 09:25 |
flohack | At least one year, I would assume 2-3 years at least | 09:25 |
Guest72355 | If that works then why not just use Ubuntu directly? | 09:25 |
Guest72355 | The screen was about 10 inch I guess | 09:25 |
flohack | I personally dont believe this will work out :) | 09:25 |
Guest72355 | maybe 11 | 09:25 |
flohack | yes ok but, this is VNC | 09:26 |
Guest72355 | I'm just saying, I am a user and I want Ubuntu Desktop on my smart devices : D | 09:26 |
flohack | this has nothing to do with real applications | 09:26 |
Guest72355 | Let me explain. I did everything that I normally do on Desktop on my tablet using VNC | 09:27 |
flohack | Yes and I tell you, Im also a user, and I also want many things :) | 09:27 |
Guest72355 | Everything. Browsing, coding and so on. | 09:27 |
Guest72355 | So I know I can use my tablet just like a desktop device. | 09:27 |
Guest72355 | I did it for years. | 09:27 |
flohack | yeah nice. But the tablet has proprietary hardware. You need to run Android drivers, not Linux ones. | 09:27 |
flohack | This is dthe difficulty# | 09:27 |
Guest72355 | Just a hassle to go through VNC and many hiccups and disconnect all the time. | 09:27 |
flohack | yes. still you understand what I am writing? | 09:28 |
Guest72355 | I think in Shenzhen people don't respect intellectual property, which could be a good thing. | 09:28 |
flohack | Haha ! | 09:28 |
flohack | Be my guest with a lot of patent fights. How many millions of money you said you have? | 09:28 |
flohack | Its changing also in China# | 09:28 |
flohack | The more capitalistic they get, the more they will also honior IP rights | 09:29 |
flohack | especially for foreigners. | 09:29 |
Guest72355 | Why not just replace all the proprietary electronics in a smartphone or tablet with open sourced ones? | 09:29 |
NeKit | because there is no such thing? | 09:29 |
flohack | Yes you can, but then the price skyrockets | 09:29 |
Guest72355 | Is it really impossible to make a tablet without proprietary parts? | 09:29 |
Guest72355 | Aha | 09:29 |
Guest72355 | Ok well | 09:29 |
flohack | you need to develop everything from scratch. You need to sell millions of devices to keep the price low | 09:29 |
Guest72355 | Well | 09:30 |
Guest72355 | Hmm... | 09:30 |
flohack | Look at fairphone | 09:30 |
flohack | and its price | 09:30 |
flohack | And it is also not fully open sourced | 09:30 |
Guest72355 | How did the Raspberry zero people make the Pi zero so cheap? | 09:30 |
Guest72355 | It must have had its challenges too | 09:30 |
flohack | Ask them maybe | 09:30 |
Guest72355 | Actually good idea | 09:30 |
Guest72355 | But please please flohack try to change your mind about this. Let's give the world... Cheap Linux Phone! | 09:31 |
flohack | Also the processing power of a Pi is much much smaller than of a mobile phone | 09:31 |
flohack | LOL | 09:31 |
Guest72355 | It's acceptable | 09:31 |
flohack | Why it must be cheap | 09:31 |
flohack | I would spend 300$ on a good Linux device | 09:31 |
Guest72355 | If it's got Linux | 09:31 |
Guest72355 | Well... Why not. | 09:31 |
Guest72355 | Maybe can get more users with a cheap one. | 09:32 |
Guest72355 | Otherwise hard to compete with Android perhaps. | 09:32 |
flohack | But you need the processing power. Radio, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, Gyro, GPS, Touch, 3D acceleration, hw decoding etc... | 09:32 |
flohack | Alll these features people want | 09:32 |
flohack | Today | 09:32 |
flohack | All at the same time | 09:32 |
flohack | So Pi? not enough power | 09:32 |
Guest72355 | But a lot of power users and devs could be interested in a cheap linux phone even without the latest specs I think. The same people that buy the raspberry Pi, which is kind of popular and also cute and adorable. | 09:34 |
Guest72355 | Anyway, you know what I want : D | 09:34 |
Guest72355 | I am bitcoinmeetups.org by the way. You can join out chat at t.me/bitcoinmeetups if you want | 09:35 |
Guest72355 | our | 09:35 |
Guest72355 | Will go and exercise now | 09:35 |
flohack | Anyone here with experience how to modify kernel cmdline? :) | 09:52 |
aiyion | has somebody got an idea about how hard it is to get the mesh mode on a nexus 4 to work? | 18:27 |
aiyion | iw phy phy0 info | sed -n '/Supported interface/,/so/{/so/b;p}' | 18:28 |
aiyion | returns IBSS, managed, PA, p2p-client, p2p-go | 18:28 |
aiyion | but no 'mesh' | 18:28 |
dobey | well that was weird this morning; android is indeed linux | 19:58 |
aiyion | well, then something easier. | 20:31 |
aiyion | Has someone managed to lock/unlock his phone via cli? | 20:32 |
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aiyion | done here. In case anybody else can use this for the future: | 21:54 |
aiyion | loginctl is your friend. | 21:54 |
aiyion | and power-cli helps with starting the display. | 21:55 |
aiyion | good night everyone | 21:55 |
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