[00:01] <nacc> tsimonq2: i am going off the internal wiki :) but it might mean that too!
[00:53] <Bashing-om> !info kodi
[01:25] <acheron-a> hello everyone!
[01:35] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: Hello :) .
[01:36] <acheron-a> Bashing-om: hey i just wanted to say, great job helping everyone the way you do!
[01:38] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: Pay back for all the help I have received . My bit to do my part too .
[01:38] <acheron-a> i dont really need any help, i just observe from time to time the issues people are having
[01:38] <acheron-a> still new to ubuntu
[01:39] <acheron-a> just watching and learning
[01:42] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: That's the way ! .. and when you see an issue you know .. chime in !
[01:43] <acheron-a> k'
[04:22] <acheron-a> anyone here testing ubuntu 17?
[04:24] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: I have it instaled, yes .
[04:25] <acheron-a> whats your general opinion?  did they change unity much?
[04:27] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: Not that I have seen but I have been on gnome3 mostly .
[04:28] <Bashing-om> gnome3 is slick !
[04:28] <acheron-a> so you use the gdt instead of unity?
[04:30] <acheron-a> is it faster you think?
[04:30] <acheron-a> i found unity to be a lot faster than cinnamon
[04:32] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: My work install is on a SSD. and my preferred DE os xfce4 .
[04:33] <acheron-a> well i am beginning to get used to and like unity
[04:33] <acheron-a> in fact i made a few themes for it myself, took all yesterday to do it
[04:37] <acheron-a> all the ones on line change the windows, i just needed all the buttons and bars, scroll, and stuff to change from the orange to match the Faience Azur icons i like
[04:40] <acheron-a> so going in and changing all the color codes in the xml files took a while
[04:40] <acheron-a> and the copying the 'assets'
[04:42] <acheron-a> so is unity a light weight version of Gnome DE?
[04:49] <acheron-a> once i got the fonts and colors adjusted, unity has turned out to be not so bad after all
[04:51] <acheron-a> i was actually showing it off to someone today who is running mint Cinn DE
[04:59] <Bashing-om> acheron-a: Nothing wroong with unity , just that a tradional DE suits my work flow the better . And I prefer as light as I can get it .
[05:00] <acheron-a> so is unity a Gnome variant of sorts?
[05:01] <acheron-a> well like a 'forked' version of Gnome?
[05:10] <acheron-a> well good night everyone
[05:13] <Bashing-om> unity runs on top of  gnome .
[06:00] <alkisg> Good morning guys
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:08] <alkisg> Morning lotuspsychje :)
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> hey there alkisg how are you mate
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> and hey Bashing-om :p
[06:09] <alkisg> Spring! All is sunny!
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: where are you?
[06:09] <alkisg> Greece
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> ooh nice
[06:09] <alkisg> You?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> belgium
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> we have to wait a little more for sun
[06:10] <alkisg> Eeeh I was looking for a job there once, and it was raining on July, so even though the money was good, I thought it's not for me :(
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> thats true, we having rain like 7-8 months a year
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> few weeks hot sun is a good summer for us
[06:11] <alkisg> Other than the sun and sea, it's an awesome country :)
[06:11] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Hiya ! welcome to the Lion's den ! Patience is a virtue !
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> also true, land of chocolat, lace,waffles and french frites
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: whats the national pride of greece?
[06:12] <alkisg> Mostly sea+sun. Eh, and history :)
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> ah yeah, right
[06:12] <alkisg> Not that we have much of that still left to boast for...
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> and greec yoghurt and olives i like :p
[06:13] <alkisg> I liked the waffles with fruit in Brussels!
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:13] <alkisg> We only have waffles with ice cream here, never with fruit
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> its crazy how ubuntu can all bind us worldwide, you gotta love opensource :p
[06:15] <alkisg> True! It's also cool working on something on a project, then going to sleep, and when you wake up, that part is already done by someone else in another timezone :D
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> i just love that
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> also, it intrudes our way of life, our thinking
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> do we have a usefull trigger for those bloody hibernate issues?
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> i think those come the most still in main
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> !acpi
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> we should have one of those
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> does this look usefull to you guys?
[06:48] <Bashing-om> done, g nite guys .
[07:08] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> bbl breakfast
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one guys
[07:41] <ducasse> morning all
[07:43] <alkisg> Good morning
[07:44] <ducasse> hi, alkisg
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse
[08:18] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, how are you?
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> great here mate and you?
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: what do you think of this trigger, to help those bloody hibernate issues we have so much in main? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[08:19] <ducasse> good, thanks :) looks like the weather will be nice today :)
[08:19] <ducasse> let's see...
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah also sunny here
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> wiki edited last 2011, so wasnt sure if still usefull
[08:23] <ducasse> hard to say, i'm not at all that familiar with acpi issues tbh. it's better than nothing i guess, but it doesn't mention the acpi_osi=Windows... fix etc
[08:24] <ducasse> it's very short, to put it that way.
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> ah right, thatl be surely usefull also
[08:25] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: What hibernate issues?
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: every day users come here asking the same stuff again, help i closed my laptop lid/hibernate doesnt work properly
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> or touchpad acpi issues
[08:27] <Ben64> doctor it hurts when i do this
[08:27] <Ben64> ...don't do that
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> i think those problems are mostly asked in main
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: yeah im not actually a fan of hibernating myself
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> with the speed of ssd's, why not just halt
[08:28] <Ben64> people loooove keeping apps open forever
[08:28] <Ben64> and it's simply impossible to re-open them
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> i understand, but try to convince john doe, that his newly bought hardware doesnt function like he wishes lol
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> must be ubuntu's fault then..
[08:30] <Ben64> because it always works flawlessly on windows? :P
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:31] <Ben64> the amount of computer problems i've had have drastically decreased since switching to linux
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> i once saw a guy with his laptop bound to his bike in hibernate, with adapter pushing on his screen lid with elastic, breaking his screen almost
[08:31] <Ben64> ew
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> quick ride home to work further with his pc lol
[08:32] <Ben64> i know laptops are supposed to be better with shock, but biking sounds awful
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> laptopcases should be built with sideway adapter, far from the laptop
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> most ppl pushing it against the screen
[08:36]  * lordievader likes the suspend function
[08:37] <lordievader> Waiting for the hibernate process to finish is a pita -.-
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> big list of kernel boot options
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-17-04-zesty-zapus-final-beta-lands-late-tomorrow-freeze-now-in-effect-514147.shtml
[08:58] <lordievader> Luckily the kernel has good defaults :)
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:03] <ducasse> testing out liquorix again, can't really say there's that much of a difference tbh.
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/03/firefox-gets-complaint-for-labeling-unencrypted-login-page-insecure/
[09:08] <ducasse> hilarious :)
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:09] <ducasse> "we haven't been hacked in 15 years" two minutes later - *boom* :)
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> haha
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> always dangerous to make security statements
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> look at security model of telegram
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> its encrypted blabla..
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> the most secure data, is burried in your garden :p
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> https://telegram.org/crypto_contest
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> hmmmm someone needs 200.000$ ?
[09:14] <lordievader> I get that warning on some personal pages... which I have to access via ipsec, so I don't mind :P
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> weird the cia didnt claim it lol
[09:18] <ducasse> i wonder if the guy who filed that bug report will be fired? he's probably in the marketing department...
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> hi padraic
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/durov/status/839184766998044672
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: something for you? https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/841644356289327104/photo/1
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> wondering what kind of cool devices will birth on ubuntu core boards
[09:50] <ducasse> i try to avoid all these random arm devices, there are far too many of them. i prefer the rpi and other well-known ones that have a bigger community around them and lots of support. interesting stuff, though, i guess this is for iot?
[10:26] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[13:45] <nicomachus> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/netflix-finally-adds-support-firefox-linux
[13:47] <OerHeks> good news indeed, no more hacks needed
[13:49] <BluesKaj> nicomachus, google-chrome ran netflix in linux for a while now
[13:54] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: I know, but I hate chrome and have been wanting to get rid of it for awhile. Now I can!
[14:00] <BluesKaj> nicomachus, seems there are several netflix extensions for FF, but no clear plugin ...I'm confused
[14:01] <nicomachus> I tried it on FF, but firefox encountered a bug
[14:01] <nicomachus> see: https://i.imgur.com/6b6NOHL.gifv
[14:04] <BluesKaj> is that html5 ?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> I'm getting used to chrome, but I understand how you feel. It's so proprietary and clunky
[14:45] <brunch875> I used to like chrome because it syncs with google
[14:45] <brunch875> Now I don't like chrome because it syncs with google
[14:47] <nicomachus> heh
[16:13] <daftykins> don't forget that you choose what features to use... but yeah i don't understand why people treat chrome as some kind of jesus browser
[16:13] <daftykins> it's not as far ahead as perhaps it might've temporarily been on release way back
[16:17] <BluesKaj> daftykins:  well the latest FF 50.0.1 is awful, slow and clunky and unresponsive
[16:17] <brunch875> BluesKaj: mine works immediatly
[16:17] <brunch875> perhaps it's the SSD doing its magic
[16:18] <BluesKaj> mine is terrible, but I'm on 17.04
[16:18] <daftykins> latest? 52.0 here
[16:18] <brunch875> BluesKaj: not an excuse, me too!
[16:18] <BluesKaj> brunch875:  i'm uing a ssd as well
[16:18] <daftykins> 52.0.1 no less - also if you've been using it through upgrades and what not forever, clean profiles are always good
[16:18] <daftykins> as is ublock origin :>
[16:19] <brunch875> BluesKaj: also, remember how I couldn't get the liveUSB to work yesterday on UEFI? Turns out the USB itself was faulty. Fixed the issue by using an external drive instead :s
[16:19] <daftykins> it's rare but i've definitely heard of drives being funky, sometimes they can be returned to usefulness with a good zero fill
[16:19] <BluesKaj> daftykins:  think 17.04 doesn't have the latest FF for some reason
[16:20] <daftykins> can also be quirks when in USB 2.0 vs. 3.0 ports
[16:20] <nacc> !info firefox zesty
[16:20] <brunch875> daftykins: it was definitely a 2.0 / 3.0 issue
[16:21] <nacc> that is strange
[16:21] <nacc> ah it's stuck in proposed
[16:21] <brunch875> !info firefox trusty
[16:21] <daftykins> pretty Canonical standard ;)
[16:21] <brunch875> what the...
[16:21] <brunch875> I installed zesty to get the bleeding edge
[16:21] <nacc> failed to build on armhf and s390x
[16:21] <brunch875> this is surprising
[16:21] <daftykins> it's not april yet so it's not like it really matters :>
[16:22] <nacc> brunch875: not especially, not released yet
[16:22] <tsimonq2> Oh shoot
[16:22] <tsimonq2> I need to go mark a regression with that
[16:22] <daftykins> 52 is meant to be the edition that finally bans NPAPI plugins other than flash player
[16:22] <tsimonq2> It needs to depend on pulseaudio or it breaks in Lubuntu
[16:22] <nacc> tsimonq2: fun :)
[16:22] <nacc> tsimonq2: yeah, that's the alsa debacle?
[16:22]  * brunch875 awaits the death of flash
[16:22] <tsimonq2> nacc: And only Lubuntu 16.04 LTS
[16:22] <tsimonq2> >__________<
[16:22] <nacc> tsimonq2: yeah ... :/
[16:23] <tsimonq2> nacc: I don't know about alsa, that decision was made before I was a Lubuntu person
[16:25] <daftykins> only thing i still use flash for is baseball from mlb.com :)
[16:26] <nacc> oh gawd
[16:26] <nacc> firefox is at different versions on xenial and yakkety depending on arch too
[16:26] <nacc> becasue it failed to build on some architectures
[16:26] <tsimonq2> nacc: It didn't help that OMG! Ubuntu! picked up on it before the Lubuntu team did, and they reported a headline which seemed to me like, "Lubuntu broke Firefox yet again"
[16:26] <daftykins> any indication what the failure is? :P
[16:27] <daftykins> tsimonq2: online 'journalism' being sensational!? never :)
[16:27] <nacc> hrm, no logs
[16:27] <tsimonq2> That really pissed me off, especially because Joey and I are not on good terms >__<
[16:27] <tsimonq2> I was like "noooooooo, no more witchhunting >___<"
[16:28] <nacc> daftykins: ah i see, it's a ppa copy from the mozilla security team ppa, so i can't see the logs on lp directly
[17:21] <BluesKaj> not using FF 52 on kde/plasma. it requires pulseaudio ...no thanks :/
[17:23] <daftykins> that requirement doesn't make much sense
[17:25] <OerHeks> It was discussed over a year ago.. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1247056
[17:25] <nicomachus> https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/03/17/1644211/firefox-goes-pulseaudio-only-leaves-alsa-users-with-no-sound
[17:26] <nicomachus> better source: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/firefox-52-no-sound-pulseaudio-alsa-linux
[17:26] <daftykins> uuuh omgubuntu better than slashdot? that's bold
[17:26] <nicomachus> "Make Pulse Audio a hard dependency on Linux so that we reduce the problems and maintenance associated with maintaining multiple audio backends
[17:26] <nicomachus> "
[17:26] <nicomachus> Responding to the criticism Mozilla engineer, Anthony Jones, says: “making trade offs is a necessary part of making a good product”. When asked to restore ALSA support in the the rep replies: “[that] isn’t going to happen. Sorry.”
[17:27] <nicomachus> daftykins: well the slashdot post was just an excerpt from the omgubuntu article.
[17:27] <nicomachus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:27] <OerHeks> not the kernel alsa but a buggy system design,
[17:29] <daftykins> ah right
[17:29] <daftykins> i had a feeling that might've been the case after i hit enter XD
[17:29] <OerHeks> at least Linux documents all functions .. http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-doubleagent-zero-day-hijacks-microsoft-tool-to-turn-antivirus-into-malware/
[17:30] <daftykins> that one isn't even that big a deal
[17:33] <BluesKaj> alsa hasn;t had much development since 2008  when PA wasforced down our throats. Thank God for Intel audio snd-hda drivers. They are written for alsa first so they work without PA
[17:35] <BluesKaj> anyway, stuff to do for a few mins...bbl
[20:11] <Bashing-om> Time for a nap !
[23:09] <Bashing-om> Back: all better now :)
[23:29] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: I know, right? I went for a nap about the same time you did, really helps when you're sick.
[23:31] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Naps are good things ! ( how else could we do these 2AM sessions ?)
[23:32] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: ikr
[23:33] <Bashing-om> Or in your case - pusing out the next release ! peace and quiet required .
[23:33] <Bashing-om> pushing*
[23:42] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: Sure, absolutely. :)
[23:43] <tsimonq2> nicomachus: Joey changed the title, it originally read, "Lubuntu users are left with no sound after upgrading Firefox"
[23:43] <tsimonq2> nicomachus: And I was like, "yyyeeeaaahhh, nope, no more witchhunting... >__<"
[23:44] <Bashing-om> I never knew a champion yet that did not 'nap' to perform ; :D
[23:46] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: Last release cycle, if you remember, I did a milestone release with Set Hallstrom of Ubuntu Studio (really great guy, I enjoyed working with him) and when we published the release announcement, I was running off of 24 hours with no sleep. When we were done I crashed.
[23:46] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: So it's doable but it's hell. :P
[23:48] <Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Yeah , I do seem to recall that situation . We do what we must . I once ran 40 hours non stop . there toward the end I was mostly useless and brain dead :)
[23:49] <tsimonq2> Bashing-om: I believe after 48 hours of no sleep you are legally declared mentally insane. :P
[23:49] <Bashing-om> LOL - I can believe that .
[23:59] <acheron-a> hello Bashing-om
[23:59] <acheron-a> so back to question last night ...
[23:59] <acheron-a> is unity interface a gnome fork?