[18:14] <Vam> hello i want to autostart a script file can anybody help me???
[21:45] <Shawn|4650M> howdy
[21:45] <Shawn|4650M> how come I can't book from the harddrive I just installed lubuntu onto?
[21:45] <Shawn|4650M> its hooked up via esata
[21:46] <lynorian> Shawn|4650M, do you have power to the esata drive as esata is not usually powered unlike some 2.5 in usb drives?
[21:47] <Shawn|4650M> yes
[21:47] <Shawn|4650M> it installed properly, and I see the harddrive via bios setup
[21:47] <Shawn|4650M> its running fine
[21:47] <Shawn|4650M> it just didn't install a bootloader, and I can't select seperate harddrives to boot from in this dell bios
[21:48] <Shawn|4650M> would plop work?
[21:48] <lynorian> Shawn|4650M, plop won't work here as it is not USB
[21:48] <Shawn|4650M> eh?
[21:48] <lynorian> You would need something like grub
[21:49] <Shawn|4650M> does plop not work with sata harddrives?
[21:49] <Shawn|4650M> I thought iti did
[21:49] <Shawn|4650M> *it did
[21:49] <lynorian> ok yeah it might but you would need to chainload a linux bootloader to boot
[21:50] <lynorian> lubuntu
[21:50] <lynorian> which uses grub2 as default
[21:50] <Shawn|4650M> is there a grub 2 disk I could boot to get to the linux installed on (S6) harddrive?
[21:51] <lynorian> Shawn|4650M, well since this is plugged into the wall anyway will you be removing this drive and taking it to different computers
[21:51] <lynorian> this changes how you want grub setup
[21:51] <Shawn|4650M> no I wont be
[21:51] <Shawn|4650M> I'm just wanting to use it on this computer for a while
[21:51] <Shawn|4650M> as a linux drive
[21:52] <lynorian> You can install grub to any disk then and have it basically boot from any disk on the system
[21:52] <Shawn|4650M> the primary disk, an SSD is a windows7  hard disk
[21:52] <Shawn|4650M> if I install it over windows, would it destroy the windows partition?
[21:52] <lynorian> no it would not destroy the windows partition
[21:52] <Shawn|4650M> ah
[21:53] <Shawn|4650M> so I would want to install to (S6)
[21:54] <lynorian> Shawn|4650M, I know grub can install and then chainload the windows loader
[21:54] <Shawn|4650M> does rufus destroy supergrub2disk?
[21:55] <lynorian> I have not used rufus so I would not know
[21:55] <Shawn|4650M> well, I dont know what else to use
[21:56] <lynorian> Shawn|4650M, well it is a usb so you can just make it supergrub2disk again back on the USB
[21:57] <lynorian> although I know that works with dd but you need to point it at the right target
[21:57] <Shawn|4650M> okay
[21:57] <Shawn|4650M> will try
[21:57] <Shawn|4650M> brb
[21:57] <lynorian> so it can be dangerous
[21:57] <Shawn|4650M> ah
[21:57] <Shawn|4650M> itis on the right disk
[21:57] <Shawn|4650M> it uses dd selectively
[22:09] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> well
[22:09] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> supergrub2disk wont boot for some reason
[22:09] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I think rufus is breaking it
[22:09] <melodie> then don't use it
[22:09] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> is it compatible with BIOS systems?
[22:10] <melodie> there are many ways to reinstall grub
[22:10] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> well melodie what the heck am I going to use?
[22:10] <melodie> can you describe the issue you meet with and the context?
[22:10] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> the context
[22:10] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I have installed lubuntu to an esata drive
[22:10] <melodie> ok
[22:10] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> yes its powered and yes my bios sees it
[22:11] <melodie> ok
[22:11] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> it shows up as another toshiba drive with (S6)
[22:11] <melodie> where is installed the grub which is meant to boot to it?
[22:11] <melodie> on the host machine where the e-sata is attached, or on the esata drive?
[22:11] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I dont know where it installed grub if it even did
[22:12] <melodie> you should tell the Grub which is on the main machine to boot the e-sata drive
[22:12] <melodie> what os do you have on it?
[22:12] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> and how would I do that
[22:12] <melodie> what os do you have on it?
[22:12] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> well this is my primary drive, windows 7 64-bit on ssd
[22:13] <melodie> maybe the UEFI might be nice with you, is there a special menu you can prompt at the start of the computer? Such as F12 or so?
[22:13] <melodie> and give you the choice of the device to boot first
[22:14] <melodie> I'd guess your computer has UEFI and not BIOS, but anyway the idea is the same
[22:14] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I dont think this laptop has UEFI
[22:14] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> its got a bios
[22:14] <melodie> which brand and model?
[22:14] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> dell studio 1747
[22:14] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> it does have F12
[22:14] <melodie> ok, then let the e-sata drive attached, hit suppr, or F1 or F2, whatever takes you inside the BIOS and reconfigure the boot order preference
[22:14] <melodie> ok
[22:14] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I have tried it, although I can't open the harddrive selection, when I hit enter on harddrive, it wont show me whats in it
[22:15] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> already re-arranged boot order
[22:15] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> to (s6)
[22:15] <melodie> ok and you say F12 does not help?
[22:15] <melodie> I mean sometimes it takes BIOS + F12 to get it to boot to else than the main hdd
[22:16] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I can't expand the harddrive plus thing
[22:16] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> if I could I would
[22:16] <melodie> if you doubt Grub2 was installed correctly to your e-sata drive, you can boot again the Lubuntu which you used to install, and install it from there with the command line
[22:16] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> but space doesn't expand the harddrive portion of f12 boot manager
[22:17] <melodie> what about "Enter" instead of the space bar?
[22:17] <melodie> :)
[22:17] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I already said it doesn't help
[22:18] <melodie> you said "space"
[22:18] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> enter just selects boot device
[22:18] <melodie> not the return key
[22:18] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> before I said space I said when I hit enter
[22:18] <melodie> ok
[22:18] <melodie> so let's say you reboot to Lubuntu with the "just try" boot option, and from there you re-install grub on the e-sata using the command line
[22:18] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> when I boot from lubuntu's first harddrive option, it says boot error
[22:19] <melodie> you open a console, do "sudo -s", open pcmanfm file manager, mount manually the e-sata drive
[22:19] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I have no idea how to reinstall grub2
[22:19] <wxl> are we sure this is not a corrupted install? were the hashes checked?
[22:19] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I have installed 3 times, the hard drive is fine, its been running in a sony laptop
[22:19] <melodie> Shawn|i7-Q720M read what I tell you : I am right now beginning to explain how to do that
[22:19] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I aint blind
[22:20] <melodie> good
[22:20] <wxl> so the hashes were checked?
[22:20] <melodie> should I continue?
[22:20] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I dont know if hashes were checked or not
[22:20] <wxl> then i'd suggest they weren't
[22:20] <wxl> you should first check the hashes of the iso
[22:20] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> okay
[22:20] <wxl> then when you go to boot to do the install, run the self check
[22:21] <wxl> one single bit of difference can lead to all sorts of weird problems
[22:21] <melodie> Shawn|i7-Q720M have you downloaded with your web browser, or using a special tool meant to download files? Such as uget, wget in Linux or Free Download Manager or µtorrent in Windows?
[22:21] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I ran the self check, it checks out
[22:21] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> no errors
[22:21] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I have downloaded the full 64-bit iso
[22:22] <melodie> are you sure your computer is able to boot from e-sata?
[22:22] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> and rufused it
[22:22] <wxl> with what methodology is what @melodie is asking?
[22:22] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> it should
[22:22] <melodie> rufus...
[22:22] <melodie> wxl I let you go on :)
[22:22] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> ive not had a problem with rufus
[22:23] <wxl> should means you have booted some system from eSATA before?
[22:23] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> not from esata
[22:23] <wxl> well that may be the issue
[22:23] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> o.O
[22:23] <wxl> you should consult your manual and ensure it CAN
[22:23] <wxl> there's this maxim about assumptions…
[22:24] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> It can
[22:24] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> perhaps the drive hasn't been flagged as bootable
[22:25] <wxl> i can't imagine that installing on eSATA would be any different than installing on any other media
[22:25] <wxl> well, i can, but i think that's unlikely
[22:25] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> its not
[22:25] <melodie> wxl it might be a BIOS side issue too
[22:25] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> I'm gonna boot from the lubuntu live session
[22:26] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> brb
[22:26] <wxl> that's a good idea
[22:26] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> and check it
[22:26] <wxl> toss the iso on the drive and see if you can boot it
[22:26] <wxl> i've seen other people have less than stellar luck with rufus
[22:26] <melodie> wxl he does not know how to reinstall grub from the command line, I would have done that, then check if the constructor has put out a new version of his bios
[22:27] <melodie> wxl I don't trust those gui tools either. :)
[22:27] <wxl> +1 melodie :)
[22:27] <wxl> dd or die!
[22:27] <wxl> there is ONE gui tool i trust: mkusb
[22:30] <melodie> I trust multiboot with Grub2 :D
[22:31] <melodie> I found docs which allowed me to have ISOS of Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Bento, Debian, Manjaro and a few others on a USB stick and all of them I have been able to boot using Grub2 and an adapted grub.cfg
[22:32] <melodie> mkusb is not really a gui...
[22:32] <wxl> true enough :)
[22:33] <melodie> it's a script which is pretty close to dd
[22:35] <Kamilion> oh, hey melodie.
[22:37] <melodie> hello Kamilion !
[22:38] <melodie> I read your reply from github
[22:38] <melodie> I'll look forward to the next brew ! :)
[22:38] <Kamilion> oddly enough it looks like 14.04 lacks qt5 for python2
[22:38] <melodie> how are you?
[22:39] <Kamilion> so either you can 'make PYTHON=python3 PYQT=5' or give 'python3 installer.py' a shot
[22:39] <melodie> well never mind for my needs, I kept the former versions of customizer which aren't online anymore ^^
[22:39] <Kamilion> they're still online.
[22:39] <Kamilion> I inherited the repo, https://github.com/kamilion/customizer/releases
[22:39] <melodie> I haven't been able to find them, it seems the old repos all redirects to your last version available
[22:40] <melodie> ok I take a quick look
[22:40] <Kamilion> plus there's branches in the new repo
[22:40] <Kamilion> master, development, stable, precise
[22:40] <Kamilion> the installer even has a method to switch between all four (to make testing easier on me)
[22:40] <melodie> ok
[22:41] <melodie> I can't learn anything right now, it's late here and I'm in a middle of several things currently these days which aren't directly linked
[22:41] <Kamilion> the 'precise' branch has been untouched other than the installer added
[22:41] <melodie> I had to force myself to update the Bento ISOs and go post the issue on github
[22:41] <Kamilion> qt4 only, python2 only
[22:41] <melodie> Precise is way too old
[22:42] <melodie> and Trusty begins to be quite old too
[22:42] <Kamilion> no, i'm not touching it, because it works on precise still
[22:42] <Kamilion> so i'm leaving that branch be
[22:42] <melodie> it's ok, just I'll ask you just what I need. Have you seen, another person commented on my issue
[22:45] <melodie> Kamilion next time I'll use Customizer will be in a new install with an Ubuntu Xenial, to produce Bento Xenial versions, then I'll retry using your latest branch
[22:47] <melodie> Kamilion http://downloads.linuxvillage.org/?C=M;O=D :)
[22:49] <Kamilion> no rush
[22:49] <Kamilion> also, very very little of the under-the-hood scripts have changed
[22:50] <Kamilion> it's almost all changes to the GUI portion, and now all of the code supports running under python2 or python3, and both QT4 and QT5.
[22:50] <Kamilion> the only thing that changed for the under-the-hood script is if it detects an i686 iso, it will choose a different kernel name
[22:51] <Kamilion> linux-image-generic instead of linux-signed-generic
[22:51] <melodie> yes, and I finally found using the command line so simple and straightforward that it seems I don't need more (I use the remote server)
[22:51] <Kamilion> (and now in the most recent ones, you can read through the commits and learn how to override the kernel if neither is to your liking)
[22:51] <Kamilion> same here
[22:52] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/buildscripts/xenial/build.sh
[22:52] <melodie> there are other things I need to learn, not related to the good changes you did in the scripts
[22:52] <melodie> or some are
[22:52] <Kamilion> yeah, package names change across releases
[22:52] <melodie> well, for instance, I don't know how to use the HOOK option in the config file
[22:53] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/buildscripts/xenial/autobuild-mini.customizer.hook.sh
[22:53] <Kamilion> write a little script, and it gets copied into the target and executed with bash.
[22:53] <Kamilion> this one checks out it's own repo and runs the build scripts from it.
[22:54] <melodie> are you still using Lubuntu as your basis?
[22:54] <Kamilion> yep!
[22:54] <melodie> would you like to give a whirl with Bento, or with Sushi?
[22:55] <melodie> it's very close, lighter, just it lacks EFI
[22:55] <Kamilion> i doubt it's as light as my minilubuntu
[22:55] <melodie> well give a try to Sushi then
[22:55] <melodie> :)
[22:55] <melodie> I doubt it would be heavier
[22:55] <Kamilion> I already spent a lot of time removing every package and library I didn't need
[22:55] <Kamilion> all the video playback, gone
[22:55] <melodie> well don't do that, just give it a try?
[22:56] <melodie> http://downloads.linuxvillage.org/?C=M;O=D
[22:56] <melodie> look at the size?
[22:57] <melodie> 64bits 383M
[22:57] <Kamilion> yeah, my dom0 only is 144MB
[22:57] <melodie> what is dom0 ?
[22:57] <Kamilion> kamikazi is for xen, which uses dom0 as the management domain, and lots of domu guest domains
[22:58] <melodie> this is a special area which I am not aware
[22:58] <Kamilion> yeah, I doubt you'd have run into virtualization at all since you're still ten years back in the 32bit era
[22:58] <melodie> Sushi is meant to be easy to build a full fledge what you want, on top of a minimalist fully branded for desktops
[22:59] <Kamilion> but these days virtual machines are something most developers make use of
[22:59] <tsimonq2> Oh hey, long time no see Kamilion o/
[22:59] <Kamilion> yo, simon.
[22:59] <melodie> Kamilion to be true, sometimes longer ago, as I repair all kinds of oldies, and I do have a few 64bits, but I soon expect a machine with UEFI at home! See how modern I become XD
[22:59] <Kamilion> today people use tools like docker to compose images automatically...
[23:00] <Kamilion> it's even become common on raspberry pi
[23:00] <melodie> Kamilion good idea!
[23:00] <melodie> docker can be used on Rpi ?
[23:00] <Kamilion> https://resin.io/
[23:01] <Kamilion> they ported docker to the pi back in 2013... https://resin.io/blog/docker-on-raspberry-pi/
[23:01] <melodie> I'm looking : do you use this resin.io ?
[23:01] <Kamilion> nope.
[23:01] <melodie> ok
[23:01] <melodie> what do you use?
[23:01] <Kamilion> i don't use docker.
[23:01] <Kamilion> I use kamikazi.
[23:01] <melodie> do you use any Raspberry pi?
[23:01] <Kamilion> yes.
[23:02] <melodie> do you do everything with kamikazi?
[23:02] <Kamilion> .... pretty much :D
[23:02] <Kamilion> even microcontroller development
[23:02] <melodie> ooké !
[23:02] <Kamilion> i have all the package requirements for just unzipping ESP32's compiler
[23:02] <Kamilion> and I put all the python packages I liked in
[23:03] <melodie> I'm a bit baffled, this is not my area of knowledge at all, just a pair of buddies of mine might enjoy a lot talking with you
[23:03] <melodie> I'll bring them in some time
[23:03] <melodie> ok, thanks for the discussion Kamilion ! keep on well, and see you some time! :D
[23:03] <Kamilion> keep in mind that I've been slowly working on the kamikazi scripts over four years though
[23:04] <melodie> I have to go to sleep (some graphics to do for my new flyer tomorrow and a visit to the doc for my son)
[23:04] <Kamilion> and the scripts are just to help me use Customizer to make builds fast
[23:04] <Kamilion> sleep well!
[23:04] <melodie> yes I know it all takes time.
[23:04] <melodie> thanks! good evening!
[23:04] <Kamilion> now I'm waiting for 17.04 beta 2
[23:05] <Kamilion> so i can test all the kamikazi stuff against a similar-to-release 17.04
[23:05]  * tsimonq2 throws the daily image at Kamilion 
[23:05] <tsimonq2> ;)
[23:05] <Kamilion> already have last night's daily
[23:06] <tsimonq2> \o/
[23:06] <Kamilion> kamikazi doesn't like dailys though
[23:06] <Kamilion> since it fools around with /etc/os-release
[23:07] <Kamilion> it gets angry at numbers
[23:09] <CheetahPixie> Hello guys.
[23:09] <Kamilion> also, when's 14.04.6 going to show up?
[23:09] <CheetahPixie> So, I have an OEM install of Lubuntu running
[23:09] <CheetahPixie> and I wanted to finalize but
[23:09] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: Very funny. :P
[23:09] <CheetahPixie> no shortcut on desktop for "shipping to end user"
[23:09] <CheetahPixie> So, how do I finalize it?
[23:10] <Kamilion> I'm not joking?
[23:10] <tsimonq2> Kamilion: Oh, in which case, there is no 14.04.6.
[23:12] <Kamilion> I'm aware of that, when is it getting built? 14.04.5 was August, and it's already nearing april.
[23:12] <Kamilion> .4 was built in febuary '16
[23:12] <Kamilion> so it should be about time for .6
[23:13] <CheetahPixie> No answers?
[23:13] <Kamilion> CheetahPixie: I don't even know what "OEM Install" is
[23:13] <Kamilion> I roll my own ISOs
[23:14] <tsimonq2> CheetahPixie: Ask on the lubuntu-users list.
[23:15] <Kamilion> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview  Ah. Neat. Still references 12.04 though, and the page was last edited in 2014 by 'lorenzo567'
[23:15] <Kamilion> http://askubuntu.com/questions/702581/lubuntu-oem-instalation-prepare-for-shipping-to-end-user-missing
[23:16] <Kamilion> CheetahPixie: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man8/oem-config-prepare.8.html
[23:16] <CheetahPixie> For some reason, that wasn't installed.
[23:16] <Kamilion> and a bug
[23:16] <Kamilion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1442817
[23:16] <CheetahPixie> Well, up it goes.
[23:16] <Kamilion> CheetahPixie: is that enough googling yet?
[23:17] <CheetahPixie> I think so.
[23:17] <CheetahPixie> I'm staring down my HTC Wildfire booting Android 4.1 for the first time too so.
[23:17] <Kamilion> that was a wallclock 2 minutes of the first few results for 'lubuntu OEM install'
[23:18] <Kamilion> with the third result being
[23:18] <Kamilion> "LUbuntu OEM instalation "Prepare for Shipping to End User" missing ..."
[23:19] <Kamilion> CheetahPixie: are you actually doing replication for OEM disk imaging, or just installing for a friend?
[23:20] <CheetahPixie> Some parts for future reference, other parts so that the person I am installing for can set it up without me having to type or look at them as they set it up.
[23:20] <CheetahPixie> ie privacy of information.
[23:21] <Kamilion> ah; I work at a warehouse, so we actually have an in-house ISO we use and provide with the system instead of a preinstall
[23:22] <Kamilion> if you had been prepping for an OEM push, I'd have wanted to compare notes :D
[23:23] <Kamilion> anyway, looks like you can just open a terminal and execute 'oem-config-prepare', the shortcut icon is just missing
[23:24] <wxl> we have a cloned install with some scripts we can personalize as needed
[23:24] <wxl> s/\(can\)/\1 use to/
[23:24] <Kamilion> likewise, I publish an ISO that tries hard to reapply customizations
[23:25] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core/blob/master/resources/xenial/mods/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/18kamikazi_restore
[23:25] <Shawn196|i7> okay, success
[23:25] <Kamilion> I have to do it in really early boot before systemd launches, because I'm touching things like the dbus machine ID, which systemd needs really early on.
[23:26] <wxl> @ShellcatZero: with what exactly?
[23:26] <Kamilion> haha, two-letter tab completer
[23:27] <wxl> bah
[23:27] <wxl> that's me alright
[23:27] <wxl> ^^ that emssage was meant for you Shawn196|i7
[23:27] <Kamilion> something with grub, I expect.
[23:27] <Kamilion> if you still need help manually installing it, I'm around now.
[23:28] <Shawn196|i7> what message wxl?
[23:28] <wxl> Shawn196|i7: what was successful?
[23:28] <Shawn196|i7> was what successful?
[23:29] <Shawn196|i7> oh, getting the linux drive to boot
[23:29] <wxl> ok so we know that your machine can handle booting linux from eSATA
[23:29] <Shawn196|i7> indeed
[23:29] <Shawn196|i7> no reason why it couldn't
[23:29] <wxl> remember what i said about assumptions
[23:30] <wxl> there's ALWAYS a reason why your assumptions are wrong
[23:30] <wxl> anyways, we got luck this time
[23:30] <wxl> so now what's the issue?
[23:35] <Kamilion> So did you need any more help with grub?
[23:40] <Shawn196|i7> nah, I need help with finding amd's opensource drivers
[23:41] <wxl> don't we all
[23:41] <Kamilion> amdgpu?
[23:41] <wxl> http://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/open-source/
[23:41] <Kamilion> or the older radeonhd drivers?
[23:42] <Kamilion> https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/
[23:44] <CheetahPixie> Kamillion , the oem-config package was missing
[23:44] <Shawn196|i7> ati mobility radeon hd 4650
[23:44] <wxl> !radeon
[23:45] <Kamilion> radeonhd then
[23:45] <Shawn196|i7> lets see if steam linux can handle it
[23:45] <Kamilion> should be able to.
[23:45] <Kamilion> i think that's an r600 generation
[23:46] <Shawn196|i7> eh
[23:46] <Shawn196|i7> I dont have anythign r600
[23:47] <Kamilion> if you have trouble with it -- try the steamos image; it's based off debian but valve harassed AMD and nvidia to provide updated drivers.
[23:47] <Shawn196|i7> nah, just installed lubuntu
[23:48] <Kamilion> ought to work in GL2.1
[23:49] <Kamilion> won't get anything fancy like compute shaders, and newer unity games that require GL4 will flip you the bird, but for the most part, anything older should be fine.
[23:50] <Kamilion> but you should definitely get 3D acceleration.