[09:05] Good Morning! [09:05] Anyone here with Samsung experience? Regarding boot.img files [09:10] Hello. Any progress? I want linux on my phones and tablets. Android is not Linux. === Test is now known as Guest72355 [09:11] Hello. Any progress? I want Linux on my phones and tablets. Android is not Linux. [09:12] Morning [09:12] Your question is too specific. Yes there is always some progress, but it depends what is the outcome that you could use [09:13] Sorry meant your question is too generic ;) [09:14] Haha : ) Ok. But please give the world the gift of real Linux on smartphones as soon as possible. [09:14] Guest72355, the problem is that there are specific devices supported [09:15] but people will want to have it for the device they already own... [09:15] I want my real Terminal on my phone and my real GUI's and everything customizable and open source like I deserve. [09:15] There are so few devices. Also not available in retail shops where I have looked. [09:17] Or make a cheap "PiPhone" based on Strawberry Pi or something cheap like that. A phone with Ubuntu which we can order for 25 USD or something. Not so fancy but full Linux and inexpensive. [09:17] Hmm [09:17] did you see a lot of smartphones under 25 USD? :) [09:18] You put it a bit too easy right now. That will not happen so early [09:18] If it has Ubuntu and is cheap it wouldn't need to have the fastest specs. [09:18] We are depending on hardware, and the hardware companies control the market. And because the do not disclose their firmware & drivers, they also control the software [09:19] You cannot really develop an independent OS on top of proprietary drivers [09:19] Did you ever look into the architecture stack of current Ubuntu Touch? [09:19] NeKit no but if the Pi people can make Raspberry Zero for 5 USD then it should be possible to make an open source smartphone for 25 USD. [09:20] See this https://developer.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_uploaded/136981fa-6287-49d3-9874-06f40b2e4eb7-cms_page_media/380/ubuntu_touch_architecture.png [09:20] Look to the left, what do you see there? [09:20] No. (Using Android at the moment. Nothing to the left) [09:21] I just so happen to think that it is physically and practically possible to make a cheap smart phone with full Linux. [09:21] Maybe I will go to Shenzhen soon. [09:21] I can ask the guys over there if you want. [09:21] If you ignore the facts you will not be successful :) - You can put up any hypothesis for yourself, but it will not hold the facts [09:22] Think about. Everyone would want a cheap Linux phone like that. A real Samsung killer. I am so fed up with the oligarchy of Google and Samsung. [09:22] Raspberry doesn't have any power management, by the way [09:22] Its not about the price. [09:22] Flohack so you're saying cheap Linux smart phone can't be done : )? [09:22] Its about Apps and the Ecosystem [09:23] Ah, well that's another question [09:23] If we build the cheap Linux phone the apps will come [09:23] One way or another [09:23] Look you can already now put Ubuntu Touch on an old used phone what you can buy for 50€ - so thats ok [09:23] Cool [09:23] No they wont, since you need the big companies in the boat. You wanna convince Facebook to make WhatsApp happen on Linux? [09:24] They want closed platforms, not open ones [09:24] THink about iTunes [09:24] Even if I would just have access to all the existing Ubuntu software I would be in heaven : D [09:24] Apple will never bring any of their stuff to Linux. They want to keep their users together [09:24] Anything on top of that would be bonus [09:24] Even if I would just have access to all the existing Ubuntu software I would be in heaven : D [09:24] This is not how a mobile OS works, dude. Its not desktop in your pocket [09:24] Actually, well, thats where they want to go [09:25] Well [09:25] So the future of Ubuntu is desktop convergence with mobile [09:25] But, for this you need to be patient [09:25] I used VNC on my tablet for a long while to control my laptop [09:25] At least one year, I would assume 2-3 years at least [09:25] If that works then why not just use Ubuntu directly? [09:25] The screen was about 10 inch I guess [09:25] I personally dont believe this will work out :) [09:25] maybe 11 [09:26] yes ok but, this is VNC [09:26] I'm just saying, I am a user and I want Ubuntu Desktop on my smart devices : D [09:26] this has nothing to do with real applications [09:27] Let me explain. I did everything that I normally do on Desktop on my tablet using VNC [09:27] Yes and I tell you, Im also a user, and I also want many things :) [09:27] Everything. Browsing, coding and so on. [09:27] So I know I can use my tablet just like a desktop device. [09:27] I did it for years. [09:27] yeah nice. But the tablet has proprietary hardware. You need to run Android drivers, not Linux ones. [09:27] This is dthe difficulty# [09:27] Just a hassle to go through VNC and many hiccups and disconnect all the time. [09:28] yes. still you understand what I am writing? [09:28] I think in Shenzhen people don't respect intellectual property, which could be a good thing. [09:28] Haha ! [09:28] Be my guest with a lot of patent fights. How many millions of money you said you have? [09:28] Its changing also in China# [09:29] The more capitalistic they get, the more they will also honior IP rights [09:29] especially for foreigners. [09:29] Why not just replace all the proprietary electronics in a smartphone or tablet with open sourced ones? [09:29] because there is no such thing? [09:29] Yes you can, but then the price skyrockets [09:29] Is it really impossible to make a tablet without proprietary parts? [09:29] Aha [09:29] Ok well [09:29] you need to develop everything from scratch. You need to sell millions of devices to keep the price low [09:30] Well [09:30] Hmm... [09:30] Look at fairphone [09:30] and its price [09:30] And it is also not fully open sourced [09:30] How did the Raspberry zero people make the Pi zero so cheap? [09:30] It must have had its challenges too [09:30] Ask them maybe [09:30] Actually good idea [09:31] But please please flohack try to change your mind about this. Let's give the world... Cheap Linux Phone! [09:31] Also the processing power of a Pi is much much smaller than of a mobile phone [09:31] LOL [09:31] It's acceptable [09:31] Why it must be cheap [09:31] I would spend 300$ on a good Linux device [09:31] If it's got Linux [09:31] Well... Why not. [09:32] Maybe can get more users with a cheap one. [09:32] Otherwise hard to compete with Android perhaps. [09:32] But you need the processing power. Radio, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, Gyro, GPS, Touch, 3D acceleration, hw decoding etc... [09:32] Alll these features people want [09:32] Today [09:32] All at the same time [09:32] So Pi? not enough power [09:34] But a lot of power users and devs could be interested in a cheap linux phone even without the latest specs I think. The same people that buy the raspberry Pi, which is kind of popular and also cute and adorable. [09:34] Anyway, you know what I want : D [09:35] I am bitcoinmeetups.org by the way. You can join out chat at t.me/bitcoinmeetups if you want [09:35] our [09:35] Will go and exercise now [09:52] Anyone here with experience how to modify kernel cmdline? :) [18:27] has somebody got an idea about how hard it is to get the mesh mode on a nexus 4 to work? [18:28] iw phy phy0 info | sed -n '/Supported interface/,/so/{/so/b;p}' [18:28] returns IBSS, managed, PA, p2p-client, p2p-go [18:28] but no 'mesh' [19:58] well that was weird this morning; android is indeed linux [20:31] well, then something easier. [20:32] Has someone managed to lock/unlock his phone via cli? === Isla_de_Muerte is now known as NwS [21:54] done here. In case anybody else can use this for the future: [21:54] loginctl is your friend. [21:55] and power-cli helps with starting the display. [21:55] good night everyone === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato