[12:54] <cmaloney> morning
[13:08] <brousch__> youarecorrectsir
[13:09] <cmaloney> Yay, finally something I can be right about
[13:10] <jrwren> good morning. How are you on this fine day?
[13:10] <cmaloney> Still unemployed, thinking I'm unemployable, and drinking coffee.
[13:10] <cmaloney> You? :)
[13:10] <brousch__> :(
[13:12] <jrwren> working and drinking coffee.
[13:15] <cmaloney> cool deal
[13:22] <brousch__> cmaloney: Have you started looking at anything outside of IT/programming?
[14:40] <cmaloney> Yeah, but I'm not sure what I can do other than dig ditches. :)
[14:41] <cmaloney> I think you need a Bachelors in ditch digging to even qualify anymore.
[14:41] <brousch__> Don't they have machines for that now?
[14:41] <cmaloney> Fucking robots. :)
[14:43] <cmaloney> Maybe I could become one o those 6-figure teachers I've heard so much about. ;)
[14:43]  * cmaloney is a little salty
[14:44]  * brousch__ will not lick cmaloney to confirm that statement
[14:45] <jrwren> if chromebooks can get good battery life, why can't linux laptops?
[14:46] <rick_h> jrwren: lies, chrome eats batteries for dinner. I've been told that.
[14:47] <brousch__> They can, if you strip down the install, tweak the kernel, and use power-efficient hardware
[14:55] <jrwren> ah, makes sense.
[14:56] <jrwren> so maybe in a year or two. IIRC a lot of the android kernel diffs got merged back into main linux branch. Maybe linux will be power efficient
[15:04] <rick_h> jrwren: heh, start usign linux with 4gb of ram?
[15:04]  * rick_h still can't believe that apple laptops default with 8
[15:05] <rick_h> "uuummm, this one has 'Pro' in the name. Surely that one gets more ootb?"
[15:07] <jrwren> rick_h: I know, but for $200, it was tempting for my kid.
[15:07] <rick_h> jrwren: the chromebook?
[15:07] <rick_h> oh definitely, they use them at my son's elementary school and I think they're pretty cool with the android app ability now
[15:08] <rick_h> I'll be tempted to get one for my son in a bit when he starts needing to use it for looking stuff up or writing
[15:08] <jrwren> oh, they do have the android app ability?
[15:08] <rick_h> yea
[15:08] <rick_h> https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/7021273?hl=en
[15:08] <jrwren> awesome.
[15:08] <rick_h> jrwren: looks like you need the right device: https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/chrome-os-systems-supporting-android-apps
[15:11] <jrwren> so weird.
[15:12] <jrwren> i love tech. i hate this closed b.s.
[15:18] <rick_h> the android stuff? or what other closed BS?
[15:18] <brousch__> The problem I ran into with chromebooks for the kid was lack of Minecraft (and now Roblox)
[15:18] <rick_h> but you'd be able to run minecraft the android app right?
[15:18] <rick_h> my son plays it on his android phone current so assumed that would come along
[15:18] <brousch__> Well that would be Minecraft PE vs normal Minecraft
[15:19]  * rick_h is minecraft ignorant so zoom over my head
[15:19] <brousch__> There is Minecraft, and there is Pocket Edition. PE is stripped down and designed for touch screens.
[15:19] <rick_h> oic
[15:20] <brousch__> Different games, really, and cannot interact with each other
[15:20] <rick_h> ah, bummer
[15:25] <cmaloney> Yeah, like the differences between Civ for PC and Civ for the Nintendo DS
[15:25] <cmaloney> (is my age showing?)
[15:32] <jrwren> The closed stuff I dislike is... yeah, android :)  If chrome os can run android apps, why can't my linux?
[15:51] <jcastro> well, someone has to do the work first off
[15:54] <jrwren> I guess that is always the case, eh? google did it for chromeos but it isn't open source. Oh well.
[17:47] <rick_h> https://goo.gl/photos/F7ea2WpTDVaTyd948 I'm not sure how hard to laugh at this
[17:50] <cmaloney> blergh
[17:53] <jrwren> idle your car for 50min? or can engine be off and key in RUN position?
[17:54] <rick_h> yea, I think "run" is maybe with the key part turned (or in my keyless truck you hit the start button without foot on the brake)
[17:56] <jrwren> i wonder if there will be an alt market for dumb vehicles sometime soon.
[17:57] <jrwren> I want this UI back: http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/sku/AC_Delco/Climate_Control_Unit/AC1572267.html
[17:58] <rick_h> hah, I had a rental car last week
[17:58] <_stink_> jrwren++
[17:58] <rick_h> and it was that way and I was annoyed "what do you mean I have to switch heat and adjust the level?"
[17:58] <greg-g> jrwren: that's what I have in my '02 subaru :)
[17:58]  * rick_h is spoiled with dual climate set a temp and let it go
[17:58] <rick_h> I want my side 69...heat or cool or whatever you need to do to make it so jfdi
[17:58] <greg-g> I don't want a fancy computerized car
[17:59] <greg-g> but, I do want the CVT transmission
[17:59] <greg-g> (atm machine)
[17:59] <rick_h> +1
[17:59] <rick_h> oh wait, you want CVT?
[17:59]  * rick_h hates CVT
[17:59] <greg-g> yeah, better gas mileage
[17:59] <rick_h> hated that in the subaru
[17:59] <rick_h> got a stick instead of a CVT
[18:00] <greg-g> I'd really love an electric/hybrid outback
[18:00] <rick_h> I'm really curious to try out the wife's hybrid pacifica if it ever gets here
[18:00] <jrwren> yes rick_h, you want your android phone. I want the equiv of the grandpa flip phone for car UI.
[18:01] <jrwren> No bullshit, no toys and it works.
[18:01] <jrwren> honestly, the '12 Accord is just fine in that regard.
[18:01] <greg-g> or better, a small four-door electric/hybrid pickup truck. Like a toyota tacoma size
[18:01] <rick_h> I hate the idea of upgrading my car and so much software in there...but damn I love my gps directions, set it and forget it climate control, and fancy tire pressure monitoring and such
[18:02] <jrwren> CVT is great in theory, but humans have got accustomed to feeling shifts under high acceleration.
[18:02] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, that'll be cool if they do something like that with a colorado or the like
[18:02] <greg-g> effing colorado, I hate that small ass thing
[18:02] <greg-g> I'm still pissed Ford discontinued the Ranger
[18:02] <jrwren> greg-g: WHAT?!  I want an S10.
[18:02] <rick_h> jrwren: well cvt just sucks for actual power and offroad testing shows that it can't deliver the power like non-cvt
[18:02] <jrwren> electric S10 would be great :)
[18:02] <greg-g> Ranger >> s10
[18:02] <rick_h> lol
[18:02] <jrwren> yes, Range >> S10 when it comes to size and eating gas.
[18:02]  * rick_h had a ranger back in the day and hated it
[18:04] <jrwren> only reason I want a pickup is for the utility. 4'x8' bed so I can pickup my own drywall plz. :)
[18:04] <rick_h> yea, I've come to love my truck
[18:04] <rick_h> didn't want to get it at first but it is nice
[18:04] <rick_h> when I had the ranger really only used hte bed a couple of times
[18:05] <rick_h> greg-g: colorado you can get in diesel now :) though I've never been in one so no experience with em
[18:05] <jrwren> would you trust GM and small diesel?
[18:06] <rick_h> we'll see. I <3 diesel
[18:10] <jrwren> me too. its just, GM doesn't have a very good record with small diesel engines.
[18:12]  * greg-g doesn't know those kinds of things
[18:12] <jrwren> Maybe I'm too anti-GM given I contracted for them for 5yrs :p
[18:13] <greg-g> heh
[18:35] <greg-g> "momma! momma! can you help me?! My underwear are inside out!"
[18:35] <greg-g> working from home you hear the darndest things
[18:35] <_stink_> haha
[18:35] <_stink_> yes
[18:36] <rick_h> lol
[18:36] <jrwren> babies!
[18:36] <jrwren> <3