[06:35] <nsnzero> morning all
[06:41] <nsnzero> "/window scroll up"
[06:41] <nsnzero> that didnt work as expected 
[06:45] <nsnzero> fixed it 
[14:40] <inetpro> good mornings
[14:40] <smile> good afternoon
[14:58] <nsnzero> afternoon guys
[14:59] <inetpro> always good and you nsnzero?
[14:59] <inetpro> oh and good afternoon to smile as well
[15:00] <nsnzero> just enjoying a sunday afternoon inetpro , thanks for asking 
[15:07] <nsnzero> looking for a online virtual machine - not bother to try out google's or aws
[15:42] <magellanic> why not google's nsnzero ?
[15:43] <nsnzero> hi magellanic - needs credit card details thats not an option i like
[15:43] <magellanic> ah, even if you choose the free tier? https://cloud.google.com/free/
[15:43] <nsnzero> irbot .quit
[15:45] <nsnzero> even the free tier requires card details to prevent abuse / bots 
[15:45] <magellanic> okay :(
[15:46] <nsnzero> but its pretty nice otherwise , free for a year as well 
[15:51] <magellanic> yeah it used to be 6 months, they made it a year
[15:53] <nsnzero> they competing with aws
[15:57] <magellanic> where can you a get VM without needing credit card though?
[15:58] <nsnzero> do you also need a online vm magellanic ?
[16:02] <magellanic> no just asking, I use google cloud ;)
[16:05] <nsnzero> ok - my search continues 
[16:08] <magellanic> if you are worried about run away costs, you can set monthly budgets in $ value and alerts on percentages of the budget as you hit them
[16:09] <nsnzero> i just want to mess around - so i am worried i dont get slapped with a bill - if all else fails i will check out google cloud
[16:11] <magellanic> if you put in a budget of $1, you can use the free tier up and a max of $1 for the month
[16:12] <nsnzero> good to know magellanic thanks for the info
[16:16] <magellanic> sure, for how to set it up see https://support.google.com/cloud/answer/6293540?hl=en
[16:21] <nsnzero> thanks again  magellanic - btw can you ssh into it or is it browser based ?
[16:30] <magellanic> I could be wrong about the hard limit, seems budgets might just be for alerts/notifications as you hit them
[16:30] <magellanic> you can ssh into it, default image used is a debian server type setup iirc
[16:34] <nsnzero> ssh in is fine - no hard cap , thats a problem
[16:37] <magellanic> let me create a test project and test it
[16:40] <nsnzero> i want to run some online apps 
[16:44] <magellanic> will let you know, I created a project with $1 budget, and started up a beefy vm in it, will see what it does when it hits the limit
[16:44] <nsnzero> keep me posted as well 
[17:21] <superfly> o/
[17:28] <nsnzero> hi superfly 
[17:28] <superfly> yo nsnzero
[17:28] <nsnzero> how you doing superfly ?
[17:29] <superfly> nsnzero: can't complain, though last week was a busy and stressful week.
[17:30] <superfly> nsnzero: bought a car, had to redo my learner's and my drivers (and did both on the same day), had a panel interview.
[17:31] <nsnzero> thats a lot of stuff - but the good news is that it is done and dusted - wont have to worry about it again
[17:32] <superfly> Yes. I was so glad to have it all over and done with.
[17:35] <nsnzero> but american life is a little laid back - if i am to believe sitcoms 
[17:38] <Kilos> sorry for being late, been sorting ups power for lappy and router, cople of hours with no power this morning got me scheming
[17:39] <nsnzero> hi Kilos 
[17:39] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[17:39] <nsnzero> windmill generator Kilos ?
[17:39] <Kilos> if  a ups can run a desktop pc for 5 mins without shutting down a lappy should go much longer
[17:41] <Kilos> who is aak ?
[17:41] <aak> a spy
[17:41] <Kilos> good evening aak welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:41] <nsnzero> well a honest 1 at that 
[17:41] <aak> good evening
[17:42] <nsnzero> hi aak 
[17:42] <Kilos> if you need linux help just state the prob and wait till someone gets to you aak 
[17:43] <aak> thanks :) I just like creeping channels from different countries though. #ubuntu-za is one of the bigger ones for RSA
[17:44] <Kilos> you welcome to hang out here
[17:44] <aak> thanks
[17:44] <Kilos> some clever geeks lurk here
[17:45] <nsnzero> and there's me 
[17:48] <Kilos> and im the greeter bot
[17:48] <Kilos> at times
[17:50] <aak> is anyone of you from Cape Town? one of my favourite cities :)
[17:50] <nsnzero> brb
[17:51] <Kilos> we have a few guys down there paddatrapper is one
[17:51] <paddatrapper> o/
[17:51] <aak> how is it on this sunday evening?
[17:52] <superfly> pretty hot
[17:52] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[17:52] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:52] <Kilos> when we get more job news sir?
[17:53] <superfly> Kilos: when I have more.
[17:53] <Kilos> oh they havent given you dates
[17:53] <paddatrapper> aak: quiet and burning (fire in Rooiels
[17:54] <paddatrapper> Hi superfly
[17:54] <Kilos> how is new ibid doing you two
[17:55] <superfly> hi paddatrapper, all good?
[17:55] <superfly> Kilos: ask paddatrapper, I've been buried under other things...
[17:56] <Kilos> i think he is kinda deeply buried as well
[17:56] <Kilos> hellooo inetpro 
[17:56] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[17:56] <inetpro> and welcome back as well
[17:57] <inetpro> you generating your own power now?
[17:57] <Kilos> ty very much now i should have constant power depending on how long a ups can run a lappy
[17:57] <superfly> Kilos: I bought a car on Monday, rewrote my leaner's and redid my drivers on Wednesday, got insurance sorted out on Thursday and had that interview on Friday. Was a little busy this week ;-)
[17:57] <Kilos> no man nsn missed the boat
[17:58] <inetpro> nsn?
[17:58] <Kilos> wonderful news superfly keep it up
[17:58] <Kilos> nsnzero
[17:58] <Kilos> i just got a ups going and trying that
[17:59] <Kilos> just a tip
[17:59] <Kilos> im sure there are many ups's lying around that just need battery charged
[17:59] <Kilos> if it runs completely flat it wont start charging again
[18:00] <Kilos> \you take battery and charge it with a car charger the put it back and everything works again
[18:00] <inetpro> batteries that have really run out are pretty useless
[18:00] <paddatrapper> superfly: yeah all good. Made a Tomahawk axe head 
[18:00] <Kilos> nope this one been dead for a year
[18:01] <paddatrapper> Kilos: ibid is waiting on tumbleweed
[18:01] <MaNI> with the rubbish batteries they put in those things (not real deep cycle) a single complete discharge will massively hurt future battery life, probably only a few full discharges to kill them completely
[18:01] <Kilos> but chrged full and runs desktop for 5 mins without flagging
[18:01] <Kilos> only the beep bepp bepp is annoying
[18:02] <Kilos> thats including the screen
[18:02] <inetpro> deep cycle is what you need Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> they come with deep cycles i think
[18:02] <Kilos> ill test how long this one can run the lappy and router
[18:03] <MaNI> battery industry is a pretty deceptive one, theres 'deep cycle' and then theres real deep cycle
[18:03] <Kilos> well whatever ups's come with this one seems to work after charging with car charger
[18:03] <MaNI> 'deep cycle' batteries should never be discharged below 50%, true deep cycle batteries you can discharge 100% but they are not nearly as common and cost a lot more
[18:04] <Kilos> no money for batteries it was actually an experimenyt
[18:04] <MaNI> UPS almost always has the first variety
[18:04] <MaNI> well if it works great, but keep an eye on how long it lasts :p
[18:04] <Kilos> well i hope it keeps me going a while at least
[18:05] <nsnzero> hi guys 
[18:05] <Kilos> will wait for a power cut then see how long it last MaNI 
[18:06] <Kilos> hopefully doesnt fully discharge again as you say that ruins the battery
[18:06] <Kilos> but at least ill have time to finish what im doing and shutdown properly
[18:06] <MaNI> can be cheaper to buy a new battery than all the circuitry as well of course, so still nice to pick a used one up sometimes
[18:06] <Kilos> and the router will stay on
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: build yourself a dam with a watermill
[18:07] <Kilos> routers are painful, even a short cut and they need to reboot and setup everything
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Kilos> dont find work for me
[18:08] <inetpro> then put a few panels to pump water into the dam during the daytime
[18:08] <MaNI> hehe
[18:09] <Kilos> the farmer here has a 24 volt panel pump  system that keeps the water tank full
[18:09] <Kilos> when tank full he switches it to the dam for the centre pivot irrigation
[18:09]  * inetpro remembers the days as a kid, my uncle had a watermill powering his tuckshop and home
[18:09] <nsnzero> hack a car alternator to the windmill Kilos 
[18:10] <Kilos> no windmills here
[18:10] <nsnzero> Kilos: add to your todo list - 1. build a windmill 
[18:11] <Kilos> hey man stop trying to find work for me , im supposed to take it easy
[18:11] <Kilos> i am old you know
[18:11] <Kilos> hehe
[18:13] <nsnzero> lol - i am just pulling your leg Kilos
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: do you have an old washing machine?
[18:14] <Kilos> nope
[18:15] <Kilos> actually yes but im rewiring it
[18:15] <Kilos> rats ate the wiring
[18:15] <MaNI> old drill :p
[18:15] <Kilos> then it will work as a washing machine again
[18:15] <superfly> Kilos: cause you can use an old washing machine to generate electricity
[18:16] <Kilos> we have electricity just often get cuts because eskom doesnt cut the trees along the line
[18:16] <Kilos> i just want to keep online when it cuts
[18:17] <nsnzero> car battery with a small dc to ac convertor Kilos 
[18:18] <Kilos> the ups has a good inverter in it
[18:18] <Kilos> dont you guys have any work you should be doing
[18:19] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[18:19]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:19] <Kilos> Maaz coffee for all
[18:19] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please
[18:19] <nsnzero> but 5 mins for a ups is very short 
[18:20] <Kilos> that was running the desktop and i didnt let it run till it stopped,
[18:20] <superfly> Kilos: chappie in New Zealand powers his whole house from his washing machine generator: http://pasteboard.co/Lo1SwesAU.png
[18:20] <Kilos> might have lasted 30 mins who knows
[18:20] <Kilos> didnt you read dont run it totally flat
[18:21] <MaNI> I really like this concept, http://www.aresnorthamerica.com/ - hope it takes off
[18:22] <nsnzero> only if its nicd batteries - for lead acid and nimh doesnt matter 
[18:22] <Kilos> looks interesting and doable superfly 
[18:22] <Kilos> for someone without power
[18:22] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[18:22] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[18:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[18:23] <superfly> Kilos: I want to do that anyway :-)
[18:23] <Kilos> whew inetpro you jus made it
[18:23] <MaNI> running lead acid flat is very bad for it - only doesn't matter for lead-crystal or li-*
[18:23] <Kilos> did you time the bot inetpro 
[18:23] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[18:23] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:25] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy night shift?
[18:25] <inetpro> superfly: that's a cool idea
[18:26] <nsnzero> MaNI: +1 NOTE: Discharging a lead acid battery below 10.5 volts will severely damage it!
[18:26] <inetpro> MaNI: the only way to see that working is by building it yourself
[18:26] <inetpro> or rather by getting others to build as well
[18:27] <Kilos> you need some more views inetpro 
[18:27] <MaNI> hehe, I don't have access to a steep enough hill or heavy enoguh weights for it to be of any use to me, one of those techs that only makes sense on a large scale
[18:27] <Kilos> is he using water to drive it
[18:27] <MaNI> hopefully it takes off in america though, I've al ways been a big pumped storage fan, but the need for a giant dam and whatnot is quite limiting, this train thing is like pumped storage but with less limits
[18:28] <Kilos> MaNI did you ever look at those free electricity links i posted a year or more ago
[18:28]  * inetpro agrees
[18:28] <Kilos> one was teslas idea
[18:28] <inetpro> unfortunately it still needs too much space
[18:28] <MaNI> no such thing as free electricity, hehe
[18:28] <Kilos> did you view the tesla report
[18:29] <Kilos> i think it was to use radio waves in the air
[18:29] <superfly> inetpro: here's the full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ieFZI4-6K8
[18:29] <Kilos> ill look for the links and post them again
[18:29] <MaNI> what tesla was researching was a form of transmission not generation
[18:29] <inetpro> superfly: no data to view that now, but thanks
[18:30] <inetpro> I like the idea
[18:30] <Kilos> ill find the links
[18:30] <Kilos> not now
[18:30] <MaNI> and while it was interesting it was also somewhat terrifying - basically use a part of the atmosphere to transfer huge amounts of electricity around the world - I think now that we understand things a lot more it's generally considered a bad idea
[18:31] <MaNI> which doesn't take away fromh is achievements of the time, he was quite ahead of the curve, but it's a shame that so many people use his name to peddle scams and stuff now
[18:31] <Kilos> yip he was brilliant
[18:32] <superfly> this is also pretty interesting, but you'd need some sort of air pressure which you can't get in nature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrnul6ixX90
[18:34] <nsnzero> tesla had ideas that were way ahead of his time 
[18:44] <inetpro> talking about tesla, superfly you still use nikola?
[18:48] <superfly> inetpro: yep, I need to move my blog to Nikola
[18:49] <inetpro> you can also host with gitlab pages these days
[18:49] <inetpro> https://docs.gitlab.com/ce/user/project/pages/introduction.html
[18:49] <superfly> Yes, I know.
[18:50] <superfly> inetpro: you can use Nikola to generate those pages
[18:56] <inetpro> wb kulelu88
[19:02] <inetpro> superfly: there's no Nikola CI template 
[19:03] <superfly> inetpro: when I looked the other day there was a project you could fork
[19:04] <inetpro> superfly: https://gitlab.com/pages/nikola
[19:04] <inetpro> that one ^^ ?
[19:06] <superfly> Yes, I think so
[19:16] <kulelu88> thanks inetpro 
[19:18] <superfly> So, the crazy thing about the US: I have a 3.3 litre V6 engine in my minivan
[19:21] <inetpro> superfly: and?
[19:22] <nsnzero> big engines will always be a part of the us auto industry
[19:22] <inetpro> that just means glug, glug, glug...
[19:23] <superfly> yup
[19:33] <kulelu88> petrol should be relatively cheap though
[19:36] <nsnzero> hi kulelu88 
[19:36] <kulelu88> hey nsnzero 
[19:38] <nsnzero> petrol is cheaper than it is here - hence the big engines in the us 
[19:40]  * inetpro good night evrybody
[19:40] <nsnzero> night inetpro 
[19:41] <inetpro> s/\/me //
[19:47] <nsnzero> good night all - off to do some reading