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Vamhello i want to autostart a script file can anybody help me???18:14
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Shawn|4650Mhowdy21:45
Shawn|4650Mhow come I can't book from the harddrive I just installed lubuntu onto?21:45
Shawn|4650Mits hooked up via esata21:45
lynorianShawn|4650M, do you have power to the esata drive as esata is not usually powered unlike some 2.5 in usb drives?21:46
Shawn|4650Myes21:47
Shawn|4650Mit installed properly, and I see the harddrive via bios setup21:47
Shawn|4650Mits running fine21:47
Shawn|4650Mit just didn't install a bootloader, and I can't select seperate harddrives to boot from in this dell bios21:47
Shawn|4650Mwould plop work?21:48
lynorianShawn|4650M, plop won't work here as it is not USB21:48
Shawn|4650Meh?21:48
lynorianYou would need something like grub21:48
Shawn|4650Mdoes plop not work with sata harddrives?21:49
Shawn|4650MI thought iti did21:49
Shawn|4650M*it did21:49
lynorianok yeah it might but you would need to chainload a linux bootloader to boot21:49
lynorianlubuntu21:50
lynorianwhich uses grub2 as default21:50
Shawn|4650Mis there a grub 2 disk I could boot to get to the linux installed on (S6) harddrive?21:50
lynorianShawn|4650M, well since this is plugged into the wall anyway will you be removing this drive and taking it to different computers21:51
lynorianthis changes how you want grub setup21:51
Shawn|4650Mno I wont be21:51
Shawn|4650MI'm just wanting to use it on this computer for a while21:51
Shawn|4650Mas a linux drive21:51
lynorianYou can install grub to any disk then and have it basically boot from any disk on the system21:52
Shawn|4650Mthe primary disk, an SSD is a windows7  hard disk21:52
Shawn|4650Mif I install it over windows, would it destroy the windows partition?21:52
lynorianno it would not destroy the windows partition21:52
Shawn|4650Mah21:52
Shawn|4650Mso I would want to install to (S6)21:53
lynorianShawn|4650M, I know grub can install and then chainload the windows loader21:54
Shawn|4650Mdoes rufus destroy supergrub2disk?21:54
lynorianI have not used rufus so I would not know21:55
Shawn|4650Mwell, I dont know what else to use21:55
lynorianShawn|4650M, well it is a usb so you can just make it supergrub2disk again back on the USB21:56
lynorianalthough I know that works with dd but you need to point it at the right target21:57
Shawn|4650Mokay21:57
Shawn|4650Mwill try21:57
Shawn|4650Mbrb21:57
lynorianso it can be dangerous21:57
Shawn|4650Mah21:57
Shawn|4650Mitis on the right disk21:57
Shawn|4650Mit uses dd selectively21:57
Shawn|i7-Q720Mwell22:09
Shawn|i7-Q720Msupergrub2disk wont boot for some reason22:09
Shawn|i7-Q720MI think rufus is breaking it22:09
melodiethen don't use it22:09
Shawn|i7-Q720Mis it compatible with BIOS systems?22:09
melodiethere are many ways to reinstall grub22:10
Shawn|i7-Q720Mwell melodie what the heck am I going to use?22:10
melodiecan you describe the issue you meet with and the context?22:10
Shawn|i7-Q720Mthe context22:10
Shawn|i7-Q720MI have installed lubuntu to an esata drive22:10
melodieok22:10
Shawn|i7-Q720Myes its powered and yes my bios sees it22:10
melodieok22:11
Shawn|i7-Q720Mit shows up as another toshiba drive with (S6)22:11
melodiewhere is installed the grub which is meant to boot to it?22:11
melodieon the host machine where the e-sata is attached, or on the esata drive?22:11
Shawn|i7-Q720MI dont know where it installed grub if it even did22:11
melodieyou should tell the Grub which is on the main machine to boot the e-sata drive22:12
melodiewhat os do you have on it?22:12
Shawn|i7-Q720Mand how would I do that22:12
melodiewhat os do you have on it?22:12
Shawn|i7-Q720Mwell this is my primary drive, windows 7 64-bit on ssd22:12
melodiemaybe the UEFI might be nice with you, is there a special menu you can prompt at the start of the computer? Such as F12 or so?22:13
melodieand give you the choice of the device to boot first22:13
melodieI'd guess your computer has UEFI and not BIOS, but anyway the idea is the same22:14
Shawn|i7-Q720MI dont think this laptop has UEFI22:14
Shawn|i7-Q720Mits got a bios22:14
melodiewhich brand and model?22:14
Shawn|i7-Q720Mdell studio 174722:14
Shawn|i7-Q720Mit does have F1222:14
melodieok, then let the e-sata drive attached, hit suppr, or F1 or F2, whatever takes you inside the BIOS and reconfigure the boot order preference22:14
melodieok22:14
Shawn|i7-Q720MI have tried it, although I can't open the harddrive selection, when I hit enter on harddrive, it wont show me whats in it22:14
Shawn|i7-Q720Malready re-arranged boot order22:15
Shawn|i7-Q720Mto (s6)22:15
melodieok and you say F12 does not help?22:15
melodieI mean sometimes it takes BIOS + F12 to get it to boot to else than the main hdd22:15
Shawn|i7-Q720MI can't expand the harddrive plus thing22:16
Shawn|i7-Q720Mif I could I would22:16
melodieif you doubt Grub2 was installed correctly to your e-sata drive, you can boot again the Lubuntu which you used to install, and install it from there with the command line22:16
Shawn|i7-Q720Mbut space doesn't expand the harddrive portion of f12 boot manager22:16
melodiewhat about "Enter" instead of the space bar?22:17
melodie:)22:17
Shawn|i7-Q720MI already said it doesn't help22:17
melodieyou said "space"22:18
Shawn|i7-Q720Menter just selects boot device22:18
melodienot the return key22:18
Shawn|i7-Q720Mbefore I said space I said when I hit enter22:18
melodieok22:18
melodieso let's say you reboot to Lubuntu with the "just try" boot option, and from there you re-install grub on the e-sata using the command line22:18
Shawn|i7-Q720Mwhen I boot from lubuntu's first harddrive option, it says boot error22:18
melodieyou open a console, do "sudo -s", open pcmanfm file manager, mount manually the e-sata drive22:19
Shawn|i7-Q720MI have no idea how to reinstall grub222:19
wxlare we sure this is not a corrupted install? were the hashes checked?22:19
Shawn|i7-Q720MI have installed 3 times, the hard drive is fine, its been running in a sony laptop22:19
melodieShawn|i7-Q720M read what I tell you : I am right now beginning to explain how to do that22:19
Shawn|i7-Q720MI aint blind22:19
melodiegood22:20
wxlso the hashes were checked?22:20
melodieshould I continue?22:20
Shawn|i7-Q720MI dont know if hashes were checked or not22:20
wxlthen i'd suggest they weren't22:20
wxlyou should first check the hashes of the iso22:20
Shawn|i7-Q720Mokay22:20
wxlthen when you go to boot to do the install, run the self check22:20
wxlone single bit of difference can lead to all sorts of weird problems22:21
melodieShawn|i7-Q720M have you downloaded with your web browser, or using a special tool meant to download files? Such as uget, wget in Linux or Free Download Manager or µtorrent in Windows?22:21
Shawn|i7-Q720MI ran the self check, it checks out22:21
Shawn|i7-Q720Mno errors22:21
Shawn|i7-Q720MI have downloaded the full 64-bit iso22:21
melodieare you sure your computer is able to boot from e-sata?22:22
Shawn|i7-Q720Mand rufused it22:22
wxlwith what methodology is what @melodie is asking?22:22
Shawn|i7-Q720Mit should22:22
melodierufus...22:22
melodiewxl I let you go on :)22:22
Shawn|i7-Q720Mive not had a problem with rufus22:22
wxlshould means you have booted some system from eSATA before?22:23
Shawn|i7-Q720Mnot from esata22:23
wxlwell that may be the issue22:23
Shawn|i7-Q720Mo.O22:23
wxlyou should consult your manual and ensure it CAN22:23
wxlthere's this maxim about assumptions…22:23
Shawn|i7-Q720MIt can22:24
Shawn|i7-Q720Mperhaps the drive hasn't been flagged as bootable22:24
wxli can't imagine that installing on eSATA would be any different than installing on any other media22:25
wxlwell, i can, but i think that's unlikely22:25
Shawn|i7-Q720Mits not22:25
melodiewxl it might be a BIOS side issue too22:25
Shawn|i7-Q720MI'm gonna boot from the lubuntu live session22:25
Shawn|i7-Q720Mbrb22:26
wxlthat's a good idea22:26
Shawn|i7-Q720Mand check it22:26
wxltoss the iso on the drive and see if you can boot it22:26
wxli've seen other people have less than stellar luck with rufus22:26
melodiewxl he does not know how to reinstall grub from the command line, I would have done that, then check if the constructor has put out a new version of his bios22:26
melodiewxl I don't trust those gui tools either. :)22:27
wxl+1 melodie :)22:27
wxldd or die!22:27
wxlthere is ONE gui tool i trust: mkusb22:27
melodieI trust multiboot with Grub2 :D22:30
melodieI found docs which allowed me to have ISOS of Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Bento, Debian, Manjaro and a few others on a USB stick and all of them I have been able to boot using Grub2 and an adapted grub.cfg22:31
melodiemkusb is not really a gui...22:32
wxltrue enough :)22:32
melodieit's a script which is pretty close to dd22:33
Kamilionoh, hey melodie.22:35
melodiehello Kamilion !22:37
melodieI read your reply from github22:38
melodieI'll look forward to the next brew ! :)22:38
Kamilionoddly enough it looks like 14.04 lacks qt5 for python222:38
melodiehow are you?22:38
Kamilionso either you can 'make PYTHON=python3 PYQT=5' or give 'python3 installer.py' a shot22:39
melodiewell never mind for my needs, I kept the former versions of customizer which aren't online anymore ^^22:39
Kamilionthey're still online.22:39
KamilionI inherited the repo, https://github.com/kamilion/customizer/releases22:39
melodieI haven't been able to find them, it seems the old repos all redirects to your last version available22:39
melodieok I take a quick look22:40
Kamilionplus there's branches in the new repo22:40
Kamilionmaster, development, stable, precise22:40
Kamilionthe installer even has a method to switch between all four (to make testing easier on me)22:40
melodieok22:40
melodieI can't learn anything right now, it's late here and I'm in a middle of several things currently these days which aren't directly linked22:41
Kamilionthe 'precise' branch has been untouched other than the installer added22:41
melodieI had to force myself to update the Bento ISOs and go post the issue on github22:41
Kamilionqt4 only, python2 only22:41
melodiePrecise is way too old22:41
melodieand Trusty begins to be quite old too22:42
Kamilionno, i'm not touching it, because it works on precise still22:42
Kamilionso i'm leaving that branch be22:42
melodieit's ok, just I'll ask you just what I need. Have you seen, another person commented on my issue22:42
melodieKamilion next time I'll use Customizer will be in a new install with an Ubuntu Xenial, to produce Bento Xenial versions, then I'll retry using your latest branch22:45
melodieKamilion http://downloads.linuxvillage.org/?C=M;O=D :)22:47
Kamilionno rush22:49
Kamilionalso, very very little of the under-the-hood scripts have changed22:49
Kamilionit's almost all changes to the GUI portion, and now all of the code supports running under python2 or python3, and both QT4 and QT5.22:50
Kamilionthe only thing that changed for the under-the-hood script is if it detects an i686 iso, it will choose a different kernel name22:50
Kamilionlinux-image-generic instead of linux-signed-generic22:51
melodieyes, and I finally found using the command line so simple and straightforward that it seems I don't need more (I use the remote server)22:51
Kamilion(and now in the most recent ones, you can read through the commits and learn how to override the kernel if neither is to your liking)22:51
Kamilionsame here22:51
Kamilionhttps://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/buildscripts/xenial/build.sh22:52
melodiethere are other things I need to learn, not related to the good changes you did in the scripts22:52
melodieor some are22:52
Kamilionyeah, package names change across releases22:52
melodiewell, for instance, I don't know how to use the HOOK option in the config file22:52
Kamilionhttps://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/buildscripts/xenial/autobuild-mini.customizer.hook.sh22:53
Kamilionwrite a little script, and it gets copied into the target and executed with bash.22:53
Kamilionthis one checks out it's own repo and runs the build scripts from it.22:53
melodieare you still using Lubuntu as your basis?22:54
Kamilionyep!22:54
melodiewould you like to give a whirl with Bento, or with Sushi?22:54
melodieit's very close, lighter, just it lacks EFI22:55
Kamilioni doubt it's as light as my minilubuntu22:55
melodiewell give a try to Sushi then22:55
melodie:)22:55
melodieI doubt it would be heavier22:55
KamilionI already spent a lot of time removing every package and library I didn't need22:55
Kamilionall the video playback, gone22:55
melodiewell don't do that, just give it a try?22:55
melodiehttp://downloads.linuxvillage.org/?C=M;O=D22:56
melodielook at the size?22:56
melodie64bits 383M22:57
Kamilionyeah, my dom0 only is 144MB22:57
melodiewhat is dom0 ?22:57
Kamilionkamikazi is for xen, which uses dom0 as the management domain, and lots of domu guest domains22:57
melodiethis is a special area which I am not aware22:58
Kamilionyeah, I doubt you'd have run into virtualization at all since you're still ten years back in the 32bit era22:58
melodieSushi is meant to be easy to build a full fledge what you want, on top of a minimalist fully branded for desktops22:58
Kamilionbut these days virtual machines are something most developers make use of22:59
tsimonq2Oh hey, long time no see Kamilion o/22:59
Kamilionyo, simon.22:59
melodieKamilion to be true, sometimes longer ago, as I repair all kinds of oldies, and I do have a few 64bits, but I soon expect a machine with UEFI at home! See how modern I become XD22:59
Kamiliontoday people use tools like docker to compose images automatically...22:59
Kamilionit's even become common on raspberry pi23:00
melodieKamilion good idea!23:00
melodiedocker can be used on Rpi ?23:00
Kamilionhttps://resin.io/23:00
Kamilionthey ported docker to the pi back in 2013... https://resin.io/blog/docker-on-raspberry-pi/23:01
melodieI'm looking : do you use this resin.io ?23:01
Kamilionnope.23:01
melodieok23:01
melodiewhat do you use?23:01
Kamilioni don't use docker.23:01
KamilionI use kamikazi.23:01
melodiedo you use any Raspberry pi?23:01
Kamilionyes.23:01
melodiedo you do everything with kamikazi?23:02
Kamilion.... pretty much :D23:02
Kamilioneven microcontroller development23:02
melodieooké !23:02
Kamilioni have all the package requirements for just unzipping ESP32's compiler23:02
Kamilionand I put all the python packages I liked in23:02
melodieI'm a bit baffled, this is not my area of knowledge at all, just a pair of buddies of mine might enjoy a lot talking with you23:03
melodieI'll bring them in some time23:03
melodieok, thanks for the discussion Kamilion ! keep on well, and see you some time! :D23:03
Kamilionkeep in mind that I've been slowly working on the kamikazi scripts over four years though23:03
melodieI have to go to sleep (some graphics to do for my new flyer tomorrow and a visit to the doc for my son)23:04
Kamilionand the scripts are just to help me use Customizer to make builds fast23:04
Kamilionsleep well!23:04
melodieyes I know it all takes time.23:04
melodiethanks! good evening!23:04
Kamilionnow I'm waiting for 17.04 beta 223:04
Kamilionso i can test all the kamikazi stuff against a similar-to-release 17.0423:05
* tsimonq2 throws the daily image at Kamilion 23:05
tsimonq2;)23:05
Kamilionalready have last night's daily23:05
tsimonq2\o/23:06
Kamilionkamikazi doesn't like dailys though23:06
Kamilionsince it fools around with /etc/os-release23:06
Kamilionit gets angry at numbers23:07
CheetahPixieHello guys.23:09
Kamilionalso, when's 14.04.6 going to show up?23:09
CheetahPixieSo, I have an OEM install of Lubuntu running23:09
CheetahPixieand I wanted to finalize but23:09
tsimonq2Kamilion: Very funny. :P23:09
CheetahPixieno shortcut on desktop for "shipping to end user"23:09
CheetahPixieSo, how do I finalize it?23:09
KamilionI'm not joking?23:10
tsimonq2Kamilion: Oh, in which case, there is no 14.04.6.23:10
KamilionI'm aware of that, when is it getting built? 14.04.5 was August, and it's already nearing april.23:12
Kamilion.4 was built in febuary '1623:12
Kamilionso it should be about time for .623:12
CheetahPixieNo answers?23:13
KamilionCheetahPixie: I don't even know what "OEM Install" is23:13
KamilionI roll my own ISOs23:13
tsimonq2CheetahPixie: Ask on the lubuntu-users list.23:14
Kamilionhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview  Ah. Neat. Still references 12.04 though, and the page was last edited in 2014 by 'lorenzo567'23:15
Kamilionhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/702581/lubuntu-oem-instalation-prepare-for-shipping-to-end-user-missing23:15
KamilionCheetahPixie: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man8/oem-config-prepare.8.html23:16
CheetahPixieFor some reason, that wasn't installed.23:16
Kamilionand a bug23:16
Kamilionhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/144281723:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1442817 in lubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "oem config shows ubuntu with unity slideshow for oem setup" [Undecided,New]23:16
CheetahPixieWell, up it goes.23:16
KamilionCheetahPixie: is that enough googling yet?23:16
CheetahPixieI think so.23:17
CheetahPixieI'm staring down my HTC Wildfire booting Android 4.1 for the first time too so.23:17
Kamilionthat was a wallclock 2 minutes of the first few results for 'lubuntu OEM install'23:17
Kamilionwith the third result being23:18
Kamilion"LUbuntu OEM instalation "Prepare for Shipping to End User" missing ..."23:18
KamilionCheetahPixie: are you actually doing replication for OEM disk imaging, or just installing for a friend?23:19
CheetahPixieSome parts for future reference, other parts so that the person I am installing for can set it up without me having to type or look at them as they set it up.23:20
CheetahPixieie privacy of information.23:20
Kamilionah; I work at a warehouse, so we actually have an in-house ISO we use and provide with the system instead of a preinstall23:21
Kamilionif you had been prepping for an OEM push, I'd have wanted to compare notes :D23:22
Kamilionanyway, looks like you can just open a terminal and execute 'oem-config-prepare', the shortcut icon is just missing23:23
wxlwe have a cloned install with some scripts we can personalize as needed23:24
wxls/\(can\)/\1 use to/23:24
Kamilionlikewise, I publish an ISO that tries hard to reapply customizations23:24
Kamilionhttps://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/resources/xenial/mods/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/18kamikazi_restore23:25
Shawn196|i7okay, success23:25
KamilionI have to do it in really early boot before systemd launches, because I'm touching things like the dbus machine ID, which systemd needs really early on.23:25
wxl@ShellcatZero: with what exactly?23:26
Kamilionhaha, two-letter tab completer23:26
wxlbah23:27
wxlthat's me alright23:27
wxl^^ that emssage was meant for you Shawn196|i723:27
Kamilionsomething with grub, I expect.23:27
Kamilionif you still need help manually installing it, I'm around now.23:27
Shawn196|i7what message wxl?23:28
wxlShawn196|i7: what was successful?23:28
Shawn196|i7was what successful?23:28
Shawn196|i7oh, getting the linux drive to boot23:29
wxlok so we know that your machine can handle booting linux from eSATA23:29
Shawn196|i7indeed23:29
Shawn196|i7no reason why it couldn't23:29
wxlremember what i said about assumptions23:29
wxlthere's ALWAYS a reason why your assumptions are wrong23:30
wxlanyways, we got luck this time23:30
wxlso now what's the issue?23:30
KamilionSo did you need any more help with grub?23:35
Shawn196|i7nah, I need help with finding amd's opensource drivers23:40
wxldon't we all23:41
Kamilionamdgpu?23:41
wxlhttp://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/open-source/23:41
Kamilionor the older radeonhd drivers?23:41
Kamilionhttps://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/23:42
CheetahPixieKamillion , the oem-config package was missing23:44
Shawn196|i7ati mobility radeon hd 465023:44
wxl!radeon23:44
ubottuOpen driver for AMD cards: amdgpu (cards >= GCN1.2 aka GCN 3rd gen), radeon (older cards). Closed drivers: amdgpu-pro (>= GCN1.2) fglrx (older cards, unsupported by AMD in 16.04+). For info on GCN levels, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units . For fglrx info, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD23:44
Kamilionradeonhd then23:45
Shawn196|i7lets see if steam linux can handle it23:45
Kamilionshould be able to.23:45
Kamilioni think that's an r600 generation23:45
Shawn196|i7eh23:46
Shawn196|i7I dont have anythign r60023:46
Kamilionif you have trouble with it -- try the steamos image; it's based off debian but valve harassed AMD and nvidia to provide updated drivers.23:47
Shawn196|i7nah, just installed lubuntu23:47
Kamilionought to work in GL2.123:48
Kamilionwon't get anything fancy like compute shaders, and newer unity games that require GL4 will flip you the bird, but for the most part, anything older should be fine.23:49
Kamilionbut you should definitely get 3D acceleration.23:50

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