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| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 10:32 |
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| penguin42 | that's odd, my zesty machine is moaning that 12.04 LTS is near and my Precise machines need upgrading | 13:48 |
| tamj0rd2 | Would anyone be able to tell me how I can auto-login to xchat-gnome? | 15:42 |
| Azelphur | Well I just had a fun adventure, gf found a set of keys with a USB stick attached to them on a bench (clearly fallen out of someones pocket), took them home, plugged the USB stick in, dead. Fixed the USB stick, found the owners CV on there, went to his house, returned the keys \o/ | 17:53 |
| penguin42 | haha | 17:54 |
| MartijnVdS | https://ac3freedomday.org/ | 17:54 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: :D | 18:05 |
| daftykins | i'd hope for a finders fee for going that far :> | 18:05 |
| Azelphur | Haha I don't mind, I'd be worried if I lost my keys, especially if they had a USB stick with my address attached. Thought the guy could be locked out or something. | 18:07 |
| themanwho | has anyone seen pavel | 18:07 |
| themanwho | lets play a game | 18:12 |
| daftykins | ... | 18:12 |
| themanwho | join the dots | 18:13 |
| themanwho | can you guess this place ... ...... ...... .. ....... | 18:15 |
| daftykins | are you in Southampton? | 18:16 |
| themanwho | why | 18:17 |
| themanwho | why do you ask | 18:17 |
| daftykins | i like to play 'guess the location' from virgin media hostnames | 18:17 |
| themanwho | really why | 18:18 |
| popey | me too :) | 18:18 |
| daftykins | :D | 18:18 |
| themanwho | ? | 18:18 |
| daftykins | i don't have an answer for you. | 18:19 |
| themanwho | ok did you guess the word | 18:19 |
| daftykins | aww yeah just scored a 40" 1080p TV for my folks for £65 on a local trade site | 18:20 |
| themanwho | ok i'll give you a clue it is the name of a place across the ocean | 18:20 |
| themanwho | count the dots and guess | 18:22 |
| themanwho | .h. u...e. .t.t.. .f ....i.a | 18:23 |
| marshmn | Canada? | 18:23 |
| themanwho | wrong | 18:24 |
| marshmn | :( | 18:24 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Of that's OK | 18:24 |
| Azelphur | Llanfairpwllgwyngyll? | 18:24 |
| themanwho | correct for the middle part daftkins | 18:24 |
| themanwho | ok here it is | 18:24 |
| themanwho | ... | 18:25 |
| daftykins | i didn't even guess | 18:25 |
| themanwho | the united states of america | 18:25 |
| marshmn | oh right | 18:25 |
| themanwho | daftykins that's a good price for a television what brand is it | 18:27 |
| themanwho | i don't recommend smart tv though as they can be hacked into apparently | 18:28 |
| daftykins | lol. | 18:29 |
| themanwho | which brand | 18:29 |
| themanwho | is it vizio | 18:30 |
| daftykins | no. | 18:30 |
| themanwho | sony | 18:30 |
| daftykins | sorry but as bored as you may be, i'm not hugely keen on your gobby style :) | 18:31 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I bought myself a JVC branded one in a Dixons bank holiday sale last year, the firmware in it is awful | 18:31 |
| themanwho | i am not hugely keen on your rudeness either daftykins | 18:31 |
| daftykins | unlucky then | 18:32 |
| themanwho | but i suppose with you it comes naturally lol | 18:32 |
| daftykins | penguin42: heh, what for - smart functionality or general UI operation for settings, etc? | 18:32 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It's not very smart anyway; but hmm lets see | 18:33 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: OK, so the normal one is that the schedule view is awful, there's a bug where the UI slowly slows down as you use it more and more | 18:33 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: But the fun bug is if you have it on SCART and then type a channel number (to switch back to DTV) it switches to the channel-1 from what you typed | 18:33 |
| daftykins | ah ok so Freeview EPG? | 18:33 |
| daftykins | hehe :D | 18:34 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Yeh, it only shows a pretty narrow range (one hour perhaps two programs?) before you have to scroll | 18:34 |
| daftykins | no connectivity or method for update then? | 18:34 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It does have ether on it, but I've not let it connect anywhere | 18:34 |
| daftykins | or perhaps even gamble with a factory reset to see if it helps | 18:34 |
| daftykins | well you don't need it to go online directly necessarily, i'd just see if there's a version # and anything on their website | 18:35 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It responds to a wget on port 80 but I've not found any page that returns anything :-) | 18:35 |
| themanwho | "Touche" | 18:36 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I'm pretty sure it's a rebadge of one made under a zillion different brands, it responds to the same key sequence to get into the factory settings as this range of cheap ones | 18:37 |
| daftykins | ah har, i believe that was often the style of the ol' Japan Victor Company :> | 18:38 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Nod, I think it's more just a brand name rather than anything more these days | 18:38 |
| themanwho | still ranting are you daftykins oh shame | 18:39 |
| daftykins | yeah, they dropped the ball i think in the TV world | 18:39 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It's a LT-42c550, the Mac address shows up as Shenzhen MTC, I can see it matches a haier.com model | 18:40 |
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| themanwho | daftykins the sooner you get your head out the sand the sooner we can be on speaking terms | 18:43 |
| daftykins | penguin42: Dixons/Currys purchase? | 18:47 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Right | 18:47 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Dirt cheap | 18:47 |
| daftykins | http://uk.jvc-service.net/webtemp/LT-40C550%20LT-40C551%20LT-50C550%20Instruction%20Book.pdf?CFID=23885494&CFTOKEN=24503902 | 18:47 |
| daftykins | found a manual for a 40C550 | 18:48 |
| themanwho | get help daftykins for your own good | 18:48 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Right, I've got the manual - with the TV! | 18:48 |
| themanwho | just some advice take it or leave it up to you! | 18:48 |
| daftykins | yeah i suppose my point was more that it makes no mention of a 42... and there were no downloads on the website of JVC UK | 18:48 |
| themanwho | JVC is a crappy tv | 18:49 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Right, I guess it's a case of 'what cheap panels have we got this week?' | 18:49 |
| themanwho | it went out in the nineties | 18:49 |
| themanwho | lol | 18:50 |
| daftykins | i'd probably poke around in the menus for any sign of an update option, but it doesn't look likely | 18:50 |
| daftykins | nope looks like there's none, factory reset is there though :D | 18:51 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Nod, I should probably check their site as well again, or I could ping them since I did spend the extra on the 'everything' guarantee | 18:52 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It doesn't need a reset | 18:52 |
| daftykins | how do you know? tried it once before, or you think setting it up from new was enough to consider it a permanent bug? i'm just bringing up the options... | 18:53 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Well none of the bugs feel like settings bugs | 18:53 |
| daftykins | *shrug* i believe in trying with the little control you do have access to, makes no sense to assume up front | 18:54 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Nod, I just solve the problem by mostly using my existing PVR on it and avoiding most of it's interface | 18:55 |
| daftykins | mmm TVs have definitely just become glorified monitors now | 18:55 |
| penguin42 | right | 18:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | glorified monitors with ideas above their station... eavsdropping and spying on you... :-P | 20:06 |
| penguin42 | this one hasn't got cameras or mics that I know of | 20:07 |
| zmoylan-pi | well with your phones, tablets and laptops your place is well covered anyway... :-) | 20:09 |
| penguin42 | zmoylan-pi: Yes, although if you were bugging someone perhaps it would be better ot put it in something people didn't expect to be smart, like a plain lightbulb | 20:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | so when governments start giving people a free smartbulb we should worry? | 20:10 |
| diddledan | My Dad's YouView box updated yesterday. now he's got horrible BT Branding on it everywhere - the only reason they provide is "because you have a BT broadband connection we've commandeered your third-party device" | 20:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | in 2008 my then smartphone started showing vodafone adverts on all the pages i browsed... i rang to see how i could turn that silliness off and when told i couldn't took out and used pliers on the sim... | 20:12 |
| diddledan | I mean if he'd bought a BT Vision box I could understand it having BT Branding, but he specifically bought a box that wasn't tied to an ISP | 20:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | he might be able to sue them for damaging his device... | 20:12 |
| daftykins | hmm. | 20:12 |
| daftykins | seems a little wild to expect there to be *no* connection at all for it to have done it | 20:12 |
| penguin42 | zmoylan-pi: Oh they wouldn't be telling you they're smartbulbs, they'd just be free/cheap normal bulbs - they wouldn't advertise smartness, they'd just be suspiciously cheap | 20:12 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: Do you think they're the same brand/model as the one BT uses and they're updating off an update server local to the ISP? | 20:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | can't you make a rasp pi become a ad blocker for everything on the network? | 20:14 |
| diddledan | if Dad had had a TalkTalk broadband seemingly it would have branded itself as a TalkTalk box in that update | 20:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | maybe there's a way to replace the corporate logos in the firmware with your own gif/jpeg... | 20:15 |
| daftykins | ;) | 20:15 |
| diddledan | no it's specifically because BT and TalkTalk are two members of the consortium that created YouView and now they're commandeering any YouView box that wasn't sold as a "BT Vision" or a "TalkTalk TV" box when the owner is on their network | 20:15 |
| daftykins | ah har | 20:16 |
| diddledan | it's still underhanded IMO | 20:16 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: Complain to OFCOM? | 20:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | a nice FakeNewsCorp™ branding would be topical... :-) | 20:16 |
| diddledan | Dad chose specifically NOT to buy a BT Vision box! | 20:17 |
| diddledan | penguin42: aye | 20:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | as far as i'm concerned bt branding your firmware with adverts/logos of their crap is completely wrong... but i'm not usually seen as the calm reasoned device when companies mess with my hardware software | 20:17 |
| * diddledan sits with zmoylan-pi on the grouch bench | 20:18 | |
| diddledan | maybe I'm turning into a gerroff my lawn person | 20:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | we have official walkings sticks to wave in the air :-) | 20:19 |
| diddledan | and to bash teenagers' ankles | 20:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | too obvious... with skill you can catch the rubber sole at back of shoe as they walk past and pull their shoe off as they pass /accidently/ | 20:20 |
| diddledan | they're great for shoving into a passing cyclist's spokes :-p | 20:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | bonus points for doing this as they walk through a puddle | 20:20 |
| diddledan | lol | 20:20 |
| diddledan | we're gonna turn into awesome old people! | 20:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | nah, my family dies young so i have to get my fun in now :-) | 20:21 |
| diddledan | aww :-( | 20:21 |
| diddledan | we'll mourn the day we have no more pi! | 20:22 |
| daftykins | cyclist hate :( | 20:22 |
| diddledan | daftykins: :-p | 20:22 |
| daftykins | mind you my lane is pedestrianised and sometimes i imagine the same when cheeky swines cycle down it | 20:22 |
| daftykins | of course i never cycle to my door *cough* | 20:23 |
| diddledan | lol | 20:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | i shall create a bot that a) insults ms b) loves nokia c) disses the new scripting language/technology of the week | 20:23 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: you mean it's gonna be you++ | 20:23 |
| daftykins | :D | 20:23 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-lie | 20:23 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-aws? | 20:24 |
| diddledan | maybe zmoylan-lambda? | 20:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | zx-moylan... :-P | 20:24 |
| diddledan | wow, that's hardcore botting! | 20:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | as long as there's no earthquakes to cause ram pack wobble... | 20:24 |
| Azelphur | umm, what on earth is going on here? https://dpaste.de/t3kr dd is saying no space left on device at 8GB on a brand new 240GB Sandisk drive I picked up from Maplin | 20:24 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: What does it say in /proc/partitions ? | 20:25 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: http://pastebin.com/YRynBD5h | 20:25 |
| diddledan | how big is frontroomrescue.img? | 20:26 |
| Azelphur | 112G | 20:26 |
| diddledan | although, I'd prefer to call the hunky men from the Fire Service to perform any Front Room Rescues | 20:27 |
| daftykins | it's a faaaaaaake! | 20:27 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: Weird, it looks sane | 20:27 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: haha, it's the frontroom computer and I had to use ddrescue on the drive that failed | 20:27 |
| diddledan | daftykins: fake all the thangs! | 20:27 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: if it's a fake...then this is big | 20:27 |
| diddledan | especially the news! | 20:27 |
| Azelphur | because, I bought it from a maplin brick&mortar store | 20:27 |
| daftykins | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs | 20:28 |
| diddledan | nice clip! | 20:28 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: Even the fakes I dont think fail like that, they just wrap around :-) | 20:28 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 20:28 |
| diddledan | I feel like buying the ST:E boxset | 20:28 |
| daftykins | also lul 'sudo' with root | 20:28 |
| daftykins | muscle memory :) | 20:29 |
| diddledan | lol, I missed that | 20:29 |
| diddledan | I do that a lot | 20:29 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: haha, yea | 20:29 |
| diddledan | I like the incantation "sudo !!" for when I meant to sudo the previous command. makes me think I'm saying "SUDO DAMMIT!!" | 20:29 |
| daftykins | that's a thing for previous? | 20:29 |
| diddledan | yup | 20:30 |
| daftykins | D: | 20:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | i recently rewatched st:e for first time in a few years... it has finally grown on me | 20:30 |
| daftykins | meh i cursor up, home, sudo | 20:30 |
| daftykins | ;D | 20:30 |
| diddledan | I keep using different systems with completely disparate keyboards so I never know where the home key is | 20:31 |
| diddledan | plus my mac doesn't have a single home key | 20:31 |
| daftykins | that's why they need to die in a fire | 20:32 |
| Azelphur | well that's interesting | 20:32 |
| diddledan | some mac apps use fn-leftarra, others use cmd-leftarra, and yet others use shift-fn-leftarra, and more use shift-cmd-leftarra | 20:32 |
| Azelphur | I plugged it into my desktop and ran gparted | 20:32 |
| Azelphur | it says it'll fix it | 20:32 |
| diddledan | jim did that | 20:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | you need a nice big single button for those macro jobs... http://imgur.com/KHtFXem | 20:32 |
| diddledan | and then he apparently fiddled it | 20:33 |
| daftykins | diddledan: some of his fixes weren't welcome | 20:33 |
| daftykins | much like gparteds :P | 20:33 |
| diddledan | lol | 20:33 |
| diddledan | I'm waiting for the parody song "Jim'll fiddle with you (and you, and you)" | 20:34 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: surely just a quick zero to the start would start making things see sense... | 20:34 |
| Azelphur | maybe, but then surely dding a raw image file is essentially the same thing | 20:34 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: also how is it that you always manage to get wonky hardware situations like this? cursed you are! | 20:34 |
| diddledan | "and papa papa papa. just don't tell papa" | 20:34 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: I think it's more that I buy a lot of hardware | 20:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | ...or fishing hardware out of bottom of bargin bin... | 20:35 |
| daftykins | well not really, because i do too for clients and never have anything like you do :) | 20:35 |
| * Azelphur shrugs | 20:35 | |
| Azelphur | daftykins: the first SSD that failed was a Chinese cheapy SSD that people said was good | 20:35 |
| Azelphur | it was not good, it failed. | 20:35 |
| daftykins | you and your dodgy deals, oy | 20:36 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 20:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | i made a lot of my hardware problems go away when i managed to steer my bosses away from cheapest hardware options... | 20:36 |
| daftykins | there we go, zmoylan-pi i'm assigning you to Azelphur for purchase persuasion :> | 20:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | what brand is this new modem? uhhh.... ::flips box around a few times:: modem | 20:37 |
| daftykins | "you had me at AT" | 20:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | some of these modems wanted no truck with at commands.... :-/ | 20:39 |
| Azelphur | hehe, there are some things I'll cheap out on, and some things I won't, depends what it is. | 20:39 |
| daftykins | so is it showing the full size yet? :> | 20:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | my first rule was... if someone has to travel to backend of the country spend a few pennies extra and save a few extra trips | 20:41 |
| diddledan | you see Wendell from Level1Techs on BoobTube made an old Hayes 1200bps modem into a computer which has an emulated modem connection to a raspi zero running various BBS archives?! | 20:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | link? | 20:42 |
| * zmoylan-pi goes binging... | 20:42 | |
| * diddledan scurries off to find | 20:42 | |
| diddledan | https://youtu.be/3j-Rb9u3EHc | 20:42 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: I decided to try doing it from my PC | 20:43 |
| Azelphur | just to see what happens | 20:43 |
| diddledan | I take offense at the suggestion that modem sounds are "horrible screeching noises" | 20:44 |
| Azelphur | looks like it might be working on my PC :) | 20:47 |
| daftykins | were you using a banana earlier? | 20:48 |
| diddledan | nana! | 20:48 |
| * diddledan like nana | 20:48 | |
| Azelphur | was using my home server | 20:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | i was hoping he'd used the front leds for email, twitter, rss notifications :-) | 20:48 |
| diddledan | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/BananaMan_Introduction_Shot.JPG | 20:48 |
| Azelphur | speaking of my home server, I'm sure you'll get a kick out of my nagios alert atm | 20:49 |
| Azelphur | CRIT - 97.6% used (13.21 of 13.54 TB), (warn/crit at 80.00/90.00%), trend: +119.82 GB / 24 hours | 20:49 |
| diddledan | is it alarming? | 20:49 |
| diddledan | you're using 13.2TB of storage?! | 20:49 |
| Azelphur | yep | 20:49 |
| diddledan | even my *cough* legal movie rips aren't using more than 5 or 6TB | 20:50 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: yea, we do have a lot of things, there are backups and stuff too on there | 20:50 |
| Azelphur | I've got another 5TB drive ready to go in the array, Dell Perc H310 in the post since I've used all my motherboards SATA ports now | 20:50 |
| diddledan | what FS or RAID are you using? | 20:51 |
| Azelphur | ext4 raid6 | 20:51 |
| * diddledan geeks-out | 20:51 | |
| Azelphur | just softraid, mdadm | 20:51 |
| diddledan | aah, I've got my 4x4TB running on ZFS | 20:51 |
| diddledan | 4xz3** | 20:51 |
| diddledan | 4x3** | 20:51 |
| daftykins | /dev/sdb1 22T 9.4T 13T 43% /media/array2 | 20:52 |
| daftykins | not a lorra growth there | 20:52 |
| diddledan | got a pair of 10GbE cards coming in the next week or two | 20:52 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: yea, I hear you can't expand ZFS though | 20:52 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: nice | 20:52 |
| daftykins | ooh funky, switch or are you going to save moneys with a direct cable? | 20:53 |
| daftykins | oof amazon results for 10GbE NICs aren't promising | 20:54 |
| diddledan | you can, but you need to plan ahead of time for how you expect to extend it - you add VDEVs which must be matched with those already in the pool you want to extend - so my 4x3TB disks are two pairs of mirrored VDEVs so to add more storage I can either replace one disk at a time with a larger capacity and resilver until each vdev is using the larger size, OR | 20:54 |
| diddledan | I can add further mirror pairs | 20:54 |
| diddledan | for now I'm going direct connect | 20:54 |
| diddledan | got a pair of these coming: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chelsio-10GB-2-Ports-PCI-e-Opt-Card-LP-Bracket-PCI-E-110-1088-30/351969892022?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140620091118%26meid%3Dc79f851eb96e441c81d1b103d86954c9%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D252776901036 | 20:55 |
| daftykins | my my | 20:55 |
| diddledan | they work with freenas ootb | 20:56 |
| diddledan | that's the preferred brand for freenas | 20:56 |
| daftykins | what've you got with low profile slots o0 rack kit? | 20:56 |
| diddledan | I went with the same for my vmware esxi | 20:56 |
| Azelphur | wow, that's very cheap | 20:57 |
| diddledan | they're really difficult to find with normal brackets :-( so I've got coming from france a pci-e riser ribbon cable | 20:57 |
| daftykins | ooh-err | 20:58 |
| diddledan | I did look for someone selling some kind of bracket that combines a pcie extension with a bracket to adapt a low-profile card into a standard slot, but nada | 20:58 |
| daftykins | mm suppose it wouldn't just unscrew and come off looking at the style of connector on the reverse | 20:58 |
| diddledan | it's an SFP+ port on the back - fibre | 20:59 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: could probably DIY something pretty easily | 20:59 |
| daftykins | yeah, figured as much | 20:59 |
| diddledan | got transeivers coming from a separate purchase | 20:59 |
| daftykins | i'd have been tempted to chop the slot top yeah XD | 20:59 |
| daftykins | transceivers too! | 20:59 |
| daftykins | although trans sieves are delightfully PC | 21:00 |
| diddledan | the transeivers fit in the SFP+ ports | 21:00 |
| diddledan | you can get a card with the transeivers for about £40-50 on ebay | 21:00 |
| daftykins | just teasing your spelling | 21:01 |
| diddledan | ah. well caught | 21:01 |
| * diddledan seives some transexuals | 21:01 | |
| diddledan | and just to be fully compliant, some transvestites too | 21:02 |
| daftykins | very good, sir | 21:03 |
| diddledan | oh, I forgot the transisters | 21:05 |
| diddledan | spelign | 21:05 |
| diddledan | transistors* | 21:05 |
| * diddledan sieves some transistors too | 21:06 | |
| diddledan | Merkel's WTF face: https://twitter.com/SarahWoodwriter/status/842900666288812032/photo/1? | 21:58 |
| daftykins | XD | 21:59 |
| daftykins | have you seen the pic suggesting Trump is actually a squirrel hiding in a human suit? | 21:59 |
| daftykins | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/12/b4/23/12b42318e461025b7f0cb37eb056c435.jpg | 21:59 |
| daftykins | oops delightfully family friendly link | 22:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | only if the squirrel believes it's a dog and gets distracted every time it sees itself... | 22:02 |
| Azelphur | well, that drive dd'd successfully with its 99.9% from ddrescue and it boots and seems to work | 22:24 |
| Azelphur | calling it a win xD | 22:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | declare victory and move on... tis the best way :-) | 22:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | i think america has a mission accomplished banner you can get cheap :-P | 22:26 |
| Azelphur | gparted didn't recognise the swap partition as a partition at all, so I'm guessing the 0.01% loss was in the swap partition | 22:29 |
| Azelphur | which is useful | 22:30 |
| * brobostigon reports, apparently his DM'ing was good, and all had fun. | 22:30 | |
| zmoylan-pi | no tpk?! | 22:30 |
| m0nkey_ | Question for you guys, how's ZFS stability on Ubuntu right now? | 22:31 |
| diddledan | no idee | 22:49 |
| diddledan | pas d'idee** | 22:49 |
| ali1234 | what's a good video editor these days? | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | anything in the snap store? | 23:26 |
| ali1234 | trying shotcut... | 23:29 |
| diddledan | adobe premiere? ;-) | 23:30 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't work :( | 23:36 |
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