[09:05] <flohack> Good Morning!
[09:05] <flohack> Anyone here with Samsung experience? Regarding boot.img files
[09:10] <Test> Hello. Any progress? I want linux on my phones and tablets. Android is not Linux.
[09:11] <Guest72355>  Hello. Any progress? I want Linux on my phones and tablets. Android is not Linux.
[09:12] <flohack> Morning
[09:12] <flohack> Your question is too specific. Yes there is always some progress, but it depends what is the outcome that you could use
[09:13] <flohack> Sorry meant your question is too generic ;)
[09:14] <Guest72355> Haha : ) Ok. But please give the world the gift of real Linux on smartphones as soon as possible.
[09:14] <NeKit> Guest72355, the problem is that there are specific devices supported
[09:15] <NeKit> but people will want to have it for the device they already own...
[09:15] <Guest72355> I want my real Terminal on my phone and my real GUI's and everything customizable and open source like I deserve.
[09:15] <Guest72355> There are so few devices. Also not available in retail shops where I have looked.
[09:17] <Guest72355> Or make a cheap "PiPhone" based on Strawberry Pi or something cheap like that. A phone with Ubuntu which we can order for 25 USD or something. Not so fancy but full Linux and inexpensive.
[09:17] <flohack> Hmm
[09:17] <NeKit> did you see a lot of smartphones under 25 USD? :)
[09:18] <flohack> You put it a bit too easy right now. That will not happen so early
[09:18] <Guest72355> If it has Ubuntu and is cheap it wouldn't need to have the fastest specs.
[09:18] <flohack> We are depending on hardware, and the hardware companies control the market. And because the do not disclose their firmware & drivers, they also control the software
[09:19] <flohack> You cannot really develop an independent OS on top of proprietary drivers
[09:19] <flohack> Did you ever look into the architecture stack of current Ubuntu Touch?
[09:19] <Guest72355> NeKit no but if the Pi people can make Raspberry Zero for 5 USD then it should be possible to make an open source smartphone for 25 USD.
[09:20] <flohack> See this https://developer.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_uploaded/136981fa-6287-49d3-9874-06f40b2e4eb7-cms_page_media/380/ubuntu_touch_architecture.png
[09:20] <flohack> Look to the left, what do you see there?
[09:20] <Guest72355> No. (Using Android at the moment. Nothing to the left)
[09:21] <Guest72355> I just so happen to think that it is physically and practically possible to make a cheap smart phone with full Linux.
[09:21] <Guest72355> Maybe I will go to Shenzhen soon.
[09:21] <Guest72355> I can ask the guys over there if you want.
[09:21] <flohack> If you ignore the facts you will not be successful :) - You can put up any hypothesis for yourself, but it will not hold the facts
[09:22] <Guest72355> Think about. Everyone would want a cheap Linux phone like that. A real Samsung killer. I am so fed up with the oligarchy of Google and Samsung.
[09:22] <NeKit> Raspberry doesn't have any power management, by the way
[09:22] <flohack> Its not about the price.
[09:22] <Guest72355> Flohack so you're saying cheap Linux smart phone can't be done : )?
[09:22] <flohack> Its about Apps and the Ecosystem
[09:23] <Guest72355> Ah, well that's another question
[09:23] <Guest72355> If we build the cheap Linux phone the apps will come
[09:23] <Guest72355> One way or another
[09:23] <flohack> Look you can already now put Ubuntu Touch on an old used phone what you can buy for 50€ - so thats ok
[09:23] <Guest72355> Cool
[09:23] <flohack> No they wont, since you need the big companies in the boat. You wanna convince Facebook to make WhatsApp happen on Linux?
[09:24] <flohack> They want closed platforms, not open ones
[09:24] <flohack> THink about iTunes
[09:24] <Guest72355> Even if I would just have access to all the existing Ubuntu software I would be in heaven : D
[09:24] <flohack> Apple will never bring any of their stuff to Linux. They want to keep their users together
[09:24] <Guest72355> Anything on top of that would be bonus
[09:24] <Guest72355> Even if I would just have access to all the existing Ubuntu software I would be in heaven : D
[09:24] <flohack> This is not how a mobile OS works, dude. Its not desktop in your pocket
[09:24] <flohack> Actually, well, thats where they want to go
[09:25] <Guest72355> Well
[09:25] <flohack> So the future of Ubuntu is desktop convergence with mobile
[09:25] <flohack> But, for this you need to be patient
[09:25] <Guest72355> I used VNC on my tablet for a long while to control my laptop
[09:25] <flohack> At least one year, I would assume 2-3 years at least
[09:25] <Guest72355> If that works then why not just use Ubuntu directly?
[09:25] <Guest72355> The screen was about 10 inch I guess
[09:25] <flohack> I personally dont believe this will work out :)
[09:25] <Guest72355> maybe 11
[09:26] <flohack> yes ok but, this is VNC
[09:26] <Guest72355> I'm just saying, I am a user and I want Ubuntu Desktop on my smart devices : D
[09:26] <flohack> this has nothing to do with real applications
[09:27] <Guest72355> Let me explain. I did everything that I normally do on Desktop on my tablet using VNC
[09:27] <flohack> Yes and I tell you, Im also a user, and I also want many things :)
[09:27] <Guest72355> Everything. Browsing, coding and so on.
[09:27] <Guest72355> So I know I can use my tablet just like a desktop device.
[09:27] <Guest72355> I did it for years.
[09:27] <flohack> yeah nice. But the tablet has proprietary hardware. You need to run Android drivers, not Linux ones.
[09:27] <flohack> This is dthe difficulty#
[09:27] <Guest72355> Just a hassle to go through VNC and many hiccups and disconnect all the time.
[09:28] <flohack> yes. still you understand what I am writing?
[09:28] <Guest72355> I think in Shenzhen people don't respect intellectual property, which could be a good thing.
[09:28] <flohack> Haha !
[09:28] <flohack> Be my guest with a lot of patent fights. How many millions of money you said you have?
[09:28] <flohack> Its changing also in China#
[09:29] <flohack> The more capitalistic they get, the more they will also honior IP rights
[09:29] <flohack> especially for foreigners.
[09:29] <Guest72355> Why not just replace all the proprietary electronics in a smartphone or tablet with open sourced ones?
[09:29] <NeKit> because there is no such thing?
[09:29] <flohack> Yes you can, but then the price skyrockets
[09:29] <Guest72355> Is it really impossible to make a tablet without proprietary parts?
[09:29] <Guest72355> Aha
[09:29] <Guest72355> Ok well
[09:29] <flohack> you need to develop everything from scratch. You need to sell millions of devices to keep the price low
[09:30] <Guest72355> Well
[09:30] <Guest72355> Hmm...
[09:30] <flohack> Look at fairphone
[09:30] <flohack> and its price
[09:30] <flohack> And it is also not fully open sourced
[09:30] <Guest72355> How did the Raspberry zero people make the Pi zero so cheap?
[09:30] <Guest72355> It must have had its challenges too
[09:30] <flohack> Ask them maybe
[09:30] <Guest72355> Actually good idea
[09:31] <Guest72355> But please please flohack try to change your mind about this. Let's give the world... Cheap Linux Phone!
[09:31] <flohack> Also the processing power of a Pi is much much smaller than of a mobile phone
[09:31] <flohack> LOL
[09:31] <Guest72355> It's acceptable
[09:31] <flohack> Why it must be cheap
[09:31] <flohack> I would spend 300$ on a good Linux device
[09:31] <Guest72355> If it's got Linux
[09:31] <Guest72355> Well... Why not.
[09:32] <Guest72355> Maybe can get more users with a cheap one.
[09:32] <Guest72355> Otherwise hard to compete with Android perhaps.
[09:32] <flohack> But you need the processing power. Radio, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, Gyro, GPS, Touch, 3D acceleration, hw decoding etc...
[09:32] <flohack> Alll these features people want
[09:32] <flohack> Today
[09:32] <flohack> All at the same time
[09:32] <flohack> So Pi? not enough power
[09:34] <Guest72355> But a lot of power users and devs could be interested in a cheap linux phone even without the latest specs I think. The same people that buy the raspberry Pi, which is kind of popular and also cute and adorable.
[09:34] <Guest72355> Anyway, you know what I want : D
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[09:35] <Guest72355> Will go and exercise now
[09:52] <flohack> Anyone here with experience how to modify kernel cmdline? :)
[18:27] <aiyion> has somebody got an idea about how hard it is to get the mesh mode on a nexus 4 to work?
[18:28] <aiyion> iw phy phy0 info | sed -n '/Supported interface/,/so/{/so/b;p}'
[18:28] <aiyion> returns IBSS, managed, PA, p2p-client, p2p-go
[18:28] <aiyion> but no 'mesh'
[19:58] <dobey> well that was weird this morning; android is indeed linux
[20:31] <aiyion> well, then something easier.
[20:32] <aiyion> Has someone managed to lock/unlock his phone via cli?
[21:54] <aiyion> done here. In case anybody else can use this for the future:
[21:54] <aiyion> loginctl is your friend.
[21:55] <aiyion> and power-cli helps with starting the display.
[21:55] <aiyion> good night everyone