| nacc | tsimonq2: i am going off the internal wiki :) but it might mean that too! | 00:01 |
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| Bashing-om | !info kodi | 00:53 |
| ubot5 | kodi (source: kodi): Open Source Home Theatre (executable binaries). In component universe, is optional. Version 15.2+dfsg1-3ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 13 kB, installed size 71 kB | 00:53 |
| acheron-a | hello everyone! | 01:25 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: Hello :) . | 01:35 |
| acheron-a | Bashing-om: hey i just wanted to say, great job helping everyone the way you do! | 01:36 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: Pay back for all the help I have received . My bit to do my part too . | 01:38 |
| acheron-a | i dont really need any help, i just observe from time to time the issues people are having | 01:38 |
| acheron-a | still new to ubuntu | 01:38 |
| acheron-a | just watching and learning | 01:39 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: That's the way ! .. and when you see an issue you know .. chime in ! | 01:42 |
| acheron-a | k' | 01:43 |
| acheron-a | anyone here testing ubuntu 17? | 04:22 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: I have it instaled, yes . | 04:24 |
| acheron-a | whats your general opinion? did they change unity much? | 04:25 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: Not that I have seen but I have been on gnome3 mostly . | 04:27 |
| Bashing-om | gnome3 is slick ! | 04:28 |
| acheron-a | so you use the gdt instead of unity? | 04:28 |
| acheron-a | is it faster you think? | 04:30 |
| acheron-a | i found unity to be a lot faster than cinnamon | 04:30 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: My work install is on a SSD. and my preferred DE os xfce4 . | 04:32 |
| acheron-a | well i am beginning to get used to and like unity | 04:33 |
| acheron-a | in fact i made a few themes for it myself, took all yesterday to do it | 04:33 |
| acheron-a | all the ones on line change the windows, i just needed all the buttons and bars, scroll, and stuff to change from the orange to match the Faience Azur icons i like | 04:37 |
| acheron-a | so going in and changing all the color codes in the xml files took a while | 04:40 |
| acheron-a | and the copying the 'assets' | 04:40 |
| acheron-a | so is unity a light weight version of Gnome DE? | 04:42 |
| acheron-a | once i got the fonts and colors adjusted, unity has turned out to be not so bad after all | 04:49 |
| acheron-a | i was actually showing it off to someone today who is running mint Cinn DE | 04:51 |
| Bashing-om | acheron-a: Nothing wroong with unity , just that a tradional DE suits my work flow the better . And I prefer as light as I can get it . | 04:59 |
| acheron-a | so is unity a Gnome variant of sorts? | 05:00 |
| acheron-a | well like a 'forked' version of Gnome? | 05:01 |
| acheron-a | well good night everyone | 05:10 |
| Bashing-om | unity runs on top of gnome . | 05:13 |
| alkisg | Good morning guys | 06:00 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 06:08 |
| alkisg | Morning lotuspsychje :) | 06:08 |
| lotuspsychje | hey there alkisg how are you mate | 06:08 |
| lotuspsychje | and hey Bashing-om :p | 06:09 |
| alkisg | Spring! All is sunny! | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | alkisg: where are you? | 06:09 |
| alkisg | Greece | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | ooh nice | 06:09 |
| alkisg | You? | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | belgium | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | we have to wait a little more for sun | 06:10 |
| alkisg | Eeeh I was looking for a job there once, and it was raining on July, so even though the money was good, I thought it's not for me :( | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | thats true, we having rain like 7-8 months a year | 06:10 |
| lotuspsychje | few weeks hot sun is a good summer for us | 06:10 |
| alkisg | Other than the sun and sea, it's an awesome country :) | 06:11 |
| Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Hiya ! welcome to the Lion's den ! Patience is a virtue ! | 06:11 |
| lotuspsychje | also true, land of chocolat, lace,waffles and french frites | 06:11 |
| lotuspsychje | alkisg: whats the national pride of greece? | 06:12 |
| alkisg | Mostly sea+sun. Eh, and history :) | 06:12 |
| lotuspsychje | ah yeah, right | 06:12 |
| alkisg | Not that we have much of that still left to boast for... | 06:12 |
| lotuspsychje | and greec yoghurt and olives i like :p | 06:13 |
| alkisg | I liked the waffles with fruit in Brussels! | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | cool | 06:13 |
| alkisg | We only have waffles with ice cream here, never with fruit | 06:13 |
| lotuspsychje | its crazy how ubuntu can all bind us worldwide, you gotta love opensource :p | 06:13 |
| alkisg | True! It's also cool working on something on a project, then going to sleep, and when you wake up, that part is already done by someone else in another timezone :D | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | i just love that | 06:15 |
| lotuspsychje | also, it intrudes our way of life, our thinking | 06:16 |
| lotuspsychje | do we have a usefull trigger for those bloody hibernate issues? | 06:17 |
| lotuspsychje | i think those come the most still in main | 06:17 |
| lotuspsychje | !acpi | 06:19 |
| lotuspsychje | we should have one of those | 06:20 |
| lotuspsychje | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI | 06:23 |
| lotuspsychje | does this look usefull to you guys? | 06:23 |
| Bashing-om | done, g nite guys . | 06:48 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 07:08 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl breakfast | 07:21 |
| lotuspsychje | have a nice one guys | 07:21 |
| ducasse | morning all | 07:41 |
| alkisg | Good morning | 07:43 |
| ducasse | hi, alkisg | 07:44 |
| lotuspsychje | morning ducasse | 08:15 |
| ducasse | hi lotuspsychje, how are you? | 08:18 |
| lotuspsychje | great here mate and you? | 08:18 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: what do you think of this trigger, to help those bloody hibernate issues we have so much in main? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI | 08:19 |
| ducasse | good, thanks :) looks like the weather will be nice today :) | 08:19 |
| ducasse | let's see... | 08:19 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah also sunny here | 08:19 |
| lotuspsychje | wiki edited last 2011, so wasnt sure if still usefull | 08:21 |
| ducasse | hard to say, i'm not at all that familiar with acpi issues tbh. it's better than nothing i guess, but it doesn't mention the acpi_osi=Windows... fix etc | 08:23 |
| ducasse | it's very short, to put it that way. | 08:24 |
| lotuspsychje | ah right, thatl be surely usefull also | 08:24 |
| lordievader | lotuspsychje: What hibernate issues? | 08:25 |
| lotuspsychje | lordievader: every day users come here asking the same stuff again, help i closed my laptop lid/hibernate doesnt work properly | 08:26 |
| lotuspsychje | or touchpad acpi issues | 08:27 |
| Ben64 | doctor it hurts when i do this | 08:27 |
| Ben64 | ...don't do that | 08:27 |
| lotuspsychje | i think those problems are mostly asked in main | 08:27 |
| lotuspsychje | Ben64: yeah im not actually a fan of hibernating myself | 08:27 |
| lotuspsychje | with the speed of ssd's, why not just halt | 08:28 |
| Ben64 | people loooove keeping apps open forever | 08:28 |
| Ben64 | and it's simply impossible to re-open them | 08:28 |
| lotuspsychje | i understand, but try to convince john doe, that his newly bought hardware doesnt function like he wishes lol | 08:29 |
| lotuspsychje | must be ubuntu's fault then.. | 08:30 |
| Ben64 | because it always works flawlessly on windows? :P | 08:30 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 08:30 |
| Ben64 | the amount of computer problems i've had have drastically decreased since switching to linux | 08:31 |
| lotuspsychje | i once saw a guy with his laptop bound to his bike in hibernate, with adapter pushing on his screen lid with elastic, breaking his screen almost | 08:31 |
| Ben64 | ew | 08:31 |
| lotuspsychje | quick ride home to work further with his pc lol | 08:31 |
| Ben64 | i know laptops are supposed to be better with shock, but biking sounds awful | 08:32 |
| lotuspsychje | laptopcases should be built with sideway adapter, far from the laptop | 08:33 |
| lotuspsychje | most ppl pushing it against the screen | 08:33 |
| * lordievader likes the suspend function | 08:36 | |
| lordievader | Waiting for the hibernate process to finish is a pita -.- | 08:37 |
| lotuspsychje | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt | 08:47 |
| lotuspsychje | big list of kernel boot options | 08:47 |
| lotuspsychje | http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-17-04-zesty-zapus-final-beta-lands-late-tomorrow-freeze-now-in-effect-514147.shtml | 08:55 |
| lordievader | Luckily the kernel has good defaults :) | 08:58 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 09:00 |
| ducasse | testing out liquorix again, can't really say there's that much of a difference tbh. | 09:03 |
| lotuspsychje | https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/03/firefox-gets-complaint-for-labeling-unencrypted-login-page-insecure/ | 09:03 |
| ducasse | hilarious :) | 09:08 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 09:08 |
| ducasse | "we haven't been hacked in 15 years" two minutes later - *boom* :) | 09:09 |
| lotuspsychje | haha | 09:09 |
| lotuspsychje | always dangerous to make security statements | 09:10 |
| lotuspsychje | look at security model of telegram | 09:10 |
| lotuspsychje | its encrypted blabla.. | 09:10 |
| lotuspsychje | the most secure data, is burried in your garden :p | 09:12 |
| lotuspsychje | https://telegram.org/crypto_contest | 09:14 |
| lotuspsychje | hmmmm someone needs 200.000$ ? | 09:14 |
| lordievader | I get that warning on some personal pages... which I have to access via ipsec, so I don't mind :P | 09:14 |
| lotuspsychje | weird the cia didnt claim it lol | 09:14 |
| ducasse | i wonder if the guy who filed that bug report will be fired? he's probably in the marketing department... | 09:18 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 09:18 |
| lotuspsychje | hi padraic | 09:18 |
| lotuspsychje | https://twitter.com/durov/status/839184766998044672 | 09:23 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: something for you? https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/841644356289327104/photo/1 | 09:29 |
| lotuspsychje | wondering what kind of cool devices will birth on ubuntu core boards | 09:30 |
| ducasse | i try to avoid all these random arm devices, there are far too many of them. i prefer the rpi and other well-known ones that have a bigger community around them and lots of support. interesting stuff, though, i guess this is for iot? | 09:50 |
| BluesKaj | HI folks | 10:26 |
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| nicomachus | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/netflix-finally-adds-support-firefox-linux | 13:45 |
| OerHeks | good news indeed, no more hacks needed | 13:47 |
| BluesKaj | nicomachus, google-chrome ran netflix in linux for a while now | 13:49 |
| nicomachus | BluesKaj: I know, but I hate chrome and have been wanting to get rid of it for awhile. Now I can! | 13:54 |
| BluesKaj | nicomachus, seems there are several netflix extensions for FF, but no clear plugin ...I'm confused | 14:00 |
| nicomachus | I tried it on FF, but firefox encountered a bug | 14:01 |
| nicomachus | see: https://i.imgur.com/6b6NOHL.gifv | 14:01 |
| BluesKaj | is that html5 ? | 14:04 |
| BluesKaj | I'm getting used to chrome, but I understand how you feel. It's so proprietary and clunky | 14:05 |
| brunch875 | I used to like chrome because it syncs with google | 14:45 |
| brunch875 | Now I don't like chrome because it syncs with google | 14:45 |
| nicomachus | heh | 14:47 |
| daftykins | don't forget that you choose what features to use... but yeah i don't understand why people treat chrome as some kind of jesus browser | 16:13 |
| daftykins | it's not as far ahead as perhaps it might've temporarily been on release way back | 16:13 |
| BluesKaj | daftykins: well the latest FF 50.0.1 is awful, slow and clunky and unresponsive | 16:17 |
| brunch875 | BluesKaj: mine works immediatly | 16:17 |
| brunch875 | perhaps it's the SSD doing its magic | 16:17 |
| BluesKaj | mine is terrible, but I'm on 17.04 | 16:18 |
| daftykins | latest? 52.0 here | 16:18 |
| brunch875 | BluesKaj: not an excuse, me too! | 16:18 |
| BluesKaj | brunch875: i'm uing a ssd as well | 16:18 |
| daftykins | 52.0.1 no less - also if you've been using it through upgrades and what not forever, clean profiles are always good | 16:18 |
| daftykins | as is ublock origin :> | 16:18 |
| brunch875 | BluesKaj: also, remember how I couldn't get the liveUSB to work yesterday on UEFI? Turns out the USB itself was faulty. Fixed the issue by using an external drive instead :s | 16:19 |
| daftykins | it's rare but i've definitely heard of drives being funky, sometimes they can be returned to usefulness with a good zero fill | 16:19 |
| BluesKaj | daftykins: think 17.04 doesn't have the latest FF for some reason | 16:19 |
| daftykins | can also be quirks when in USB 2.0 vs. 3.0 ports | 16:20 |
| nacc | !info firefox zesty | 16:20 |
| brunch875 | daftykins: it was definitely a 2.0 / 3.0 issue | 16:20 |
| ubot5 | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 50.1.0+build2-0ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 46470 kB, installed size 112768 kB | 16:20 |
| nacc | that is strange | 16:21 |
| nacc | ah it's stuck in proposed | 16:21 |
| brunch875 | !info firefox trusty | 16:21 |
| ubot5 | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 52.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 (trusty), package size 45089 kB, installed size 104269 kB | 16:21 |
| daftykins | pretty Canonical standard ;) | 16:21 |
| brunch875 | what the... | 16:21 |
| brunch875 | I installed zesty to get the bleeding edge | 16:21 |
| nacc | failed to build on armhf and s390x | 16:21 |
| brunch875 | this is surprising | 16:21 |
| daftykins | it's not april yet so it's not like it really matters :> | 16:21 |
| nacc | brunch875: not especially, not released yet | 16:22 |
| tsimonq2 | Oh shoot | 16:22 |
| tsimonq2 | I need to go mark a regression with that | 16:22 |
| daftykins | 52 is meant to be the edition that finally bans NPAPI plugins other than flash player | 16:22 |
| tsimonq2 | It needs to depend on pulseaudio or it breaks in Lubuntu | 16:22 |
| nacc | tsimonq2: fun :) | 16:22 |
| nacc | tsimonq2: yeah, that's the alsa debacle? | 16:22 |
| * brunch875 awaits the death of flash | 16:22 | |
| tsimonq2 | nacc: And only Lubuntu 16.04 LTS | 16:22 |
| tsimonq2 | >__________< | 16:22 |
| nacc | tsimonq2: yeah ... :/ | 16:22 |
| tsimonq2 | nacc: I don't know about alsa, that decision was made before I was a Lubuntu person | 16:23 |
| daftykins | only thing i still use flash for is baseball from mlb.com :) | 16:25 |
| nacc | oh gawd | 16:26 |
| nacc | firefox is at different versions on xenial and yakkety depending on arch too | 16:26 |
| nacc | becasue it failed to build on some architectures | 16:26 |
| tsimonq2 | nacc: It didn't help that OMG! Ubuntu! picked up on it before the Lubuntu team did, and they reported a headline which seemed to me like, "Lubuntu broke Firefox yet again" | 16:26 |
| daftykins | any indication what the failure is? :P | 16:26 |
| daftykins | tsimonq2: online 'journalism' being sensational!? never :) | 16:27 |
| nacc | hrm, no logs | 16:27 |
| tsimonq2 | That really pissed me off, especially because Joey and I are not on good terms >__< | 16:27 |
| tsimonq2 | I was like "noooooooo, no more witchhunting >___<" | 16:27 |
| nacc | daftykins: ah i see, it's a ppa copy from the mozilla security team ppa, so i can't see the logs on lp directly | 16:28 |
| BluesKaj | not using FF 52 on kde/plasma. it requires pulseaudio ...no thanks :/ | 17:21 |
| daftykins | that requirement doesn't make much sense | 17:23 |
| OerHeks | It was discussed over a year ago.. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1247056 | 17:25 |
| ubot5 | Mozilla bug 1247056 in Audio/Video: cubeb "Require PulseAudio to play sound on Linux" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 17:25 |
| nicomachus | https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/03/17/1644211/firefox-goes-pulseaudio-only-leaves-alsa-users-with-no-sound | 17:25 |
| nicomachus | better source: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/firefox-52-no-sound-pulseaudio-alsa-linux | 17:26 |
| daftykins | uuuh omgubuntu better than slashdot? that's bold | 17:26 |
| nicomachus | "Make Pulse Audio a hard dependency on Linux so that we reduce the problems and maintenance associated with maintaining multiple audio backends | 17:26 |
| nicomachus | " | 17:26 |
| nicomachus | Responding to the criticism Mozilla engineer, Anthony Jones, says: “making trade offs is a necessary part of making a good product”. When asked to restore ALSA support in the the rep replies: “[that] isn’t going to happen. Sorry.” | 17:26 |
| nicomachus | daftykins: well the slashdot post was just an excerpt from the omgubuntu article. | 17:27 |
| nicomachus | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 17:27 |
| OerHeks | not the kernel alsa but a buggy system design, | 17:27 |
| daftykins | ah right | 17:29 |
| daftykins | i had a feeling that might've been the case after i hit enter XD | 17:29 |
| OerHeks | at least Linux documents all functions .. http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-doubleagent-zero-day-hijacks-microsoft-tool-to-turn-antivirus-into-malware/ | 17:29 |
| daftykins | that one isn't even that big a deal | 17:30 |
| BluesKaj | alsa hasn;t had much development since 2008 when PA wasforced down our throats. Thank God for Intel audio snd-hda drivers. They are written for alsa first so they work without PA | 17:33 |
| BluesKaj | anyway, stuff to do for a few mins...bbl | 17:35 |
| Bashing-om | Time for a nap ! | 20:11 |
| Bashing-om | Back: all better now :) | 23:09 |
| tsimonq2 | Bashing-om: I know, right? I went for a nap about the same time you did, really helps when you're sick. | 23:29 |
| Bashing-om | tsimonq2: Naps are good things ! ( how else could we do these 2AM sessions ?) | 23:31 |
| tsimonq2 | Bashing-om: ikr | 23:32 |
| Bashing-om | Or in your case - pusing out the next release ! peace and quiet required . | 23:33 |
| Bashing-om | pushing* | 23:33 |
| tsimonq2 | Bashing-om: Sure, absolutely. :) | 23:42 |
| tsimonq2 | nicomachus: Joey changed the title, it originally read, "Lubuntu users are left with no sound after upgrading Firefox" | 23:43 |
| tsimonq2 | nicomachus: And I was like, "yyyeeeaaahhh, nope, no more witchhunting... >__<" | 23:43 |
| Bashing-om | I never knew a champion yet that did not 'nap' to perform ; :D | 23:44 |
| tsimonq2 | Bashing-om: Last release cycle, if you remember, I did a milestone release with Set Hallstrom of Ubuntu Studio (really great guy, I enjoyed working with him) and when we published the release announcement, I was running off of 24 hours with no sleep. When we were done I crashed. | 23:46 |
| tsimonq2 | Bashing-om: So it's doable but it's hell. :P | 23:46 |
| Bashing-om | tsimonq2: Yeah , I do seem to recall that situation . We do what we must . I once ran 40 hours non stop . there toward the end I was mostly useless and brain dead :) | 23:48 |
| tsimonq2 | Bashing-om: I believe after 48 hours of no sleep you are legally declared mentally insane. :P | 23:49 |
| Bashing-om | LOL - I can believe that . | 23:49 |
| acheron-a | hello Bashing-om | 23:59 |
| acheron-a | so back to question last night ... | 23:59 |
| acheron-a | is unity interface a gnome fork? | 23:59 |
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