[00:01] tsimonq2: i am going off the internal wiki :) but it might mean that too! [00:53] !info kodi [00:53] kodi (source: kodi): Open Source Home Theatre (executable binaries). In component universe, is optional. Version 15.2+dfsg1-3ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 13 kB, installed size 71 kB [01:25] hello everyone! [01:35] acheron-a: Hello :) . [01:36] Bashing-om: hey i just wanted to say, great job helping everyone the way you do! [01:38] acheron-a: Pay back for all the help I have received . My bit to do my part too . [01:38] i dont really need any help, i just observe from time to time the issues people are having [01:38] still new to ubuntu [01:39] just watching and learning [01:42] acheron-a: That's the way ! .. and when you see an issue you know .. chime in ! [01:43] k' [04:22] anyone here testing ubuntu 17? [04:24] acheron-a: I have it instaled, yes . [04:25] whats your general opinion? did they change unity much? [04:27] acheron-a: Not that I have seen but I have been on gnome3 mostly . [04:28] gnome3 is slick ! [04:28] so you use the gdt instead of unity? [04:30] is it faster you think? [04:30] i found unity to be a lot faster than cinnamon [04:32] acheron-a: My work install is on a SSD. and my preferred DE os xfce4 . [04:33] well i am beginning to get used to and like unity [04:33] in fact i made a few themes for it myself, took all yesterday to do it [04:37] all the ones on line change the windows, i just needed all the buttons and bars, scroll, and stuff to change from the orange to match the Faience Azur icons i like [04:40] so going in and changing all the color codes in the xml files took a while [04:40] and the copying the 'assets' [04:42] so is unity a light weight version of Gnome DE? [04:49] once i got the fonts and colors adjusted, unity has turned out to be not so bad after all [04:51] i was actually showing it off to someone today who is running mint Cinn DE [04:59] acheron-a: Nothing wroong with unity , just that a tradional DE suits my work flow the better . And I prefer as light as I can get it . [05:00] so is unity a Gnome variant of sorts? [05:01] well like a 'forked' version of Gnome? [05:10] well good night everyone [05:13] unity runs on top of gnome . [06:00] Good morning guys [06:08] good morning to all [06:08] Morning lotuspsychje :) [06:08] hey there alkisg how are you mate [06:09] and hey Bashing-om :p [06:09] Spring! All is sunny! [06:09] alkisg: where are you? [06:09] Greece [06:09] ooh nice [06:09] You? [06:09] belgium [06:10] we have to wait a little more for sun [06:10] Eeeh I was looking for a job there once, and it was raining on July, so even though the money was good, I thought it's not for me :( [06:10] thats true, we having rain like 7-8 months a year [06:10] few weeks hot sun is a good summer for us [06:11] Other than the sun and sea, it's an awesome country :) [06:11] lotuspsychje: Hiya ! welcome to the Lion's den ! Patience is a virtue ! [06:11] also true, land of chocolat, lace,waffles and french frites [06:12] alkisg: whats the national pride of greece? [06:12] Mostly sea+sun. Eh, and history :) [06:12] ah yeah, right [06:12] Not that we have much of that still left to boast for... [06:13] and greec yoghurt and olives i like :p [06:13] I liked the waffles with fruit in Brussels! [06:13] cool [06:13] We only have waffles with ice cream here, never with fruit [06:13] its crazy how ubuntu can all bind us worldwide, you gotta love opensource :p [06:15] True! It's also cool working on something on a project, then going to sleep, and when you wake up, that part is already done by someone else in another timezone :D [06:15] i just love that [06:16] also, it intrudes our way of life, our thinking [06:17] do we have a usefull trigger for those bloody hibernate issues? [06:17] i think those come the most still in main [06:19] !acpi [06:20] we should have one of those [06:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI [06:23] does this look usefull to you guys? [06:48] done, g nite guys . [07:08] Good morning. [07:21] bbl breakfast [07:21] have a nice one guys [07:41] morning all [07:43] Good morning [07:44] hi, alkisg [08:15] morning ducasse [08:18] hi lotuspsychje, how are you? [08:18] great here mate and you? [08:19] ducasse: what do you think of this trigger, to help those bloody hibernate issues we have so much in main? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI [08:19] good, thanks :) looks like the weather will be nice today :) [08:19] let's see... [08:19] yeah also sunny here [08:21] wiki edited last 2011, so wasnt sure if still usefull [08:23] hard to say, i'm not at all that familiar with acpi issues tbh. it's better than nothing i guess, but it doesn't mention the acpi_osi=Windows... fix etc [08:24] it's very short, to put it that way. [08:24] ah right, thatl be surely usefull also [08:25] lotuspsychje: What hibernate issues? [08:26] lordievader: every day users come here asking the same stuff again, help i closed my laptop lid/hibernate doesnt work properly [08:27] or touchpad acpi issues [08:27] doctor it hurts when i do this [08:27] ...don't do that [08:27] i think those problems are mostly asked in main [08:27] Ben64: yeah im not actually a fan of hibernating myself [08:28] with the speed of ssd's, why not just halt [08:28] people loooove keeping apps open forever [08:28] and it's simply impossible to re-open them [08:29] i understand, but try to convince john doe, that his newly bought hardware doesnt function like he wishes lol [08:30] must be ubuntu's fault then.. [08:30] because it always works flawlessly on windows? :P [08:30] lol [08:31] the amount of computer problems i've had have drastically decreased since switching to linux [08:31] i once saw a guy with his laptop bound to his bike in hibernate, with adapter pushing on his screen lid with elastic, breaking his screen almost [08:31] ew [08:31] quick ride home to work further with his pc lol [08:32] i know laptops are supposed to be better with shock, but biking sounds awful [08:33] laptopcases should be built with sideway adapter, far from the laptop [08:33] most ppl pushing it against the screen [08:36] * lordievader likes the suspend function [08:37] Waiting for the hibernate process to finish is a pita -.- [08:47] https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt [08:47] big list of kernel boot options [08:55] http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-17-04-zesty-zapus-final-beta-lands-late-tomorrow-freeze-now-in-effect-514147.shtml [08:58] Luckily the kernel has good defaults :) [09:00] yeah [09:03] testing out liquorix again, can't really say there's that much of a difference tbh. [09:03] https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/03/firefox-gets-complaint-for-labeling-unencrypted-login-page-insecure/ [09:08] hilarious :) [09:08] lol [09:09] "we haven't been hacked in 15 years" two minutes later - *boom* :) [09:09] haha [09:10] always dangerous to make security statements [09:10] look at security model of telegram [09:10] its encrypted blabla.. [09:12] the most secure data, is burried in your garden :p [09:14] https://telegram.org/crypto_contest [09:14] hmmmm someone needs 200.000$ ? [09:14] I get that warning on some personal pages... which I have to access via ipsec, so I don't mind :P [09:14] weird the cia didnt claim it lol [09:18] i wonder if the guy who filed that bug report will be fired? he's probably in the marketing department... [09:18] lol [09:18] hi padraic [09:23] https://twitter.com/durov/status/839184766998044672 [09:29] ducasse: something for you? https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/841644356289327104/photo/1 [09:30] wondering what kind of cool devices will birth on ubuntu core boards [09:50] i try to avoid all these random arm devices, there are far too many of them. i prefer the rpi and other well-known ones that have a bigger community around them and lots of support. interesting stuff, though, i guess this is for iot? [10:26] HI folks === JanC_ is now known as JanC [13:45] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/netflix-finally-adds-support-firefox-linux [13:47] good news indeed, no more hacks needed [13:49] nicomachus, google-chrome ran netflix in linux for a while now [13:54] BluesKaj: I know, but I hate chrome and have been wanting to get rid of it for awhile. Now I can! [14:00] nicomachus, seems there are several netflix extensions for FF, but no clear plugin ...I'm confused [14:01] I tried it on FF, but firefox encountered a bug [14:01] see: https://i.imgur.com/6b6NOHL.gifv [14:04] is that html5 ? [14:05] I'm getting used to chrome, but I understand how you feel. It's so proprietary and clunky [14:45] I used to like chrome because it syncs with google [14:45] Now I don't like chrome because it syncs with google [14:47] heh [16:13] don't forget that you choose what features to use... but yeah i don't understand why people treat chrome as some kind of jesus browser [16:13] it's not as far ahead as perhaps it might've temporarily been on release way back [16:17] daftykins: well the latest FF 50.0.1 is awful, slow and clunky and unresponsive [16:17] BluesKaj: mine works immediatly [16:17] perhaps it's the SSD doing its magic [16:18] mine is terrible, but I'm on 17.04 [16:18] latest? 52.0 here [16:18] BluesKaj: not an excuse, me too! [16:18] brunch875: i'm uing a ssd as well [16:18] 52.0.1 no less - also if you've been using it through upgrades and what not forever, clean profiles are always good [16:18] as is ublock origin :> [16:19] BluesKaj: also, remember how I couldn't get the liveUSB to work yesterday on UEFI? Turns out the USB itself was faulty. Fixed the issue by using an external drive instead :s [16:19] it's rare but i've definitely heard of drives being funky, sometimes they can be returned to usefulness with a good zero fill [16:19] daftykins: think 17.04 doesn't have the latest FF for some reason [16:20] can also be quirks when in USB 2.0 vs. 3.0 ports [16:20] !info firefox zesty [16:20] daftykins: it was definitely a 2.0 / 3.0 issue [16:20] firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 50.1.0+build2-0ubuntu1 (zesty), package size 46470 kB, installed size 112768 kB [16:21] that is strange [16:21] ah it's stuck in proposed [16:21] !info firefox trusty [16:21] firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 52.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 (trusty), package size 45089 kB, installed size 104269 kB [16:21] pretty Canonical standard ;) [16:21] what the... [16:21] I installed zesty to get the bleeding edge [16:21] failed to build on armhf and s390x [16:21] this is surprising [16:21] it's not april yet so it's not like it really matters :> [16:22] brunch875: not especially, not released yet [16:22] Oh shoot [16:22] I need to go mark a regression with that [16:22] 52 is meant to be the edition that finally bans NPAPI plugins other than flash player [16:22] It needs to depend on pulseaudio or it breaks in Lubuntu [16:22] tsimonq2: fun :) [16:22] tsimonq2: yeah, that's the alsa debacle? [16:22] * brunch875 awaits the death of flash [16:22] nacc: And only Lubuntu 16.04 LTS [16:22] >__________< [16:22] tsimonq2: yeah ... :/ [16:23] nacc: I don't know about alsa, that decision was made before I was a Lubuntu person [16:25] only thing i still use flash for is baseball from mlb.com :) [16:26] oh gawd [16:26] firefox is at different versions on xenial and yakkety depending on arch too [16:26] becasue it failed to build on some architectures [16:26] nacc: It didn't help that OMG! Ubuntu! picked up on it before the Lubuntu team did, and they reported a headline which seemed to me like, "Lubuntu broke Firefox yet again" [16:26] any indication what the failure is? :P [16:27] tsimonq2: online 'journalism' being sensational!? never :) [16:27] hrm, no logs [16:27] That really pissed me off, especially because Joey and I are not on good terms >__< [16:27] I was like "noooooooo, no more witchhunting >___<" [16:28] daftykins: ah i see, it's a ppa copy from the mozilla security team ppa, so i can't see the logs on lp directly [17:21] not using FF 52 on kde/plasma. it requires pulseaudio ...no thanks :/ [17:23] that requirement doesn't make much sense [17:25] It was discussed over a year ago.. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1247056 [17:25] Mozilla bug 1247056 in Audio/Video: cubeb "Require PulseAudio to play sound on Linux" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [17:25] https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/03/17/1644211/firefox-goes-pulseaudio-only-leaves-alsa-users-with-no-sound [17:26] better source: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/firefox-52-no-sound-pulseaudio-alsa-linux [17:26] uuuh omgubuntu better than slashdot? that's bold [17:26] "Make Pulse Audio a hard dependency on Linux so that we reduce the problems and maintenance associated with maintaining multiple audio backends [17:26] " [17:26] Responding to the criticism Mozilla engineer, Anthony Jones, says: “making trade offs is a necessary part of making a good product”. When asked to restore ALSA support in the the rep replies: “[that] isn’t going to happen. Sorry.” [17:27] daftykins: well the slashdot post was just an excerpt from the omgubuntu article. [17:27] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [17:27] not the kernel alsa but a buggy system design, [17:29] ah right [17:29] i had a feeling that might've been the case after i hit enter XD [17:29] at least Linux documents all functions .. http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-doubleagent-zero-day-hijacks-microsoft-tool-to-turn-antivirus-into-malware/ [17:30] that one isn't even that big a deal [17:33] alsa hasn;t had much development since 2008 when PA wasforced down our throats. Thank God for Intel audio snd-hda drivers. They are written for alsa first so they work without PA [17:35] anyway, stuff to do for a few mins...bbl [20:11] Time for a nap ! [23:09] Back: all better now :) [23:29] Bashing-om: I know, right? I went for a nap about the same time you did, really helps when you're sick. [23:31] tsimonq2: Naps are good things ! ( how else could we do these 2AM sessions ?) [23:32] Bashing-om: ikr [23:33] Or in your case - pusing out the next release ! peace and quiet required . [23:33] pushing* [23:42] Bashing-om: Sure, absolutely. :) [23:43] nicomachus: Joey changed the title, it originally read, "Lubuntu users are left with no sound after upgrading Firefox" [23:43] nicomachus: And I was like, "yyyeeeaaahhh, nope, no more witchhunting... >__<" [23:44] I never knew a champion yet that did not 'nap' to perform ; :D [23:46] Bashing-om: Last release cycle, if you remember, I did a milestone release with Set Hallstrom of Ubuntu Studio (really great guy, I enjoyed working with him) and when we published the release announcement, I was running off of 24 hours with no sleep. When we were done I crashed. [23:46] Bashing-om: So it's doable but it's hell. :P [23:48] tsimonq2: Yeah , I do seem to recall that situation . We do what we must . I once ran 40 hours non stop . there toward the end I was mostly useless and brain dead :) [23:49] Bashing-om: I believe after 48 hours of no sleep you are legally declared mentally insane. :P [23:49] LOL - I can believe that . [23:59] hello Bashing-om [23:59] so back to question last night ... [23:59] is unity interface a gnome fork?