[17:59] <jcastro> popey: pleia2 or jose: I am listed as owner for ubuntu-etherpad
[17:59] <jcastro> I'd like to hand it over to someone mildly more responsible than I've been
[18:00] <jose> I'd vote for popey if he's willing
[18:00] <jose> I thought he was handling it
[18:00] <popey> o/
[18:00] <popey> sure thing
[18:01] <wxl> jose: since you're here, you appear to have some sort of reputation as a wizard when it comes to getting flights. care to share your secrets?
[18:01] <jose> matrix.itasoftware.com
[18:02] <wxl> huh
[18:02] <jose> I was actually gonna take a nap since I didn't get any sleep last night, maybe ping me in an hour with the exact details and I can take a look
[18:03] <pleia2> matrix <3 <3 when you finally do the search, use the time bars view
[18:06] <wxl> yeah i just did that
[18:06] <wxl> it didn't result in too much of a difference, but that's useful
[18:06] <wxl> tsimonq2: find your flight a la http://matrix.itasoftware.com/
[18:10] <acheronuk> that gives me very expensive results to get to akademy :/
[18:10] <wxl> i saw only a marginal difference going to lfnw
[18:10] <wxl> but still, it's easier than e.g. kayak
[18:13] <pleia2> yeah, you can't book through that site but you find all the listings and then go to the airline itself and see if it's bookable
[18:14] <tsimonq2> wxl: Gracias
[18:14] <wxl> tsimonq2: de nada.
[18:14] <tsimonq2> jose: Gracias to you too ;)
[18:16] <acheronuk> matrix gave me a lowest of £1,454 & kayak is £312
[18:16] <acheronuk> oh well. what is cheapest way on the day. :)
[18:17] <wxl> that seems oddly inconsistent
[18:19] <acheronuk> if or when I book it, I'll just go through the sites listed here: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-flights#compare
[18:20] <pleia2> yeah, kayak is a discount booking service, so it has additional deals and things, matrix pulls data from airlines
[18:21] <pleia2> I'm very picky about fare classes and sometimes I need to change flights, so I always book directly with the airlines
[18:24] <tsimonq2> Wow, this is weeeeeird
[18:24] <tsimonq2> It keeps wanting to give me 2 day layovers :P
[18:24] <wxl> ouuuch
[18:27] <tsimonq2> Ahhhh yess yay
[18:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'd have to fly Milwaukee to Seattle to get anything practical...
[18:27] <wxl> tsimonq2: is that the nearest airport?
[18:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: It's the nearest airport that won't give me insane layovers
[18:28] <wxl> will you be able to get transportation there?
[18:28] <tsimonq2> Well I don't know
[18:29] <tsimonq2> Will taxi cabs let me, given that I'm under 18?
[18:29] <wxl> so it goes mil -> sea -> bli?
[18:29] <wxl> well i'm sure if your mom sticks you in there, you'll be fine
[18:30] <wxl> there's also potential bus and stuff
[18:30] <pleia2> I've never heard of any laws about it (I rode in cabs as a minor)
[18:31] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Well I'm 15 but people keep telling me I look $age+1 sooo idk :)
[18:31] <pleia2> you'll be fine as long as you can pay ;)
[18:31] <pleia2> they may question a 7 year old walking up to a cab alone, but teenagers whatever
[18:33] <tsimonq2> Do airports check age?
[18:33] <wxl> absolutely
[18:34] <pleia2> for what exactly?
[18:34] <pleia2> the ticket agent needs ID when you check a bag, and so does TSA, so they'll see it
[18:35] <tsimonq2> ...so I need a legal form of identification?
[18:35] <pleia2> pretty sure all US airlines allow 15 and up to travel unacommpanied though
[18:35] <pleia2> yes, a state ID card is fine
[18:35] <tsimonq2> That's going to be a problem... :|
[18:35] <pleia2> (if you don't have a drivers license)
[18:35] <wxl> the airlines do have policies regarding minors
[18:35] <wxl> you can get an id card quick and easy
[18:35] <tsimonq2> Oh?
[18:35] <wxl> and you do have time for a passport
[18:36] <pleia2> most states do ID cards at the DMV, it's a good thing to have anyway
[18:36] <wxl> yup
[18:36] <wxl> http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/dmv/license-drvs/how-to-apply/id-card.aspx
[18:38] <wxl> for proof of id, you can use social security card, w2, paystub (if it includes ss number), a parent or guardian that can show their id/license
[18:38] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[18:38] <wxl> for proof of residency, you need paycheck within 90 days or bank statement
[18:38] <wxl> also certified school record or transcript
[18:39] <wxl> or parent or guardian
[18:40] <wxl> and for proof of citizen ship, birth certificate
[18:40] <wxl> fairly simple
[18:40] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[18:40] <wxl> you should get on that
[18:41] <wxl> you could also get a passport https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports.html
[18:41] <wxl> you do have time
[18:41] <wxl> however it's not free
[18:43] <tsimonq2> Ok
[18:44] <wxl> to do it, you need both parents, a birth certificate
[18:45] <wxl> but expect it ot be in excess of $100
[18:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: Why not just go for a state ID then?
[18:46] <wxl> well, a passport is useful if you want to travel abroad (*ahem* akademy)
[18:46] <tsimonq2> Also, general question, I know some airlines have policies about the time of day minors can travel but I'm failing to find Delta's related policy. Can anyone help?
[18:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: Mom says no Europe :P
[18:46] <wxl> *currently*
[18:47] <wxl> try a search for "minors travelling alone" or "unaccomanied minors"
[18:47] <tsimonq2> I did
[18:47] <tsimonq2> They have a page
[18:47] <tsimonq2> They just don't have that particular policy
[18:47] <wxl> https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/special-travel-needs/children.html
[18:48] <wxl> tl;dr parent or designated adult must take you to the gate and wait until the flight has left, connecting flights are ok
[18:48] <tsimonq2> But nothing about time of day?
[18:48] <wxl> should be there 2 hours before
[18:49] <wxl> ooh and they give you a barcode XD
[18:49] <acheronuk> I will need a new passport if I go to akademy. +£75 cost I think :(
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Travel is not permitted on Red Eye flights (Red Eye flights are between 9pm-5am).  Exceptions below apply only if a qualifying connection flight is not available from the airport.
[18:49] <tsimonq2> International flights
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Domestic short haul flights ( 2 hours or less, non stop)
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Flights to/from Alaska and Hawaii
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Markets with only one connection and it is the last flight of the day
[18:49] <tsimonq2> wxl: GAH ^
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Wait a minute
[18:49] <tsimonq2> I might want to call them
[18:49] <wxl> yeah that might work
[18:50] <tsimonq2> This flight is less than 2 hours but starts at 8:30 XD
[18:50] <pleia2> yeah, it sounds like for 15-17 none of this is actually required
[18:50] <wxl> with delta for a 15+ year old the parent can decline the unaccompanied minor program
[18:50] <pleia2> ^ yes, that
[18:50] <wxl> i.e. you don't HAVE to be escorted and all that crap
[18:50] <tsimonq2> And Alaska Air as well
[18:50] <wxl> your mom may want it tho
[18:50] <tsimonq2> pleia2: Yeah I understand THAT
[18:50] <tsimonq2> wxl: No way :P
[18:50] <pleia2> you should call them so you don't worry, but I think you're fine ;)
[18:50] <wxl> see link above
[18:50] <wxl> it's all there
[18:58] <tsimonq2> wxl, pleia2, jose: How's this itinerary look to you? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0exhmhCedI-anhjUnJoMGdMb2M
[18:58] <tsimonq2> I can have someone drive me to Milwaukee then I can take a cab from Seattle
[18:59] <wxl> tsimonq2: bad. you need to go to bellingham, not seattle
[18:59] <wxl> that's a freaking 3 hour drive
[19:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll plug it in, but usually that gives me insane layover times
[19:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yeah there's no way
[19:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Way too long of layoversa
[19:01] <tsimonq2> *layovers
[19:04] <wxl> wow that sucks
[19:04] <wxl> oh well
[19:06] <wxl> maybe you should google a taxi company and make sure you got everything all set
[19:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: Uh no, it's an hour and a half?
[19:09] <wxl> oh oops
[19:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: That's what Google says :P
[19:09] <wxl> i was looking at the bus XD
[19:33] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: I'm just going to deal with the layovers
[19:33] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: XD
[19:34] <ahoneybun> you just don't have waiting skills I have
[19:34] <tsimonq2> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[19:35] <ahoneybun> did you get an email from Claire?
[19:35] <tsimonq2> Not yet
[19:36] <ahoneybun> I've taken off Friday and Monday
[19:38] <ahoneybun> now 22 hours is too much lol
[19:38] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: 22h 15m
[19:38] <tsimonq2> O__________O
[19:38] <ahoneybun> yeaaa
[22:59] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ping
[23:02] <ahoneybun> popey: heyo
[23:06] <popey> hello ahoneybun
[23:06] <ahoneybun> popey: I'm wondering if someone from the UCC could comment on this post: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/donwload-ubuntu-17-04-beta-2-flavors
[23:07] <ahoneybun> if any of the Kubuntu folks do, the post will not be approved since Joey seems to have an issue with us for some reason
[23:08] <ahoneybun> also having a netural person might help fix the issues we're having
[23:08] <popey> ahoneybun: see pm
[23:14] <popey> Ok, read the article. I dont see the problem
[23:15] <popey> "news site posts article and has an opinion" is not generally an objectionable thing
[23:15] <ahoneybun> mm
[23:16] <popey> It's not like he says "Kubuntu releases a beta and it's terrible!"
[23:16] <ahoneybun> Sadly I might have to use my blog to voice my different opinion on it
[23:16] <popey> knock yourself out
[23:16] <popey> you (and he) are entitled to voice your opinions.
[23:16] <pleia2> (we don't like echo chambers anyway)
[23:16] <ahoneybun> thanks for looking at it anyway popey <3
[23:17] <popey> no worries dude, anytime
[23:18] <tsimonq2> popey: No, but he's basically implying that Kubuntu is useless now.
[23:18] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: I look forward to reading your blog post :)
[23:18] <popey> he is entitled to argue that
[23:19] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: I think the talk about the post it over tho
[23:19] <popey> opinions are like .. uhm.. belly buttons .. yes, that's safe... everyone has one.
[23:19] <tsimonq2> Hahaha
[23:19] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: "might"
[23:20] <tsimonq2> popey: So we can say that he's wrong? :)
[23:20] <popey> you can voice your opinion, sure