[05:47] <hikiko> hi
[07:46] <pitti> Good morning folks! how are things in desktop land?
[07:46] <pitti> happy spring freeze and start of zesty! (or so.. ☺ )
[07:47]  * pitti donne une accolade à hikiko, seb128, et didrocks
[07:47] <seb128> salut pitti, comment ça va ?
[07:47] <didrocks> bonjour bonjour pitti !
[07:47] <hikiko> bonjour pitti :)
[07:47] <hikiko> et seb128 et didrocks et al. :p
[07:47]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[07:47] <seb128> hey hikiko
[07:47] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:47]  * didrocks hugs pitti back as well
[07:47] <hikiko> hi hi
[07:47] <didrocks> re seb128, hey hikiko !
[07:48] <pitti> ça va très bien, merci ! j'ai couru 10 km hier, je peux senser mes jambes :)
[07:48] <hikiko> gawd
[07:48]  * pitti aime le printemps
[07:48] <hikiko> I only swam 1km and felt dead :) (1km = 30minutes :p)
[07:48] <seb128> pitti, tu t'entraines pour concurrencer Didier ?
[07:48] <didrocks> (il y a encore de la marge) :p
[07:49] <pitti> hikiko: well, slightly higher resistance in water :)
[07:49] <pitti> no, I couldn't keep up with didrocks
[07:49] <didrocks> hier, j'ai fait 15 kms, j'aime le printemps aussi :)
[07:49] <pitti> see!
[07:49] <seb128> pitti, c'est qu'un petit peu en plus!
[07:50] <didrocks> ouais, 15, c'est facile
[07:50] <seb128> :-)
[07:50] <didrocks> le vendredi, c'est 24 kms ! là, c'est un peu plus douloureux et il faut le week-end pour se remettre :p
[07:50]  * pitti (shakes head).translate("fr")
[07:50] <didrocks> pitti: are you still playing basketball regularly?
[07:54] <pitti> didrocks: oui, mercredi soir
[07:54] <pitti> I suck a little bit less at it by now
[07:54]  * TheMuso waves to EU folks.
[07:54]  * pitti waves to TheMuso, hello from the other side!
[07:55] <didrocks> hey TheMuso
[07:55] <didrocks> pitti: this is what I can't do (first: height, second: jump, third: stop and race suddenly) ;)
[07:56] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, it's a bit taxing, but I'm happy that my knees play along
[07:56] <seb128> hey TheMuso
[07:56] <pitti> in fact, since I've started to do sports more regularly some 15 years ago I stopped having knee troubles
[07:56] <pitti> it's like "use your body or die"..
[07:57] <pitti> didrocks: but it seems yours' are much better these days too, if you can run for that long
[07:57] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it's way better than sitting all day along :)
[07:57] <didrocks> pitti: correct, but I'm streching heavily as well
[07:57] <didrocks> a little bit of pain sometimes, but that stands for a km
[07:57] <didrocks> and nothing stopping
[09:01] <Laney> morning
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:03] <Laney> hey seb128!
[09:03] <Laney> GREAT
[09:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:03] <seb128> :-)
[09:03] <seb128> hey davmor2
[09:03] <Laney> had a good climb last night
[09:03] <seb128> uk is waking up!
[09:04] <seb128> nice
[09:04] <Laney> feelinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg fine
[09:04] <Laney> what about you?
[09:04] <Laney> hey davmor2, ça va?
[09:04] <seb128> I'm good, still a bit sleepy though, working on it through coffee
[09:04] <davmor2> Laney: you forgot the "And I'm" in front of your Feeling fine
[09:04] <didrocks> good morning Laney, davmor2
[09:04] <seb128> we are getting some sun back which feels nice after that rainy and windy few days
[09:05] <willcooke> ahoy
[09:05] <seb128> makes me want to go play tennis
[09:05] <davmor2> Laney: good ta but don't let on I know some French ;)
[09:05] <seb128> maybe tomorrow evening
[09:05] <davmor2> hey didrocks
[09:05] <seb128> hey willcooke, feeling better?
[09:05] <davmor2> morning willcooke
[09:05] <willcooke> hey seb128, better than yesterday thanks.  Still not cured, but getting there.
[09:05] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[09:05] <Laney> yeah it's got cold again
[09:05] <Laney> but at least sun
[09:06] <Laney> hey didrocks et willcooke
[09:06] <Laney> what's the news
[09:08] <didrocks> doing good :)
[09:34] <willcooke> davmor2, seb128 - I have this feeling that when we had mediascanner2 in Main during the big MIR push for U8 that it triggered problems in U7.  I can't be sure though.  So I'll be testing it to see, but if you could keep an eye out for any potentially related issues that would be good
[09:34] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediascanner2/+bug/1669546
[09:36] <seb128> willcooke, one thing it does is to trigger crash reports and eat resources
[09:36] <seb128> while being useless in the session
[09:36] <willcooke> in the U7 session right?
[09:36] <seb128> yes
[09:36] <willcooke> I think resources and not being useful is just something we have to live with for now, but crash reports popping up will be sucky
[09:36] <davmor2> willcooke: before when it was removed the big issue was it held up access to writable media while it scanned it iirc
[09:37] <willcooke> davmor2, yikes, that would suck also.  Would you mind testing that specifically?
[09:37] <seb128> can't they make it start only in u8 sessions?
[09:38] <willcooke> seb128, ah right, good point.  Lemme comment on the bug
[09:38] <davmor2> willcooke: sure will do
[09:49] <hikiko> hi handsome_feng :)
[09:49] <hikiko> Laney, and didrocks and seb128 might know where you should put the links for the GPL licenses
[09:49] <Laney> they probably want SystemdService= in the .service file
[09:50] <Laney> hikiko: ????????????????????????????????????????
[09:50] <davmor2> Yay zapus in the slideshow thanks willcooke and cyphermox
[09:50] <hikiko> Laney, handsome_feng has 2 projects on github
[09:50] <willcooke> davmor2, ha! Spooky, I was just looking at that right this second
[09:50] <hikiko> a control center and an indicator one
[09:50] <hikiko> and he has a COPYING file identical to canonical's
[09:51] <willcooke> thanks cyphermox for the merge in to the slideshow
[09:52] <hikiko> Laney, do you know if he should add the links for GPL in that file or create another one inside the debian/ directory?
[09:52] <hikiko> and how this file would look?
[09:52] <Laney> debian/copyright just has to describe the licenses in use
[09:53] <Laney> the upstream part should ship COPYING files for their licenses
[09:53] <didrocks> it's intesting, sounds like I'm reviewing code requested by maclin, which got asked to handsome_feng which is coming back to hikiko :)
[09:54] <hikiko> haha :) yeah that broken telephone comfused us a little
[09:54] <Laney> the circle of life
[09:54] <hikiko> :D
[09:54] <didrocks> Laney: circle of *friends* :p
[09:54] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibiNy4d4gc
[09:54] <maclin> didrocks:  ^_^
[09:54] <hikiko> so, if he needs to add the links, those go to COPYING?
[09:54] <didrocks> hikiko: basically, the 2 projects were missing the LGPL COPYING
[09:54] <hikiko> he just has to put them there?
[09:54] <hikiko> oh
[09:54] <didrocks> they only had GPL
[09:55] <didrocks> while some code is LGPL2
[09:55] <hikiko> so he needs a 2nd copying?
[09:55] <didrocks> yep
[09:55] <didrocks> as there was in some other projects
[09:55] <hikiko> like LGPL_COPYING?
[09:55] <didrocks> COPYING.LGPL most of the time for naming
[09:55] <hikiko> :)
[09:55] <didrocks> but no hard requirement
[09:55] <hikiko> handsome_feng, ^^^^^
[09:55] <didrocks> also
[09:55] <Laney> usually you can point to the /usr/share/common-licenses/ file
[09:55] <Laney> it's mostly important that it is described in d/copyright
[09:55] <didrocks> one of them are not listing the LGPL files in debian/copyright
[09:56] <didrocks> so updating debian/copyright is needed
[09:56] <hikiko> I see :)
[09:56] <hikiko> handsome_feng, ^^^^
[09:57] <handsome_feng> Hi, hikiko, Laney, didirocks: Thank you! :)
[09:57] <Laney> but the upstream should include them for good practice anyway
[09:57] <Laney> np
[09:57] <hikiko> handsome_feng, just find a lgpl program and copy from there
[09:58] <hikiko> to be sure that everything looks fine
[09:58] <didrocks> as Laney pointed: /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2
[10:00] <hikiko> handsome_feng, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/development-branch/files
[10:00] <hikiko> mir has both :)
[10:00] <hikiko> check the files from here and do what didrocks said :)
[10:01] <howefield> 7/exit
[10:10] <davmor2> willcooke: seeing no delay to access or write here
[10:11] <davmor2> willcooke: just did a ps aux | grep mediascanner and it doesn't appear to be running so I'm wondering if it is a case of if you open a unity8 app in unity7 if it is triggered at that point maybe?
[10:59] <willcooke> davmor2, thanks, will see what/if they comment
[11:11] <sil2100> Trevinho: hey! Do you know who's maintaining unity-settings-daemon ?
[11:12] <sil2100> Trevinho: I'm looking for someone to review and help land https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/unity-settings-daemon/lp1542699/+merge/288952 <- it's been in the sponsoring queue for ages now
[11:31] <davmor2> cyphermox: the issue with I'm wondering if it is to do with uefi and secureboot as I have that setup on my kvm instance. I'll try it without after and comment on the bug and I'll retry it on i386 too after.
[12:15] <cyphermox> davmor2: you mean the shutdown prompt? it wouldn't have anything to do with uefi
[12:16] <davmor2> cyphermox: it was a longshot but the only thing I could think of in common between xps and kvm setups
[12:16] <cyphermox> kvm, not virtualbox?
[12:16] <davmor2> cyphermox: always kvm
[12:16] <cyphermox> because it works just fine here in qemu.
[12:17] <davmor2> cyphermox: is that with or without ovmf and secureboot being enabled?
[12:17] <cyphermox> both, IIRC
[12:17] <cyphermox> I don't especially pay attention, but I'm pretty sure it shows up
[12:18] <cyphermox> as I said, SB and UEFI make no change in that
[12:19] <davmor2> cyphermox: indeed, I'm going to try i386 latter in the day too and I need to try 64bit on a different intel box after too for the other boot options
[12:19] <cyphermox> the possible difference there when you use qemu/kvm is because it's really a different firmware, I suppose it could emulate hardware slightly differently. on hardware it's the same firmware and same hardware in a different mode.
[12:19] <cyphermox> (and also, it it's firmware-related I can't do anything about it by the time we run the shutdown code)
[12:20] <davmor2> cyphermox: on a plus side the issue I had with networking on oem mode seems to of gone away \o/ and I have a mouse in the slides \o/
[12:21] <cyphermox> ah, yes
[12:21] <davmor2> cyphermox: And weirdly desktop mode has the hit enter prompt still it is only in ubiquity mode that I don't have it
[12:22] <davmor2> live desktop mode even
[12:24] <handsome_feng> Hi, didrocks, Laney, I have update the ukui-control-center and ukui-indicaters, and the peony need to reupload, Hi, didrocks, I have update the ukui-control-center, ukui-indicators, and the peony need to reupload, could you help check it? bug: # 1664232, bug: #1664244, bug: #1664235
[12:26] <jgdx> zsombi, hey, you know why this happens? http://i.imgur.com/1fmPdvU.png
[12:26] <zsombi> jgdx: what happens there?
[12:27] <jgdx> zsombi, fairly standard APL (using addPageToNextColumn) and leadingActions on the ListItem there
[12:27] <jgdx> on the right
[12:27] <ahayzen> jgdx, you need to clip the right listview
[12:28] <jgdx> ahayzen, indeed! thanks
[12:28] <jgdx> zsombi, disregard that, then. :)
[12:29] <zsombi> yeah, just pushing an image I cannot spot the issue :)
[13:59] <didrocks> jbicha: peony looks weird to me (releasing a first version with -0ubuntu3)
[14:04] <sil2100> seb128: hey! I poked Trevinho already but he doesn't seem to be around - do you know who's maintaining unity-settings-daemon right now? I saw your name in the list of contributors there
[14:04] <sil2100> Ugh
[14:04] <Trevinho> sil2100: oh I actually am here
[14:04] <jbicha> didrocks: it was because we moved some files around and I wasn't sure if they had users for their ppa
[14:04] <Trevinho> sil2100: I think seb maintains it
[14:04] <didrocks> jbicha: ah ok, not a blocker, just… weird :p
[14:04] <sil2100> Trevinho: \o/ could you read my question from backlog? From 3 hours ago
[14:05] <sil2100> Trevinho: ah, ok, I'll wait for him to get back I guess
[14:05] <jbicha> didrocks: I could upload the new peony 1.0.1 if you prefer
[14:05] <Trevinho> sil2100: sure, you probably pinged me when I was not in front at the laptop and then.... I didn't read :-P
[14:05] <sil2100> hah, happens to me as well sometimes ;)
[14:06] <didrocks> jbicha: no, that's fine
[14:33] <seb128> bah, how to brick your ubuntu install in a few steps and then spend an hour fixing it
[14:33] <seb128> I tried to install some zesty packages on my xenial to try to see if I get that sessioninstaller not working issue that way, which I didn't
[14:33] <seb128> downgraded back packages then, forgot libmir
[14:34] <seb128> gtk things then didn't start anymore due to a protobuf version mismatch (which isn't mir requiring the version it needs?)
[14:35] <jbicha> yikes
[14:35] <seb128> then it went downhill, tried to switch to a vt that screwed xorg thanks to intel stack issues
[14:35] <seb128> rebooted, lightdm greeter couldn't start because gtk
[14:35] <seb128> of course systemd keeps trying to restart it not letting me go to a vt
[14:35] <jbicha> you might want packagekit 1.1 to duplicate the sessioninstaller issue? which you probably don't want on xenial
[14:36] <seb128> rebooted in rescue mode to get to a console, that asked for a root password that I don't have since I use sudo with my users
[14:36] <seb128> oh well, fixed now
[14:36] <seb128> jbicha, I installed that first
[14:36] <seb128> works fine on xenial with it
[14:36] <seb128> then tried to upgrade gstreamer, still not issue
[14:36] <seb128> gtk/glib still no issue
[14:37] <seb128> then I gave up and downgraded, going to be easier to try in a zesty vm instead
[14:39] <seb128> jbicha, you are sure it has to do with the packagekit update?
[14:39] <seb128> if so whoever did that update should debug/fix it :-)
[14:59] <jbicha> I don't know what caused the bug
[15:10]  * Sweet5hark is back from dentist. status: survived.
[15:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: urgh that sounds ... painful.
[15:12]  * Sweet5hark whispers "use moar virt-manager".
[15:13] <seb128> vms are slow
[15:14] <Sweet5hark> seb128: as said: that used to be true for me, not anymore. kvm rules.
[15:14] <seb128> well for me rendering is slow
[15:14] <seb128> could be my laptop
[15:15] <Sweet5hark> seb128: but well, if you do hardware or performance testing: meh, yeah. still needs native.
[15:15] <seb128> don't get me wrong, it works fine and is good for testing
[15:16] <seb128> still unity in a vm feels slugish to use
[15:30] <seb128> hey there
[15:30] <seb128> it's meeting time!
[15:30] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 21 15:30:27 2017 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:30] <seb128> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, flexiondotorg, happyaron, hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <flexiondotorg> o/
[15:31] <Trevinho> \o
[15:32] <seb128> oh Trevinho is around, didn't see you for a while! how are you?
[15:32] <andyrock> o/
[15:32] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg Trevinho andyrock
[15:32] <seb128> k, give a minute for others to wake up and let's start
[15:32] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm good, I'm always here... Just silent :-)
[15:32] <Laney> hi
[15:32] <Trevinho> seb128: you?
[15:32] <Laney> Trevinho: you should bond with the team :(
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> Hi seb128
[15:33] <Trevinho> Laney: you know... I love to chat in real  life, more than in IRC..
[15:33] <Trevinho> :-/
[15:34] <Laney> :'(
[15:34] <seb128> k, let's start!
[15:35] <seb128> #topic andyrock
[15:35] <seb128> andyrock, hey
[15:35] <andyrock> hey
[15:35] <andyrock> still working on cr
[15:35] <andyrock> got the gbm buffer backend working
[15:35] <andyrock> I'm cleaning the code to push it in our branch
[15:35] <andyrock> eof
[15:36] <seb128> thanks andyrock
[15:36] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:36] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:37] <attente> hey, sorry
[15:37] <seb128> no worry
[15:37] <seb128> ready or should we go back to you at the end?
[15:37] <attente> just been working on the gtk-mir backend
[15:37] <attente> that's pretty much all i have to say
[15:37] <seb128> k, thanks attente
[15:38] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:38] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:39] <seb128> no desrt?
[15:39] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:39] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:39] <Laney> hackfest?
[15:39] <dgadomski> hey
[15:39] <seb128> there is an hackfest?
[15:39] <dgadomski> * I'm chasing some bluetooth (bluez) issues (reported bug #1674680, but more are coming). Can you give me any advice who can I talk to in this area?
[15:39] <seb128> was not in will's "what's up this week" email on monday
[15:39] <seb128> but maybe
[15:40] <attente> oh right. it's the gtk one in london
[15:40] <seb128> oh ok
[15:40] <desrt> hey.  hackfest :)
[15:40] <desrt> just remembered about the meeting :)
[15:40] <seb128> desrt, next time summary via email please
[15:40] <desrt> sorry.  i thought i'd be on IRC but i got sucked into a conversation
[15:40] <seb128> no worry
[15:40] <seb128> want to go now?
[15:40] <desrt> sure.  not must to say, really
[15:40] <seb128> dgadomski, try konrad or TheMuso
[15:41] <dgadomski> thanks seb128
[15:41] <seb128> yw
[15:41] <dgadomski> that's it
[15:41] <seb128> thanks dgadomski
[15:41] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:41] <desrt> spending lots of time talking to smcv about the ways that dbus can be made better to support dconf-proxy style helpers
[15:41] <seb128> desrt, your turn then, I hope you have fun at the hackfest :-)
[15:41] <desrt> we worked out a really nice solution for that.  need to chase it up with someone on the snappy side to see if they find that to be useful as well
[15:41] <seb128> great
[15:41] <desrt> ya.  it's really nice.  lots of good people here :)
[15:41] <seb128> excellent
[15:41] <seb128> enjoy it!
[15:41] <desrt> any hint for who i should talk to in snaps?
[15:41] <desrt> start with mvo? :)
[15:42] <seb128> what exactly do you need from the snap team?
[15:42] <desrt> i just want to find out if they like this new API and/or if they have suggestions for things that would help them
[15:42] <seb128> if it's dbus/proxy maybe try t_yhicks or j_dstrand
[15:42] <desrt> because it dramatically simplifies the writing of services that are meant to interact with confined applications
[15:42] <desrt> sure
[15:42] <flexiondotorg> desrt What seb128 said :-)
[15:42] <seb128> but yeah otherwise m_vo is probably a good bet
[15:43] <seb128> he can redirect you to whoever is right
[15:43] <desrt> anyway.  i've taken quite enough time :)
[15:43] <desrt> eof.
[15:43] <seb128> thanks desrt
[15:43] <seb128> #topic FJKong
[15:43] <seb128> FJKong, hey
[15:43] <FJKong> hey
[15:43] <FJKong> input method can't be used on some snaps (ex: moonplayer and rssreader)
[15:43] <FJKong> I take long time to reproduce it on different os version (16.04 16.10)and qt version
[15:43] <FJKong> #1644781 Sushi-start fails with 16.10 upgrade, both Unity and Mate
[15:43] <FJKong> verify it to test padding feature under Mate
[15:43] <FJKong> eof
[15:43] <seb128> thanks FJKong
[15:43] <seb128> #topic flexiondotorg
[15:43] <seb128> flexiondotorg, hey
[15:43] <flexiondotorg> Hi all
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> I was sick a couple of days last week and had a day off Friday.
[15:44] <seb128> oh :-( hope you are better!
[15:44] <flexiondotorg> Apart from that I've mostly been working on documentation, videos and examples for Electron and nodejs developers to snap their software.
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> I'm presenting at the London Nodejs User Group tomorrow night.
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> eof
[15:45] <flexiondotorg> I am recovered :-)
[15:46] <seb128> thanks flexiondotorg and good luck for the user group presentation
[15:46] <flexiondotorg> ty
[15:46] <seb128> #topic happyaron
[15:46] <seb128> happyaron, hey, there or should I copy the summary you emailed?
[15:46] <seb128> guess I copy
[15:46] <seb128> 1. bug #1672749: lxd assumes zfs kernel module is always available
[15:46] <seb128> 2. bug #1673197: zfs root pool breakage fix
[15:46] <seb128> 3. Tries to reproduce wpa_supplicant crash bug #1651799 at office lab,
[15:46] <seb128> the problem is reported frequently in errors.u.c
[15:46] <seb128> 4. Review and help on ubuntukylin-wallpapers for which they are doing
[15:46] <seb128> it on their own for the first time
[15:46] <seb128> thanks happyaron!
[15:46] <seb128> #topic hikiko
[15:47] <seb128> * u7 - lowgfx: approved
[15:47] <seb128> * chromium mir:
[15:47] <seb128> working on input events:
[15:47] <seb128> - creating a mir platform in ui/events/platform similar to the x11, in order to translate the mir events to ui events that can be dispatched and used by ozone.
[15:47] <seb128> EOF
[15:47] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:47] <seb128> Laney, hey!
[15:47] <Laney> sup
[15:47] <Laney> • short week, off for 2 days
[15:47] <Laney> • new gtk, new glib, new g-i
[15:47] <Laney> • debug a gjs crash with upstream (breaking libsecret tests), fix that
[15:47] <Laney> • fix to glib tests for new tzdata
[15:47] <Laney> • packaging for new default wallpaper, contest ones still pending
[15:47] <Laney> • fix the appstream generator cloud stuff to support dropping arches, needed now that ppc is gone in zesty - currently testing on staging
[15:47] <Laney> • review a britney branch for rob_ru
[15:47] <Laney> • review a pull-lp-source branch for dd_street
[15:47] <Laney> 🏞️
[15:47] <attente> thanks for gtk Laney
[15:48] <Laney> mmm
[15:48] <Laney> not very happy about it
[15:48] <Laney> but there we go
[15:48] <Laney> gtk-mir users should be pleased
[15:48] <attente> yeah...
[15:49] <seb128> speaking about britney, unsure who did the "your package is stucked in proposed email" thing but that might need tweaking to not email 1 day after when it's just that infra is busy
[15:49] <seb128> what happened to gtk/gtk-mir which you are not fully happy about?
[15:50] <attente> the s390x no-mir hack
[15:50] <seb128> oh, the s390x thing
[15:50] <Laney> there's a bug about fixing that
[15:50] <seb128> right
[15:50] <seb128> thanks Laney
[15:50] <Laney> don't think anybody is working on it
[15:50] <seb128> :-(
[15:50] <seb128> k, let's keep moving
[15:50] <seb128> qengho is out so I'm next
[15:50] <seb128> #topic seb128
[15:50] <seb128> • had a day off on friday
[15:50] <seb128> • tested zesty daily
[15:50] <seb128> • reviewed new u8 ubuntu print packages for NEW
[15:50] <seb128> • tried to debug the zesty sessioninstaller issue on my xenial, was not a good idea, spent some time restoring a working machine then went the vm way
[15:50] <seb128> • usual share of discussions & bugs triaging
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[15:51] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:51] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - published LibreOffice 5.3.1/snap on amd64 in sync with upstream
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - bumped LibreOffice 5.3/zesty to 5.3.1 (thanks _jbicha for sponsoring)
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - some coordination for Perugia Hackfest (I hope to attend): https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Perugia2017
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - found, analysed and proposed a solution for debian bug 858199 (simple, once you figured out what went wrong), cherry-picked the debian commits to zesty as -0ubuntu2
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - had to protect some upstream volunteer contributors from ranting fools shouting about their pet peeves: L3 support isnt a free lunch, esp.  not if you didnt even test betas
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - tdf#34653 mentoring/code review
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - some upstream code refactoring/cleanup for sanity
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - some more backups, rotating auth tokens, setup new machine. Found it has a dead speaker _after_ completely move my workflow on it. annoying.
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - TDF admin, some leadership
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - there is a job offer at TDF, please share with friends: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/03/14/development-mentor/
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> - libreoffice 1:5.3.1-0ubuntu2 still running as the meeting started, so there is finally hope those will complete for zesty
[15:51] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:51] <seb128> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:52] <seb128> btw you might want to put the "_" in the middle of the nicknames rather than at the start to avoid pinging people
[15:52] <seb128> #topic TheMuso
[15:52] <seb128> * More testing on a patch that was included in a point release upstream for at-spi2-core to prevent crashes, just missed the freeze, but should be ok to get into zesty as a patch now that I'm sure it works fine.
[15:52] <seb128> * Foolowed up with Konrad about pulse and bluetootha dn bluez in Xenial, haven't heard back yet.
[15:52] <seb128> * Re-familiarizing myself with various bits and pieces to try and help a bit with FTBFS where I can in coming weeks before release.
[15:52] <seb128> * More ubiquity a11y debugging, not having much luck tracking down the issue I'm seeing with Orca not reading some installer pages, and then other times they work fine. Will continue to investigate.
[15:52] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[15:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:52] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Some further testing, applied upstream bug fixes to Zesty package.
[15:52] <tkamppeter> - system-config-printer: As IPP-over-USB is designed for driverless printing and conventional drivers (like HPLIP) do not necessarily work with it, made system-config-printer's UDEV-triggered queue auto-generator use driverless PPDs generated from IPP-polling the printer.
[15:52] <tkamppeter> - The two changes above fix the use of IPP-over-USB printers in Ubuntu and allow driverless printing via USB, possibly enabling 100s of additional printers which did not work before under Linux (inkjets from Brother, Canon, ..., cheap lasers, ...). If you are able to print on your printer directly from a smartphone this printer probably will also work under Zesty.
[15:52] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Continued on student selection and preparation.
[15:52] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:53] <seb128> tkamppeter, nice work on getting ipp-over-usb to work!
[15:53] <seb128> thanks tkamppeter
[15:54] <seb128> #topic Trevinho
[15:54] <Laney> nice
[15:54] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[15:54]  * Laney learns about printing from a smartphone too
[15:54] <Laney> never thought about doing that
[15:54] <Trevinho> · Rewritten snap-preload to use C++14 variardic template and adding some more functionalities
[15:54] <Trevinho> · Fixed some issues of the hikiko unity lowgfx branch
[15:54] <Trevinho> · Rewritten the lowgfx ucc panel
[15:54] <Trevinho>  /eof
[15:54] <seb128> Trevinho, is the ucc change up for review?
[15:54] <seb128> or do you plan to land that this cycle or next?
[15:54] <seb128> (rewrite probably needs a ffe)
[15:55] <Trevinho> seb128: not yet as I'm doing some stuff to support changing the vars in systemd too
[15:55] <Trevinho> seb128: hikiko opened a FFe bug, not sure the status of that yet... But I can wait for next in case
[15:55] <seb128> k
[15:56] <seb128> thanks Trevinho
[15:56] <seb128> #topic robert_ancell
[15:56] <seb128> - Complete snapd-qt regression tests, fix bugs in snapd-qt
[15:56] <seb128> - Chasing down gnome-software bugs
[15:56] <seb128> - si
[15:56] <seb128> ups
[15:56] <seb128>  3.24.0 release
[15:56] <seb128> - Email catching up...
[15:56] <seb128> (sorry selection issue)
[15:57] <seb128> #topic aob
[15:57] <Laney> si, señor
[15:57] <seb128> did I forget anyone? any other topic?
[15:57] <seb128> lol
[15:57] <seb128> la playa!
[15:59] <seb128> no topic I guess?
[15:59] <seb128> zesty beta is coming
[15:59] <seb128> Laney, you probably are the one atm who has the best overview of the desktop status on zesty, is there anything concerning you or things we should pick up as a team/need to sort out that you know?
[16:01] <seb128> anyway can discuss that after the meeting
[16:02] <seb128> let's wrap then
[16:02] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:02] <seb128> #endmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 21 16:02:08 2017 UTC.
[16:02] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-03-21-15.30.moin.txt
[16:02] <Laney> might be that robert needs some help on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1672424
[16:02] <Laney> and that sessioninstaller bug
[16:02] <Laney> otherwise don't think so, but i didn't heavily use the 3.24 stuff
[16:02] <desrt> mvo: hey.  got a second to chat about snappy and dbus (and/or tell me who i should talk to about that in more detail)?  basically, dbus will soon grow a way to create transient unix sockets meant to be used for a specific confined app in order to apply a stricter security policy to connections initiating from that socket.
[16:03] <seb128> Laney, ok, thanks, I'm currently looking at sessioninstaller and I'm going to give a ping to robert_ancell about the g-s one
[16:04] <Laney> cool!
[16:05] <Laney> and that britney one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/britney/+bug/1671468
[16:06] <seb128> oh, good, thanks
[16:06] <seb128> I received one about glib on friday
[16:06] <seb128> but it migrated over the w.e (dunno if somebody did some manual poking or if it just took over a day)
[16:08] <jbicha> I probably helped nudge it through by retrying autopkgtests
[16:09] <jbicha> tkamppeter: would you be interested in adding the ipp-over-usb improvements to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZestyZapus/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Desktop ?
[16:15] <jbicha> Laney: could you sync gdk-pixbuf from experimental? thanks
[16:15] <ricotz> *shrug* why was usr/share/vala/vapi/libnm-glib.* dropped from libnm-glib-dev.install of network-manager?
[16:16] <Laney> jbicha: guess so
[16:16] <Laney> ricotz: you'll probably get better results if you ask the uploader directly (don't know who that is)
[16:17] <ricotz> Laney, I don't know either ;), just noticed it while yakkety has it
[16:17] <ricotz> there was not changelog mentioning, so I guess it was not intentional
[16:18] <Laney> ok, but you can look at the packages to find out when it happened
[16:19] <ricotz> Laney, doing that currently
[16:20] <Laney> thanks!
[16:23] <jbicha> ricotz: yes, it looks accidental, I wonder why Debian's nm package doesn't enable the vala bindings
[16:23] <jbicha> is there a bug for this issue?
[16:24] <ricotz> yeah, 1.4.2-2ubuntu1 dropped it, looking at happyaron ;)
[16:24] <ricotz> libnm-util-dev:amd64: /usr/share/vala/vapi/libnm-util.* still there
[16:25] <ricotz> jbicha, no bug report
[16:27] <jbicha> --list-missing is annoying, we should probably use --fail-missing instead
[16:27] <ricotz> ack
[16:30] <b4n> hi!
[16:31] <b4n> compiz question: is there a way to "unload" a sharde with the newish API?  e.g. I addShaders(), and would like to remove them from the cache at some point
[16:31] <b4n> as IIUC there's cacheinternally in the opengl plugin
[17:04] <jbicha> hmm, nm ftbfs
[17:13] <willcooke> hi all
[17:15] <jbicha> willcooke: you show up for work at closing time?! ;)
[17:17] <jbicha> (I'm kidding of course)
[17:28] <seb128> hey willcooke
[17:28] <seb128> jbicha, Laney, do you know why the gedit icon changed in zesty? is that a feature or a bug? (it looks less nice imho, I wonder if the name changed and the theme didn't get updated or something)
[17:32] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gedit/commit/?id=176a2c7
[17:32] <davmor2> cyphermox: no prompt in freesoftware mode on another laptop that doesn't have uefi :(
[17:33] <seb128> jbicha, so the theme needs updating to symlink gedit->oldname?
[17:33] <jbicha> seb128: yes, could you file a bug against humanity-icon-theme for that?
[17:33] <seb128> jbicha, k
[17:38] <Laney> this was already the case in yakkety btw
[17:39] <seb128> I'm still on xenial :p
[17:40] <seb128> nobody noticed or it was just decided that it was good like that?
[17:40] <seb128> it looks non-centered to me in the unity launcher which is what bothers me a bit, but maybe it just takes some getting used to
[17:43] <Laney> dunno
[17:43] <Laney> I didn't actively decide either way
[17:43] <Laney> looks fine to me, but if someone cares they can feel free to fix it after getting a UIF exception
[17:43] <jbicha> nobody noticed; that was an old change
[17:44] <seb128> I'm not getting an UIF for a bugfix :p
[17:44] <Laney> it's about the documentation
[17:44] <Laney> doesn't matter if it's a bug or not
[17:44] <seb128> k, well that can wait next cycle if we decide to change it
[17:44] <Laney> but also I don't care so it doesn't matter in any event :-)
[17:44] <seb128> I can't be bothered doing paperwork for that
[17:45] <Laney> ok
[17:45] <Laney> probably they don't have a picture of the gedit icon anyway
[17:45] <jbicha> without the UIF, we can do it next cycle if Design or whoever likes the humanity icon better
[17:45] <seb128> yeah
[17:45] <seb128> well as said the upstream one looks unbalanced in the unity launcher
[17:45] <seb128> more space on the right
[17:46] <seb128> but maybe it's only me
[17:46] <jbicha> if you hover over the third link next to the picture at https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/ you'll see a gedit icon
[17:46] <seb128> the brown background is also less modern/clean that the grey one we get with the humanity one
[17:46] <seb128> yeah
[17:46] <seb128> that website has the good old one :-)
[17:47] <Laney> brown?
[17:47] <seb128> isn't that a color?
[17:47]  * seb128 checks english dict
[17:47] <jbicha> oh better link: https://help.ubuntu.com/17.04/ubuntu-help/
[17:47] <Laney> yes but I don't see any
[17:47] <davmor2> seb128: no it's a colour
[17:48] <seb128> jbicha, still the same?
[17:48] <jbicha> I think you'd get approval from the docs team since it looks like the screenshots haven't been updated for a while
[17:48] <Laney> anyway
[17:48] <Laney> more discussion than it requires
[17:49] <seb128> Laney, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/zestyicon.png
[17:49] <seb128> Laney, that's daily zesty in a vm for me, gedit is at the bottom of the launcher
[17:49] <seb128> Laney, you might call that orange or green dunno?
[17:50] <Laney> oh right, the one chosen by unity when it's running
[17:50] <Laney> quite similar to firefox's one
[17:51] <seb128> not that far, a bit less colorful though, at least it looks a bit old fashion to me while the firefox one is more happy
[17:51] <seb128> but I'm more annoyed by the fact it's not centered :p
[17:51] <Laney> haha
[17:51] <Laney> right, you obviously have a better eye for such things than me
[17:52] <Laney> I don't care one single bit about either of those things but I believe you do :-)
[17:52] <jbicha> seb128: have you seen Nautilus' new very blue icon? (switch your icon theme to Adwaita)
[17:52] <seb128> I usually don't, that one just bother my "things must be correctly aligned or it looks weird" :p
[17:55] <seb128> grraa
[17:56] <seb128> Trevinho, maaarrrcccoo
[17:56] <seb128> killed compiz and it closed my session on zesty :-/
[17:56] <seb128> jbicha, adwaita is not listed in u-c-c, tried to set the key to "Adwaita" but I guess it's not the right name?
[17:59] <jbicha> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme 'Adwaita'
[17:59] <seb128> I did that, icon is not blue
[17:59] <seb128> oh well
[17:59] <jbicha> it used to be that you'd have to log out of Unity for the icon theme to fully update?
[18:00] <seb128> no
[18:00] <seb128> but there I logged out
[18:00] <seb128> well being forced out, I killed compiz and session closed
[18:00] <seb128> anyway need to go for a bit, I'm going to debug sessioninstaller a bit more later
[18:00] <seb128> one issue/change compared to xenial is that apt-xapian-index is not on the iso anymore it seems
[18:00] <seb128> unsure why
[18:00] <seb128> but it makes it hit another codepath since it uses that
[18:01] <seb128> oh well that's for later, need to go for now
[18:01] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers
[18:01] <Laney> night!
[18:02] <flexiondotorg> Night
[18:05] <willcooke> night seb128
[18:11] <jbicha> seb128: apt-xapian-index is in universe as of xenial
[18:25] <Laney> night from me too
[18:32] <willcooke> cya Laney
[18:53] <willcooke> night all
[19:02] <tkamppeter> jbicha, I have added a paragraph about driverless printing to the Realease Notes now.
[19:06] <jbicha> thanks! :)
[21:05] <ricotz> jbicha, Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1650972 o.O
[21:06] <ricotz> looks like there was a bug after all, even for quite some time