[06:35] morning all [06:41] "/window scroll up" [06:41] that didnt work as expected [06:45] fixed it [14:40] good mornings [14:40] good afternoon [14:58] afternoon guys [14:59] always good and you nsnzero? [14:59] oh and good afternoon to smile as well [15:00] just enjoying a sunday afternoon inetpro , thanks for asking [15:07] looking for a online virtual machine - not bother to try out google's or aws [15:42] why not google's nsnzero ? [15:43] hi magellanic - needs credit card details thats not an option i like [15:43] ah, even if you choose the free tier? https://cloud.google.com/free/ [15:43] irbot .quit [15:45] even the free tier requires card details to prevent abuse / bots [15:45] okay :( [15:46] but its pretty nice otherwise , free for a year as well [15:51] yeah it used to be 6 months, they made it a year [15:53] they competing with aws [15:57] where can you a get VM without needing credit card though? [15:58] do you also need a online vm magellanic ? [16:02] no just asking, I use google cloud ;) [16:05] ok - my search continues [16:08] if you are worried about run away costs, you can set monthly budgets in $ value and alerts on percentages of the budget as you hit them [16:09] i just want to mess around - so i am worried i dont get slapped with a bill - if all else fails i will check out google cloud [16:11] if you put in a budget of $1, you can use the free tier up and a max of $1 for the month [16:12] good to know magellanic thanks for the info [16:16] sure, for how to set it up see https://support.google.com/cloud/answer/6293540?hl=en [16:21] thanks again magellanic - btw can you ssh into it or is it browser based ? [16:30] I could be wrong about the hard limit, seems budgets might just be for alerts/notifications as you hit them [16:30] you can ssh into it, default image used is a debian server type setup iirc [16:34] ssh in is fine - no hard cap , thats a problem [16:37] let me create a test project and test it [16:40] i want to run some online apps [16:44] will let you know, I created a project with $1 budget, and started up a beefy vm in it, will see what it does when it hits the limit [16:44] keep me posted as well [17:21] o/ [17:28] hi superfly [17:28] yo nsnzero [17:28] how you doing superfly ? [17:29] nsnzero: can't complain, though last week was a busy and stressful week. [17:30] nsnzero: bought a car, had to redo my learner's and my drivers (and did both on the same day), had a panel interview. [17:31] thats a lot of stuff - but the good news is that it is done and dusted - wont have to worry about it again [17:32] Yes. I was so glad to have it all over and done with. [17:35] but american life is a little laid back - if i am to believe sitcoms [17:38] sorry for being late, been sorting ups power for lappy and router, cople of hours with no power this morning got me scheming [17:39] hi Kilos [17:39] hi nsnzero [17:39] windmill generator Kilos ? [17:39] if a ups can run a desktop pc for 5 mins without shutting down a lappy should go much longer [17:41] who is aak ? [17:41] a spy [17:41] good evening aak welcome to ubuntu-za [17:41] well a honest 1 at that [17:41] good evening [17:42] hi aak [17:42] if you need linux help just state the prob and wait till someone gets to you aak [17:43] thanks :) I just like creeping channels from different countries though. #ubuntu-za is one of the bigger ones for RSA [17:44] you welcome to hang out here [17:44] thanks [17:44] some clever geeks lurk here [17:45] and there's me [17:48] and im the greeter bot [17:48] at times [17:50] is anyone of you from Cape Town? one of my favourite cities :) [17:50] brb [17:51] we have a few guys down there paddatrapper is one [17:51] o/ [17:51] how is it on this sunday evening? [17:52] pretty hot [17:52] ohi superfly [17:52] hi Kilos [17:52] when we get more job news sir? [17:53] Kilos: when I have more. [17:53] oh they havent given you dates [17:53] aak: quiet and burning (fire in Rooiels [17:54] Hi superfly [17:54] how is new ibid doing you two [17:55] hi paddatrapper, all good? [17:55] Kilos: ask paddatrapper, I've been buried under other things... [17:56] i think he is kinda deeply buried as well [17:56] hellooo inetpro [17:56] hi Kilos [17:56] and welcome back as well [17:57] you generating your own power now? [17:57] ty very much now i should have constant power depending on how long a ups can run a lappy [17:57] Kilos: I bought a car on Monday, rewrote my leaner's and redid my drivers on Wednesday, got insurance sorted out on Thursday and had that interview on Friday. Was a little busy this week ;-) [17:57] no man nsn missed the boat [17:58] nsn? [17:58] wonderful news superfly keep it up [17:58] nsnzero [17:58] i just got a ups going and trying that [17:59] just a tip [17:59] im sure there are many ups's lying around that just need battery charged [17:59] if it runs completely flat it wont start charging again [18:00] \you take battery and charge it with a car charger the put it back and everything works again [18:00] batteries that have really run out are pretty useless [18:00] superfly: yeah all good. Made a Tomahawk axe head [18:00] nope this one been dead for a year [18:01] Kilos: ibid is waiting on tumbleweed [18:01] with the rubbish batteries they put in those things (not real deep cycle) a single complete discharge will massively hurt future battery life, probably only a few full discharges to kill them completely [18:01] but chrged full and runs desktop for 5 mins without flagging [18:01] only the beep bepp bepp is annoying [18:02] thats including the screen [18:02] deep cycle is what you need Kilos [18:02] they come with deep cycles i think [18:02] ill test how long this one can run the lappy and router [18:03] battery industry is a pretty deceptive one, theres 'deep cycle' and then theres real deep cycle [18:03] well whatever ups's come with this one seems to work after charging with car charger [18:03] 'deep cycle' batteries should never be discharged below 50%, true deep cycle batteries you can discharge 100% but they are not nearly as common and cost a lot more [18:04] no money for batteries it was actually an experimenyt [18:04] UPS almost always has the first variety [18:04] well if it works great, but keep an eye on how long it lasts :p [18:04] well i hope it keeps me going a while at least [18:05] hi guys [18:05] will wait for a power cut then see how long it last MaNI [18:06] hopefully doesnt fully discharge again as you say that ruins the battery [18:06] but at least ill have time to finish what im doing and shutdown properly [18:06] can be cheaper to buy a new battery than all the circuitry as well of course, so still nice to pick a used one up sometimes [18:06] and the router will stay on [18:07] Kilos: build yourself a dam with a watermill [18:07] routers are painful, even a short cut and they need to reboot and setup everything [18:07] lol [18:07] dont find work for me [18:08] then put a few panels to pump water into the dam during the daytime [18:08] hehe [18:09] the farmer here has a 24 volt panel pump system that keeps the water tank full [18:09] when tank full he switches it to the dam for the centre pivot irrigation [18:09] * inetpro remembers the days as a kid, my uncle had a watermill powering his tuckshop and home [18:09] hack a car alternator to the windmill Kilos [18:10] no windmills here [18:10] Kilos: add to your todo list - 1. build a windmill [18:11] hey man stop trying to find work for me , im supposed to take it easy [18:11] i am old you know [18:11] hehe [18:13] lol - i am just pulling your leg Kilos [18:13] Kilos: do you have an old washing machine? [18:14] nope [18:15] actually yes but im rewiring it [18:15] rats ate the wiring [18:15] old drill :p [18:15] then it will work as a washing machine again [18:15] Kilos: cause you can use an old washing machine to generate electricity [18:16] we have electricity just often get cuts because eskom doesnt cut the trees along the line [18:16] i just want to keep online when it cuts [18:17] car battery with a small dc to ac convertor Kilos [18:18] the ups has a good inverter in it [18:18] dont you guys have any work you should be doing [18:19] Maaz coffee on [18:19] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [18:19] Maaz coffee for all [18:19] Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please [18:19] but 5 mins for a ups is very short [18:20] that was running the desktop and i didnt let it run till it stopped, [18:20] Kilos: chappie in New Zealand powers his whole house from his washing machine generator: http://pasteboard.co/Lo1SwesAU.png [18:20] might have lasted 30 mins who knows [18:20] didnt you read dont run it totally flat [18:21] I really like this concept, http://www.aresnorthamerica.com/ - hope it takes off [18:22] only if its nicd batteries - for lead acid and nimh doesnt matter [18:22] looks interesting and doable superfly [18:22] for someone without power [18:22] Maaz: coffee please [18:22] inetpro: Sure [18:23] Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! [18:23] Kilos: I want to do that anyway :-) [18:23] whew inetpro you jus made it [18:23] running lead acid flat is very bad for it - only doesn't matter for lead-crystal or li-* [18:23] did you time the bot inetpro [18:23] Maaz danke [18:23] Bitteschön [18:25] hi thatgraemeguy night shift? [18:25] superfly: that's a cool idea [18:26] MaNI: +1 NOTE: Discharging a lead acid battery below 10.5 volts will severely damage it! [18:26] MaNI: the only way to see that working is by building it yourself [18:26] or rather by getting others to build as well [18:27] you need some more views inetpro [18:27] hehe, I don't have access to a steep enough hill or heavy enoguh weights for it to be of any use to me, one of those techs that only makes sense on a large scale [18:27] is he using water to drive it [18:27] hopefully it takes off in america though, I've al ways been a big pumped storage fan, but the need for a giant dam and whatnot is quite limiting, this train thing is like pumped storage but with less limits [18:28] MaNI did you ever look at those free electricity links i posted a year or more ago [18:28] * inetpro agrees [18:28] one was teslas idea [18:28] unfortunately it still needs too much space [18:28] no such thing as free electricity, hehe [18:28] did you view the tesla report [18:29] i think it was to use radio waves in the air [18:29] inetpro: here's the full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ieFZI4-6K8 [18:29] ill look for the links and post them again [18:29] what tesla was researching was a form of transmission not generation [18:29] superfly: no data to view that now, but thanks [18:30] I like the idea [18:30] ill find the links [18:30] not now [18:30] and while it was interesting it was also somewhat terrifying - basically use a part of the atmosphere to transfer huge amounts of electricity around the world - I think now that we understand things a lot more it's generally considered a bad idea [18:31] which doesn't take away fromh is achievements of the time, he was quite ahead of the curve, but it's a shame that so many people use his name to peddle scams and stuff now [18:31] yip he was brilliant [18:32] this is also pretty interesting, but you'd need some sort of air pressure which you can't get in nature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrnul6ixX90 [18:34] tesla had ideas that were way ahead of his time [18:44] talking about tesla, superfly you still use nikola? [18:48] inetpro: yep, I need to move my blog to Nikola [18:49] you can also host with gitlab pages these days [18:49] https://docs.gitlab.com/ce/user/project/pages/introduction.html [18:49] Yes, I know. [18:50] inetpro: you can use Nikola to generate those pages [18:56] wb kulelu88 [19:02] superfly: there's no Nikola CI template [19:03] inetpro: when I looked the other day there was a project you could fork [19:04] superfly: https://gitlab.com/pages/nikola [19:04] that one ^^ ? [19:06] Yes, I think so [19:16] thanks inetpro [19:18] So, the crazy thing about the US: I have a 3.3 litre V6 engine in my minivan [19:21] superfly: and? [19:22] big engines will always be a part of the us auto industry [19:22] that just means glug, glug, glug... [19:23] yup [19:33] petrol should be relatively cheap though [19:36] hi kulelu88 [19:36] hey nsnzero [19:38] petrol is cheaper than it is here - hence the big engines in the us [19:40] * inetpro good night evrybody [19:40] night inetpro [19:41] s/\/me // [19:47] good night all - off to do some reading